FabSwingers.com forum: Croydon cat killer

By *iverpool Lover OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

So today after a 3 year investigation and over 1000 mutiliated cat deaths the police have decided its case closed and that there was no human involvement.

They said it is most likely due to car accidents and foxes scavenging the bodys.

Now i dont know about anyone else and i know foxes are smart but i dont believe for a second that a fox is able to carry back the cats dead bodys to their owners house and leave then there headless to be found by its owner. Which was the case in many of these incidents.

I suspect its more likely that the police are just too underfunded and had to wipe their hands clean of this investigation and just give a BS conclusion to it.

Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

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By *he Mac LassWoman
over a year ago

Hefty Hideaway

I had a cat that use to bring me back decapitated mice and voles. Maybe they mutated and are exacting their revenge. Maybe it’s clever foxes. Maybe they just wanted to close the investigation. It’s late. I’m feline sleepy.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Maybe there was more than one perpetrator... After all the publicity there may have been some copycats ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?"

There's quite a lot of overlap. Fucked up people tend to target animals first and then humans when they no longer get the buzz off animals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?"

Yeah but usually people that torture and kill animals go on to do things to people.

Most psychotic murderers would have killed a few animals first to start off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

There's quite a lot of overlap. Fucked up people tend to target animals first and then humans when they no longer get the buzz off animals. "

No they wet the bed, light fires and hurt animals.

Cowards who ain’t got the bottle hurt animals.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

There's quite a lot of overlap. Fucked up people tend to target animals first and then humans when they no longer get the buzz off animals. "

Yup. The evidence conflicts I understand.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?"

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Many of these cruel people start on insects until the buzz stops then start on other creatures.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?"

Maybe they started off killing cats...

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it? "

Many apparently.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

It's often said that most serial killers start with pets and escalate so if that's the case should be nipping in the bud and getting this guy.

They also claim that no serial killer operating in Manchester ala the pusher but everyone knows he's out there

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Maybe dog fighters taking the remains of people's pets back to the neighbourhood they were stolen from.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

Many apparently. "

Such as?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

There's quite a lot of overlap. Fucked up people tend to target animals first and then humans when they no longer get the buzz off animals.

Yup. The evidence conflicts I understand.

There's a documentary series about the met police and they had a cat mutilator case. They got a psychology expert in to advise and they said that it was definitely a case of repressed sexual urges (of the violent nature) and they were getting off on doing this to cats. But eventually cats wouldn't get them off and they would act out the full urges. I'm not saying every case is that, but it can escalate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Psychopaths are known to start with animals before "scaling up".

Sick fuckers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

Maybe they started off killing cats..."

Accepted triangle is fires, bed wetting cruelty to animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

Many apparently.

Such as? "

Why don't you read about it and find out for yourself?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

Maybe they started off killing cats...

Accepted triangle is fires, bed wetting cruelty to animals "

But we all wet the bed once in a while

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Or takeaway restaurants?

The evidence eaten by the customers and the carcass returned home.. Bins free of all evidence..in case someone is on their tail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

Maybe they started off killing cats...

Accepted triangle is fires, bed wetting cruelty to animals

But we all wet the bed once in a while

Yeah but not with a can of petrol in one hand and a dead swan in the other

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

Many apparently.

Such as?

Why don't you read about it and find out for yourself?"

I have, and I haven't seen any definite examples that suggest the latest conclusion is wrong. That's why I asked.

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By *iss.RedWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

They carried out autopsies of 10 of the cats I believe at a cost of £7500 and said the cats had died due to a blunt trauma to the head followed by incisions using a sharp instrument. Upon now deciding it's foxes they apparently realised they missed puncture wounds from fox bites and have said the deaths were caused by foxes and being hit by cars. All sounds a little convenient to me

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By *4B SWING3RSCouple
over a year ago

Northants

Just two weeks ago my daughter came home to find a decapitated cat in her front garden just outside Croydon, full fence gated entrance and no access for foxes.... I think they've ever given up or provoking a reaction from whomever is doing it to see if they are likely to take more risks in the hope they can catch him/her.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"So today after a 3 year investigation and over 1000 mutiliated cat deaths the police have decided its case closed and that there was no human involvement.

They said it is most likely due to car accidents and foxes scavenging the bodys.

I suspect its more likely that the police are just too underfunded and had to wipe their hands clean of this investigation and just give a BS conclusion to it.

Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?"

Apparently these super clever foxes will kill with blunt force trauma, remove body parts by making clean cuts with a blade, pose the body in a way which will cause maximum distress and will often be found by children. They will then return the missing body parts several days later and pose them in the exact same place as the body was found. It’s not just cats though. In some cases these genius foxes have even unlocked rabbit cages before killing and dismembering the rabbit as described above, then posed the body in the cage and relocked it before returning some weeks later and putting body parts in the empty cage.

Isn’t it remarkable how clever these foxes have become!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

Maybe they started off killing cats...

Accepted triangle is fires, bed wetting cruelty to animals

But we all wet the bed once in a while

Yeah but not with a can of petrol in one hand and a dead swan in the other

Dr Phil did a talk on what happens to the brains of babies if they don't get enough love in the early years, it's scary. Those babies grow up to be adults who can cut up a cat and not feel an ounce of remorse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe people who kill, r@pe, maim, rob and recklessly endanger each other are more of a police priority up that way?

Maybe they started off killing cats...

Accepted triangle is fires, bed wetting cruelty to animals

But we all wet the bed once in a while

Yeah but not with a can of petrol in one hand and a dead swan in the other

PM me I’ll whisper in your ear something terrible but beautiful

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If they paid 750 per cat and the doctor missed the fox bites then he should be struck off and money back..

Could it be a big cat like a lynx on the loose or an escaped circus animal responsible ?

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I can't see how they can rule out human involvement in many of the reported cases.

A lot of these dead cats and rabbits had specific body parts missing - all the same bit.

In several cases the cat's collar was found some time afterwards. One cat owner had their locked cat flap kicked in and the collar was placed inside their home months after the cat was killed. In another case it was placed in a prominent position in the garden some and would have been spotted straight away.

The decapitated head of a rabbit was found in an owners garden weeks after the body. It was perfectly preserved and showed no signs of decomposition. Do foxes have fridges and/or freezers in order to preserve body parts?

I know foxes are intelligent creatures but they are not capable of this!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Statement from SNARL:

Further to our statement this morning, we would like to add the following:

The cats who have been decapitated have had their heads removed in exactly the same manner and place each time. Where we have recovered both head and body, the same small part is missing from each.

We find it difficult to understand how foxes can replicate this perfectly across a range of victims across a vast geographical area.

What has also not been explained is why we have no cases in Scotland or Wales, Devon, East Anglia, Suffolk, Rutland, etc given that we have rescue and lost and found contacts there who would notify us if bodies were found.

In Sussex, there was a case where a rabbit was killed and his body displayed in the same manner as the cats and rabbits and foxes we have attended in other areas. His injuries were a match to these other victims. His liver was placed at the bottom of the garden on a raised stone next to the shed, with a trail of fur leading to it. The next night, the owner’s locked catflap was kicked in and the victim’s collar placed on the stone his liver had been. That’s not foxes.

In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.

In Watford, a rabbit was killed and six months later, his head was returned to his garden and found by his owner. It was pristine and looked like it had just happened. This wasn’t reported to Police as she was disgusted by their response when reporting the incident. That’s not foxes.

Early on in the investigation, two years ago, a headless cat was found near his home in Morland Road, Addiscombe. The cat’s head was found in Dalmally Road, upright, in the centre of the garden. The body was missing the same, small piece we had already noted on other victims.

All four of these victims had injuries identical to those seen elsewhere. If foxes are responsible for the others, then how have they managed all of this? If foxes are responsible for all of the others but not the ones mentioned above, how is it that the injuries are identical?

Finally, we decided to visibly monitor an area where there had been a spate of attacks over an extended period. In the 10 months since that started, there have been no further incidents in that area. There have however been attacks just outside that area.

For all of these reasons, we have taken a collective decision this afternoon to continue with the investigation. We now have the skills within our extended team to cover most of what police would be doing anyway.

The police have stated today that they have never had a full time officer assigned to the case, so we are wondering now how much time has actually been spent trying to solve this.

That said, we also know of some exceptional police work done at the start of this case and would like to thank the officers who worked on it.

Finally, our thoughts are with owners tonight who have been confronted by this news without any prior warning. We have tried to get hold of as many of you as possible but if we haven’t got hold of you yet our apologies, we have been inundated and are doing our best under very difficult circumstances.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it? "

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?"

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If it's a person then I hope they catch soon. I wonder what that person might do if caught in the act

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved? "

How about something that shows a person definitely wasn’t?

Again I reiterate, they must be bloody smart foxes to do what has been done to these poor cats and rabbits. Better hope they don’t decide to overthrow humans or we’d be buggered!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The authorities probably know stuff that we do not. Saying the investigation is over could be a bluff to flush the person out..

I still think it's a fox or lynx

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

How about something that shows a person definitely wasn’t?

Again I reiterate, they must be bloody smart foxes to do what has been done to these poor cats and rabbits. Better hope they don’t decide to overthrow humans or we’d be buggered!"

The suggestion is that foxes are scavenging cats that have been badly injured or killed by cars, so your reiteration is kinda pointless.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved? "

Here is an extract from today’s SNARL statement which gives details of some of the cases.

In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.

No evidence of human involvement? Yeah right!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Why can't they catch this person and what is the motive

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

How about something that shows a person definitely wasn’t?

Again I reiterate, they must be bloody smart foxes to do what has been done to these poor cats and rabbits. Better hope they don’t decide to overthrow humans or we’d be buggered!

The suggestion is that foxes are scavenging cats that have been badly injured or killed by cars, so your reiteration is kinda pointless.

It's not just cats that have been targeted, pet rabbit have too.

Rabbits have been removed from their hutch, decapitated and placed back inside in a posed position then the hutch securely closed again.

Is a fox physically capable of doing that?

No doubt in some cases foxes have scavenged ill or injured cats but not in all of the cases reported.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

How about something that shows a person definitely wasn’t?

Again I reiterate, they must be bloody smart foxes to do what has been done to these poor cats and rabbits. Better hope they don’t decide to overthrow humans or we’d be buggered!

The suggestion is that foxes are scavenging cats that have been badly injured or killed by cars, so your reiteration is kinda pointless.

Show me a fox who will kill, place the liver (organs are the prized part of a kill for carnivores as they are so nutritious) inside the cat flap and then return the next day and break down the locked cat flap and put the cat collar in the exact same place he left the liver.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I posted the SNARL statement above.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

But who can prove that the cat killer is a rabbit killer too.

There could be two on the loose or were rabbits killed near croydon

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

Here is an extract from today’s SNARL statement which gives details of some of the cases.

In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.

No evidence of human involvement? Yeah right!"

These are stories that people are telling that we have no way of assessing or corroborating. They're not evidence.

How has this mystery killer got to so many animals without ever being caught in person or on CCTV?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So today after a 3 year investigation and over 1000 mutiliated cat deaths the police have decided its case closed and that there was no human involvement.

They said it is most likely due to car accidents and foxes scavenging the bodys.

I suspect its more likely that the police are just too underfunded and had to wipe their hands clean of this investigation and just give a BS conclusion to it.

Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?"
I think it was percy thrower absolutely sick of the little buggers crappiing in his flower beds

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Short of video footage, the police won't bother. Nicking drivers is far more financially astute.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?

Yes, I'm willing to believe this.

Are there any actual evidenced examples of cat deaths that contradict it?

How about this one?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/potters-bar-woman-speaks-out-following-croydon-cat-killer-conclu-1-5704427

Why would police tell her not to reveal trademark details if it were not human hands responsible?

I mean...that's one person speculating, it's not evidence. I'm sure there are loads of odd cat deaths, but how about something that shows a person was definitely involved?

Here is an extract from today’s SNARL statement which gives details of some of the cases.

In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.

No evidence of human involvement? Yeah right!

These are stories that people are telling that we have no way of assessing or corroborating. They're not evidence.

How has this mystery killer got to so many animals without ever being caught in person or on CCTV? "

A perfectly preserved head of a decapitated animal being left on the lawn 6 months after the animal was killed isn’t evidence?

If these animals were being killed in town centres I would expect cctv to be available.However, how many quiet residential streets have cctv? Of those few households who do have it, how many have systems sophisticated enough to provide clear pictures?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

A perfectly preserved head of a decapitated animal being left on the lawn 6 months after the animal was killed isn’t evidence?

The story about the head is...a story.

Within 5 mins you can find people online who swear they've met Nessie.

Meanwhile, one person has apparently killed over 1000 animals, and been back to the scene of the crime to arrange displays of his victims, and never been seen by a single eye witness or camera. A stealth master!

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

A perfectly preserved head of a decapitated animal being left on the lawn 6 months after the animal was killed isn’t evidence?

The story about the head is...a story.

Within 5 mins you can find people online who swear they've met Nessie.

Incorrect. There have been around 400 confirmed deaths with the same characteristics. The investigation has ruled out over 1500 animal deaths as not linked, thought to be due to predators and rta’s

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

A perfectly preserved head of a decapitated animal being left on the lawn 6 months after the animal was killed isn’t evidence?

The story about the head is...a story.

Within 5 mins you can find people online who swear they've met Nessie.

Incorrect. There have been around 400 confirmed deaths with the same characteristics. The investigation has ruled out over 1500 animal deaths as not linked, thought to be due to predators and rta’s"

Ah, OK. So 'only' 400 deaths that this mystery person has caused without every leaving single trace behind, not even a footprint apparently. Impressive.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"So today after a 3 year investigation and over 1000 mutiliated cat deaths the police have decided its case closed and that there was no human involvement.

They said it is most likely due to car accidents and foxes scavenging the bodys.

I suspect its more likely that the police are just too underfunded and had to wipe their hands clean of this investigation and just give a BS conclusion to it.

Anyone else believe it was down to road accidents and foxes or definitely some human involvement?"

I think it is a case of the police not having the time, money or man power to follow this anymore.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It was a fox

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"It was a fox "

One with surgical instruments and transport...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

One with cunning and sharp teeth...

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