FabSwingers.com forum: Is the sentence ‘Women don’t have penises’ offensive?

By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

Most people probably won’t be aware of this but recently there have been a spate of pink penis shaped stickers being put up with that sentence on them. It started in Liverpool, including Anthony Gormley’s male statues. The police and mayor have condemned it as ‘transphobic’ and a hate crime, and are looking to prosecute the people behind it.

This to me, is ridiculous as it’s just stating a basic fact. Wondered what the open minded peeps on Fab thought about it...?

Especially interested in views from trans folk on here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ridiculous! So would stickers saying bald men have no hair" also be offencve?

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

Exactly!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I can think of some formuites who will be triggered by that sentence. They'll come, they always do

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By *retty womanWoman
over a year ago

Near Bournemouth

"Ridiculous! So would stickers saying bald men have no hair" also be offencve?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is offensive

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

I suppose it’s to make you think in the context of the women who DO have penis’. Women, who are trans and living as women with a penis they do not want but currently may not have the means or finances to change.

It is offensive.

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By *imandHerNottsCouple
over a year ago

North Notts

Only the fact the plural of penis is actually penes bothers me lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can think of some formuites who will be triggered by that sentence. They'll come, they always do "
It's like honey to bees just like the political threads

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

"It is offensive "

Can you say why you think it’s offensive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is offensive "
I don't find it offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a fact, not offensive

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Some people will find it offensive, and I think the people making the stickers intend for it to offend people.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I would like to think it is an ill thought out media campaign, as things like this start out but get twisted by someone for their own gains.

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By *retty womanWoman
over a year ago

Near Bournemouth

"Its a fact, not offensive"

True.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I wonder which part of the community these stickers came from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suppose it’s to make you think in the context of the women who DO have penis’. Women, who are trans and living as women with a penis they do not want but currently may not have the means or finances to change.

It is offensive. "

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By *un Mike 2019Man
over a year ago

Bristol

It is offensive. "

This. I think the OP is thinking of gender as being a binary deal but on the psychological level, it’s much more fluid, as is sexuality now. The more we know and understand, the fuzzier the old lines are and I’m hoping soon they’ll not be there with the next generation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is offensive. "

I wondered why it would be offensive but this explains it.

I think it's incredibly childish of them to go to all the effort of getting stickers made and sticking them all over the place.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Its a fact, not offensive

True."

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most people probably won’t be aware of this but recently there have been a spate of pink penis shaped stickers being put up with that sentence on them. It started in Liverpool, including Anthony Gormley’s male statues. The police and mayor have condemned it as ‘transphobic’ and a hate crime, and are looking to prosecute the people behind it.

This to me, is ridiculous as it’s just stating a basic fact. Wondered what the open minded peeps on Fab thought about it...?

Especially interested in views from trans folk on here! "

The phrase itself is not offensive, but the reason behind putting it on stickers displayed in public places probably is.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's also untrue to a certain extent - I know women who've had lots of penises/penes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely whether some of us find it offensive or not is moot? It's not targeted at people who are comfortable in their own sex. It's targeted at transgender people who identify themselves as female, despite being born with male parts. I would have thought that anything that targets this specific group, in order to point out that they have no right to call themselves this, because they are of a different biological sex, would in fact be deemed as transphobic and therefore offensive to their target group. Or am i missing something here?

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

This is a recent article on it, written by a gay man. Not sure if it’s ok to post links on the forum, but here you go!

https://medium.com/@JonnnyBest/stick-em-up-f04491fc7804

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By *offee with MilkCouple
over a year ago

Over the roundabout and then turn right.

It's very offensive. It takes immense bravery for trans people to be themselves. I seriously doubt the perpetrators have a fraction of that kind of courage.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?"

The group behind the stunt, Liverpool ReSisters, says it is formed of women from the city who are unhappy about the right of transgender people born as men to identify as female, which they see as a "hostile takeover of what it means to be a woman".

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female.

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

But if any man can become a woman just because they don’t feel comfortable being a man, what does the word woman mean any more?

And don’t women have the right to have sex segregated spaces, for their own safety?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I wonder which part of the community these stickers came from? "

Women who don't want trans people in women only spaces

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female."

They have a website on wordpress. Interesting site.

I'm now unsure about my earlier 'childish' comment about the stickers now I've read what they have to say.

I do agree with the self ID/ safe spaces issue.

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"But if any man can become a woman just because they don’t feel comfortable being a man, what does the word woman mean any more?

And don’t women have the right to have sex segregated spaces, for their own safety?"

I don’t think a ‘chick with a dick’ using the same loo, or any other female specific space, is going to be any kind of threat to women

Or am I missing something??

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female.

They have a website on wordpress. Interesting site.

I'm now unsure about my earlier 'childish' comment about the stickers now I've read what they have to say.

I do agree with the self ID/ safe spaces issue. "

Nothing wrong with changing your mind when you get new information

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female.

They have a website on wordpress. Interesting site.

I'm now unsure about my earlier 'childish' comment about the stickers now I've read what they have to say.

I do agree with the self ID/ safe spaces issue. "

Wtf, are trans people unsafe?! Did I miss the memo?

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

What sort of cunt would put up stickers. What do they think this is the 70’s. Cowards.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female."

Thanks for clearing that up. All I knew about this was the original post.

In that case, yes it is offensive. Not to me personally and I'm not getting offended on others behalf. The reason behind it is offensive to some, so that should be enough.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

women dont have a penis co theyre from venus

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female.

Thanks for clearing that up. All I knew about this was the original post.

In that case, yes it is offensive. Not to me personally and I'm not getting offended on others behalf. The reason behind it is offensive to some, so that should be enough."

Well group A feels threatened by group B and so they are provoking group B to get the issue into public debate. Unless we can say that group A has no reasonable basis to feel threatened, then it's rather complicated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?

Liverpool ReSisters claims it is not "anti-trans" but "pro-women and children" and insists its campaign is aimed at protecting safe spaces for women who were born female.

They have a website on wordpress. Interesting site.

I'm now unsure about my earlier 'childish' comment about the stickers now I've read what they have to say.

I do agree with the self ID/ safe spaces issue.

Wtf, are trans people unsafe?! Did I miss the memo? "

Have you looked at their website? They aren't against trans people.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"But if any man can become a woman just because they don’t feel comfortable being a man, what does the word woman mean any more?

And don’t women have the right to have sex segregated spaces, for their own safety?

I don’t think a ‘chick with a dick’ using the same loo, or any other female specific space, is going to be any kind of threat to women

Or am I missing something??

I'm assuming the worry is that a man dresses up as a woman, says that they identify as being female to gain access to the safe space and attack them.

It's one of the arguments used in America when trans kids want to use a different bathroom (to use their term) in schools and aren't allowed.

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

The reason why some women are worried about this, is because of the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act, which means that basically any man who decides they want to be a woman, can identify as such. Previously there was quite a lengthy process to go through.

Women are not concerned about genuine transsexuals, but about the opportunity this gives to men with nefarious motives, who see this as an opportunity to enter women’s spaces and abuse vulnerable women. This includes women’s prisons and refuges.

There have already been a few cases of this and women are rightly worried about it. They are not transphobic but wanting to protect hard won rights for women.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I don't find it offensive. I just think it is rude.

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"But if any man can become a woman just because they don’t feel comfortable being a man, what does the word woman mean any more?

And don’t women have the right to have sex segregated spaces, for their own safety?

I don’t think a ‘chick with a dick’ using the same loo, or any other female specific space, is going to be any kind of threat to women

Or am I missing something??

I'm assuming the worry is that a man dresses up as a woman, says that they identify as being female to gain access to the safe space and attack them.

It's one of the arguments used in America when trans kids want to use a different bathroom (to use their term) in schools and aren't allowed."

The thing is though, a sexual preditor is always going to be a sexual preditor regardless of what they identify as.

I doubt that there will be an increase of sexual offences because of the acceptance of trans genders and allowing them to use the facilities appropriate to what they identify as.

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

That’s not a great argument for opening up women’s previously safe spaces to men though, is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That’s not a great argument for opening up women’s previously safe spaces to men though, is it? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I don't find it offensive. I just think it is rude."

I don't think there's any reasonable inference of increased risk to women from people who undergo gender reassignment surgery being in their spaces. I do see a problem with putting anyone who "feels like a woman" into the same category as people who undergo gender reassignment surgery.

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"That’s not a great argument for opening up women’s previously safe spaces to men though, is it? "

*sigh* if a man wants to sexually assault a women he is going to do it, regardless of what has been put into place for trans people

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"That’s not a great argument for opening up women’s previously safe spaces to men though, is it?

*sigh* if a man wants to sexually assault a women he is going to do it, regardless of what has been put into place for trans people

If someone wants to hack your emails then they'll find a way. Still a good idea to have a strong password.

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over a year ago

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

This risk, sadly, is always going to be there and it just makes me sad that a trans women, who still has a functioning penis for whatever reason, would have to be forced to use a space specifically for men where they would be at much greater risk of abuse and/or assault. Trans women would be SAFER in a female space but a certain group wants to remove that from them. What about their safety?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its amusing and very honest, should stir up the Trannyvestites of Great Brittania League and their Presidentess Dame Tranzi Trotter, maybe get them to tuck their willies tighter into their pantaloons a bitty more when out and about...

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

I have no issues with genuine transsexuals who pose no threat to women, but there have already been cases of men who have been transferred to women’s prisons assaulting women, men in women’s homeless shelters assaulting women, men beating women in women’s sports, having self identified as women, and personally I feel very uneasy about it.

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

It is offensive as it's obviously aimed at transgenders, who else could it possibly be aimed at.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

This is the other side of the argument that I was going to bring up.

This is the reason they want to be allowed access to their chosen gender safe areas (I'm leaving that one ambiguous as there are f to m).

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason. "

But what about the people who identify as women. A ‘man’ dressed as a women, with penis intact, possibly already starting hormone therapy, physically looks like a women (apart from the penis) and they have to go into a men’s public loo- that is dangerous territory. Would the same person make you feel unsafe if they walked into a women’s loo?

Forget about the fact that this generation is (usually) more understanding, and mostly accepting, of trans people, a man could always dress as a woman, walk into a public loo and assault a women regardless of the support for trans society.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no issues with genuine transsexuals who pose no threat to women, but there have already been cases of men who have been transferred to women’s prisons assaulting women, men in women’s homeless shelters assaulting women, men beating women in women’s sports, having self identified as women, and personally I feel very uneasy about it. "

Agree.

It feels like the group are trying to protect women and trans women too.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please? "

You’re just being padantic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it heck as like. But some people can be offended if the wind is blowing the wrong way these days.

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please? "

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

Actually, this person tried to do exactly that!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5544173/amp/Argentinian-man-legally-changes-gender-retire-earlier.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic. "
pedantic

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Agree.

It feels like the group are trying to protect women and trans women too. "

I have a trans friend, m2f, and the process before you become eligible for transition is long. I believe you have to dress as your self-assigned gender for a while before they will consider any treatment. So, in that time which public toilet (as one example) should they use? The one according to the gender on their birth certificate, or the one which they are dressed as?

I'm not denying it's not a difficult situation. There are some solutions. For prisons there should be a wing for trans, even if it's at one prison (that would possibly mean 8 wings required). The same could be said for homeless shelters and refuges. I don't believe that trans people are allowed to compete as their self-assigned gender until they have completed their transition.

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic. pedantic

Meh, I’ve had wine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree.

It feels like the group are trying to protect women and trans women too.

In all the Jails I been in Trans were treated ok by the Cons, they gave as good as they got and they thrived on the attention...

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By *ivinefox OP Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

Agree.

It feels like the group are trying to protect women and trans women too.

Yes that was the case in the past, but the current proposals will mean that any man who feels that they are a woman can say they are and it will be illegal to challenge it. Many organisations are trying to get ahead of the law and are already implementing this. As I’ve said I have absolutely no issues with genuine transsexuals but my concern is with men who may take advantage of this to abuse vulnerable women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic. pedantic

Ironic

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Trans women have been using female facilities for ever and day.

Previously, they were referred to as pre-op and post-op transexuals.

No-one batted and eyelid.

Along comes the term transgender and everyone can fit under the same umbrella.

That's cool.

But the definition no longer involves aspiring to live a life without male genitalia.

It becomes nebulous.

And opens up the argument about what lies twixt the two genders or two sexes.

If someone with male genitalia wants to be a perv in a female toilet space, or worse, i suspect there are easier ways than going through the process of legally changing your gender.

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

"Trans women have been using female facilities for ever and day.

Previously, they were referred to as pre-op and post-op transexuals.

No-one batted and eyelid.

Along comes the term transgender and everyone can fit under the same umbrella.

That's cool.

But the definition no longer involves aspiring to live a life without male genitalia.

It becomes nebulous.

And opens up the argument about what lies twixt the two genders or two sexes.

If someone with male genitalia wants to be a perv in a female toilet space, or worse, i suspect there are easier ways than going through the process of legally changing your gender.

Yes!!

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Agree.

It feels like the group are trying to protect women and trans women too.

My understanding is that the proposal is about legally changing their gender on their birth certificate and making that whole process easier, not to make it illegal to deny someone who is self-identified to gain access to a woman's refuge (for one example).

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic. "

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology is

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over a year ago

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology is"
is everyone wrong but you I wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To me if you say gender is only a physical thing and not the mind, then illness can only be physical and mental health doesnt exsist.

Intersex people is where in development it messes up the gender physically. So why would the mind not get messed up with gender too?

If your brain is transplanted into the body of the opposite sex, do you think you would suddenly think and act like the opposite sex?

Male a d female minds have significant differences that are typical of their gender, differences we are born with not influenced by upbringing.

So why cant the wrong mind be in the wrong body?

It is offensive as they are saying gender is only physical and ignoring our minds

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

If they are doing it just to make a point that trans people are not women, then I wouldn't go as far as saying it offends me, but I would call them a bunch of inbred fuckheads for thinking they were making some sort of point.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works

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over a year ago

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works"
you've got Google on your side and I don't have the energy for your long winded desitations

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works"

In your case, you would legally be able to change your gender (I'm assuming it is the male half posting), but you are not able to change your age. Transpeople are not denying that they were born on the correct day, just that they were born into the body of a different gender. Depending on your age, you may get to retire a couple of years earlier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question was is that sentence offensive........ Quite simply no its not...... But anything can be read with a negative bias

I don't like the colour of your hair....... A negative person sees that as an insult

But the person saying it loved her previous colour and is her hairdresser.

The stickers aren't meant as an insult they are purely saying " women don't have a penis " they don't fact of course in the light of transsexuals one has to consider what facilities they use and some women not all see it as a problem and how should they not have a voice, well how should they not...... We have freedom of speech in this country, also we have the freedom to change your sexuality both valid reasons and I'm sure both sides will protest but the plain fact is the sentence isn't offensive

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By *J8929Man
over a year ago

london

It’s not offensive, anyone who is offended by it is in a major minority.

And if we’re honest it is absolutely crazy to think anyone with a penis is a women.

Each to there own, so or be whoever u want, but to be offended basically we should just not care if there offended, tough titty, facts r facts regardless how social justice u want to get about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything is offensive to some idiot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ridiculous! So would stickers saying bald men have no hair" also be offencve?"

Excuse me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everything is offensive to some idiot!"

Tell me about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we pander too much to minorities in this country, much to the detriment of the majority...

Nowadays we have Priviliged minorities and Under priviliged majorities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up..this is just bullshit

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works

I'm afraid the objection isn't to people who have legally changed their gender. People that have gone through the extensive and prolonged process of legally changing their gender, aren't a threat. Let's be honest, nobody is going through a ~2 year process to make it easier to attack women. The objection is to the idea that I make a statement "i identify as" and two seconds later I'm granted all the protections of that group. Which were granted for a reason. As a man, I will say that some men are fucking animals and women do need protection from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a fact, not offensive

True.

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive."

Ummm. When has it ever been the case that a fact categorically cannot be offensive?!

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By *J8929Man
over a year ago

london

"Its a fact, not offensive

True.

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive.

Ummm. When has it ever been the case that a fact categorically cannot be offensive?! "

A fact can be offensive, it’s a fact a lot of women put importance on a mans height for instance.

However, it’s still a fact, so guess just tough titty, deal with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a fact, not offensive

True.

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive.

Ummm. When has it ever been the case that a fact categorically cannot be offensive?!

A fact can be offensive, it’s a fact a lot of women put importance on a mans height for instance.

However, it’s still a fact, so guess just tough titty, deal with it"

You appear to have missed the fact that I was saying that a fact *can* be offensive, so you just agreed with me.

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By *J8929Man
over a year ago

london

"Its a fact, not offensive

True.

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive.

Ummm. When has it ever been the case that a fact categorically cannot be offensive?!

A fact can be offensive, it’s a fact a lot of women put importance on a mans height for instance.

However, it’s still a fact, so guess just tough titty, deal with it

You appear to have missed the fact that I was saying that a fact *can* be offensive, so you just agreed with me.

I was agreeing with u.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a fact, not offensive

True.

It's 2018. Facts can be offensive.

Ummm. When has it ever been the case that a fact categorically cannot be offensive?!

A fact can be offensive, it’s a fact a lot of women put importance on a mans height for instance.

However, it’s still a fact, so guess just tough titty, deal with it

You appear to have missed the fact that I was saying that a fact *can* be offensive, so you just agreed with me.

I was agreeing with u. "

I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a valid point and a valid concern, that a minority of twisted individuals might use transgender acceptance as a disingenuous way to give themselves more opportunities to abuse and assault vulnerable others.

This sticker campaign though, does come across as a divisive and offensive way of expressing such concerns. Surely the target should be sex offenders and misogyny in general, not transgender people as a group, and the way these stickers are phrased does not reflect that at all in my eyes.

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"It's a valid point and a valid concern, that a minority of twisted individuals might use transgender acceptance as a disingenuous way to give themselves more opportunities to abuse and assault vulnerable others.

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

"
but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

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over a year ago

Since I'm a woman and I DON'T have a penis (although, luckily I have access to one or two on here

) I don't think it's even a tiny bit offensive.

Seems today people are always looking for something to be offended about and I really don't see why.

Just live your life and quit worrying about everything else ... Unless someone is being genuinely offensive about you

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question "

So you don't find the campaign behind the stickers offensive?

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

So you don't find the campaign behind the stickers offensive?"
I think it's always going to be a problem, our society created the need to have separate toilets, changing rooms etc for men and women, unfortunately it's always the minority that dictate changes to that premise, if we didn't have pervs, sex pests and unsavoury people then the need to have separate facilities wouldn’t exist in certain parts of Europe they don't separate but here they do and unfortunately nothing can be done presently about that fact, the wording on that sticker irrespective of the campaign behind it isn't offensive

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

So you don't find the campaign behind the stickers offensive?I think it's always going to be a problem, our society created the need to have separate toilets, changing rooms etc for men and women, unfortunately it's always the minority that dictate changes to that premise, if we didn't have pervs, sex pests and unsavoury people then the need to have separate facilities wouldn’t exist in certain parts of Europe they don't separate but here they do and unfortunately nothing can be done presently about that fact, the wording on that sticker irrespective of the campaign behind it isn't offensive "

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"So we should ostracise a particular group because a man may, or may not, dress up as a women to take advantage of women?

What about the safety of women? There are sex segregated spaces for women for a good reason.

Although, I feel my posts are futile as you’ve made your mind up, and my comments won’t make any difference.

I identify as a 70 year old woman, can i claim state pension please?

You’re just being padantic.

No I'm just proving how logically inconsistent your ideology isis everyone wrong but you I wonder?

If you know I'm wrong then all you have to do is point out the logical contradictions... that's sort of how debating works

As someone stated above, if a man wanted to go into a public toilet dressed as a woman to attack a woman, there is no stopping him.

As I said in another post on this thread, the legislation is to make it so they can legally change their gender at the start of the process, not the end of the process. It is not so that someone can say "I identify as a woman, give me access to this safe space". Only those with a legal gender change would be able to access the safe areas.

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change."
why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Its a fact, not offensive

True."

Facts can be offensive though depending his they are used.

I'm fat....thats a fact. Not offensive. Call me a fat cunt and it becomes offensive.

The fact being discussed here isn't necessarily offensive when viewed in isolation but it depends on who is using it and who it is aimed at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're in an era of snowflakes and SJWs (social justice warriors) Careful, what you say could KILL ssomeon!!!

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it "

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it "

Gender isn’t binary, just as sexuality isnt. If you observe the statement from a binary view then it’s factual and correct, from the other side it’s inflammatory and antagonistic.

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over a year ago

"We're in an era of snowflakes and SJWs (social justice warriors) Careful, what you say could KILL ssomeon!!!

That refrain is usually reserved for the offensive and the bigoted

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"We're in an era of snowflakes and SJWs (social justice warriors) Careful, what you say could KILL ssomeon!!!

Actually it could. Either by being beaten up because someone isn't tolerate of others. Or it could cause people to commit suicide by the nasty comments being made. If you are lucky, they might just take themselves out, or (in extreme circumstances) they might decide to take others out with them.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple
over a year ago

North west ish

....other news in - water is wet......back to the studio for more idiotic shite.

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over a year ago

"We're in an era of snowflakes and SJWs (social justice warriors) Careful, what you say could KILL ssomeon!!!

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"This to me, is ridiculous as it’s just stating a basic fact. Wondered what the open minded peeps on Fab thought about it...?

Especially interested in views from trans folk on here! "

Personally I don't find it offensive as it is an ignorant statement. It's like saying "All Swans are White" or "All women can have babies". To some women that is a judgement that they are really not real women if they can't conceive... Totally ignorant.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female."

Those terms are post modernist nonsense and the people who use them don't properly believe in them. As exposed by my pension example earlier. There are two genders, they exist on a spectrum of behaviour. People with your views are the ones implying there's something wrong with people who might be near the middle of that spectrum.

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

You’re making a number of assumptions and suppositions based upon your own opinion and trading that as fact in that statement. You can’t extrapolate what I’m thinking what others are thinking or ‘people like me’ from your thought process. I also didn’t agree with your ‘nth degree’ pension example either...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

Your opinions trace back to a wider ideology that anyone can find and research for themselves. You didnt come up with these ideas by yourself.

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over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

Your opinions trace back to a wider ideology that anyone can find and research for themselves. You didnt come up with these ideas by yourself."

Again; assumptions about what I’m thinking or what my views are based upon a google search.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Irrespective of whether the offended self identifies as a woman and has access to safe spaces for women to commit attacks, the punishment for those committing the assaults has to be a deterrent.

However if a man self identifies as a woman, attacks another woman, claims to be lesbian, you will guarantee that the offenders lawyer will use every trick in the book to get them off the hook.

Draconian measures and deterrents, including harsh punishments are the way ahead. This country is fucked when you can you get more time in nick for stealing jewelry than you do fir destroying lives.

Cut their balls off I say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female."
I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

As to whether or not the stickers are offensive,I think the intent is more relevant than what they actually said.I believe they were intended to offend,maybe to spark a debate but mainly to offend those who consider themselves female but who have a penis.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels"

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

*there are

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

"we pander too much to minorities in this country, much to the detriment of the majority...

Nowadays we have Priviliged minorities and Under priviliged majorities"

I like you ... you talk sense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable."

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend. "

I struggled to find the website, without posting a link, what can I search to find it? Just searching their name came up with all news stories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend. "

I do think that was potentially the intent, however I also think it’s a very clumsy way of going about what is a very complex subject. If it’s about concern for sexual predators then surely there are other ways of provoking the discussion and voicing concerns than stickers with such a loaded sentiment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend.

I struggled to find the website, without posting a link, what can I search to find it? Just searching their name came up with all news stories"

Yeah Google doesn't find it.

I clicked on the Mumsnet discussion and the link is in there. The first link doesn't work but the one further down the thread does.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Quote from the group;

Today, proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act towards “self-indentification” threaten the legal status of the category “sex”, which is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010, and provides the legal basis for the exclusion of males from female-only spaces for the safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls. Sex, which refers to the category each person belongs to on the basis of their reproductive organs, is a protected characteristic because sexism is directed at women because of their reproductive sex, not because of their “gender identity”.

Gender is not innate; it is a set of socially constructed norms designed to oppress people of both sexes, and enforce the inequality between the sexes. We look forward to a world where every person’s body is affirmed and respected, and nobody feels constrained, oppressed or confined by a gender identity or gender role.

Our stickers are aimed at raising awareness of the potential threat to sex-based rights and women’s rights from the proposed changes. Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces.

Clearly it's self identification they have an issue with, not people who undergo gender reassignment surgery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quote from the group;

Clearly it's self identification they have an issue with, not people who undergo gender reassignment surgery. "

Clearly it is violence against women that they have an issue with.That is already illegal and there are no plans to change that law,surely.

I may be wrong but,I don't believe it is actually illegal for any person to go into,eg, toilets for the opposite sex. There are, however,laws that govern behaviour in those loos.

I've been trying very hard,but failing,to imagine a way in which a sexual predator could take advantage of the propsed changes to the GRA. Just dressing up would not be enough of a disguise or cover for their nefarious activities,would it? Likely to draw attention to them if anything.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Quote from the group;

Clearly it's self identification they have an issue with, not people who undergo gender reassignment surgery.

Clearly it is violence against women that they have an issue with.That is already illegal and there are no plans to change that law,surely.

I may be wrong but,I don't believe it is actually illegal for any person to go into,eg, toilets for the opposite sex. There are, however,laws that govern behaviour in those loos.

I don't find it hard to think of them. Men have dressed up in burkas to carry out terrorist attacks before. Some men are animals and will use anything they can to get what they want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend.

Quite often people attempt to provoke discussions in clumsy ways or ones that can actually fail to start from a neutral place but belie their true intent/bias whether conscious or unconscious. You see it on threads in fab as well as in stunts like this.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"Quote from the group;

Clearly it's self identification they have an issue with, not people who undergo gender reassignment surgery.

Clearly it is violence against women that they have an issue with.That is already illegal and there are no plans to change that law,surely.

I may be wrong but,I don't believe it is actually illegal for any person to go into,eg, toilets for the opposite sex. There are, however,laws that govern behaviour in those loos.

Now that makes perfect sense.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend.

You're the first to complain when people make statements that assume your thoughts. Evidently not a standard you hold yourself to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not offensive because its true xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend.

You're the first to complain when people make statements that assume your thoughts. Evidently not a standard you hold yourself to. "

Who have I made an assumption about? I’ve made a general point. Or did you just assume I was meaning this thread, or this stunt referred to without reading that I didn’t explicitly state either?

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Fucking TERFs

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Fucking TERFs

trans-exclusionary radical feminists before anyone asks. But they aren't excluding all trans people are they? Actually it's just the "I identify as" crowd they don't like which most people wouldn't call trans anyway. They are a fairly recent addition to the ever growing LGBTQIA ranks

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Does any woman feel particularly safe in a womens loo,simply because there is a sign on the door? If so,would a sign saying 'sexual predators keep out' be sufficient? I very much doubt it.

The issue of safety in women only segregated spaces is less to do with who is allowed in than what they get up to while they are in there and there are already laws governing that sort of behaviour.

Incidentally,anyone who has been up close to Anthony Gormleys 'Another

World' display on Crosby beach,will probably agree that penises/penes/penii are very temporary things and before long,those statues will no longer be male.Change is possible,indeed inevitable.

Have you looked at their website? BrokenBrilliance found their name earlier in the thread.

I wonder if their intent was to provoke discussion more than to offend. "

Google TERF, these individuals aren't looking to provoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just going to say this because I'm tired of the transphobia on this site. Trans women are women. So some may have a penis. It's been proven that trans men have a very similar brain structure as non trans men by looking at brain scans. Same with trans women.

There is no evidence of men wearing dresses pretending to be trans women; going into women's only spaces and abusing a woman. No man would put that much effort in. They're much more likely to assault a woman on the street or public transport.

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm just going to say this because I'm tired of the transphobia on this site. Trans women are women. So some may have a penis. It's been proven that trans men have a very similar brain structure as non trans men by looking at brain scans. Same with trans women.

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women"

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them.

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

It is offensive.

I wondered why it would be offensive but this explains it.

I think it's incredibly childish of them to go to all the effort of getting stickers made and sticking them all over the place.

An uneducated attack designed to raise debate but a prime example of people thinking a simplistic approach to a changing society is better than actually stopping and thinking about what the message contains.

Then you get the brigade of pc slammers claiming people are way to sensitive because it's easier to say that than acknowledge that it isn't ok to belittle someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. "
What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Or, you have trouble with understanding the difference between sex and gender. Google and learning are your friends.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women"

Well said

However it's clear some unpleasant individuals on this site like to stir things up on the subject of transgender issues, usually the same ones filled with piss and vinegar.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

I understand that you have a different view and you are welcome to it. Your pension example doesn't actually have any basis in this argument/discussion. You can change your gender, both medically and legally. You cannot change your date of birth.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels"

There is a fight for a third gender for people that do not identify as male or female. So, we do not have only two genders in society anymore.

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over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Or, you have trouble with understanding the difference between sex and gender. Google and learning are your friends."
I have no trouble understanding anything, man is man and woman is woman it's pretty straightforward, the Ops original question has been answered, it isn't in anyway abusive or derogatory and was never intended to be, it's a statement of fact, women or woman doesnt have a penis, theirs no argument it's a fact........ The problems relating to the change of sex are an entirely different thing and will be a problem but I agree with the person who said that just because you allow a transgender person to use a female toilet doesn't make them an unsafe environment and in fact as somebody else said if an unsavoury character wanted to enter said toilet they could but somebody is always going to be upset about this problem how can it be avoided unless we make all these facilities unisex

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

You also cannot change your sex.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

So women who are happy as women , born a woman and happy with that , are saying that biological men who identify as women shouldn’t be allowed to use women only places ? That seems fair enough to me .

The sticker issue seems to be a bit of a provocative issue , but the reasoning behind it is clear . Is it true , that women don’t have a penis ? Yes of course it is . There have been cases where men identifying as women have been transferred from male prisons to female , and subsequently committed sexual attacks on women , with an erect penis . So maybe that will show the potential negatives .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Or, you have trouble with understanding the difference between sex and gender. Google and learning are your friends.I have no trouble understanding anything, man is man and woman is woman it's pretty straightforward, the Ops original question has been answered, it isn't in anyway abusive or derogatory and was never intended to be, it's a statement of fact, women or woman doesnt have a penis, theirs no argument it's a fact........ The problems relating to the change of sex are an entirely different thing and will be a problem but I agree with the person who said that just because you allow a transgender person to use a female toilet doesn't make them an unsafe environment and in fact as somebody else said if an unsavoury character wanted to enter said toilet they could but somebody is always going to be upset about this problem how can it be avoided unless we make all these facilities unisex"

Yes, James. You’ve clearly understood.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

By the way if a man becomes a woman legally but keeps his pennis where does that fit in your opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

By the way if a man becomes a woman legally but keeps his pennis where does that fit in your opinion."
I don't have a problem with the man becoming a woman bit in fact I don't have a problem with anything, I just agreed with the Ops post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a black and white statement, yes it's true.

What is the meaning behind it though?

Do they mean women don't have penes (thanks to the poster above who corrected this) and so are lesser than men?

Or as others mentioned above is it an attack on trans people?"

Yes it is an attack on trans women.

Probabable culprit being a TERF.

Very sad and deliberate attack

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

By the way if a man becomes a woman legally but keeps his pennis where does that fit in your opinion.I don't have a problem with the man becoming a woman bit in fact I don't have a problem with anything, I just agreed with the Ops post "

Objection your honour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour "
yes m'lud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TERF ‘s attack on trans women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour "

I love your intelligent, educated, reasoned debate Bananaman

Such a turn on, champ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud "

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour

I love your intelligent, educated, reasoned debate Bananaman

Such a turn on, champ"

Kiss my hand and suck my D

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By *punkyMcFuckKnuckleMan
over a year ago

Glasvegas/Kilmarnock

Is this like Utd supports don't live in Manchester?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

I know, it's such a waste when they cut it off. Reduces the possibilities

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

Agreed .

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over a year ago

"Is this like Utd supports don't live in Manchester?

I’ve mate who live in London but support Man U

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking TERFs

Yes 100%agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them. "

That’s the second time that you’ve used the term post modernists in this context. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"So women who are happy as women , born a woman and happy with that , are saying that biological men who identify as women shouldn’t be allowed to use women only places ? That seems fair enough to me .

There is one case, not cases. And that case has so far only been reported only by The Sun, with other outlets repeating The Sun’s report, which itself is peppered with ‘alleged’, ‘it is claimed’, and all the other stuff that should tell you to regard any of it as factual with extreme caution.

Or simply just accept it as gospel without any critical thought, it’s up to you really.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them.

That’s the second time that you’ve used the term post modernists in this context. I don’t think it means what you think it means. "

I know exactly what post modernism is. The fact that many people repeat post modernist ideas without knowing what they are is a seperate issue.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them.

That’s the second time that you’ve used the term post modernists in this context. I don’t think it means what you think it means. "

More to point some have no idea what their talking about.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

Agreed .

For the love of god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or simply just accept it as gospel without any critical thought, it’s up to you really."

How many attacks should there be before we can say it's ok to protect women in female only prisons and refuges?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them.

That’s the second time that you’ve used the term post modernists in this context. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

I know exactly what post modernism is. The fact that many people repeat post modernist ideas without knowing what they are is a seperate issue. "

I’m fully conversant with the concept of post modernism, you seem to be asserting that it’s a negative thing though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

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knowing you you'd cop a feel first though

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

Gender exists on two levels, the physical and the psychological/social, and the words used here just dismiss that for the sake of a cheap soundbite. In my humble etc.

but you look at it from a totally different perspective to most so you can't see it with an open mind, to me it's not offensive and that's the question

I think everyone on this thread has agreed that the wording itself isn't offensive, it's the campaign behind it that is (or not depending on your viewpoint).

Words have power and meanings for words can change over time. In a few years time this phrase will most probably be deemed as offensive because our outlook on what is a woman will change.why would ' our ' outlook on what is a woman change? You can't change nature their are two sexes man or woman, if a persons mind and body and happiness change how they feel as a person that doesn't change nature does it? That person is changing in order to be happy in their skin and that's fine by me but it doesn't change nature or how we perceive it

You must have heard of the terms "gender fluidity" and "non-binary"? Gender isn't as simple as it was when we were growing up. It's not just male and female.

You also cannot change your sex. "

Yes you can. You can apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate. There are certain conditions you have to meet which include living as your acquired sex for at least two years before applying and being diagnosed by a doctor as having gender dysphoria.

What the consultation is looking at is making this certificate easier to get, not to make it illegal to deny access to self-identified people.

The information about the current process and the consultation is all on the government website.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Or simply just accept it as gospel without any critical thought, it’s up to you really.

How many attacks should there be before we can say it's ok to protect women in female only prisons and refuges?"

An excellent point

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"Is this like Utd supports don't live in Manchester?

I’ve mate who live in London but support Man U

I've never lived in London, but I support Spurs

And yes, I have been to both White Hart Lane and Wembley to see them play.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I’m fully conversant with the concept of post modernism, you seem to be asserting that it’s a negative thing though. "

It's because he's heard Jordan Peterson spouting off about it, with the misconception that post-modernism claims that truth doesn't matter and therefore you can make up whatever version of reality you want. It's an unfortunate strawman that's been spread around.

Of course, post-modernism does not assert that truth doesn't matter, or that words don't have meaning, but that when assessing what is true we need to consider the context in which claims are made and be suitably sceptical of them.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Do you expect me to go into a man's toilet to assault or abuse men? No because that sounds ridiculous. So why is it any different for trans women

I'm tired of biology being labelled trabsphobic and post modernists conflating gender and sex whenever it suits them.

That’s the second time that you’ve used the term post modernists in this context. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

I know exactly what post modernism is. The fact that many people repeat post modernist ideas without knowing what they are is a seperate issue.

I’m fully conversant with the concept of post modernism, you seem to be asserting that it’s a negative thing though. "

Negative isn't a strong enough word for how much of a horrible ideology it is. I'd use evil personally. Well done for being honest about the link though. If you have any opinions about why the LGBT community has allowed post modernism to infect it, I'd be interested to know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m fully conversant with the concept of post modernism, you seem to be asserting that it’s a negative thing though.

It’s amusing as it’s about nuance, and the inability to grasp it.

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over a year ago

Or simply just accept it as gospel without any critical thought, it’s up to you really.

How many attacks should there be before we can say it's ok to protect women in female only prisons and refuges?"

At the opposite end, how many attacks are there on trans women in male prisons? Or sexual attacks on female prisoners from female inmates or even male guards? I’m not condoning any form of attack or assault I’m simply asking about context.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I have but don't see what relevance they have we still only have two sexes man and woman no getting around it even with labels

The two sexes are male and female, not man and woman (and their are people between even male and female).

Man and woman are genders that incorporate additional things to pure biology. What are you on about, you do talk a load of ballox

Easy change people's attitudes to this bigotry nonsense, then again probably harder to do.

Objection your honour yes m'lud

If I went to bed with a lady and found he/she has a penis.. it would be a straight case of misleading and misrepresention

Agreed .

For the love of god

I think God would be scratching his ( or her ) head thinking ‘ what the fuck Is going in with the human species ? ‘

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I’m fully conversant with the concept of post modernism, you seem to be asserting that it’s a negative thing though.

None of what you said is true. There's no point discussing it with you since whichever post modernist i quote, you'll say "oh that's not real post modernism" and it'll be like nailing jelly. I've sat and watched the post modernists try, badly, to explain their ideas. I don't get my information second hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're talking about just putting a dress on, then yes, men do go to that much effort.

What about the man, whose intent is to harm a woman, imitating/dressing up as a police officer, specifically so he can gain access to and abuse a woman?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"None of what you said is true. There's no point discussing it with you since whichever post modernist i quote, you'll say "oh that's not real post modernism" and it'll be like nailing jelly. I've sat and watched the post modernists try, badly, to explain their ideas. I don't get my information second hand. "

"none of what you said is true" - wow, what a counter point.

And you don't get your information second hand? So it's just a coincidence that everything you say is exactly what Peterson says, right down to the whining about Marxists and gulags

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