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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that? "Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality! | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that? "Have you ever asked her if she wants to play 5 set matches? | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Have you ever asked her if she wants to play 5 set matches?"Maybe she should turn down the prize money until the matches ARE equal? I doubt that would happen though, she's happy to take the money. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!"So, are you saying that men and women are not equal? | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?"Physically. No. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No."Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men? | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Have you ever asked her if she wants to play 5 set matches?
Maybe she should turn down the prize money until the matches ARE equal?
I doubt that would happen though, she's happy to take the money."You understand that it's a completely different type of game, mens and womens tennis? If she wins a tournament, she should get the same "pay" as the winner of the mens match. They both last about the same time. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?"Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?"I bring this up in every team meeting  | |||
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"We’ll work a five hour day and the women work a 3 hour day but we’ll pay you the same. How does that work? Also her coach admitted to signaling her instructions so end of. She has no argument. "You mean in tennis ? Because in the real world people earn different hourly rates doing the same job. | |||
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"We’ll work a five hour day and the women work a 3 hour day but we’ll pay you the same. How does that work? Also her coach admitted to signaling her instructions so end of. She has no argument. "He also said she didn't see any instructions. So no penalty should've been given. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird."I don't hate Serena. I don't hate women. I'm just trying to understand why its ok to campaign for equality, and then accept something that is unequal. She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that? "Bad loser simple | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird.
I don't hate Serena.
I don't hate women.
I'm just trying to understand why its ok to campaign for equality, and then accept something that is unequal.
She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women."Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something? | |||
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"Equality favours women. I’ve heard it all now "True equality wouldn't | |||
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"Equality favours women. I’ve heard it all now
True equality wouldn't"The version of equality we have at the moment doesn't favour women. Which is the point the poster above was trying to make. | |||
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"Equality favours women. I’ve heard it all now
True equality wouldn't
The version of equality we have at the moment doesn't favour women.
Which is the point the poster above was trying to make."Parts of it do...such as tennis earnings  | |||
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"To anyone with daughters who play sport - if they call the umpire or referee a liar and a thief, then smash the place up don’t worry. This is what strong, classy women do, apparently.... " Standard | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird.
I don't hate Serena.
I don't hate women.
I'm just trying to understand why its ok to campaign for equality, and then accept something that is unequal.
She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women.
Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something?"Mens singles finals are 5 sets long, womens singles finals are 3 sets, so they get the same prize money for 3 fifths of the work. | |||
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"To anyone with daughters who play sport - if they call the umpire or referee a liar and a thief, then smash the place up don’t worry. This is what strong, classy women do, apparently.... I Standard "Winners never make good losers. Though one suspects she might reflect on her behavior at the weekend with some embarrassment at her conduct. But then again, she might not  | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that? "actually its only in "Grand slam" tournaments that women gets equal pay as men.... on average players get paid more on the "mens tour" than they do on the "womens tour" | |||
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"Equality favours women. I’ve heard it all now
True equality wouldn't
The version of equality we have at the moment doesn't favour women.
Which is the point the poster above was trying to make.
Parts of it do...such as tennis earnings "It's not unequal. They are doing the same thing. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird.
I don't hate Serena.
I don't hate women.
I'm just trying to understand why its ok to campaign for equality, and then accept something that is unequal.
She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women.
Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something?
Mens singles finals are 5 sets long, womens singles finals are 3 sets, so they get the same prize money for 3 fifths of the work."John McEnroe got ridiculed for ages for saying that men are much better at tennis than women and the Serena wouldn't be in the top 250 if rankings were put together. Later on, Serena Williams did an interview where she said the same thing, that men are naturally stronger, bigger and faster than women and she wouldn't be able to compete against most male tennis players. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird.
I don't hate Serena.
I don't hate women.
I'm just trying to understand why its ok to campaign for equality, and then accept something that is unequal.
She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women.
Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something?
Mens singles finals are 5 sets long, womens singles finals are 3 sets, so they get the same prize money for 3 fifths of the work."You do know that a five set mens match and a three set womens match takes approximately the same amount of time? And, if you don't like that one. What if a man wins in straight sets and the women's goes to three? Should they be paid the same then? They've both won in 3 sets... | |||
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" She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women. Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something? Mens singles finals are 5 sets long, womens singles finals are 3 sets, so they get the same prize money for 3 fifths of the work." only place men play best of 5 sets are the grand slams, the ATP world Final, Davis Cup and the Olympic final... rest of the year men play best of 3....... just like the women! | |||
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" She hit the headlines screaming about "sexism"... but is happy to accept it when it favours women. Because it is equal. They are doing the same thing. Playing a tennis match. Or am I missing something? Mens singles finals are 5 sets long, womens singles finals are 3 sets, so they get the same prize money for 3 fifths of the work. only place men play best of 5 sets are the grand slams, the ATP world Final, Davis Cup and the Olympic final... rest of the year men play best of 3....... just like the women!" Ok, but do the women get the same prize money for playing three sets when the guys play 5 at these events? Remember, those tournaments you quoted are some of the biggest in terms of prize money. Look, the point I'm making is that a great sportsperson has "thrown her teddy out the pram" about being rebuked by an umpire, and called him sexist for doing so. She's made a fortune out of tennis, and some of those huge sums of cash have come from playing LESS tennis than the guys... so she's ok to profit off sexism when it favours women it seems. | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. " Last time I checked, womens tennis is marketed to all and there would have been both men and women watching the women's tennis final (both courtside and on tv). | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Serena had a Big Black Cock . " And whys that then? | |||
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"Men argue with umpires all the time, and they don’t get penalised for it. A woman does it and she gets docked a game. Men change their shirts on court all the time, and they don’t get penalised for it. A woman does it and she gets a code violation. Both incidents happened at the same tournament. These aren’t isolated incidents. Stuff like this happens all the time, in many sports. But it’s always the woman being unreasonable or emotional, right? "If the WTA players feel they are being discriminated against then there should be investigation(s). However publicly throwing an umpire under the bus for doing his job (correctly) to protect their star player is both irresponsible and short sighted | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. " You've talked a lot here without actually saying anything And the fact that the Top 20 can beat each other on any give nday indicates a lack of strength in depth, lol it indicates nothing of the sort. On the basis that the Williams sisters are amongst the best ever, and no rational person can argue against that, it indicates an amazing strength in depth. Do you want to try again? Maybe just trying to prove one point instead of about 6 with no link between them. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?
Wow, the haters are out in force today huh. So wait...are you blaming her for this ?? How weird." | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. You've talked a lot here without actually saying anything And the fact that the Top 20 can beat each other on any give nday indicates a lack of strength in depth, lol it indicates nothing of the sort. On the basis that the Williams sisters are amongst the best ever, and no rational person can argue against that, it indicates an amazing strength in depth. Do you want to try again? Maybe just trying to prove one point instead of about 6 with no link between them. " What was your point? | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Serena had a Big Black Cock . " shes most definitely a woman and a fine one at that | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. " *As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes*... Wow. Just wow. 2018 ladies & gentlemen. 2000 and effing 18 !! | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. You've talked a lot here without actually saying anything And the fact that the Top 20 can beat each other on any give nday indicates a lack of strength in depth, lol it indicates nothing of the sort. On the basis that the Williams sisters are amongst the best ever, and no rational person can argue against that, it indicates an amazing strength in depth. Do you want to try again? Maybe just trying to prove one point instead of about 6 with no link between them. What was your point?" Well I guess really that you didn't make any sense, you argued against yourself, and I suppose to summarise, you're talking bollocks, clear enough point? You talk like you know what you're talking about, but on reading it you don't. Best strength in depth ever in women's tennis, but why let facts stand in the way of your random theories. | |||
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"Anyone want to take first guesses as to which half of the couple posted this thread? "Please say it’s the woman OP ! | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. *As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes*... Wow. Just wow. 2018 ladies & gentlemen. 2000 and effing 18 !! " I didn’t even waste my energy typing out a response or reading the rest after that. I love threads like this as people’s ignorance really shines through. | |||
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"Anyone want to take first guesses as to which half of the couple posted this thread? "Didn't check it, but my guess is some puny malnourished guy who is intimidated by her? Close? At least she's getting good advice today, how to handle racism, how to be a professional tennis player, how to be thankful she's allowed to earn money as a woman. All from fellow professional utter nobodies, lol. | |||
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"Anyone want to take first guesses as to which half of the couple posted this thread?
Didn't check it, but my guess is some puny malnourished guy who is intimidated by her? Close?
At least she's getting good advice today, how to handle racism, how to be a professional tennis player, how to be thankful she's allowed to earn money as a woman. All from fellow professional utter nobodies, lol. "
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. *As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes*... Wow. Just wow. 2018 ladies & gentlemen. 2000 and effing 18 !! I didn’t even waste my energy typing out a response or reading the rest after that. I love threads like this as people’s ignorance really shines through. " Oh you should read it, it's actually quite funny. God knows how many random weird ideas all not even tenuosly linked with some completely incorrect conclusions from his own data. | |||
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. *As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes*... Wow. Just wow. 2018 ladies & gentlemen. 2000 and effing 18 !! I didn’t even waste my energy typing out a response or reading the rest after that. I love threads like this as people’s ignorance really shines through. " Diet racism at it's finest. As with most of this thread tbh. If this incident involved a white British female, I think we all know how different pepoles views would be... | |||
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" As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. "  Not a lot phases me on these forums, but you must be some special kind of idiot. Did you engage your brain before writing that?
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"she brought the game and the umpire’s integrity into question. I think this should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. I would hope that she will have had an opportunity to reflect on her behaviour and come up with a way to make amends. She lost the match, but not necessarily as a result of punishment given on court. I would imagine a fine will not be the end of this and I hope she should expect a ban. As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes. This is particularly the case in tennis. The way I see it is that women’s tennis has been incredibly fortunate to have had the treatment that it has (many thanks to the efforts to have it taken seriously by Billie Jean King). Currently women’s tennis is in a poor state, think how many players in the top 20 you can currently name, and the fact that they all can beat each other on any given day indicates a lack of strength in depth. I think people are largely fed up of the Williams sister’s domination of what is a comparatively shallow talent pool, their complaints and their self appointed mouthpiecimg for the state the sport. For me this is an area where equal, and equality differ. Women's sport largely rides on the back of men’s sport. Most women could not exist as professional athletes if the sports were separated. The rules, the governance framework, and the bulk of the sponsorship comes from an association with a preexisting men’s sport. If this were removed I cannot quickly think of a sport in which women could compete independently as professionals. Rather than seeking equal pay I feel women would be better off focussing their effort on creating a product that had the same interest levels and commercial potential opportunity. This has to be something that cannot just be marketed to women themselves, but be capable of drawing in a mixed audience. *As a black woman she should realise the importance of fighting battles in the correct manner. Claiming a sexist/racist bias at times when there hasn’t been proven to be one will actually put back these causes*... Wow. Just wow. 2018 ladies & gentlemen. 2000 and effing 18 !! I didn’t even waste my energy typing out a response or reading the rest after that. I love threads like this as people’s ignorance really shines through. Diet racism at it's finest. As with most of this thread tbh. If this incident involved a white British female, I think we all know how different pepoles views would be..." Nearly correct, she'd have to be a petite white British female for full support, just to get support from the poor liitle men intimidated buy her complete awesomeness. It's something I see a lot of on this forum, and it is completely out of order. The argument about equal pay is valid and I change my mind on it myself a lot. Her direct behaviours yesterday was OTT, but the rest of the crap is the same typical nonsense as ever. | |||
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"Well, its an education to read the responses to my OP. Some got the debate I was trying to open up. Some, on the other hand, seemed to see things in what I posted that I'd never written. Apparently I'm a puny, malnourished, misogynistic racist. Just to throw a bit of a spanner in the works, Venus and Serena Williams are probably the only two female tennis players currently playing that I could name, and although I don't watch a lot of tennis, if ever they were playing each other, I'd tune in. " Lol, on my part, crossed wires I meant the big black cock comment, and a number of others, not yours. | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?"Go google equality vs equity (justice) there's a pic of 3 people standing on boxes. It should illustrate the argument for you. Getting the same treatment doesn't mean you're getting equality. | |||
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" Oh come on people. Ignore the pay issue the money verses the game length is just not important. She is a bad egg. Using every card available to her; Racist Sexist Im a Mother No Miss Williams you're; A fucking Cheat A vicious human being A Marde Arse If people want to buy into the black victim, female discrimination and Mummy Power lines, then all they are doing is driving a wedge between both sides of an argument. Ridiculous 35 years ago John McEnroe showed the same traits 35 years on people still call it for what it is. A bad tempered sulking Man."  | |||
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"Hypocrite. She bangs on about sexism, yet is happy to get the same money as the male tennis players, for playing shorter matches.... where is the equality in that?
Because the match time is suited to their body type?? No idea but that's justice rather than equality!
So, are you saying that men and women are not equal?
Physically. No.
Ok, so why give women tennis players the same money as men, when men, in basic terms, often give more (longer) enjoyment. Surely the prize money should be pro rata, and surely this is sexist against men?" | |||
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Robbed a hard working winner of her deserved press. If she wanted to complain about rules and fairness, do it correctly. Don't bully umpires that have applied the rules. She broke the rules, cannot deny that. She complainine about other games where rules haven't been applied.
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