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Why does everbody have a dog on people who are into photography?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just been reading thread from another poor, unfortunate photographer who is being roasted - not in a good way - for talking about an interest in taking pictures. Don't understand why everybody feels the need to be sooo negative in their comments. If its not something you're interested in, then just move on - no need to make catty and unhelpful comments. Photography is listed as a profile interest, so it's a legitimate subject for discussion. I like swinging....I like photography - doesn't make be some interloper who shouldn't be here. Phew.....rant over

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Dunno

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" it's a legitimate subject for discussion. "

that's exactly what's happening isn't it? or is a discussion where everybody agrees with the OP?

No?..Thought not!

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I find it amazing that the people pertaining to be photographers have such dreadful pics on their own profile.

Perhaps they mean that they have a camera.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I f you are selling yourself as a photographer or semi-pro (is this is the thread you are commenting on?) then choosing words carefully is paramount. If you are offering your services, show your work and what you are about in a better light.

Just because you have the gear it doesn't make you a good craftsman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A question.. Let's say we have a photographer round with his 6k worth of gear and he takes some pics. They may be on film,they may be on a memory card.

Who owns the photos? have we by agreeing to be photographed gave up any rights to the pics? If so can the photographer do whatever he wishes with the images?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A question.. Let's say we have a photographer round with his 6k worth of gear and he takes some pics. They may be on film,they may be on a memory card.

Who owns the photos? have we by agreeing to be photographed gave up any rights to the pics? If so can the photographer do whatever he wishes with the images?"

Thats the photographers and customers choice and discretion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer "

Amateur or professional?

I like the creations of Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington, but that doesn't mean I can build a hot rod or kick ass muscle car!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As the person taking the pictures, the photographer owns the copyright. However, they can't do whatever they want with them - it normally requires a model release/property release signed by the participants for any kind of commercial use. The internet is full of cowboys - another reason you need genuine, trustworthy people who understand the rules, both of swinging and photography

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Surely people can show their best work in private ( it would have to be in private if they are pictures of others) if people want to get in touch with the Photographer?

Again, they could also discuss who gets the pics and who has copies.

Unless it is you yourselves going to be posing for the pics, I don't see why people get wound up over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm always very sceptical about it to be honest. I haven't seen the other thread that people are referring to.

I like photography myself but I would never class myself as a photographer because I have not gained a qualification yet.

I regularly get mail asking me to take photographs for people. The truth is tho I'm not really into sexual photography. I also believe that for this kind of site people should be portraying themselves in their own unique way and not want to be copying what I do, after all we are all individual.

I also work full time so I do not want to be giving up any free time to take free pics for anyone else.

It seems that lots of men seem to want to photograph naked women and its my belief that they are only offering in order to have sex, pics in exchange for sex, and its wrong, just be honest and admit you want sex.

If I wanted professional naked pictures of myself I'd take them myself or I'd pay for a photographer in a studio where I would be sure of it being just a shoot and nothing else and I'd have a measure of safety in relation to copies etc.

There are lots of amateur courses at college on offer, I'm on one and ill get the chance to do all kinds of photography, glamour, portrait etc. Don't try and dress up the hope for sex in providing a free service

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Owning a camera and pressing the shutter is WAAAAY more accessible than having the ability to build a car!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...name your favourite photographer "

Mick Rock..Annie Liebowitz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Owning a camera and pressing the shutter is WAAAAY more accessible than having the ability to build a car!"

In all honesty, I can work on cars/bikes in the fact I can partly build, do bodywork and can custom paint.

I can also take photographs fairly well.

I do it because I enjoy it, but does this make me semi-pro?

If you don't want opinions, don't ask the questions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Again, why the assumption that photographers are just a seedy bunch of guys whose only way to see naked women and have sex with them is under the pretence of taking photos? I'm happy to admit to a voyeuristic streak, but I love sex too - its a personal thing between photographer and subject how things develop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just been reading thread from another poor, unfortunate photographer who is being roasted - not in a good way - for talking about an interest in taking pictures. Don't understand why everybody feels the need to be sooo negative in their comments. If its not something you're interested in, then just move on - no need to make catty and unhelpful comments. Photography is listed as a profile interest, so it's a legitimate subject for discussion. I like swinging....I like photography - doesn't make be some interloper who shouldn't be here. Phew.....rant over"

ive never seen anyone be rude to people into taking pics

i dont like having my pics taken on a meet but that does not mean i wouldnt meet someone who was into taking pics so long as they respect they arnt taking mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Again, why the assumption that photographers are just a seedy bunch of guys whose only way to see naked women and have sex with them is under the pretence of taking photos? "

to be fair no one has said that

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I like your pix and I'm sure your engineering skills are great too - I'm just preaching the gospel of tolerance and understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally love seeing photo's people have put some imagination into. However, some amateurs are very good with posture, lighting etc and some aren't.

However, shouldn't put people of snapping a moment they want to remember, even if it is a little fuzzy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like your pix and I'm sure your engineering skills are great too - I'm just preaching the gospel of tolerance and understanding."

Then lead by example!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Scroll up few posts to the one that ends

"Don't try and dress up the hope for sex in providing a free service"

Do other people trying to find people who share an interest with get such a rough ride. I'm just going to put on my grubby mac and work on my comb-over

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Of course ....capturing a spontaneous moment of unbrildled lust, no matter if it's a bit out of focus, makes for erotic shots

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"I f you are selling yourself as a photographer or semi-pro (is this is the thread you are commenting on?) then choosing words carefully is paramount. If you are offering your services, show your work and what you are about in a better light.

Just because you have the gear it doesn't make you a good craftsman.

"

Yup...not sure if it is the thread i commented on...but if so no one was down on photography at all.Many shared how much they enjoy it.

But there is a big difference between being willing to take photos and having any skill at it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I think a lot of scepticism is born from so many of the “hey I am a photographer, would anyone like some professional photos taking” types having utterly shite quality photos on their profile. I have seen everything from poor framing to the standard out of focus phone-cam flash in the bathroom mirror.

If taking photos is your thing… great.

If taking photos of other people gets you off… great.

What appears to be over-promising under the guise of “I’m doing you a favour”…. expect the piss to be forthrightly ripped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

excellent avatar the original polo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally love seeing photo's people have put some imagination into. However, some amateurs are very good with posture, lighting etc and some aren't.

However, shouldn't put people of snapping a moment they want to remember, even if it is a little fuzzy.

"

Exactly! One mans munter is another mans model

There are many ways to view photography and the images captured. The photographs can draw you in or just get a fleeting glance, it just depends who is viewing them.

To profess that all the images are perfect and professional from a photographer will draw attention from people to scrutinise and judge.

Take all observations and critisism and let it guide you in the right direction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scroll up few posts to the one that ends

"Don't try and dress up the hope for sex in providing a free service"

Do other people trying to find people who share an interest with get such a rough ride. I'm just going to put on my grubby mac and work on my comb-over "

As it was me who typed the above comments I will again respond.

If you want to find people who share the same interest, ie photography, would you not be best placed to joining a photography site, there are thousands of them. You can talk about taking pictures for hours on end, but the likelihood may be that you won't get to fuck who you chat with.

You say in your other post that it would be a bonus to join in and that's the crux of it I feel. You may be using photography as a lure for couples/single women with the hope that when naked they will fuck you. Or surprise surprise in the blow job shot your cock is the only one available.

I may be wrong of course, you really might only be taking pictures to help others', but I'm sceptical of this kind of thing. Like I said, if I wanted naked shots I'd go to a professional and pay for them.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I'm a pro photographer, I like creating images, it doesn't turn me on in the slightest, unless it's with Mrs. JFL or a swinging environment.

My comments on the other forum are purely based on that one particular photographer and the blatent rubbish he's spouting. Other enthusiastic amateurs on here will testify to the fact I'm not at all snobby about my 'art' and I don't think you need a big d-SLR to get a decent image.

In answer to the other two questions, the photographer owns the copyright, always...model release forms in the UK have no legal bearing, the USA is a different matter.

And Robert Mapplethorpe

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I'd love the opportunity to get some professionally done pics, either with or without naughty fun. However, until then, I'm happy with my pics. Point n shoot cameras aren't that bad these days.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


" Like I said, if I wanted naked shots I'd go to a professional and pay for them.

"

I don't work for no payment...and blow jobs/fucks don't count as payment !

You busy worrying about the lighting and the end result to get aroused anyway !

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Of course ....capturing a spontaneous moment of unbrildled lust, no matter if it's a bit out of focus, makes for erotic shots"

If you click on reply and quote we can all see who you are answering

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Photographing people, especially non-models, is less to do with technical ability or equipment and more to do with personal skills. Its about making people feel relaxed, confident, sexy and almost forgetting you are there. I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Photographing people, especially non-models, is less to do with technical ability or equipment and more to do with personal skills. Its about making people feel relaxed, confident, sexy and almost forgetting you are there. I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion"

It really depends on what people want the photos for. If it is just to use on their profile for men to drool over, well, lets face it.... you could draw a fanny with an Etch-a-Sketch and it would get fab'd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion"

so that would be just us then with a tripod and remote

well thats cleared that up

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I agree, but for people who have a degree of creativity and imagination, I believe there's a real challenge in creating something that is both horny, visual and erotic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Photographing people, especially non-models, is less to do with technical ability or equipment and more to do with personal skills. Its about making people feel relaxed, confident, sexy and almost forgetting you are there. I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion

It really depends on what people want the photos for. If it is just to use on their profile for men to drool over, well, lets face it.... you could draw a fanny with an Etch-a-Sketch and it would get fab'd. "

As high tech as Etch-a-Sketch?!! Crayola drawing by a chimp would arouse some in here!

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By *adgeeMan
over a year ago

Sw Scotland


"Photographing people, especially non-models, is less to do with technical ability or equipment and more to do with personal skills. Its about making people feel relaxed, confident, sexy and almost forgetting you are there. I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion

It really depends on what people want the photos for. If it is just to use on their profile for men to drool over, well, lets face it.... you could draw a fanny with an Etch-a-Sketch and it would get fab'd.

As high tech as Etch-a-Sketch?!! Crayola drawing by a chimp would arouse some in here! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Photographing people, especially non-models, is less to do with technical ability or equipment and more to do with personal skills. Its about making people feel relaxed, confident, sexy and almost forgetting you are there. I think you need somebody sympathetic to you as a person to get the best from an intimate and vulnerable situtaion

It really depends on what people want the photos for. If it is just to use on their profile for men to drool over, well, lets face it.... you could draw a fanny with an Etch-a-Sketch and it would get fab'd.

As high tech as Etch-a-Sketch?!! Crayola drawing by a chimp would arouse some in here! "

new keyboard please i have just ruined mine with tea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opinion (and i am a long way off bieng a good photographer)

its all about making the girls relaxed. I am stupid so it helps make girls at ease.

Theres a old saying that theres a good photo in all of us, i think this is true.

Lighting etc comes later and buy a photoshop program, great to mess about with images/lighting etc.

There has been better people/photographers than me comment on this thread all of them good views.

All i would say is have a go yourself the subject of the photo will trust you more and be at ease with someone they know.

And listen to the subject of the photos comments and ideas often great photos or in my case passable photos are the result.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

One of my favourite quotes on the subject would be

"Photography is the easiest art, which perhaps makes it the hardest"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of my favourite quotes on the subject would be

"Photography is the easiest art, which perhaps makes it the hardest""

I always thought good photos were like good jokes. If you have to explain it, it just isn’t that good.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"One of my favourite quotes on the subject would be

"Photography is the easiest art, which perhaps makes it the hardest"

I always thought good photos were like good jokes. If you have to explain it, it just isn’t that good.

"

Could you please become a judge in some of the competitions I enter then ¡

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I also like

"I drifted into photography like one drifts into prostitution. First I did it to please myself, then I did it to please my friends, and eventually I did it for the money"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

every post has it's obligatory moaner.I love photography too but do not like it at meets, Tiger neither. For many reasons, not least it spoils the moments and the flow for us as we do not want to be in them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I know it's not for everybody...I think you should only do it if it adds something to the experience. Nothing more excruciatingly awkward and embarrassing otherwise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer "

Henri Cartier-Bresson

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fav Photographer ....canondiablo by far !!!

He has done "work" for us in the past and yes we were slightly dubious as to what was going to happen and how it was going to go.... BUT (and its a great big but) he lived up to everything he claimed to be !! a true craftsman with his tools .... and yes we mean camera!! Not once did he push for anything else

He kept to his word about sending us the pics via email and even printed some out for us too as well as putting them all to disc for us for "safe Keeping"

So in our experience give it a shot with this man as he didn't ask for anything in return not even petrol money just a brew chat and the picture session.

No we are of our soap box .. dont get on it often but when we see someone we know to be a good guy getting shit we do tend to stick up for them......

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich


"Surely people can show their best work in private ( it would have to be in private if they are pictures of others) if people want to get in touch with the Photographer?

Again, they could also discuss who gets the pics and who has copies.

Unless it is you yourselves going to be posing for the pics, I don't see why people get wound up over it "
Spot on.

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

To attempt to answer the question, there are a couple of options:

1) If you can't take part - take photographs

2) Some people just like to photograph people

Both are fun in their own way. It all depends what the agreement between both parties is...

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer "

Henri Cartier Bresson

Eve Arnold

Bob Carlos Clarke

Helmut Newton

Here's the problem. Different photographers will have different skill sets and different frames of reference (is that a kind of pun?)

I am not a very good technical photographer. However, I have a strong visual vocabulary. Where Mr Expert Photographer sees a picture that is under exposed or needs a flash I see myself trying to get something of the feel of an Edward Hopper urban painting through the medium of a digital photo. I often fail, but I try. There's one pic that I am proud of, out of 100 I took in an outdoor session, because the model looked at it and liked the feel of it - I'd been trying to get something that hinted at the pre-Rapaelites, and she got it.

However, if you just show your pics and claim to be a photographer, and people don't recognise your frame of reference, then don't be surprised if they disagree with you.

Clutter is a good example. When I take sex pics domestic clutter can be a reminder that sex is integrated with people's everyday lives - far from being an obstacle to creativity the pram in the hall is a reminder that real people have sex. That length of rope discarded at the edge of the shot is not an accident arising from bad composition - it's meant to tell you that this is real sex, not a choreographed work of art divorced from reality.

My view may be different from yours of course.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer

Henri Cartier Bresson

Eve Arnold

Bob Carlos Clarke

Helmut Newton

Here's the problem. Different photographers will have different skill sets and different frames of reference (is that a kind of pun?)

I am not a very good technical photographer. However, I have a strong visual vocabulary. Where Mr Expert Photographer sees a picture that is under exposed or needs a flash I see myself trying to get something of the feel of an Edward Hopper urban painting through the medium of a digital photo. I often fail, but I try. There's one pic that I am proud of, out of 100 I took in an outdoor session, because the model looked at it and liked the feel of it - I'd been trying to get something that hinted at the pre-Rapaelites, and she got it.

However, if you just show your pics and claim to be a photographer, and people don't recognise your frame of reference, then don't be surprised if they disagree with you.

Clutter is a good example. When I take sex pics domestic clutter can be a reminder that sex is integrated with people's everyday lives - far from being an obstacle to creativity the pram in the hall is a reminder that real people have sex. That length of rope discarded at the edge of the shot is not an accident arising from bad composition - it's meant to tell you that this is real sex, not a choreographed work of art divorced from reality.

My view may be different from yours of course.

"

Are you not then in the position of having to explain what you do...and down that road lies unmade beds and flashing lights?

Ok, i am a stuckist

i think if a good photograph works, it works without any need to know what the photographer was referencing. Not that there is anything wrong with being understood, but i don't think it should be necessary.As hegel said,truth is beauty and beauty truth. We recognize beauty without intellectualizing it.

Fave photographer...from the other side of the lens....the man who makes a 40 year old woman with 2 kids look stunning...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Agree completely. Good photography should touch something in you - I'm not so proud that I can't admit that some of my best shots have involved a lot of luck and chance - it's not always about technique or an intellectual process. If you look at a picture and it makes you tingle - job done

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"Agree completely. Good photography should touch something in you - I'm not so proud that I can't admit that some of my best shots have involved a lot of luck and chance - it's not always about technique or an intellectual process. If you look at a picture and it makes you tingle - job done"

Again from the other side,thats what works for me.There is a recent shot where my clit piercing is mirrored by a drop of come reflecting in the light.

Even Sir admitted it was chance...but chance that worked perfectly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we set out for doing new photos we don't really plan anything in particular, just have a bit of fun doing them, be it indoors or out.

You never really know the outcome of the photos but when you get "The Shot" it makes it all worth while.

Experimenting and new ideas and playing with the photos using editing can be a lot of fun.

I find having an open mind and staying open to suggestions is a good key element for good photographs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i do a bit of part time modelling ....always happy to work with photographers amateur or pro as long as we have fun and make some great images with imagination ...favourite photographer is Greg Brown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have always been able to immediately know what I want to see. I can't always achieve it but I visualise exactly what I want to see. I know instantly from looking at a pic if a shot is wrong. If an arm is out of place or a facial expression is wrong.

I used to take 80 photos and only get 2 that I was happy with. Since being taught techniques I know what buttons to press to achieve what I see in my head. I am really proud of my sunset and moonlight pics that are framed in canvas on my wall.

Having a clear idea of what you want to achieve is fine but I would never claim to be a photographer or be any good at it. It really is a skill and I struggle to believe that photographers who have been working for a living taking pics all day, would advertise to do it free without any incentive for themselves. I am a cynical person but I just struggle to believe some men are really that giving to want nothing in return

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"I have always been able to immediately know what I want to see. I can't always achieve it but I visualise exactly what I want to see. I know instantly from looking at a pic if a shot is wrong. If an arm is out of place or a facial expression is wrong.

I used to take 80 photos and only get 2 that I was happy with. Since being taught techniques I know what buttons to press to achieve what I see in my head. I am really proud of my sunset and moonlight pics that are framed in canvas on my wall.

Having a clear idea of what you want to achieve is fine but I would never claim to be a photographer or be any good at it. It really is a skill and I struggle to believe that photographers who have been working for a living taking pics all day, would advertise to do it free without any incentive for themselves. I am a cynical person but I just struggle to believe some men are really that giving to want nothing in return "

As I said earlier, I wouldn't work for nothing and sex doesn't count as payment. I wouldn't charge a lot but I don't do free work and it's still work because the same care and consideration would go into it a it would for any client.

Obviously friends get freebies all the while but that's cos I'm a nice guy

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By *unarMan
over a year ago

alton

I like to take a few pics inbetween the less frantic moments of a swinging meet. I would share the pics with my partner and edit out any distinguishing marks or crop them to suit. For me i think its about trying to create an image or feeling that captures the moment.

I hope to do some outdoor stuff next year as the weather warms up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I know it's hard to believe, but some people are prepared to do it purely for the love of it - no money...no sex...just the experience. I think if people are prepared to put themselves in that trusting position and pose for you, where you can try and capture pictures which frankly, you can't really "practise" for, then that is reward enough. Doesn't make me a bad photographer just because not every minute of my life is bill-able

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over a year ago


"I have always been able to immediately know what I want to see. I can't always achieve it but I visualise exactly what I want to see. I know instantly from looking at a pic if a shot is wrong. If an arm is out of place or a facial expression is wrong.

I used to take 80 photos and only get 2 that I was happy with. Since being taught techniques I know what buttons to press to achieve what I see in my head. I am really proud of my sunset and moonlight pics that are framed in canvas on my wall.

Having a clear idea of what you want to achieve is fine but I would never claim to be a photographer or be any good at it. It really is a skill and I struggle to believe that photographers who have been working for a living taking pics all day, would advertise to do it free without any incentive for themselves. I am a cynical person but I just struggle to believe some men are really that giving to want nothing in return "

i work for a lot of photographers and its mainly TFP or TFCD(time for print or cd of images) whereby no money changes hands its all about the joy of getting some amazing images for the model and the photographer ...i sometimes get paid too !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are a lot that use the "i enjoy taking photos" as a foot in the door but there are some that can take great pics not just of bodies but of landscapes etc ....theres 1 guy in particular i know and its the good ones that get tarred with the same brush

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your reply is wrong.

The photographer owns the rights..UK does not have a release law (America does) so if a photogrpaher takes the pics, then he has the right to sell them or display them without telling the subjects.

Some of us who are professional tend to show subjects our real life stuff, that creates a level of trust but even that is not foolproof.

just to confirm there is no such thing as a lawful model release in this country...there are usage rights which can be used to sue at a later date..probably after your pics were displayed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your reply is wrong.

The photographer owns the rights..UK does not have a release law (America does) so if a photogrpaher takes the pics, then he has the right to sell them or display them without telling the subjects.

Some of us who are professional tend to show subjects our real life stuff, that creates a level of trust but even that is not foolproof.

just to confirm there is no such thing as a lawful model release in this country...there are usage rights which can be used to sue at a later date..probably after your pics were displayed "

sadly this is correct

i take alot of photos for my scrapbooking and i have helped people on here occasionally but when you get shit on i think whats the point

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over a year ago


"I've been involved with photography for years - as an editor, as a photographer. I don't say this in a "aren't I great" kind of way, but it does frustrate me when people whose pictures are underexposed, out of focus or who have a variety of living room clutter in the background tell you "well I've looked at your profile pix and if you're a professional, then you're not a very good one". It's not necessary...just because everyone has a camera these days, its doesn't make them all critics. Let's have a new thread amongst the doubters....name your favourite photographer

Henri Cartier Bresson

Eve Arnold

Bob Carlos Clarke

Helmut Newton

Here's the problem. Different photographers will have different skill sets and different frames of reference (is that a kind of pun?)

I am not a very good technical photographer. However, I have a strong visual vocabulary. Where Mr Expert Photographer sees a picture that is under exposed or needs a flash I see myself trying to get something of the feel of an Edward Hopper urban painting through the medium of a digital photo. I often fail, but I try. There's one pic that I am proud of, out of 100 I took in an outdoor session, because the model looked at it and liked the feel of it - I'd been trying to get something that hinted at the pre-Rapaelites, and she got it.

However, if you just show your pics and claim to be a photographer, and people don't recognise your frame of reference, then don't be surprised if they disagree with you.

Clutter is a good example. When I take sex pics domestic clutter can be a reminder that sex is integrated with people's everyday lives - far from being an obstacle to creativity the pram in the hall is a reminder that real people have sex. That length of rope discarded at the edge of the shot is not an accident arising from bad composition - it's meant to tell you that this is real sex, not a choreographed work of art divorced from reality.

My view may be different from yours of course.

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I have not read the original thread that this thread relates to below is just my general rant from what i have read here.

The one thing about photography is that it is all subjective. What one person likes another may not, it is not about people not, and I use the quoted persons words "recognise your frame of reference" it is what is aesthetically pleasing to the majority of people’s eyes.

I only feel the need to comment on this thread as I am a Pro photographer and have undertaken some adult themed work in the past, and I totally agree with another post that said that you are more concerned with your lights and the end product than about a blowjob, or even being aroused.

As a photographer you have to think of the end result at all times and you trap yourself behind the camera and get on with your job. You are there to take pics, not to join in.

One of the biggest things I was ever taught was that every thinks they are a photographer. But just owning a camera and being able to turn out the occasional good photo doesn’t make you a photographer. being able to conduct yourself in a professional manner at all times and to produce the goods every time with the least amount of fuss makes you a professional.

This is my chosen profession and I feel the need to condemn anyone who uses the profession I am involved with to gain sexual favours in return for images. This creates a bad image for people who have a real interest in photography and those who try to make a living from it. It gives us all a bad reputation!

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