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"I think everyone has a right to take a care of joint living communal spaces. He tried to barge in when she opened the door into the secure residential space. She did not know if he was ment to have access or not. Surely the decent thing to do is to challenge something that doesn't seem right? For the security of your own self and that of all the residents in the block. I don't see what his problems was? Surely he should understand the need to watch each other's backs in a communal residents only space. All he had to simply do is show that he had rightfull access too as a resident? Then all would be good with both of them. " She's also married, although seperated from, a black guy. So she's hardly a klan member. However, I don't like the way she spoke to him and can see why it rubbed him the wrong way. I think if she'd spoken to him in the direct and calm way that he spoke to her, then it probably wouldn't have escalated. | |||
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"I think they both acted like a pair of cunts. End of the day he had no right to film her there at all, private property. She should sue him for loss of earnings." Outside he has every right to film her. She chose to follow him to his own apartment inside. I don't see what you think he did wrong, he was calm and straight forward in his language. He just didn't roll over for her. | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply "I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name. | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name. "She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting. Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything. She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it. If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed. Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it. | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name.
She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting.
"She's probably unaware of how entitled she sounds " Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything. She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it. " That's a fair point " If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed. Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it." | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name.
She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting.
Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything.
She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it.
If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed.
Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it."Good point. Tailgating someone through a door seems dodgy. | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name.
She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting.
Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything.
She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it.
If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed.
Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it.
Good point. Tailgating someone through a door seems dodgy. "It's not entirely one sided but in terms of how they each handled it. He played a blinder and she got played for a fool. | |||
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"I’d have acted with a lot less restraint if someone had tried to stop me getting into my own house. " It's not clear whether he had a fob or had forgotten it or what. But everything about her choice of words was wrong and physically blocking him. She never tried to diffuse the situation on anything but her own terms. | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name.
She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting.
Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything.
She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it.
If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed.
Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it.
Good point. Tailgating someone through a door seems dodgy.
It's not entirely one sided but in terms of how they each handled it. He played a blinder and she got played for a fool. "I wouldn't exactly say he played a "blinder" - see my earlier post for how he could have done so | |||
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"Usual storm in a teacup bought about by the availability of social media and an ever growing litigious minded society - neither one of them is right, I don't actually think she spoke disrespectfully to him, merely challenged him as to his right of entry, and things escalated from there. We don't of course know what was said prior to the video that prompted him to start filming the incident, but either way all it would have taken was for him to confirm that he had right of entry by showing his key fob or provide other proof when asked and her to accept that - plain and simple common sense that most right thinking people would apply
I don't know how you can listen to that and say she wasn't disrespectful. At no point did she just calmly explain to him what the building policy was and why she was asking. Everything was a demand or about her "I'm uncomfortable". If she was paying any attention to what he was saying then she would have seen the clues, like the fact that he's knows the property managers name.
She may not have used the right words but some people when they feel intimidated (rightly or wrongly) don't always, but I also stand by what I said that I don't think she was deliberately and maliciously disrespectful initially either. We also don't know what had been said by either of them immediately prior to filming starting.
Anyone can find out a building managers name too so that doesn't prove anything.
She shouldn't have followed him to his apartment, but equally he shouldn't have forced his way in. All he needed to have done is say at the outset "Fine, I understand" stood back, let her close the door then re-open it with his own fob and smile smugly and that would have been an end to it.
If he didn't have his access fob then she had every right to challenge him and there are probably processes in place for that eventuality that he should have followed.
Like I said neither of them is in the right and it appears to be somewhat of a storm in a teacup whichever way you look at it.
Good point. Tailgating someone through a door seems dodgy.
It's not entirely one sided but in terms of how they each handled it. He played a blinder and she got played for a fool.
I wouldn't exactly say he played a "blinder" - see my earlier post for how he could have done so "She made it a win-lose scenario (I.e. show me your fob or I'm going to block you). He's come out of this unscathed whilst she's been fired from her job. That's why I made that comment. I do agree with your earlier comment but i don't know whether he had a fob / was locked out or what the situation was there. | |||
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"I used to live in a block of flats which had a key fob entry. My (now) ex boyfriend let someone tailgate him. The girl in the flat next door was sexually assaulted by the tailgater. I've not seen the video, but from what I can tell she's in the right by stopping him from coming in after her." She certainly isn't in the wrong to challenge him. It's the way she went about it that I have an issue with. | |||
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