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"seems considered if it a 1st offence and equal to possibly what others get if the roles were reversed." you reckon?.  | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!." I agree that it does seem to be a little daft that 4 people using violence against 1 should be let off. The fact that it was a 1st offence could be a contributory factor. I do take issue with the last sentence, though, if they were true christians, they would not have been attacking anyone........ | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew" but the muslims use the religion to hide behind often enough do they not?,why cry foul when it is mentioned that these in particular have enraged their elders and their religion by getting d*unk on alcohol?,unless it is the norm with younger muslims perhaps?. | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew" The words "white trash" and "white bitch" were used as they kicked her head in, so that makes it a racist attack. Would the motive have been the same for attacking this woman if her assailants and been non-white and non-muslim? Possibly, but it can be argued that religion played a role in driving the assailant's hatred of a white woman. | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. I agree that it does seem to be a little daft that 4 people using violence against 1 should be let off. The fact that it was a 1st offence could be a contributory factor. I do take issue with the last sentence, though, if they were true christians, they would not have been attacking anyone........" ooooo likes a man with a brain | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew but the muslims use the religion to hide behind often enough do they not?,why cry foul when it is mentioned that these in particular have enraged their elders and their religion by getting d*unk on alcohol?,unless it is the norm with younger muslims perhaps?." i just dont think it is relevant to the story but then i have only read your _iew on it, maybe if you posted the link to the article you read i could make a more educated reply. | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew The words "white trash" and "white bitch" were used as they kicked her head in, so that makes it a racist attack. Would the motive have been the same for attacking this woman if her assailants and been non-white and non-muslim? Possibly, but it can be argued that religion played a role in driving the assailant's hatred of a white woman." but religion is not race is it? | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew The words "white trash" and "white bitch" were used as they kicked her head in, so that makes it a racist attack. Would the motive have been the same for attacking this woman if her assailants and been non-white and non-muslim? Possibly, but it can be argued that religion played a role in driving the assailant's hatred of a white woman. but religion is not race is it?" some people do not understand that unfortunately | |||
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"Funny that this hasn't be plastered all over the news. I seem to recall the white woman on the tram hitting the TV news headlines." Whats funny about it? There are thousands of violent d*unken racist incidents every week that don't hit the news. 'Tram lady' was very much the exception. | |||
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"Funny that this hasn't be plastered all over the news. I seem to recall the white woman on the tram hitting the TV news headlines." notreally that funny - maybe that was a slow news day?? also the tra lady only made it to the news because she got cauht after it went on youtube - odd angle to make agood story have people forgotten how the media works?? its not about the story, its about the pull factor/ratings winners woman arrested after being on youtube pulls more ratings than 4 muslim get pissed and have a fight if women having a fight made the news the sunday papers would be 100 pages, full of bine drinking women out on the town | |||
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" but religion is not race is it?" The question I asked was was the four somali women's hatred driven by their victim's colour, or by their own religious _iews of white women? It's just a question, not a statement. | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew" reading through it i see the racist womens own defence lawyer brought up the fact that they were muslims and mot used to drugs nor alcohol,not the judge,not the sun,but the womens own defence lawyer. | |||
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"AND ... if you read it carefully .... it happened SEVENTEEN months ago " As I hinted....look what is happening in the courts this week....Stephen Lawrence case, Tram racist woman.... | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew reading through it i see the racist womens own defence lawyer brought up the fact that they were muslims and mot used to drugs nor alcohol,not the judge,not the sun,but the womens own defence lawyer." but thats a fact - they woudnt be used to alcohol because of their religion saying its a racially motivated attack is something entirely different | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew reading through it i see the racist womens own defence lawyer brought up the fact that they were muslims and mot used to drugs nor alcohol,not the judge,not the sun,but the womens own defence lawyer." Things that are so out of character are teken into consideration, it would be used by a lawyer if a t total white guy did the same. The way it works. | |||
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"AND ... if you read it carefully .... it happened SEVENTEEN months ago " just goes to show how busy the courts are if it takes 17 months to get this case to court. | |||
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"what i find most annoying is the need to bring their religion into it the law has no consideration to the fact that as muslims they are not allowed to drink - why mention it? when a white person attacks someone their religion is rarely stated. this is just the media trying to enrage the readership in my _iew reading through it i see the racist womens own defence lawyer brought up the fact that they were muslims and mot used to drugs nor alcohol,not the judge,not the sun,but the womens own defence lawyer. but thats a fact - they woudnt be used to alcohol because of their religion saying its a racially motivated attack is something entirely different" I used to think that until my ex ma in law informed me that they just keep it "under the table". | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!." 4 d*unk kids aged 17/17/18 and 19 attack a man in is 40's they got 7years they was all british | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. 4 d*unk kids aged 17/17/18 and 19 attack a man in is 40's they got 7years they was all british" how badly was the guy injured? | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. 4 d*unk kids aged 17/17/18 and 19 attack a man in is 40's they got 7years they was all british" It is possible to be British and another colour than white....and another religion than Christian you know. | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!." may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP? | |||
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"This has the potential to be a really good debate or one that gets closed if people can't debate like adults and resort to name calling Think before you post and keep within forum rules,if it gets you that agaitated step away from the keyboard" Bloody spoilsport,it was just getting to the interesting bit. | |||
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"tell ya what they would be in sh#t street in their own country." Do we know for sure (correct me if we do) that they are not of Somalian decent? Were they born in Somalia? Or....if they were born here, to Somalian parents....are they not in their own country? As I say, correct me if the court papers say differently... | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred." Very good post.... | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred." No, words were used "Kill the white bitch" completly different to the example you gave, yes all walks of life go out on a weekend and knock snot out of one and other, and when colour creed, race etc is used, it becomes racial, not just people having a punch up | |||
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"tell ya what they would be in sh#t street in their own country. Do we know for sure (correct me if we do) that they are not of Somalian decent? Were they born in Somalia? Or....if they were born here, to Somalian parents....are they not in their own country? As I say, correct me if the court papers say differently..." but defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court:"they're somalian muslims and drugs or alcohol isn't something thry are used to." did not say whether they were born in somalia or of somali descent. | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP?" I was just thinking the same thing.... Why are most people taking there frustrations out on other races & religion?, when its blatantly obvious the justice system & the way this country is run in general is to blame for the light sentence. Seriously you need to stop blaming other peoples skin colour &/or religion for the problems in this country try looking closer to home i.e the twats in the house of parliament | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. 4 d*unk kids aged 17/17/18 and 19 attack a man in is 40's they got 7years they was all british how badly was the guy injured?" not that bad 1 night in hospital | |||
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" No, words were used "Kill the white bitch" completly different to the example you gave, yes all walks of life go out on a weekend and knock snot out of one and other, and when colour creed, race etc is used, it becomes racial, not just people having a punch up" As opposed to "fat slag", "bald bastard", "n#'ger" etc? Seriously have you been through town on a Friday night? People when attacking other people will use venemous words that differentiate themselves from their victim (fat, thin, black, white, short, lanky etc), for a human being to continue attacking another human being there has to be a difference, as soon as you see a commanility between you and your victim, the attack would finish. In other words, the reason these criminals (and yes they are most certainly criminals) used those words, was to unite themselves against the perception of an enemy (they were black she was white, the easiest way to ensure that they all remained complicit in the attack was to unite themselves through colour, and differentiate their attacker by her colour). I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend. | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. 4 d*unk kids aged 17/17/18 and 19 attack a man in is 40's they got 7years they was all british It is possible to be British and another colour than white....and another religion than Christian you know." they was all WHITE BRITISH | |||
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"what makes me laugh is when that thread was posted about the white womans verbal racist attack on the tram everyone was baying for blood and saying how bad it was and what a low life she was when four muslim women physically attack a white woman everyones coming up with excuses for them racism is racism, you cant condemn one colour and defend another "Spot on!! | |||
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"what makes me laugh is when that thread was posted about the white womans verbal racist attack on the tram everyone was baying for blood and saying how bad it was and what a low life she was when four muslim women physically attack a white woman everyones coming up with excuses for them racism is racism, you cant condemn one colour and defend another "The OP didnt as per your 1st paragraph The OP did'nt as per your 2nd paragraph agree with your 3rd paragraph | |||
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"didnt say the OP did but reading thro the thread there are lots of people defending them by saying white people are just as bad etc yes white people are just as bad but then none white people are verbally racist too but noone put that on the tram thread
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"didnt say the OP did but reading thro the thread there are lots of people defending them by saying white people are just as bad etc yes white people are just as bad but then none white people are verbally racist too but noone put that on the tram thread
"I dont think I am defending them, more highlighting the imbalance in reporting techniques, for the life of me I cant remember a headline that said "4 Christian d*unken women attack black woman", yet I am sure as hell it has happened on numerous occasions. As for the tram lady, well I confess I have not read the story, just another bigot in a world full of them, of all colours and all religions. | |||
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"Jane.. I can count 9 people who have made excuses for this action! Or at least have defended it in some way. Some more than once! So my rhetorical question is why are they not condemning these four Somali women for a physical attack? The only answer I can think of is that we have been so brainwashed in this country with our national PC stance, that we now “positively discriminate “ for the ethnic sections of our community! Silly woman on the bus makes herself look stupid and even upsets the white people on the bus and gets arrested and vilified on this forum. Somali girls actually physically attack and injure a white woman and they get let off! Surreysensual.. you said 'everyone' in both, the OP did'nt. Just a little nit picky! I am quite sure you understood what was being said! i think statistically 'white' people are more than just as bad as is sadly borne out by the reported incidences of racially aggravated attacks. This is a post about 4 Somali women who attacked a white woman! You cannot make excuses for them by deflecting guilt and putting it on white British people! It was a sustained attack and I agree with Wishy.. If that had been Mrs R being attacked, women or not they would have needed an ambulance! Pauly… You are defending them by trying to deflect guilt like Surreysensual! for the life of me I cant remember a headline that said 4 Christian d*unken women attack black woman, yet I am sure as hell it has happened on numerous occasions. This is a particular case being discussed. I am sure there are also many instances of members of ethnic groups beating up white or other races, but that is not relevant to this thread. " I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts. What I do not like, and what I am trying to say, is that the way that this is reported is highlighting someones ethinicity and religion which very, very seldom happens in the case of other peoples racial abuse. Afterall, I have NEVER seen a "Christian attacks this or that" headline in MY LIFE, strange that, because 47.5% of the UK (according to the last census are) Christian. The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women. | |||
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"I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts." But you HAVE defended them by deflection! See below! "I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend." Not relevant to this discussion! "The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women." OK, are they Muslim... Yes! Is the word Muslim a racist comment? NO! Were they d*unk? Yes Should they have been drinking as Muslims? No! Was the fact that they were d*unk and Muslim a factor in the mentioning of their religion? IMO very likely! | |||
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"I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts. But you HAVE defended them by deflection! See below! I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend. Not relevant to this discussion! The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women. OK, are they Muslim... Yes! Is the word Muslim a racist comment? NO! Were they d*unk? Yes Should they have been drinking as Muslims? No! Was the fact that they were d*unk and Muslim a factor in the mentioning of their religion? IMO very likely! " I do not wish for an arguement, to say that Muslims cant drink is simply not true (for example Ishmali Muslims, to give you ONE sect). Them being Muslim has no relevance to either their sentance, crime, or the fact that they were d*unk, that IS deflection. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I find the press in this case deliberately highlighting the wrong aspect of this crime to sell papers | |||
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"I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts. But you HAVE defended them by deflection! See below! I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend. Not relevant to this discussion! The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women. OK, are they Muslim... Yes! Is the word Muslim a racist comment? NO! Were they d*unk? Yes Should they have been drinking as Muslims? No! Was the fact that they were d*unk and Muslim a factor in the mentioning of their religion? IMO very likely! I do not wish for an arguement, to say that Muslims cant drink is simply not true (for example Ishmali Muslims, to give you ONE sect). Them being Muslim has no relevance to either their sentance, crime, or the fact that they were d*unk, that IS deflection. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I find the press in this case deliberately highlighting the wrong aspect of this crime to sell papers" On the contrary, from what little i have read, it would appear the defence lawyer very deliberately used their "religion" to affect the sentence received. The Judge duly took account of it. The paper appears to be reporting FACT after the violent event. Happy to be corrected if wrong. | |||
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"I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts. But you HAVE defended them by deflection! See below! I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend. Not relevant to this discussion! The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women. OK, are they Muslim... Yes! Is the word Muslim a racist comment? NO! Were they d*unk? Yes Should they have been drinking as Muslims? No! Was the fact that they were d*unk and Muslim a factor in the mentioning of their religion? IMO very likely! I do not wish for an arguement, to say that Muslims cant drink is simply not true (for example Ishmali Muslims, to give you ONE sect). Them being Muslim has no relevance to either their sentance, crime, or the fact that they were d*unk, that IS deflection. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I find the press in this case deliberately highlighting the wrong aspect of this crime to sell papers On the contrary, from what little i have read, it would appear the defence lawyer very deliberately used their "religion" to affect the sentence received. The Judge duly took account of it. The paper appears to be reporting FACT after the violent event. Happy to be corrected if wrong. " Totally correct, the defence did use their religion in mitigation....however, it's not unusual for a suspended sentence to be handed out for proven charges of ABH...quite the opposite in fact, suspended sentences are very common and becoming widespread. | |||
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"I am not defending them, sorry but if you note I have called them "criminals" in a number of posts. But you HAVE defended them by deflection! See below! I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend. Not relevant to this discussion! The headline is breeding hatred of Muslims, in MY opinion, by highlighting the fact that these were not nasty vicious women attacking a defenceless woman, but nasty, vicious MUSLIM women. OK, are they Muslim... Yes! Is the word Muslim a racist comment? NO! Were they d*unk? Yes Should they have been drinking as Muslims? No! Was the fact that they were d*unk and Muslim a factor in the mentioning of their religion? IMO very likely! I do not wish for an arguement, to say that Muslims cant drink is simply not true (for example Ishmali Muslims, to give you ONE sect). Them being Muslim has no relevance to either their sentance, crime, or the fact that they were d*unk, that IS deflection. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I find the press in this case deliberately highlighting the wrong aspect of this crime to sell papers On the contrary, from what little i have read, it would appear the defence lawyer very deliberately used their "religion" to affect the sentence received. The Judge duly took account of it. The paper appears to be reporting FACT after the violent event. Happy to be corrected if wrong. Totally correct, the defence did use their religion in mitigation....however, it's not unusual for a suspended sentence to be handed out for proven charges of ABH...quite the opposite in fact, suspended sentences are very common and becoming widespread." Correct. But the previous poster was saying that their religion was irrelevant and that the media raised the matter of religion to incite the violence. Neither of which are true. | |||
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" So did the media report the matter accurately and fairly? Or is the argument that the media should have "censored" the word Muslim ( a pertinent fact )? A situation which many people find offensive as the thin edge of a big wedge. Can you imagine the uproar if they'd been gingers? " Sorry I dont understand, being Muslim was not a pertinent fact of the attack, or the crime, it was used in mitigation as a rationale as to why they were not used to alcohol, alcohol was the reason for the attack, being Muslim was not. Again, your opinion, I respect that, you think that the defendents being Muslims, was the reason they gained a lenient sentence, in truth courts are lenient to ALL cases of d*unken violence these days, why? Because the prisons are full | |||
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" The headline is from the Daily Telegraph (other daily newspapers are avilable) "Mercy for the d*unk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman" The story goes on to report.... "He" (the judge) heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. " As you quote above, the media, The Daily Telegraph reported THE COURT CASE after the event by which time a pertnent fact was the word MUSLIM. The paper reported the matter accurately. One line of debate, seperate to whether the sentence was within guidelines or too lenient, is that the factual word MUSLIM should not have been used by the paper. | |||
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" The headline is from the Daily Telegraph (other daily newspapers are avilable) "Mercy for the d*unk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman" The story goes on to report.... "He" (the judge) heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. As you quote above, the media, The Daily Telegraph reported THE COURT CASE after the event by which time a pertnent fact was the word MUSLIM. The paper reported the matter accurately. One line of debate, seperate to whether the sentence was within guidelines or too lenient, is that the factual word MUSLIM should not have been used by the paper. " I dont think we shall agree, therefore I will retire, but I maintain my opinion, as is my right | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred. Very good post...." Booom! Kills it with that 1 post. Nail. Head. On. | |||
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"what makes me laugh is when that thread was posted about the white womans verbal racist attack on the tram everyone was baying for blood and saying how bad it was and what a low life she was when four muslim women physically attack a white woman everyones coming up with excuses for them racism is racism, you cant condemn one colour and defend another "& it should be the same thruout. Not sure why religion is being brought into it at all. was it a race attack? by evidence yes. was the sentencing leniant? Absolutely most positively. Religion & ignorance is never an excuse. is this turning into "them" & "us"...? looks like it.  | |||
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"Jane.. I can count 9 people who have made excuses for this action! Or at least have defended it in some way. Some more than once! So my rhetorical question is why are they not condemning these four Somali women for a physical attack? The only answer I can think of is that we have been so brainwashed in this country with our national PC stance, that we now “positively discriminate “ for the ethnic sections of our community! Silly woman on the bus makes herself look stupid and even upsets the white people on the bus and gets arrested and vilified on this forum. Somali girls actually physically attack and injure a white woman and they get let off! Surreysensual.. you said 'everyone' in both, the OP did'nt. Just a little nit picky! I am quite sure you understood what was being said! Not nit picking at all, the poster said 'EVERYONE' and that is patently not the case. If someone posted on a thread perhaps on barebacking that you had contributed to and said 'everyone' here seems to agree its ok, Rumour you would be right to say 'not everyone'. Would you be 'nit picking'? i think statistically 'white' people are more than just as bad as is sadly borne out by the reported incidences of racially aggravated attacks. This is a post about 4 Somali women who attacked a white woman! You cannot make excuses for them by deflecting guilt and putting it on white British people! It was a sustained attack and I agree with Wishy.. If that had been Mrs R being attacked, women or not they would have needed an ambulance! It was not my intention to deflect any guilt what so ever, the sentencing argument if this thread was ever about it was only loosely referred to for his own agenda by the OP. What they did was wrong end off. What i am saying is there are far more 'reported' attacks by 'white' people on 'none white' people, its all wrong. Pauly… You are defending them by trying to deflect guilt like Surreysensual! Rumour, you are actually doing in this thread what you said i had been doing, attempting to deflect by your following paragraphs. IMHO, without being PICKY!! for the life of me I cant remember a headline that said 4 Christian d*unken women attack black woman, yet I am sure as hell it has happened on numerous occasions. This is a particular case being discussed. I am sure there are also many instances of members of ethnic groups beating up white or other races, but that is not relevant to this thread. " | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred. Very good post...." A VERY good post! | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP? I was just thinking the same thing.... Why are most people taking there frustrations out on other races & religion?, when its blatantly obvious the justice system & the way this country is run in general is to blame for the light sentence. Seriously you need to stop blaming other peoples skin colour &/or religion for the problems in this country try looking closer to home i.e the twats in the house of parliament " It's easier and more palatable for some people to blame foreigners for all their ills, rather than blame the very people they voted for to take care of their interest. Nothing new really, it's like a cheated on spouse. They'll kick off at the other party and find excuses for their cheating partner. Don't understand that mindset myself. | |||
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" The headline is from the Daily Telegraph (other daily newspapers are avilable) "Mercy for the d*unk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman" The story goes on to report.... "He" (the judge) heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. As you quote above, the media, The Daily Telegraph reported THE COURT CASE after the event by which time a pertnent fact was the word MUSLIM. The paper reported the matter accurately. One line of debate, seperate to whether the sentence was within guidelines or too lenient, is that the factual word MUSLIM should not have been used by the paper. " Ok Ok I said I was going to leave it, and to be honest, this is a little tongue in cheek but, On the BBC website yesterday, there were details of two white men (both named in the headline), accused of an arsonist attack on a mosque in Stoke on Trent. One of the defendents alibi's is that he was only fishing near by at the time of the attack. Strangely, the headline did not read "Fisherman denies arson attack on Mosque", now is the fact that he is a fisherman pertinent? Well yes if we use your logic, then as he uased the fact that he was fishing at the time, as his defence, then this is "Important" to the story, but yet the headline makes no mention of it. Perhaps because we dont wish to villify fisherman? No, because unfortunately (and I am sorry to all your riverbank huggers out there), bad fisherman do not make newspaper sales, bad Muslims however do. This time I am really retiring, but I hope you see this post as an example of what I am trying to say, whether you agree or not, thats not so important, I respect you for your opinion and you have an absolute right to it. | |||
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For me, I will continue to see good in all races, acknowledge there are bad ones across all communities. Welcome all who want to live here and contribute in a positive way.
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"Haven't read all the above posts but for my pennies worth,violence is violence, no matter what religion, race or sex. Would it have been reported in the media if all involved were white? Christian? Catholic? Humanist? Anglo Saxon? Hindu? Indian? American? French? Australian?. If they were the same creed it would have made the headlines? If they had made the attack in their country of origin, how would their authorities have dealt with it? Would it be too strong of a point of _iew to say "Bring back corporal punishment?" Maybe treat the thugs as they would be treated in their own religion/punishment if that is what they are hiding behind. " in certain circumstances and in certain places in the UK I believe they can choose to be now. (Shariah law) but that's another thread ............ | |||
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"Tell me this how many muslim woman and men have been in the same situation with white ppl? people are not different, we just choose not to carry it out... Cos if you really cared for ppl and what was being done to them - we know who the real culprit is here : DRINK Do we try and curb the laws on drink? NO. We treat it as nothing has happened and every new case that comes along make ppl more resentful about each other A major factor is ppl like drink and they would see it as a threat if there was a restriction on it. But what this reveals is this That just becasue you don't do the crim you are willing to let it happen to other ppl who can't control themselves. It's all about sacrifice. Giving up something that would illeviate the paib and suffering of some until we learn how to deal with it properly " good point. | |||
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"Tell me this how many muslim woman and men have been in the same situation with white ppl? people are not different, we just choose not to carry it out... Cos if you really cared for ppl and what was being done to them - we know who the real culprit is here : DRINK Do we try and curb the laws on drink? NO. We treat it as nothing has happened and every new case that comes along make ppl more resentful about each other A major factor is ppl like drink and they would see it as a threat if there was a restriction on it. But what this reveals is this That just becasue you don't do the crim you are willing to let it happen to other ppl who can't control themselves. It's all about sacrifice. Giving up something that would illeviate the paib and suffering of some until we learn how to deal with it properly " Drink is an inanimate object like a gun, a vase or whatever you wish to choose. It is the people that are the REAL problem and how they behave and act. | |||
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"Tell me this how many muslim woman and men have been in the same situation with white ppl? people are not different, we just choose not to carry it out... Cos if you really cared for ppl and what was being done to them - we know who the real culprit is here : DRINK Do we try and curb the laws on drink? NO. We treat it as nothing has happened and every new case that comes along make ppl more resentful about each other A major factor is ppl like drink and they would see it as a threat if there was a restriction on it. But what this reveals is this That just becasue you don't do the crim you are willing to let it happen to other ppl who can't control themselves. It's all about sacrifice. Giving up something that would illeviate the paib and suffering of some until we learn how to deal with it properly Drink is an inanimate object like a gun, a vase or whatever you wish to choose. It is the people that are the REAL problem and how they behave and act." oh, I dunno. I loved my ex. He was a sweet, romantic, modern minded and clever man. Drink turned him into a beast and not in a good way, like a complete stranger. | |||
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"Tell me this how many muslim woman and men have been in the same situation with white ppl? people are not different, we just choose not to carry it out... Cos if you really cared for ppl and what was being done to them - we know who the real culprit is here : DRINK Do we try and curb the laws on drink? NO. We treat it as nothing has happened and every new case that comes along make ppl more resentful about each other A major factor is ppl like drink and they would see it as a threat if there was a restriction on it. But what this reveals is this That just becasue you don't do the crim you are willing to let it happen to other ppl who can't control themselves. It's all about sacrifice. Giving up something that would illeviate the paib and suffering of some until we learn how to deal with it properly Drink is an inanimate object like a gun, a vase or whatever you wish to choose. It is the people that are the REAL problem and how they behave and act." You teach them but society is not teaching them how to drink properly are they? The whole point of drink is the release of it to lifes problems and stresses. people are stubborn sometimes you have to take a detour to get to your destination When a person goes for a job inter_iew - do all inter_iewees have the same experience, skills, knowledge. No : they all come with something different. So what do the employers do to the lucky person who gets the job and they are lacking in certain key skills - they TRAIN them up. Where s the training of drink in society - THERE IS NONE | |||
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"Tell me this how many muslim woman and men have been in the same situation with white ppl? people are not different, we just choose not to carry it out... Cos if you really cared for ppl and what was being done to them - we know who the real culprit is here : DRINK Do we try and curb the laws on drink? NO. We treat it as nothing has happened and every new case that comes along make ppl more resentful about each other A major factor is ppl like drink and they would see it as a threat if there was a restriction on it. But what this reveals is this That just becasue you don't do the crim you are willing to let it happen to other ppl who can't control themselves. It's all about sacrifice. Giving up something that would illeviate the paib and suffering of some until we learn how to deal with it properly Drink is an inanimate object like a gun, a vase or whatever you wish to choose. It is the people that are the REAL problem and how they behave and act. oh, I dunno. I loved my ex. He was a sweet, romantic, modern minded and clever man. Drink turned him into a beast and not in a good way, like a complete stranger." Drink is an escape and an excuse for some to act foolishly. Some drink to suppress certain emotions. | |||
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"The CCTV footage is available on a London muslims webpage. Google London Muslims Blogspot. Can't post the link as I'm not sure if it's on the allowed list. The victim's boyfriend laid a few punches himself but I have to say that if that was Siren they were attacking I'd have laid them all out stone cold. He put up a somewhat half hearted fight tbh." Same here mate! there would be a few muslim woman on liquids for the forseable future if it involved me also woman or no woman!! | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP?" lol,QPR actually!, legacy from my years in west london watching rodney marsh and stanley bowles before i escaped from the the lunacy of london to the peace & tranquility of worcestershire countryside. 
i thought i ought to bring the article to the attention of the good folk on here in the interests of fair play & equality who were baying for blood last week when a young woman threw a few verbals at a tramload of passengers,she never physically attacked anyone,never kicked anyones head in but did get held on remand and all she said were mere words!. | |||
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i thought i ought to bring the article to the attention of the good folk on here in the interests of fair play & equality who were baying for blood last week when a young woman threw a few verbals at a tramload of passengers,she never physically attacked anyone,never kicked anyones head in but did get held on remand and all she said were mere words!."Thanks for clearing it up, from the tone of your opening post I think some may have inadvertantly mistaken your opening post to be little more than a racist rant. | |||
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" No, words were used "Kill the white bitch" completly different to the example you gave, yes all walks of life go out on a weekend and knock snot out of one and other, and when colour creed, race etc is used, it becomes racial, not just people having a punch up As opposed to "fat slag", "bald bastard", "n#'ger" etc? Seriously have you been through town on a Friday night? People when attacking other people will use venemous words that differentiate themselves from their victim (fat, thin, black, white, short, lanky etc), for a human being to continue attacking another human being there has to be a difference, as soon as you see a commanility between you and your victim, the attack would finish. In other words, the reason these criminals (and yes they are most certainly criminals) used those words, was to unite themselves against the perception of an enemy (they were black she was white, the easiest way to ensure that they all remained complicit in the attack was to unite themselves through colour, and differentiate their attacker by her colour). I have seen white men and women, attacking indian/chinese, take away workers on their way home on Friday/Saturday nights, using detrimental words about their race, it happens every weekend." Just curious Pauly, but from your opener here.... As opposed to "fat slag", "bald bastard", "n#'ger" etc? why only one word censored? | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP? lol,QPR actually!, legacy from my years in west london watching rodney marsh and stanley bowles before i escaped from the the lunacy of london to the peace & tranquility of worcestershire countryside.
i thought i ought to bring the article to the attention of the good folk on here in the interests of fair play & equality who were baying for blood last week when a young woman threw a few verbals at a tramload of passengers,she never physically attacked anyone,never kicked anyones head in but did get held on remand and all she said were mere words!."mate ditch qpr lol reason i asked cos your contribution to the tram lady was one of understanding maybe even compassion and tolerance but look at your OP and its lacking the same.. put the two next to each other and thats why i asked the question... both the tram lady and the 4 attackers were wrong imho, whatever the 'provocation or mitigation'.. | |||
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"i think its disgusting........... anyone kickin anyone in the head while down on the floor should be sent down anyway... but if it was 4 white girls on 1 asian girl, they would av had the book thrown at them "You mean like the Five White lads who murdered Stephen Lawrence, simply because he was black?.....chased him down and stabbed him to death? The book thrown at them in that way? | |||
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"Lots of ppl will respond but @ the end of the day wot can u do abt it?????
For me, I will continue to see good in all races, acknowledge there are bad ones across all communities. Welcome all who want to live here and contribute in a positive way.
Leave the authorities to do what they have to do dealing with the not so good ones.
And I won't react to the media driven, forum driven bravado that brings around armchair qualified lawyers, detectives and so on. "Good 4 you.If everyone can have the same mentality as you.I guess we will find that U.K is a very good place 2 b.I got abuse all the yrs that i have been living here to the point whereby i just let it get in throu one ear n pass throu the next.So its such a nice thing to hear sumone saying this for a change. | |||
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"Have we read the case papers Did we see sight of the judges rationale in full Did we see transcripts from both legal teams Or do we base our non legal qualified judgement based on the media output... No offence to qualified lawyers on here. This is the media most threads that mention them... Is don't believe all you read in the papers "The best contribution to this discussion by far. | |||
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"I think that as far as an explanation of the event, ie., racist attack by d*unks, the story needed elaborating once it had been said the attackers were from Somalia. There seems to be a lot of violent attacks made by Somali-born people so should the debate be on the wisdom of admitting people from a bitter war zone? " So basically those that need asylum most should be turned away? | |||
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"Fair question. But the difficulties involved with placing people from a war torn small country, with violence reaching to every age and almost inherent in the population, into a country with totally different history, should not be ignored. " Look at what those 4 girsls did. Look at what goes on in every city and town across the UK every week with regards to d*unken violence. Look at what goes on in Somalia which is a different level all together. Can you see why your logic is flawed? | |||
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"Fair question. But the difficulties involved with placing people from a war torn small country, with violence reaching to every age and almost inherent in the population, into a country with totally different history, should not be ignored. Look at what those 4 girsls did. Look at what goes on in every city and town across the UK every week with regards to d*unken violence. Look at what goes on in Somalia which is a different level all together. Can you see why your logic is flawed? " . I was being economic with words to the detriment of my argument. I was thinking more of recent extremely violent unprovoked attacks while carrying out reasonably moderate crimes eg burglary. Were I in the position of applying for asylum in a Western country to escape persecution, I would hope I would be accepted and I am no hypocrite. I was asking more of a general question than being against all granting of asylum | |||
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"I think that as far as an explanation of the event, ie., racist attack by d*unks, the story needed elaborating once it had been said the attackers were from Somalia. There seems to be a lot of violent attacks made by Somali-born people so should the debate be on the wisdom of admitting people from a bitter war zone? So basically those that need asylum most should be turned away? "some would turn everyone away and yet if we re-patriated everyone with foreign jeans the country would be empty and the Celts could moved back in. | |||
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"I think that as far as an explanation of the event, ie., racist attack by d*unks, the story needed elaborating once it had been said the attackers were from Somalia. There seems to be a lot of violent attacks made by Somali-born people so should the debate be on the wisdom of admitting people from a bitter war zone? So basically those that need asylum most should be turned away?
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred." hear hear
I get into these sort of debates all the time with friends who are uneducated and think because someone told them or they read it somewhere it is gospel !!! not that any of them attend church or chapel or abstain from very much but think they have the god given right to pass judgment, look two religious references(gospel, abstain) we use in everyday language when it shows no bearing on religious teaching.
white, although ocassionally tanned scottish born and bred non religious individual here who has been to mass and sunday service in many a different church mosque happy clappers hall you name it but I firmly stand in the I am of no religion group i like to think I accept people for who the are and how they treat people individually rather than judge them by their outward appearance, country of origin or beliefs
alcohol is more the issue here which fills me with hatred, I can and do drink but do so moderately and it doesnt make me aggressive or violent maybe a little more promiscuous than normal but hey ho Im not hurting anyone, people take alcohol too lightly and although its not the best excuse it can fuel all sorts of unpredictable behavior. unless you are fully aware of the history of the case and all the facts its very easy for the media to manipulate any story, the media is the greatest of all at brainwashing people | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred. hear hear
I get into these sort of debates all the time with friends who are uneducated and think because someone told them or they read it somewhere it is gospel !!! not that any of them attend church or chapel or abstain from very much but think they have the god given right to pass judgment, look two religious references(gospel, abstain) we use in everyday language when it shows no bearing on religious teaching.
white, although ocassionally tanned scottish born and bred non religious individual here who has been to mass and sunday service in many a different church mosque happy clappers hall you name it but I firmly stand in the I am of no religion group i like to think I accept people for who the are and how they treat people individually rather than judge them by their outward appearance, country of origin or beliefs
alcohol is more the issue here which fills me with hatred, I can and do drink but do so moderately and it doesnt make me aggressive or violent maybe a little more promiscuous than normal but hey ho Im not hurting anyone, people take alcohol too lightly and although its not the best excuse it can fuel all sorts of unpredictable behavior. unless you are fully aware of the history of the case and all the facts its very easy for the media to manipulate any story, the media is the greatest of all at brainwashing people"agree alcohol is the issue here as someone previously tried to point out but was largely ignored whilst people spouted about religion, and foreigners. | |||
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"I think that as far as an explanation of the event, ie., racist attack by d*unks, the story needed elaborating once it had been said the attackers were from Somalia. There seems to be a lot of violent attacks made by Somali-born people so should the debate be on the wisdom of admitting people from a bitter war zone? So basically those that need asylum most should be turned away?
how many safe havens did they pas through before getting to this country?,and why they aim for this country?.
Are you at any point going to have the balls to admit that you are a racist?"Honestly, he doesn't need to, it really is obvious. | |||
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"Having seen the footage of this attack, it is nothing short of a miracle that the girl assaulted, despite her boyfriends best efforts to defend her, did not end up with brain damage or even worse. I find it utterly disgraceful that these people, regardless of their religion or race will not receive any jail time at all for what I am sure we would all agree was a very serious crime. The fact that their religion was used as a defence is total bullshit. The problem here is the effect this has on all the generations coming behind them, it basically sends out a message that there is no justice and that you can commit such horrific crimes and all but get away with it. To compound this even further, they showed no remorse what so ever for the attack and one of them even put on twitter that she was going out for a drink to celebrating getting off - Oh excellent, so that worked then. If anyone should be forced to sit down in front of the victims and apologise to them, its these four. The bottom line is, they could have killed her, and that could have been your kid lying there, don't forget that. A friend of mine was kicked to death in London under very similar circumstances, and the two girls only got 8 years each, (They will be out in less than half that) they tried to use alcohol as a defence there. Such incidents should make us all pause and wonder what kind of world our kids are growing up in." Every day I read or hear of terrible acts being carried out and the sentencing not seeming to fit the crime. In this country you'll get more prison time for not paying your taxes than for murder in some cases. The rich and famous use excuses to avoid penalties all the time, especially rich footballers caught speeding say. No one seems to want to highlight that, but some seem quick to jump on anything involving Muslims/foreigners. I thank you all really. As black people we're told racism in this country is dead, and we just have chips on our shoulders. Haa haa haa haa...yeah, right! Of course it is. | |||
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"I think that as far as an explanation of the event, ie., racist attack by d*unks, the story needed elaborating once it had been said the attackers were from Somalia. There seems to be a lot of violent attacks made by Somali-born people so should the debate be on the wisdom of admitting people from a bitter war zone? So basically those that need asylum most should be turned away?
how many safe havens did they pas through before getting to this country?,and why they aim for this country?.
Are you at any point going to have the balls to admit that you are a racist?
Honestly, he doesn't need to, it really is obvious."is it wrong to bring these facts to the attention of all?,and to ask questions about it?. | |||
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"incident"...u say. a young man being murdered for the colour of his skin is an incident. Fuck me. talk about being flippant. guess we know you have nailed your colours to which mast. OhMyDays..!!! tis you my friend trying to trivialise not me!. police get called out to car crashes,house break-ins,industrial accidents,murders,all are logged as incidents,fire crews get called out to housefires,car crashes,industrial accidents,all are logged as incidents,troops in afghanistan are in involved in IED incidents. listen up!." Behave yourself fella. At least have the balls to come out & admit how you truly feel. why hide behind a keyboard. Back track all you want.you're generalizing with that post...but you quoted something specific prior to that. & it was asked before.... what 'industry' were u referring to? | |||
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"The CCTV footage is available on a London muslims webpage. Google London Muslims Blogspot. Can't post the link as I'm not sure if it's on the allowed list. The victim's boyfriend laid a few punches himself but I have to say that if that was Siren they were attacking I'd have laid them all out stone cold. He put up a somewhat half hearted fight tbh. Same here mate! there would be a few muslim woman on liquids for the forseable future if it involved me also woman or no woman!! "If the boyfriend had of waded into them and given them a good hiding, as I would have done, it would be interesting to see what sentence he would have received, first offence or not! R | |||
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" Every day I read or hear of terrible acts being carried out and the sentencing not seeming to fit the crime. In this country you'll get more prison time for not paying your taxes than for murder in some cases. The rich and famous use excuses to avoid penalties all the time, especially rich footballers caught speeding say. No one seems to want to highlight that, but some seem quick to jump on anything involving Muslims/foreigners. I thank you all really. As black people we're told racism in this country is dead, and we just have chips on our shoulders. Haa haa haa haa...yeah, right! Of course it is. " racism is not dead in this country, where i live theres a big BNP following and on my estste the council homes a black family who they very quickly had to re home as they was getting their home attacked all the time, gangs of teenage kids would walk by their house and throw bricks thro their windows and spay abuse on their house and this was this year im not going back years but also theres a big asian community about half a mile from me where they would never house white or black families for the very same reason, they would not be welcome, you cant even walk thro there without getting abuse, again mainly by the teenagers, the shops wont even serve you if you go in and are not asian racism is alive and kicking in all walks of life in 2011 and sadly it always will be, its upto us to educate our children to break this chain but some just dont seem to want to | |||
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"Did they call her "White Christian Trash"....or...."White Christian Bitch"?" lol.... | |||
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"Not to derail your thread, but literally thousands of whire, British "Christian" women, of a certain age in provincial towns every friday and saturday night, become intoxicated, attack anything that moves and generally behave like a disgrace. The same "christian" people that, do not have sex before marriage, attend church every sunday..... Do you see where I am going with this? I have worked in Muslim countries, and some of them drink, partly because like the Bible, the Quran is open to interpretation, the verse that forbids drink, actually forbids being d*unk during prayer (after Mohammad's, peace be upon him) discovery of d*unken people in the mosque on a friday. So in all walks of life we get good and bad people, whatever their class religion, nationality or status. There are numerous cases of "white" people, beting the shite out of each other on a friday night, only to receive a suspended sentance, this is not unusual, it is how this country works. I am not a Muslim, or a Christian, and I actually think, the religion of these women has no relationship to the crime they commited, just another example of the press breeding hatred." You could not have said this better. Seasons greetings, merry Crimbo & lots of fun for 2012 | |||
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"have got home from work and am sat reading todays newspaper and just read in disbelief about the 4 d*unken muslims who performed a racist attack on young white woman,they yelled "white bitch" and "white slag" attacking her forcing her to the ground where they started kicking her in the head and pulling clumps of hair from her head as her boyfriend tried to get them off her!. defence lawyer gary short told leicester crown court that the women were somalian muslims and were not used to drugs or alcohol, the judge who could have sentenced them to 5 years in jail for this attack said "said those who knock someone to the floor and then kick them in the head can expect to go inside,but i am going to suspend the sentence"each of the four got a six month suspended jail terms. i just cannot believe that senile judge at all,the womens religion forbids them from drinking alcohol in the first place,and once they have had drink in them they have opened up to their true feelings about the white hosts in this country and physically and verbally attacked this poor woman on her way home!. i wonder what he would say if it had been white christian women attacking muslims?,the country would have been in uproar and police stations would have been beseiged by so called "communuty leaders" venting their bile at the polie force for not protecting their women!. may i ask if you are in the EDL or BNP? I was just thinking the same thing.... Why are most people taking there frustrations out on other races & religion?, when its blatantly obvious the justice system & the way this country is run in general is to blame for the light sentence. Seriously you need to stop blaming other peoples skin colour &/or religion for the problems in this country try looking closer to home i.e the twats in the house of parliament " Well said bro. | |||
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"I couldn't give a toss what colour creed religion these pieces of trash, shit, effluent were They should have got at least ten years with no parole Until this snivelling pandering victim hating judicial system in this country gets a fucking backbone and stop pandering to the do gooding I'm better / know better than you brigade we've all got bob hope " Can you tell me about a regime where heavy sentances are an active deterrent to crime? | |||
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"I couldn't give a toss what colour creed religion these pieces of trash, shit, effluent were They should have got at least ten years with no parole Until this snivelling pandering victim hating judicial system in this country gets a fucking backbone and stop pandering to the do gooding I'm better / know better than you brigade we've all got bob hope Can you tell me about a regime where heavy sentances are an active deterrent to crime?" Can you tell me the softly softly approach has worked? | |||
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