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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! " Bit of both? She’s got form for all of it. | |||
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"My view? The former based on this particular incident. It’s her opponent I feel most sorry for - the biggest moment of her professional career totally overshadowed!" Agreed. Horrible. | |||
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"My view? The former based on this particular incident. It’s her opponent I feel most sorry for - the biggest moment of her professional career totally overshadowed!" This | |||
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"I’m completely oblivious to this so I’ve just googled it to see her being abusive to the umpire. How exactly was she cheating, was it a coaching issue?" It was the coaching thing. Although that seems minor in comparison with the way she reacted. Demanding the referee to apologise for the decision. I mean, even if the referee was wrong, that wasn’t an appropriate reaction... and it costed her the final... | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years" And got plenty of points violations for it too! | |||
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"I saw her rant and felt a bit embarrassed for her. Still not sure why she was accused of cheating!!" Her coach was giving tactics which is ilegal. She said she didn’t even seen it. And that every coach does it... the whole thing is kind of silly tbh... tennis is a weird sport anyway. I got lost at the dress code... | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years" It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... " I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully... | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully..." She’s not a bully for this. She was a bully when she made threatened another referee with physical violence. Or you don’t think that was bullying? Nobody is perfect. I’m a great admirer of Serena, but she’s not perfect. And I don’t think she acted well in this situation, independently of weather or not the referee was correct (serena’s coach already confirmed he was trying to give tactics to the field, if she’s going to be mad about someone, should be mad at the coach because he was definitely trying to cheat weather she benefit from it or not). | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully..." Do you think everyone should go back to behaving like that again? I don't. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully..." Don’t remember McEnroe calling an umpire a liar and a thief though can you ?! | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! " She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner  | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... " That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner "That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions."" Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real. "Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ? | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ?" Not surprised that's your attitude really. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions."" I find this hard to believe tbh. Men who have this attitude aren’t outspoken, they’re just violent and scary. And serena acted violently towards referees many times. I have never seen any man talking like that to a referee in tennis, but I don’t watch that much tennis tbh. In football (men or women) it would be a yellow card (at least) anytime. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?"My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? Not surprised that's your attitude really. "Yeah, you didn’t answer the question, When was the last time a man lost it in a final of tennis tournament ? | |||
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"I saw her rant and felt a bit embarrassed for her. Still not sure why she was accused of cheating!! Her coach was giving tactics which is ilegal. She said she didn’t even seen it. And that every coach does it... the whole thing is kind of silly tbh... tennis is a weird sport anyway. I got lost at the dress code..."  | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off. "It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?! | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? Not surprised that's your attitude really.
Yeah, you didn’t answer the question, When was the last time a man lost it in a final of tennis tournament ?"That’s not the point. There’s plenty of men who lost it in important moments. Like zidane when he head butted marerazi in his last game. Athletes are human and can make mistakes sometimes. But when they do, they should own them. Specially if they want to be seen as role models | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?! "I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? Not surprised that's your attitude really.
Yeah, you didn’t answer the question, When was the last time a man lost it in a final of tennis tournament ?
That’s not the point. There’s plenty of men who lost it in important moments. Like zidane when he head butted marerazi in his last game.
Athletes are human and can make mistakes sometimes. But when they do, they should own them. Specially if they want to be seen as role models"Well it is the point, because they are comparing male tennis players to her and saying it’s unfair, but without backing up the claim with anything specific. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? Not surprised that's your attitude really.
Yeah, you didn’t answer the question, When was the last time a man lost it in a final of tennis tournament ?
That’s not the point. There’s plenty of men who lost it in important moments. Like zidane when he head butted marerazi in his last game.
Athletes are human and can make mistakes sometimes. But when they do, they should own them. Specially if they want to be seen as role models
Well it is the point, because they are comparing male tennis players to her and saying it’s unfair, but without backing up the claim with anything specific."Weather a specific example exists or not doesn’t make a difference. Two wrongs don’t make a right. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! " i am going to be an outlier here..... she does have a point... 1) the initial warning was that the coach was supposedly coaching her from the stands, which is not allowed, but a lot of people said it does happen and in fairly common, plus from serena's eyeline she would not have been able to see what was happening anyway.... thats why after it went up on the big scene she had the initial word with the umpire... 2) after the smashing of racket, she got the point deducted... that is fair... and common 3) the "thief" comment was probably a bad choice of words.... in the context of "you a thief because you gave me a warning you would not have given to anyone else and thus it has cost me a point" again is a valid point 4) thats when the head umpire was called and serena made the complaint that this was not being called the same way a mens match would be.... and in that aspect throughout this particular tournament you could absolutely argue that she was right! look at the lady who was penalised a point for had put on her inside out and took it off to change it, and look at the nick kyrios incident where the ump basically had to give him a pep talk! and since a lot of players have come out and backed her up... 5) the new york crowd didn't turn on her opponent, they turned on the umpire!!! and again at the end serena said it was not anything to do with her opponent | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?!
I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery."You compared women’s tennis, a non contact sport to mens boxing and MMA, you couldn’t get to more opposite examples. Not sure what snobbery has to do with it. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?!
I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery.
You compared women’s tennis, a non contact sport to mens boxing and MMA, you couldn’t get to more opposite examples. Not sure what snobbery has to do with it."They are all just professional athletes. I know tennis think they are special but there's a dark side to that sport that they don't like to talk about. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?!
I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery.
You compared women’s tennis, a non contact sport to mens boxing and MMA, you couldn’t get to more opposite examples. Not sure what snobbery has to do with it.
They are all just professional athletes. I know tennis think they are special but there's a dark side to that sport that they don't like to talk about. "Oooo! Now I'm intrigued! Do tell... | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?!
I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery.
You compared women’s tennis, a non contact sport to mens boxing and MMA, you couldn’t get to more opposite examples. Not sure what snobbery has to do with it.
They are all just professional athletes. I know tennis think they are special but there's a dark side to that sport that they don't like to talk about.
Oooo! Now I'm intrigued! Do tell..."I recommend a documentary called "girls on tour" by real stories, available for free on YouTube. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
My favourite athletes include Mike Tyson and Conor McGregor. Get back to me when she's biting his ear off.
It’s fucking tennis not boxing or MMA, surely even you can see the difference in that ?!
I don't get so say this often on fab, but wow - what snobbery.
You compared women’s tennis, a non contact sport to mens boxing and MMA, you couldn’t get to more opposite examples. Not sure what snobbery has to do with it.
They are all just professional athletes. I know tennis think they are special but there's a dark side to that sport that they don't like to talk about.
Oooo! Now I'm intrigued! Do tell...
I recommend a documentary called "girls on tour" by real stories, available for free on YouTube. "Def going to watch that. I always had a thing for sharapova, the way she screams every time she hits a ball. Idk, something there that makes me think she would wreck me in bed :P | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." I find this hard to believe tbh. Men who have this attitude aren’t outspoken, they’re just violent and scary. And serena acted violently towards referees many times. I have never seen any man talking like that to a referee in tennis, but I don’t watch that much tennis tbh. In football (men or women) it would be a yellow card (at least) anytime." I grew up hearing about it all the time. There is a reason McEnroes catchphrase is "you cannot be serious". He argued about every single point he lost, threw rackets (destroyed a few on court too). It's a double standard. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this, when was the last time a man lost it in a final ? Not surprised that's your attitude really.
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." I find this hard to believe tbh. Men who have this attitude aren’t outspoken, they’re just violent and scary. And serena acted violently towards referees many times. I have never seen any man talking like that to a referee in tennis, but I don’t watch that much tennis tbh. In football (men or women) it would be a yellow card (at least) anytime. I grew up hearing about it all the time. There is a reason McEnroes catchphrase is "you cannot be serious". He argued about every single point he lost, threw rackets (destroyed a few on court too). It's a double standard." In the 80's? Who still behaves like this? | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... That's her point as to why it's sexist though. Men are allowed to get away with that behaviour and they don't lose points, she did and did. There is an article on the BBC website that quotes Sue Barker as agreeing that it is a double standard (she also agrees that Serena overreacted). "I've sat courtside watching the men ranting at umpires and they haven't been given a violation," Barker said. "The fact that it was to be a game violation then robbed the crowd of what potentially could've been a third set." In the same article, it quotes Billie Jean King as saying, "When a woman is emotional, she's 'hysterical' and she's penalised for it. When a man does the same, he's 'outspoken' and there are no repercussions." I find this hard to believe tbh. Men who have this attitude aren’t outspoken, they’re just violent and scary. And serena acted violently towards referees many times. I have never seen any man talking like that to a referee in tennis, but I don’t watch that much tennis tbh. In football (men or women) it would be a yellow card (at least) anytime. I grew up hearing about it all the time. There is a reason McEnroes catchphrase is "you cannot be serious". He argued about every single point he lost, threw rackets (destroyed a few on court too). It's a double standard. In the 80's? Who still behaves like this?" Quite a few actually. I don't watch a lot of tennis, but just about every single male tennis match I've seen them argue with the umpires and throw racquets around when things don't go their way (and receive coaching from their coaches). | |||
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"I thought it was terrible behaviour and I'm surprised she has only been fined such a small amount. The headlines should have been about the Japanese woman winning her first ever grand slam title and i think Williams should make some sort of apology to her. Half Japanese who has lived in America since she was 3... "I didn't know that! It was still bad behaviour from Williams. | |||
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"I thought it was terrible behaviour and I'm surprised she has only been fined such a small amount. The headlines should have been about the Japanese woman winning her first ever grand slam title and i think Williams should make some sort of apology to her. Half Japanese who has lived in America since she was 3...
I didn't know that!
It was still bad behaviour from Williams."By the standards of most Japanese people, they wouldn't consider her Japanese. Even if both her parents were Japanese (dad is haitian), the fact that she's lived abroad for so long is enough for her to lose her Japaneseness in their logic. | |||
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"I thought it was terrible behaviour and I'm surprised she has only been fined such a small amount. The headlines should have been about the Japanese woman winning her first ever grand slam title and i think Williams should make some sort of apology to her. Half Japanese who has lived in America since she was 3...
I didn't know that!
It was still bad behaviour from Williams.
By the standards of most Japanese people, they wouldn't consider her Japanese. Even if both her parents were Japanese (dad is haitian), the fact that she's lived abroad for so long is enough for her to lose her Japaneseness in their logic. "Ah i hadn't realised, in that case she deserves nothing! | |||
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"She was losing at the time and just wanted to be the look at me do you know who I am..Fair play to Naomi Osaka she just played her own game and didn't get involved with the other ones theatrics.." Agreed. Williams behaved like a petulant, self-absorbed brat. It would have been appalling to watch if she were 14, let alone a supposedly mature professional. | |||
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"She was losing at the time and just wanted to be the look at me do you know who I am..Fair play to Naomi Osaka she just played her own game and didn't get involved with the other ones theatrics.. Agreed. Williams behaved like a petulant, self-absorbed brat. It would have been appalling to watch if she were 14, let alone a supposedly mature professional. " Exactly... She seems to think she’s bigger than the game so can ‘lord it about a bit’...No one is bigger than the game or any game... quite simply you’re as good as your last match..and for her this will having a lasting memory | |||
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"She was losing at the time and just wanted to be the look at me do you know who I am..Fair play to Naomi Osaka she just played her own game and didn't get involved with the other ones theatrics.. Agreed. Williams behaved like a petulant, self-absorbed brat. It would have been appalling to watch if she were 14, let alone a supposedly mature professional. Exactly... She seems to think she’s bigger than the game so can ‘lord it about a bit’...No one is bigger than the game or any game... quite simply you’re as good as your last match..and for her this will having a lasting memory" Give over. She's incredibly humble relative to how dominant she has been in the sport. She just did, what every athlete has fancied doing. The umpire, Carlos Ramos, has been criticised during matches by other top names such as Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray and Venus Williams. He doesn't seem to be very good at his job and looks like he couldn't hit a sausage out of a frying pan. | |||
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"More the point is there players make a lot of money from their sport. They are role models for younger generations and there is the problem! Today there seems to be little regard for rules - "rules apply to everyone but me"! Regardless of the past I hope the referee continues to be consistent and apply the rules and then maybe there "stars" will think twice. Look at the mess football ended up - players ganging up on refs. People need to remember no refs, no sport, no income!" Your bang on!! They seem to forget they don’t own the sport......I heard her say about the ref, like she is bigger than Tennis “you won’t ever sit up there and referee any of my games again” Like, who the hell does she think she is!! They are athletes and get paid immense sums of money - it’s about time they learned some self discipline!! Used to like her but I actually think she’s a vile woman now.....next thing she’ll be blaming is her “post partem depression”....she did that the last time she lost to garner some sympathy!! | |||
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"I’m surprised she ain’t mentioned the colour of her skin. And the umpire was racist "Yeah because 'we' all do that don't we. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts . ". That's an opinion but going off records she's not even close to Navratilova and that's before you take into account how weak the women's game has been during Williams career. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts . "That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman."You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble. "Different snippets? | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble.
Different snippets?"You can catch anyone on a bad day and try and extrapolate a trivial issue into something more. I think it's better to look at the more profound statements they make, because those are a window to their true self. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble.
Different snippets?
You can catch anyone on a bad day and try and extrapolate a trivial issue into something more. I think it's better to look at the more profound statements they make, because those are a window to their true self. "That's still taking snippets though, albeit the profound statements and not the negative ones. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble.
Different snippets?
You can catch anyone on a bad day and try and extrapolate a trivial issue into something more. I think it's better to look at the more profound statements they make, because those are a window to their true self.
That's still taking snippets though, albeit the profound statements and not the negative ones. "She's a tennis player. I think her comments about her ability to play tennis count for more than her opinion on whether Jaffa cakes are cakes or biscuits. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble.
Different snippets?
You can catch anyone on a bad day and try and extrapolate a trivial issue into something more. I think it's better to look at the more profound statements they make, because those are a window to their true self.
That's still taking snippets though, albeit the profound statements and not the negative ones.
She's a tennis player. I think her comments about her ability to play tennis count for more than her opinion on whether Jaffa cakes are cakes or biscuits. "I would too, if I was referring to her opinions on jaffa cakes in my first post | |||
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That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.". Arrogance is a winners thing. I don't hold that against her. Rudeness however is a poor human trait that most of us manage to avoid regardless of how wealthy you are. | |||
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"She's great and obviously the greatest female tennis player of all time that's undisputed . The greatest tennis players often have attitude and lose it sometimes .Shell be quickly forgiven for her outbursts .
That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman.
You can take snippets of anyones life and paint that picture. I see her as incredibly humble.
Different snippets?
You can catch anyone on a bad day and try and extrapolate a trivial issue into something more. I think it's better to look at the more profound statements they make, because those are a window to their true self.
That's still taking snippets though, albeit the profound statements and not the negative ones.
She's a tennis player. I think her comments about her ability to play tennis count for more than her opinion on whether Jaffa cakes are cakes or biscuits. "What’s the verdict, I’m saying biscuit ?! | |||
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That's unfortunate really. I've recently read some of the things she said to colleagues and officials, and it makes her appear to be an arrogant, obnoxious woman..
Arrogance is a winners thing.
I don't hold that against her.
Rudeness however is a poor human trait that most of us manage to avoid regardless of how wealthy you are."I meant arrogance as in she's arrogant enough to think she can say what she wants and get away with it. | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". " If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. " I thought being right wing, you’d love Julia Hartley Brewer ?! | |||
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"Vile, entitled, bully who shows no respect for people in positions of authority, therefore a terrible role model for developing adults. Or freedom fighter for those who identify as female? You decide! She wants to be seen as a role model and is without doubt one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever seen . Her outburst shows her true character , odious , self centered , obnoxious and a disgrace . What a shame for the winner
That's sort of a prerequisite for being an elite athlete in a mainly solo sport. I think she was wrong but i like athletes with some spunk in them. Good on her for keeping it real.
Calling an umpire a thief and a liar is keeping it real is it ?
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" I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often " Bet you two are popular down the abandoned puppy rehoming shelter | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners." I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? " Wow how condescending do you take pleasure in trying to put someone down because it looks like you do. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? " Can winners not have manners? | |||
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"I saw her rant and felt a bit embarrassed for her. Still not sure why she was accused of cheating!!" Apparently her coach was like “hand signaling” Think the umpire seen it also She also got points deducted for smashing her racket up and basically throwing a bad tantrum So it was like 3 things that happened Sure there are YouTube videos explaining exactly what and why she got points deducted. Anyway I think this match will be remembered for all the wrong reasons. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Can winners not have manners? " It's possible, I can think of some like Jon Jones. I can just think of a lot more that don't. I certainly think it's odd to prioritise manners over winning in sport. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? " Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Can winners not have manners? It's possible, I can think of some like Jon Jones. I can just think of a lot more that don't. I certainly think it's odd to prioritise manners over winning in sport. " Oh yes, winning in sport, the be all and end all. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully... She’s not a bully for this. She was a bully when she made threatened another referee with physical violence. Or you don’t think that was bullying? Nobody is perfect. I’m a great admirer of Serena, but she’s not perfect. And I don’t think she acted well in this situation, independently of weather or not the referee was correct (serena’s coach already confirmed he was trying to give tactics to the field, if she’s going to be mad about someone, should be mad at the coach because he was definitely trying to cheat weather she benefit from it or not)." I agree. There is no denying she is one of the best sports PEOPLE of our generation. Sadly though she lost her cool- probably influenced by the fact she was losing. She has a strong argument but went about in a wrong way. I feel for everyone who was involved. Hopefully massive improvements can be made as I can see her argument but strict rules should be made of aggression is directed like this. It’s not good for people to see this as ‘cool’ or acceptable. Mrs P | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully... She’s not a bully for this. She was a bully when she made threatened another referee with physical violence. Or you don’t think that was bullying? Nobody is perfect. I’m a great admirer of Serena, but she’s not perfect. And I don’t think she acted well in this situation, independently of weather or not the referee was correct (serena’s coach already confirmed he was trying to give tactics to the field, if she’s going to be mad about someone, should be mad at the coach because he was definitely trying to cheat weather she benefit from it or not). I agree. There is no denying she is one of the best sports PEOPLE of our generation. Sadly though she lost her cool- probably influenced by the fact she was losing. She has a strong argument but went about in a wrong way. I feel for everyone who was involved. Hopefully massive improvements can be made as I can see her argument but strict rules should be made of aggression is directed like this. It’s not good for people to see this as ‘cool’ or acceptable. Mrs P" I’m not doubting Williams is a great player and I can understand quite a lot of tennis players have lost there cool during a game All I said was this particular game when Williams did smash up her racket and did get points deducted. Think most people will remember this game for all the wrong reasons I was mearly using McEnroe as an example his famous “you CAN NOT be serious” moment is still remembered and shown and that was at least 35 years ago. | |||
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"McEnroe did it for years It’s such an immature thing to say tho... just because other people get away with breaking a rule doesn’t mean every one is entitled to break it... I disagree.The point here is similar behaviour elicits a whole different response. McEnroe did it for years, was patted on the head and called and enfant terrible. Williams does it and she's a terrible bully... She’s not a bully for this. She was a bully when she made threatened another referee with physical violence. Or you don’t think that was bullying? Nobody is perfect. I’m a great admirer of Serena, but she’s not perfect. And I don’t think she acted well in this situation, independently of weather or not the referee was correct (serena’s coach already confirmed he was trying to give tactics to the field, if she’s going to be mad about someone, should be mad at the coach because he was definitely trying to cheat weather she benefit from it or not). I agree. There is no denying she is one of the best sports PEOPLE of our generation. Sadly though she lost her cool- probably influenced by the fact she was losing. She has a strong argument but went about in a wrong way. I feel for everyone who was involved. Hopefully massive improvements can be made as I can see her argument but strict rules should be made of aggression is directed like this. It’s not good for people to see this as ‘cool’ or acceptable. Mrs P I’m not doubting Williams is a great player and I can understand quite a lot of tennis players have lost there cool during a game All I said was this particular game when Williams did smash up her racket and did get points deducted. Think most people will remember this game for all the wrong reasons I was mearly using McEnroe as an example his famous “you CAN NOT be serious” moment is still remembered and shown and that was at least 35 years ago." yup- you’re right | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. " Shame he is a cheat like half the other cyclists. | |||
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"From a moral stand point it was completely disrespectful and showed a lack of class to verbally attack an umpire in that way, but she shouldn’t have had the game shaved for “coaching”. Players and coaches communicate in ways you will never understand or see on tv and it’s went on for years and goes unpunished. Ramos is a poor umpire and has form of doing this in the past and it’s a massive shame to think a 20 year olds biggest achievement will be overshadowed by this incident " . It's nothing to do with Ramos and everything to do with the rules. Her coach tried to coach her during play, it doesn't matter if she's seen it or not, it's a violation that Ramos applied, then she was given a penalty for racquet abuse(quite rightly) and then she was given a penalty for verbal abuse of the umpire (absolutely) and add the rules stand 3 penalties in one game means loss of game. End of | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters . "Only way she stayed at no1 was to play the slams where the money is should of of been told to play more tournaments SHE IS A FRAUD & SHOULD OF RETIRED YEARS AGO ! | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. Shame he is a cheat like half the other cyclists." Standard comment from someone who doesn’t follow cycling and knows nothing about the sport. | |||
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. Shame he is a cheat like half the other cyclists." Oh, please tell me how you come to this conclusion and I’ll tell how you are wrong ?! | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters .
Only way she stayed at no1 was to play the slams where the money is should of of been told to play more tournaments
SHE IS A FRAUD & SHOULD OF RETIRED YEARS AGO !
"Hah ha you mean like Federer avoiding playing nadal on clay ...
Please, it's every supreme athletes right to chose only to play the big tournaments otherwise they burn out .
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"I think Julia Hartley Brewer summed Serena's petulant outburst up perfectly earlier on BBC Question Time, when she said, "She's a terrible loser and a terrible role model". If i had a daughter, I'd rather she turned out like serena Williams than Julia Hartley brewer. Just saying. I'd pick one that wasn't a sore loser. I'd pick the one that didn't lose often Sure, if winning is more important than good manners. I take it you always root for the lovable loser in films? Who Is your favourite - napoleon dynamite, Lloyd Christmas (dumb and dumber) or Mr bean? Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. Shame he is a cheat like half the other cyclists." You know he released a lot of data to show how he doesn't cheat, right? Or is that all fraudulent data? | |||
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Only way she stayed at no1 was to play the slams where the money is should of of been told to play more tournaments
SHE IS A FRAUD & SHOULD OF RETIRED YEARS AGO !
"She definitely will retire at some point Probably once her ranking plummets Same as tiger woods will definitely retire also, again once his ranking plummets and the sponsors loose interest for the next up and coming star. Maybe she’ll go onto the “seniors” tour. | |||
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"She acted like a brat. Whether the decision was Right or Wrong, there's a way of going about things and she lost it. It's not the first time and she showed her true colours. It's not a sex or race thing. It's a selfish entitled brat thing." | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams " Other people's success makes a certain type of person insecure. Some people love to be player haters. | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams " No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . | |||
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" Chris Froome, humble, exceptional manners, unassuming, 4 times Tour de France winner of the hardest sporting event on the planet. Shame he is a cheat like half the other cyclists." Is that a fact or do you read the Sun/Daily Mail? | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate ." Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? | |||
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"Surprised she didn't play the black card as well as the sexist card, or maybe this is for next time things don't go her way" Enlighten us on why she’d need to play the “black card”, as you say? And why you’d think she would? | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? Why can't she just be meek, sweet and not win anything like Anna kournikova. Then we'd all be happy. " I prefer cricket.. they are all nice and clap for each other of you score a 100 | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? " You'll have to ask those who despise her so much .Im guessing it's because she's outspoken and young and gifted . Haters gotta hate. | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? You'll have to ask those who despise her so much .Im guessing it's because she's outspoken and young and gifted . Haters gotta hate." Come on people.. spill your beans.. why do you despise her? | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams Other people's success makes a certain type of person insecure. Some people love to be player haters. "
I admire plenty of successful authors, musicians and scientists amongst other.
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I admire plenty of successful authors, musicians and scientists amongst other.
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"Surprised she didn't play the black card as well as the sexist card, or maybe this is for next time things don't go her way" Is that you playing the priveledged white bigot card? | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? You'll have to ask those who despise her so much .Im guessing it's because she's outspoken and young and gifted . Haters gotta hate." I don't despise her, like I've already said she behaved arrogantly and obnoxiously. She disrespected an official and her opponent, then used "fighting for women's rights" as a smokescreen for her outrageous behaviour. | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams Other people's success makes a certain type of person insecure. Some people love to be player haters.
I admire plenty of successful authors, musicians and scientists amongst other.
That argument is pretty lame."It takes different qualities to be an elite athlete. Your insistence on manners suggests you either don't know or don't care for the typical personality of an elite athlete. | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams Other people's success makes a certain type of person insecure. Some people love to be player haters.
I admire plenty of successful authors, musicians and scientists amongst other.
That argument is pretty lame.
It takes different qualities to be an elite athlete. Your insistence on manners suggests you either don't know or don't care for the typical personality of an elite athlete. "You didn't specify in your post that you were referring exclusively to elite athletes. I still don't think being respectful, and being an elite athlete are mutually exclusive. However, I do find it interesting that the personality traits she displayed are only apparent when they're losing, although it's possible she fights for women's rights in a similar way when she's winning  | |||
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I admire plenty of successful authors, musicians and scientists amongst other.
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women." I think if you'd called him arrogant he would have agreed, and told you it was deserved! | |||
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"Wow people feel very strongly about tennis and Serena Williams No it's just about Serena not tennis .Novak Djokovic smashed up tennis racket after tennis racket on court in a rage .Agassi called an umpire " a son of a bitch ." You'll never get a thread about a male tennis player because that's considered being passionate . Good point.. so is it because she’s a woman or she’s black? " . No it's because she was wrong and the umpire was right. If a male player had come off with the same scenario and blamed a female umpire I'm pretty sure all the cuck chaps on here would be screaming patriarchy. | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women." that’s because he is the greatest of all time but also a racist | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters . .
Yes because nobody before or after have ever got out of Compton by hard work! "Of course they did but no sisters from Compton ever owned the woman's tennis world for a decade or more like the Williams sisters their achievements are unique and the like you'll never see again soon .So to dismiss them says more about you then them . | |||
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Yes because nobody before or after have ever got out of Compton by hard work!
Of course they did but no sisters from Compton ever owned the woman's tennis world for a decade or more like the Williams sisters their achievements are unique and the like you'll never see again soon .So to dismiss them says more about you then them . "Who is dismissing her? I still think she's a great athlete. | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. that’s because he is the greatest of all time but also a racist " Can you be both? | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. that’s because he is the greatest of all time but also a racist Can you be both?" Of course. You can be a brilliant athlete and an asshole | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. that’s because he is the greatest of all time but also a racist Can you be both? Of course. You can be a brilliant athlete and an asshole " | |||
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"From a moral stand point it was completely disrespectful and showed a lack of class to verbally attack an umpire in that way, but she shouldn’t have had the game shaved for “coaching”. Players and coaches communicate in ways you will never understand or see on tv and it’s went on for years and goes unpunished. Ramos is a poor umpire and has form of doing this in the past and it’s a massive shame to think a 20 year olds biggest achievement will be overshadowed by this incident . It's nothing to do with Ramos and everything to do with the rules. Her coach tried to coach her during play, it doesn't matter if she's seen it or not, it's a violation that Ramos applied, then she was given a penalty for racquet abuse(quite rightly) and then she was given a penalty for verbal abuse of the umpire (absolutely) and add the rules stand 3 penalties in one game means loss of game. End of" I agree on every point you made. However- what I think she was trying to get across is that males in the very same competition were getting ‘away’ with their coaches coaching them. In my viewpoint her temper was very wrong but aside from this umpire sticking rightly to the correct rules- others do not. As I’ve said- she has gone about trying to prove a point about all rules being fair and not ‘sexist’ to ALL ,no matter what gender. | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women." Too true. Likewise when I come across a young girl who is developing her leadership skills she sometimes gets called ‘bossy’. Rarely do people use that term towards men... food for thought. | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. Too true. Likewise when I come across a young girl who is developing her leadership skills she sometimes gets called ‘bossy’. Rarely do people use that term towards men... food for thought." Completely untrue but let's move on. From a man that was frequently and accurately described as bossy as a boy. | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. Too true. Likewise when I come across a young girl who is developing her leadership skills she sometimes gets called ‘bossy’. Rarely do people use that term towards men... food for thought. Completely untrue but let's move on. From a man that was frequently and accurately described as bossy as a boy. " Well it can’t be completely untrue as I hear it... | |||
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"I hear the word arrogant used a lot here in this thread regarding serena. Muhammad Ali was probably the most arrogant out spoken athlete of his generation if not all time and he's viewed as the greatest of all time. I think it's one rule for men and another for women. Too true. Likewise when I come across a young girl who is developing her leadership skills she sometimes gets called ‘bossy’. Rarely do people use that term towards men... food for thought. Completely untrue but let's move on. From a man that was frequently and accurately described as bossy as a boy. Well it can’t be completely untrue as I hear it..." You hear what? Boys not being called bossy. Boys get called bossy, so do girls. Most teachers are female so they don't have an engrained interest in depriving girls of leadership opportunities. | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters . .
Yes because nobody before or after have ever got out of Compton by hard work!
Of course they did but no sisters from Compton ever owned the woman's tennis world for a decade or more like the Williams sisters their achievements are unique and the like you'll never see again soon .So to dismiss them says more about you then them .
Who is dismissing her?
I still think she's a great athlete.". So do I, she's just wrong and blaming others for her own mistakes, the very worst thing and the bit she really should apologise for is the "I'll make sure you never work in tennis again" bullshit line she came out with, the umpire was following the rules of tennis that Williams works under. | |||
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I can't think of a woman who has dominated her sport to the same extent. Not without taking steroids anyway. "Marianne Vos has, Google her. She’s dominated road cycling, mountain biking and cyclo cross. The finest cyclist of her generation by a distance. | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters .
I can't think of a woman who has dominated her sport to the same extent. Not without taking steroids anyway.
Marianne Vos has, Google her. She’s dominated road cycling, mountain biking and cyclo cross. The finest cyclist of her generation by a distance. ". He said without taking drugs! Cyclists don't count .
On a serious note she's not even the finest female tennis player never mind female athlete, she's had no real long lasting competition except maybe her sister | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters .
I can't think of a woman who has dominated her sport to the same extent. Not without taking steroids anyway.
Marianne Vos has, Google her. She’s dominated road cycling, mountain biking and cyclo cross. The finest cyclist of her generation by a distance. "Britain's own Rachel Atherton. A truly inspirational woman. | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters .
I can't think of a woman who has dominated her sport to the same extent. Not without taking steroids anyway.
Marianne Vos has, Google her. She’s dominated road cycling, mountain biking and cyclo cross. The finest cyclist of her generation by a distance. "Also (yes, copied straight from Wiki): Rebecca Jayne Romero, MBE (born 24 January 1980) is an English sportswoman, a former World Champion and Olympic Games silver medallist at rowing, and a former World champion and former Olympic champion track cyclist. | |||
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"If you want a Real Female role model Look to Jessica Ennis Hill. She has always shown real dignity and courage throughout Her career. I personally think she is Britain's greatest sportsperson. and my sport was Cycling. I think has been one of the worlds Greatest sports ambassadors and Role models for how to lead your life and deal with the up,s and downs that Sport and Life throws at us. " Can't stand her personality after the way she treated Ched Evans. Trial by social media isn't my opinion of a role model. | |||
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"I can't think of a greater sportswoman she might even be the greatest of all time .Straight outta Compton.Thats some achievement and no doubt a positive role model for all these other kids growing up in the ghetto of south central LA.I got nothing but respect for these sisters .
I can't think of a woman who has dominated her sport to the same extent. Not without taking steroids anyway.
Marianne Vos has, Google her. She’s dominated road cycling, mountain biking and cyclo cross. The finest cyclist of her generation by a distance. .
He said without taking drugs! Cyclists don't count .
On a serious note she's not even the finest female tennis player never mind female athlete, she's had no real long lasting competition except maybe her sister"You can only defeat the opponent infront of you.You belittle her ability with such absurd relativism . If Tyson was competing at the same time as Ali then Ali might not have been the greatest of all time . Serena has no equal in the last decade which says little about her opponents and much about her. | |||
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