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By *rontier Psychiatrist OP   Man
over a year ago

Coventry

Is the Irish option to make deliberate trespass a crime the solution to the issue of traveller site?

Would giving the police the power to arrest people for deliberate trespass and impound the caravans be the answer?

And if so should that law be passed should we make better provisions for traveller to have safe sites with good sanitary conditions? If so how will we pay for this? Impose rents and/or better systems to collect tax?

Or would the Irish option just be seen as a way to force travellers out of their traditional life and conform to living life the rest of us? And what are the greater implications to us all making deliberate trespass a crime?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society.

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By *rontier Psychiatrist OP   Man
over a year ago

Coventry


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society. "

Just playing devil's advocate on this being a sensible law applicable to all. If that comes at the cost of people's way of life that has existed for 100s of years? Should travellers fall under the same laws even if these laws threaten their ability to move freely and exist as they always have. Or is it unfair that everyone else has to deal with the consequences of this way of life?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society.

Just playing devil's advocate on this being a sensible law applicable to all. If that comes at the cost of people's way of life that has existed for 100s of years? Should travellers fall under the same laws even if these laws threaten their ability to move freely and exist as they always have. Or is it unfair that everyone else has to deal with the consequences of this way of life?"

It's a good question. I often say on these forums that people with fundamentally different values can't share a country without one being compromised. There are plenty of sites for them, unfortunately some resent paying anything towards the maintenance of those sites and therein lies the problem. Nobody has the right to invade someone else's private property and there's no such concept as "That's my way of life", I can't punch you in the face and claim that's just my culture as a defence.

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By *horecruxCouple
over a year ago

SE4

The only people who will see this enforced is the homeless

The police don't go on site to enforce any low level infringement

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

They mostly live outside the law so they will do as they have always done regardless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well they all have cars that need to be insured

driving licences that need an address

passports maybe

so they must have a kind of legal address in some respects

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society. "

I am reminded of the old story of sone left wing mp wandering across some Moor when he was accosted by the landowner who told him to leave as it was private land.

The mp asked how he got the land. He was told he inherited it from his father. And how did your father get it, he inherited it. The question continued. Until he got to the ancestor who got it by fighting for it.

"right", said the mp, "take your coat off and I'll fight you for it"...

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society.

Just playing devil's advocate on this being a sensible law applicable to all. If that comes at the cost of people's way of life that has existed for 100s of years? Should travellers fall under the same laws even if these laws threaten their ability to move freely and exist as they always have. Or is it unfair that everyone else has to deal with the consequences of this way of life?"

There would be no need for extra laws if this group actually behaved like decent human beings. I have lived in several areas where they have turned up and chaos ensued. Vandalism, robbery, stealing cars. Refusal to pay taxes but wanting the benefits of our system. I have seen where they have built houses but they stood empty as they couldn't prove where the income was from.

At the very least the government could create a central registration point where official documentation could be processed, so they could have insurance etc.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society.

Just playing devil's advocate on this being a sensible law applicable to all. If that comes at the cost of people's way of life that has existed for 100s of years? Should travellers fall under the same laws even if these laws threaten their ability to move freely and exist as they always have. Or is it unfair that everyone else has to deal with the consequences of this way of life?

There would be no need for extra laws if this group actually behaved like decent human beings. I have lived in several areas where they have turned up and chaos ensued. Vandalism, robbery, stealing cars. Refusal to pay taxes but wanting the benefits of our system. I have seen where they have built houses but they stood empty as they couldn't prove where the income was from.

At the very least the government could create a central registration point where official documentation could be processed, so they could have insurance etc."

Ye good luck with that

Their culture has evolved specifically to stay outside society,the law and general human decency

They have no birth certs ffs

They start them young

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is amusing - here you all are pontificating about people living outside the norm and yet take a look at yourselves lol

As for the travellers they are a different race and don’t have time or respect for us normal folk....which is why they get called pikeys.

As for a national registration scheme, that would have to encompass everyone or it would be a move towards national socialism as herr hitler liked to call it....and he was quite keen on detaining gays and perverts too!

For this argument I would happily take on the mantle of pervert by the way

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

Op we live fairly close. I’m sure you regularly see the same local news surrounding the issues of travellers setting up encampments around Coventry and Warwickshire. Along with it, the disruption this causes to schools, hospitals, businesses, local services and also the clear up costs after they are finally moved on.

A law similar to that in Ireland would certainly have an impact here and I feel would be very welcomed by most locals.

However, if we plan to introduce this then there needs to be significant investment in creating sufficient legal sites for the travelling community.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"Is the Irish option to make deliberate trespass a crime the solution to the issue of traveller site?

Would giving the police the power to arrest people for deliberate trespass and impound the caravans be the answer?

And if so should that law be passed should we make better provisions for traveller to have safe sites with good sanitary conditions? If so how will we pay for this? Impose rents and/or better systems to collect tax?

Or would the Irish option just be seen as a way to force travellers out of their traditional life and conform to living life the rest of us? And what are the greater implications to us all making deliberate trespass a crime?"

Seems like a great idea to me.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"In general there are multiple groups in society abusing property rights and I think these need to be made criminal cases. The right to private property is the bedrock of our law and society.

I am reminded of the old story of sone left wing mp wandering across some Moor when he was accosted by the landowner who told him to leave as it was private land.

The mp asked how he got the land. He was told he inherited it from his father. And how did your father get it, he inherited it. The question continued. Until he got to the ancestor who got it by fighting for it.

"right", said the mp, "take your coat off and I'll fight you for it"... "

Yes that's a play straight out of Marx isn't it. The niave belief that all wealth was just stolen from someone during the feudal age and isn't deserved. I'd happily fight any MP, hardly a well trained group of athletes.

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