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"How hypocritical of the politicians to attend a summit on Global warming in SA. Not bescause it's in SA but how did they arrive, I bet none of 'em fooking walked................................Big fancy expensive privately chartered jets me thinks." Unfortunately wherever they hold the conference in the world it will entail air travel for 99% of the delegates. I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction. | |||
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"There is no such thing as global warming." Data might suggest otherwise.... | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree." Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... | |||
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" Unfortunately wherever they hold the conference in the world it will entail air travel for 99% of the delegates. I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction." I'll grant you that, the point I think I was trying to make was, why bother with the air travel and the conference for something which probably will just descend into yet another damp squib with no significant solution, contribution or pledge from any particular nation/s. It seems global warming is with us to stay and there don't seem to be a whole lot anyone can do about it bar let the nature do what it will. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too....." That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. | |||
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"I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction." True, however video conferencing is possible! Anyhow teleportation has far more interesting application for meet's don't want it clogged up by politicians ![]() ![]() | |||
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" The big fuss about it at the moment is just another pitiful excuse to tax and charge us It's unlikey whatever we do will make a scrap of difference " There's a saying I think, involves nail and head. Bang on Soapy ![]() | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation." Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too....." That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat. | |||
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"DOnt care.. never did care.. Yes we are warming up, but only the same as they can show its done a good few times before.. what was the excuses then... To me its just an excuse to profit more. Cali x" its more to do with how fast the change is happening, it will happen again for sure!! but in 50,000 years not in 50 as we are going towards!! governments and many people are burying their heads in the sand!! It amazes me that some people take this so lightly, the polar ice caps have shrunk so much over the last ten years it frightening!! ![]() | |||
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"DOnt care.. never did care.. Yes we are warming up, but only the same as they can show its done a good few times before.. what was the excuses then... To me its just an excuse to profit more. Cali x its more to do with how fast the change is happening, it will happen again for sure!! but in 50,000 years not in 50 as we are going towards!! governments and many people are burying their heads in the sand!! It amazes me that some people take this so lightly, the polar ice caps have shrunk so much over the last ten years it frightening!! ![]() I'm not frightened, I live on top of a hill and I'm going to build a big boat. Tickets will be on sale shortly. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... " There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding. Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree." I wonder who the other scientists are having their grants paid for, the "climate change lobby" has only a fraction of the funds of big global businesses who lobby many times more to build plants and strip natural resources and damage things with disregard for the future and just look after profits!! | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding. Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway." totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they?? | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. I wonder who the other scientists are having their grants paid for, the "climate change lobby" has only a fraction of the funds of big global businesses who lobby many times more to build plants and strip natural resources and damage things with disregard for the future and just look after profits!! " Yes, but they do these things so that they have products to sell you which you keep buying ! | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... " The worlds a globe nutters,they,re the ones that keep falling off the edge. ![]() | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding. Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway. totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they?? " The problem with electric and hydrogen cars is that they move the source of pollution away from the car and onto the electricity and hydrogen producers. The car may look green, the big power planet that charges the car's battery isn't clean at all. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat." Come on, it's not a load of rubbish. The church backed 'scientists' of the day believed and preached that the World was flat. The point is others at the time knew it wasn't and we now conclusively know it isn't. Today some industry backed scientists dismiss global warming, it's not a bad simile from history. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat. Come on, it's not a load of rubbish. The church backed 'scientists' of the day believed and preached that the World was flat. The point is others at the time knew it wasn't and we now conclusively know it isn't. Today some industry backed scientists dismiss global warming, it's not a bad simile from history. " The flat earth thing's an urban myth. Church "scientists" only preached from the bible's "facts", otherwise the Inquisition would have cut off their twiddly bits and roast them on an open fire. The accepted King James version of the bible makes no comment as to the state of the planet in that respect. | |||
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree. Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too..... That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'.... There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding. Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway. totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they?? The problem with electric and hydrogen cars is that they move the source of pollution away from the car and onto the electricity and hydrogen producers. The car may look green, the big power planet that charges the car's battery isn't clean at all." They're looking at a feasible way of creating hydrogen using hydrolysis from seawater, using off shore wind farms. Production of hydrogen is not the problem, storage for everyday use is the problem, a company called Cella Energy in Oxfordshire has created micro beads that can store hydrogen at ordinary temperatures and pressure. Creating something in the lab and creating something that can be mass produced is another, but if thing is as hot as they claim. We could all be driving hydrogen fuel cell cars. | |||
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"global warming is happening,was going to happen,and will always..its just the speed thats the issue, and of course the butterfly effect it brings" Excellently put that man!.... | |||
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself? America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics. This planet has an axial tilt of about 23.5°, which means it rotates at 23.5° to it's orbital plane, but it hasn't always been so, and Earth's tilt changes over time and it's that change which has an effect on the severity or mildness of the seasons around the world. It also causes climate change in areas that have had a stable climate, and that is what I believe causes what is known as 'global warming'. The politicians and business sectors have conveniently put enough scare information out there that most believe the planet is heading for disaster - and then they tax us to high heaven for causing it. Cobblers." Just a thought... Talking about the Global Tilt that this planet exhibits. I have often wondered if man will have an effect on that. Look at the way we have built masses of concrete structures in random places around the globe, with no thought for the balance! OK, I do realise that it would probably take a massive weight to actually unbalance the Earth, but that much weight is there. Look at the way China is building and even India! But, building is being concentrated in areas across the globe and would be pulling in all different directions, maybe enough to destabilize the world? I must point out that I am in no way clever enough to understand what I just typed and I have no idea if it is possible, but after watching too many Sci-Fi films on the tele.. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I am very skeptical about the computer models being used to determine climate change as they now like to call it." Very good - I'm impressed! For some info on what's wrong with some of the fundamentals of the models that are being used, I recomend you check these out - if you're up to it - they are pretty heavy going for a layperson. Flynn, K. J. (2005) Castles built on sand: dysfunctionality in plankton models and the inadequacy of dialogue between biologists and modellers. J. Plankton Res., 27, 1205–1210. Flynn, K. J. (2008) Use, abuse, misconceptions and insights from quota models—the droop cell quota model 40 years on. Oceanogr. Mar. Biol. Ann. Rev., 48, 1–23. Franks, P. J. S. (2009) Planktonic ecosystem models: perplexing parameterizations and a failure to fail. J. Plankton Res., 31, 1299–1306. | |||
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"I am very skeptical about the computer models being used to determine climate change as they now like to call it. Very good - I'm impressed! For some info on what's wrong with some of the fundamentals of the models that are being used, I recomend you check these out - if you're up to it - they are pretty heavy going for a layperson. Flynn, K. J. (2005) Castles built on sand: dysfunctionality in plankton models and the inadequacy of dialogue between biologists and modellers. J. Plankton Res., 27, 1205–1210. Flynn, K. J. (2008) Use, abuse, misconceptions and insights from quota models—the droop cell quota model 40 years on. Oceanogr. Mar. Biol. Ann. Rev., 48, 1–23. Franks, P. J. S. (2009) Planktonic ecosystem models: perplexing parameterizations and a failure to fail. J. Plankton Res., 31, 1299–1306. " Blimey you're not kidding, plankton is not my strong subject. I would have thought there are many factors to the plankton population, marine pollution being the biggest factor. | |||
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" I would have thought there are many factors to the plankton population, marine pollution being the biggest factor." ok - quick summation: the oceans are the biggest sink (recipient) for atmospheric carbon on earth. They absorb it through physical processes, but biological processes (i.e marine photosynthetic phytoplankton) account for the majority. So if you are looking to create a model to make long term predictions of global carbon cycling, getting a model to predict what the planets single largest consumer of atmospheric carbon is going to do would be pretty key to getting it right. However the modellers aren't biologists - they aren't even (usually) biological modellers - they are geophysical modellers - so they tend to employ over-simplified and rather outmoded models of phytoplankton growth that make all kinds of silly assumptions. So the model predictions can't really be trusted to any great degree of accuracy. Of course there's more to climate change than models. and of course the climate IS changing .... getting warmer at a time when we are entering a phase of the milankovich cycle when it should be getting colder. and carbon dioxide is a factor | |||
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" and of course the climate IS changing .... getting warmer at a time when we are entering a phase of the milankovich cycle when it should be getting colder. and carbon dioxide is a factor " who would have thought. milankovich cycle + global warming = equilibrium. ffs we're saving the planet,happy days. ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I read somewhere else............................ If you were to measure the life of the earth in human terms of a life lasting for 80 years, the time that humans have been creating carbon dioxide equates to a period of time equating to the blink of an eye in that period of 80 years. To suggest that factors in that tiny period of time could affect the worlds climate is just untenable. Another very simple school time lesson anecdote from a basic (primary school) biology lesson - carbon dioxide is second only to oxygen as being the bringer of life and food to our planet. Far from being something hideous, carbon dioxide is a wonderful gas without which we could not survive and the trees, plants and crops that feed and supply us would simply not exist." pretty standard denialist stuff.# the first is just an argument from incredulity - I can't understand it therefore it can't be true. as for the second.... go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is | |||
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"The UN Global Warming Talks are currently happening in South Africa, the talks are stalling as the Worlds biggest polluters (China, U.S. and India) are resisting agreement. This summit isn't even being reported on our normal media channels! Do we or should we still care about Global Warming? It seems to have moved well down the pecking order. " I care what we are doing to the planet full stop. We have made a mess so far and it will only get worse. The greed of the few and all that. | |||
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"go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is" Go and live on a planet without CO2 and see how long it will take you to starve to death because of the lack of plant and animal life. The key to life on any planet is equillibrium and man hasn't been around anywhere near long enough to upset the equillibrium of this planet. We may be the instrument of our own demise one day but the planet itself will recover and get along just fine without us. | |||
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"go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is Go and live on a planet without CO2 and see how long it will take you to starve to death because of the lack of plant and animal life. The key to life on any planet is equillibrium and man hasn't been around anywhere near long enough to upset the equillibrium of this planet. We may be the instrument of our own demise one day but the planet itself will recover and get along just fine without us." Hear hear | |||
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"It's just an excuse for the Left to find a new role for the state and to put taxes up!" Ain't that hitting the nail bang on the head! ![]() | |||
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made. " I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept. It's a lot like creationism in that respect ![]() | |||
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made. I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept. It's a lot like creationism in that respect ![]() There is a significant gain to be made whatever the reason for the current upward tend in global temperatures, moving from a carbon based to a hydrogen based would not not only make ecological sense but economic too. | |||
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself? America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics. " BTW wishy - you are a little confused in this one. the hole in the ozone layer was not caused by CO2 and it's not related in any meaningful way to climate change. The ozone hole was caused by CFCs - the gasses we used to use in refrigerators. Ozone is constantly being produced in the atmosphere, so when we moved from using CFCs to HFC and HCFC based refrigerant gasses around the mid to end of the 90s - and put in place legislation to rigorously control their release into the environment - the ozone hole began to replenish itself. See? it's simple when you have a basic command of the facts. ![]() | |||
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made. I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept. It's a lot like creationism in that respect ![]() Some creationists make a very good case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oixmj5jA7JI | |||
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself? America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics. BTW wishy - you are a little confused in this one. the hole in the ozone layer was not caused by CO2 and it's not related in any meaningful way to climate change. " From The Ozone Hole (.com): The ozone hole is a completely different phenomenon to global warming, however there are links between them. The ozone hole is caused by ozone depleting chemicals in the atmosphere, which have been produced by industry, for example CFCs. One link is that CFCs are also 'greenhouse gasses'. Enhanced global warming is a probable consequence of increasing amounts of 'greenhouse gasses', such as carbon dioxide and methane, in the atmosphere. Although the surface of the earth warms, higher up the atmosphere cools, thus increasing the area where stratospheric clouds can form. This makes a larger area susceptible to ozone depletion and provides another link between the two issues. | |||
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"What a waste of time building wind farms, when yesterday the wind blew very hard and they burst into flames" i think 165mph is a bit more than blowing 'very hard' ![]() | |||
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"What a waste of time building wind farms, when yesterday the wind blew very hard and they burst into flames i think 165mph is a bit more than blowing 'very hard' ![]() Dunno,there's a couple of blow hards on here who could probably top that ![]() | |||
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made. I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept. It's a lot like creationism in that respect ![]() No they don't. They muddy the waters with questions which they think are difficult because the average person doesmn't know enough to answer.... | |||
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" Just a thought... Talking about the Global Tilt that this planet exhibits. I have often wondered if man will have an effect on that. Look at the way we have built masses of concrete structures in random places around the globe, with no thought for the balance! OK, I do realise that it would probably take a massive weight to actually unbalance the Earth, but that much weight is there. Look at the way China is building and even India! But, building is being concentrated in areas across the globe and would be pulling in all different directions, maybe enough to destabilize the world? I must point out that I am in no way clever enough to understand what I just typed and I have no idea if it is possible, but after watching too many Sci-Fi films on the tele.. ![]() ![]() I think the earths gravity sorts out any extra weight...anything else is just adding to its mass no?-but not affecting its naturally changing tilt... | |||
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"I care about my children...and their children, but there is little I or my family can do to counteract this.... However as regards Norfolk....I would happily see it flood next week, if only because my mother in law lives there...and the witch can't swim!" not even with webbed feet? | |||
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"I care about my children...and their children, but there is little I or my family can do to counteract this.... However as regards Norfolk....I would happily see it flood next week, if only because my mother in law lives there...and the witch can't swim! not even with webbed feet?" Unfortunately as she wasn't born in Norfolk she doesn't have the benefit of webbed feet.....anyway who could swim if I tied them to a chair and locked them in a cupboard under the stairs? ![]() | |||
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"Doesn't look like many care about much at all .... for example •Just under 7.6 million children dying every year " Would the world have the resources to sustain such numbers if they did survive their cultural /political/ social environment?? in just 10 years there would be more people alive than live in the UK, 20 years plus their children, so many people....We find it shocking through modern UK eyes, NHS /welfare state /developed county, but look back 50, 100, 200 years and the UK had a high infant mortality rate. I know it sounds harsh but... | |||
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"I could be wrong, but there seems more cutting and pasting in this thread, than you'd expect to find in kindergarten class preparing for mothers day,,,,, Who’d have thought there was so many expert-climatologist swingers,,,eh! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I blame google ![]() | |||
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"Global warming is a natural phenomenon the sun is a star as it ages it gets hotter before it dies. So naturally the earth is going to get hotter in the future and recycling isnt going to make a blind bit of difference. It was simply a gimmick thought up by pr men ie politicians to stealth tax us to pay fr there incompetence at spending our money " I don’t think there is much scientific research on climate change that does openly acknowledge there is a natural cycle whereby the earth has already warmed and cooled many times before, and that that cycle is expected to continue……. However for anyone to dismiss human-kinds destructive activities also possibly contribute a negative impact based on some ludicrous claim it’s all a tax raising gimmick is so absurd, frankly its too embarrassing to even consider,,,, Yeah like as if…….. Somehow the politician of this world have exacted some kind of leverage over swathes of scientific community getting them involved in some conspiracy scam just to raise tax at the risk of losing all credibility for their chosen vocation……….. yeah…. Rite-on……pfffttttt like thats gonna happen..... ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Personally I think there is now little we can do to change the inevitable, we have had our own 'Industrial Revolution' period in history, and we can hardly deny the developing nations their own attempts at lifestyle improvements..... I'm moving further South, closer to the equator than where I live now....that way I and eventually my children will live in a place where it's warmer." great, I will stay in Scotland, a rural life will still drive solo in car, rather than bus, train or tube | |||
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