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"I sometimes see it written on walls, we usually talk alot about it as they govern in sweden, does it stand for its original meaning of equality or have it lost its meaning and more of demasculating and against men? One good quote I saw was "I am a woman, not a feminist"." So only men are feminists? In my opinion, it’s another attempt at victimisation and a trend for sure as women have been fighting for equal rights for over 400 years and it’s still hasn’t changed but we have made progress | |||
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"I sometimes see it written on walls, we usually talk alot about it as they govern in sweden, does it stand for its original meaning of equality or have it lost its meaning and more of demasculating and against men? One good quote I saw was "I am a woman, not a feminist". So only men are feminists? In my opinion, it’s another attempt at victimisation and a trend for sure as women have been fighting for equal rights for over 400 years and it’s still hasn’t changed but we have made progress " That is right, there have been alot of progress too. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down?" How are they pulling you down?  | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down? "Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged."I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?  | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down? "I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap."You haven’t explained | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one." Beer? | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. Beer? " Women enjoy beer too | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one." A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else? | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women "They are humanists then ? | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women "I agree. | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women
They are humanists then ? "Nope. Because we don't live in an equal society that sees people just as humans. | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. Beer? Women enjoy beer too" Only Feminists enjoy beer.. others like rose wine or champagne | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained "That's your own shortcoming. And I don't owe you any explanations. | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else?" . Can you one of the laws, systems or institution that practices or shows inequality!. Then maybe we can work on solutions together | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations."Great debate | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations."Yup He never explains, elaborates or qualifies But expects others to A classic case of projection | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations.
Yup
He never explains, elaborates or qualifies
But expects others to
A classic case of projection"I’m sorry, I’ve upset you  | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else?. Can you one of the laws, systems or institution that practices or shows inequality!. Then maybe we can work on solutions together" Can you demonstrate how there are laws to cover all inequalities? | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations.
Yup
He never explains, elaborates or qualifies
But expects others to
A classic case of projection
I’m sorry, I’ve upset you "But on a serious note and judging from your comments at most of my posts, you don’t really like me, do you? Lol | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations.
Yup
He never explains, elaborates or qualifies
But expects others to
A classic case of projection"Yep and to be honest the op was not that bad. I didn't necessarily agree with it but then this banana came along to just divert it to his own agenda. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations.
Yup
He never explains, elaborates or qualifies
But expects others to
A classic case of projection
I’m sorry, I’ve upset you
But on a serious note and judging from your comments at most of my posts, you don’t really like me, do you? Lol "Suggest you need to the topic instead of making the post about you. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap.
You haven’t explained
That's your own shortcoming.
And I don't owe you any explanations.
Yup
He never explains, elaborates or qualifies
But expects others to
A classic case of projection
Yep and to be honest the op was not that bad. I didn't necessarily agree with it but then this banana came along to just divert it to his own agenda."What agenda? | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women " | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else?. Can you one of the laws, systems or institution that practices or shows inequality!. Then maybe we can work on solutions together Can you demonstrate how there are laws to cover all inequalities?" . Of course not, that's why I want to know about the inequalities or laws that need changing so we can come to some agreement about solutions. Your saying there's not equality and justice for all and I'm asking where should we look to fix the problems | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism. "I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable? | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else?. Can you one of the laws, systems or institution that practices or shows inequality!. Then maybe we can work on solutions together Can you demonstrate how there are laws to cover all inequalities?. Of course not, that's why I want to know about the inequalities or laws that need changing so we can come to some agreement about solutions. Your saying there's not equality and justice for all and I'm asking where should we look to fix the problems " On these forums would be a good place to start | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one. A man most certainly can and should have an input. Why would anyone man want less than equality and justice for everyone else?. Can you one of the laws, systems or institution that practices or shows inequality!. Then maybe we can work on solutions together Can you demonstrate how there are laws to cover all inequalities?. Of course not, that's why I want to know about the inequalities or laws that need changing so we can come to some agreement about solutions. Your saying there's not equality and justice for all and I'm asking where should we look to fix the problems On these forums would be a good place to start " . That's a bit vague?. | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable? "I believe equal opportunity is achievable .Of course we aren't all born with the same skills and abilities, but we should have the same opportunities regardless of race,sex or social background. | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable? "Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No  | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No "You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem ". The rise of the theybies! I shit you not  | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem "It’s a default setting to refer to your daughter as beautiful rather than funny, strong, determined, artistic, talented etc... lots of research / talks on how we are still sending hugely different signals to both genders, especially before seven when a sense of self is being formed. Just look at toys and how they are pink and yellows. Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem
It’s a default setting to refer to your daughter as beautiful rather than funny, strong, determined, artistic, talented etc... lots of research / talks on how we are still sending hugely different signals to both genders, especially before seven when a sense of self is being formed.
Just look at toys and how they are pink and yellows. Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. "Yes | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem "My son and daughter has a child psychologist for a mother.So we didn't enforce any gender stereotypes from day one.My daughter was better at climbing trees than any boy in her class and she loathes pink..  | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. " Do they fuck  | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck "I, Bananaman, as a sexy young boy preferred cars, planes and games until I grew up and girls corrupted me  | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck "And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees "I didn't say that did I | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
I, Bananaman, as a sexy young boy preferred cars, planes and games until I grew up and girls corrupted me "Liar, I've got photos of the tea parties you threw for your dolls | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I "I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
I, Bananaman, as a sexy young boy preferred cars, planes and games until I grew up and girls corrupted me
Liar, I've got photos of the tea parties you threw for your dolls "Exactly, and them bitches wanted gin and tonic | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
I, Bananaman, as a sexy young boy preferred cars, planes and games until I grew up and girls corrupted me
Liar, I've got photos of the tea parties you threw for your dolls
Exactly, and them bitches wanted gin and tonic "I did notice the poker chips on the table and discarded cigars. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
I, Bananaman, as a sexy young boy preferred cars, planes and games until I grew up and girls corrupted me
Liar, I've got photos of the tea parties you threw for your dolls
Exactly, and them bitches wanted gin and tonic
I did notice the poker chips on the table and discarded cigars. "You missed the used condoms | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective "It's simply contratory to science to pretend all gender differences are environmental and not at all biological. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I "There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc... it’s my background and I see it regularly. Equality for our boys too | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective "Lots of evidence of this. Boys tend to be more of the risk-taker then girls and this develops into their later careee choices and promotions they go for. It’s an attitude and approach that all children need. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too "I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective
It's simply contratory to science to pretend all gender differences are environmental and not at all biological. "It’s a mixture in my opinion.. both genders have biological advantages but same specie | |||
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"If you encourage you son to act like a girl you r setting that kid up to get the ffck bullied out of him at school, that’s the reality, not this mental dream world, gender stereotypes r good and that’s how we function best as a society, getting your son to act like a ponce or your daughter to act like a geezer and give her a buzz cut is just setting them up for a life of mental health problems. "
People should be allowed to be who they are.
Maybe the focus should be other people’s attitude to them! Bullying isn’t acceptable.
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective
It's simply contratory to science to pretend all gender differences are environmental and not at all biological.
It’s a mixture in my opinion.. both genders have biological advantages but same specie "Which part of the mixture is dominant at the mean? Biology or enviornment? | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science. "I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point. I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs. But that’s my ideology I can dream. | |||
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"If you encourage you son to act like a girl you r setting that kid up to get the ffck bullied out of him at school, that’s the reality, not this mental dream world, gender stereotypes r good and that’s how we function best as a society, getting your son to act like a ponce or your daughter to act like a geezer and give her a buzz cut is just setting them up for a life of mental health problems.
People should be allowed to be who they are.
"I agree, adults shouldn't try to force boys to play with dolls to make themselves feel progressive and woke. | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem
It’s a default setting to refer to your daughter as beautiful rather than funny, strong, determined, artistic, talented etc... lots of research / talks on how we are still sending hugely different signals to both genders, especially before seven when a sense of self is being formed.
Just look at toys and how they are pink and yellows. Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. "Not going to say mu h in here, way too much anger and judgement. But I do very clearly remember wanting a cute little doll for Christmas when I was a young boy, probably 5-7. And my dad being utterly horrified but my mum giving in. Pretty sure it's still in my parents house in a cupboard to this day, and I played with her quite a bit, along with action man, mecchano and scalectrix. And my daughter is one of the toughest sportswomen Ive ever known, I remember putting two diaclocated fingers back in place during a school hockey match. To the disgust of the teachers, so she could continue playing. So stereotypes are bollocks, upheld by media and poor parenting, yes. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science.
I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point.
I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs.
But that’s my ideology I can dream. "Ah good, we're getting somewhere. Think of it as two overlapping distributions. What you'll find is that many core aspects of what makes an activity 'fun' will overlap. For example, taking a small risk - climbing a tree. Articulating a picture in your mind and building it - Lego. So it's totally cool if girls want to climb trees and play with Lego, and fine if they don't. But i think you glossed over the point above that someone made about setting boys up for failure. The vast majority of women are attracted to masculine acting men. So if you're encouraging a boy to act feminine, you're really setting him up for failure with his reproductive chances. You can say bullying is wrong, but surely female selection choices aren't wrong? | |||
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"Kids should be allowed to play with any toy or take part in any activities . Giving your son a pram for xmas is fine if he asks santa for it .Not cool if you have an agenda.Same for girls.My daughter always complained that the boys toys were always cooler .She got mostly what would be considered boys toys for xmas. "I have an agenda. My agenda is about giving my son the skills to have the best opportunities in life. The whole issue with kids is that they can't make complex decisions and understand the relationship between how they spend time now and the trade offs that incurs later in life. So encouraging a boy to act in way that you know perfectly well will make him toxic to the majority to desirable future partners is... bad m'kay. | |||
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"Kids should be allowed to play with any toy or take part in any activities . Giving your son a pram for xmas is fine if he asks santa for it .Not cool if you have an agenda.Same for girls.My daughter always complained that the boys toys were always cooler .She got mostly what would be considered boys toys for xmas.
I have an agenda. My agenda is about giving my son the skills to have the best opportunities in life. The whole issue with kids is that they can't make complex decisions and understand the relationship between how they spend time now and the trade offs that incurs later in life. So encouraging a boy to act in way that you know perfectly well will make him toxic to the majority to desirable future partners is... bad m'kay. "It could be that you are preparing your son for the world you live in not the world he will live.Unless your a part time mystic meg. It's the same for work skills.If everyone pushes their kids in STEM areas of education and much of these areas become replaced by automation and AI you've given them the wrong set of skills and they will fail. Still I will gamble in STEM for my kids but I could be wrong. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science.
I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point.
I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs.
But that’s my ideology I can dream.
Ah good, we're getting somewhere. Think of it as two overlapping distributions. What you'll find is that many core aspects of what makes an activity 'fun' will overlap. For example, taking a small risk - climbing a tree. Articulating a picture in your mind and building it - Lego. So it's totally cool if girls want to climb trees and play with Lego, and fine if they don't.
But i think you glossed over the point above that someone made about setting boys up for failure. The vast majority of women are attracted to masculine acting men. So if you're encouraging a boy to act feminine, you're really setting him up for failure with his reproductive chances. You can say bullying is wrong, but surely female selection choices aren't wrong? "I personally wouldn’t want to set a child on a path based on their reproductive chance. That would indicate that such choices are solely environmental which I don’t believe to be the case. It’s interesting that the discussion has become focussed on boys and how ‘acting feminine’ is setting them up for failure. Does the reverse apply to girls? | |||
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"Kids should be allowed to play with any toy or take part in any activities . Giving your son a pram for xmas is fine if he asks santa for it .Not cool if you have an agenda.Same for girls.My daughter always complained that the boys toys were always cooler .She got mostly what would be considered boys toys for xmas.
I have an agenda. My agenda is about giving my son the skills to have the best opportunities in life. The whole issue with kids is that they can't make complex decisions and understand the relationship between how they spend time now and the trade offs that incurs later in life. So encouraging a boy to act in way that you know perfectly well will make him toxic to the majority to desirable future partners is... bad m'kay. "Toxic? I think developing an attitude that men do this and woman do that could be quite toxic for any relationship. I’ll have to make sure a daughter understand her role so she doesn’t make herself undesirable to a future partner. | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one." This IS feminism! Make men look stupid, the woman smart. Men making dumb descisions, women only wise. Men multitasking failures, women successful no matter what. A BUNCH of lies to demasculate males and make pansies out of all of them. It's a shame that women, and some men, never understood the importance that women have had throughout history! Who raised George Washington? Who raised Thomas Edison? Who raised Noah? Remember, behind every great leader, has been a woman, guiding his every early step! Thats goes for both male and female. Today, if you don't embrace every little issue any woman may have, you're a biggot or anti-woman, etc., etc.. Yet, any woman is a hero if they disagree with a man. Also holds true between the animal world and human. If you save a whale, you're a hero, yet, if you save a human baby, you're a criminal! Someone please give stats of how many babies are aborted in the Animal kingdom compared to the human race? | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science.
I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point.
I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs.
But that’s my ideology I can dream. "Next you'll be saying men can multitask and women can reverse park. That glorious moment in Monty Pythons Life of Brian springs to mind ...."it's every mans right to have babies" "I'm not oppressing you Stan - you haven't got a womb" | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science.
I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point.
I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs.
But that’s my ideology I can dream.
Next you'll be saying men can multitask and women can reverse park.
That glorious moment in Monty Pythons Life of Brian springs to mind ...."it's every mans right to have babies" "I'm not oppressing you Stan - you haven't got a womb""But I do have a car and I’m bloody awesome at reversing 
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
There’s a suggestion of inequality in play - boys don’t play with prams, but I’m saying they do and they want to, just as much as girls want to choose their toys. Boys often face ridicule when they do ‘boys don’t play with girly toys/dollies’, ‘don’t be a sissy’ etc...
it’s my background and I see it regularly.
Equality for our boys too
I'm going with science on this one. You can pretend it's all enviornmental and it's all unconscious bias. But the science is crystal clear. Boys and girls are different at the biological level and that manifests itself in the choices they make. Obviously there's a distribution where some boys will like dolls, but to pretend most do is intellectually dishonest and a view driven by ideology, not science.
I agree with the science. Boys and girls do have some biological differences that manifest themselves. We see that clearly in their learning. Definitely I valid point.
I never meant to imply ‘most’, just some. Same as some girls want different toy choices. I prefer the drive for equality for all, where we (society) provides what the individual needs.
But that’s my ideology I can dream.
Ah good, we're getting somewhere. Think of it as two overlapping distributions. What you'll find is that many core aspects of what makes an activity 'fun' will overlap. For example, taking a small risk - climbing a tree. Articulating a picture in your mind and building it - Lego. So it's totally cool if girls want to climb trees and play with Lego, and fine if they don't.
But i think you glossed over the point above that someone made about setting boys up for failure. The vast majority of women are attracted to masculine acting men. So if you're encouraging a boy to act feminine, you're really setting him up for failure with his reproductive chances. You can say bullying is wrong, but surely female selection choices aren't wrong?
I personally wouldn’t want to set a child on a path based on their reproductive chance. That would indicate that such choices are solely environmental which I don’t believe to be the case.
It’s interesting that the discussion has become focussed on boys and how ‘acting feminine’ is setting them up for failure. Does the reverse apply to girls? "No, that's just the way the world is. You won't see decent guys rejecting decent girls because she's an engineer / got a good job / she's an athlete. The reverse comparisons aren't true. | |||
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"Kids should be allowed to play with any toy or take part in any activities . Giving your son a pram for xmas is fine if he asks santa for it .Not cool if you have an agenda.Same for girls.My daughter always complained that the boys toys were always cooler .She got mostly what would be considered boys toys for xmas.
I have an agenda. My agenda is about giving my son the skills to have the best opportunities in life. The whole issue with kids is that they can't make complex decisions and understand the relationship between how they spend time now and the trade offs that incurs later in life. So encouraging a boy to act in way that you know perfectly well will make him toxic to the majority to desirable future partners is... bad m'kay.
Toxic?
I think developing an attitude that men do this and woman do that could be quite toxic for any relationship. I’ll have to make sure a daughter understand her role so she doesn’t make herself undesirable to a future partner. "So you're going to pretend there aren't traits that most women don't like in men or you're telling those women they are all wrong and need to change to fancy beta men? | |||
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"I sometimes see it written on walls, we usually talk alot about it as they govern in sweden, does it stand for its original meaning of equality or have it lost its meaning and more of demasculating and against men? One good quote I saw was "I am a woman, not a feminist". Lie. People both men and women have been fighting to survive and for much much longer than 4000years. Weve made heaps of progress in the last hundred years, how much more can they want? Everyone was opressed not just females back in the day. So only men are feminists? In my opinion, it’s another attempt at victimisation and a trend for sure as women have been fighting for equal rights for over 400 years and it’s still hasn’t changed but we have made progress " | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged."I want to respond but I’m too worried about the Yorkshire Terrier in your pic of 6th February 2018.... | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women "That's has to be the BIGGEST Lie of the Century!!! | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women
That's has to be the BIGGEST Lie of the Century!!!"You never hear feminist complaining that their aren't enough female coal miners. Or even that we need more men to be primary school teachers. | |||
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"True feminists are about the social equality for all not just women
That's has to be the BIGGEST Lie of the Century!!!
You never hear feminist complaining that their aren't enough female coal miners. Or even that we need more men to be primary school teachers. " or bin men, roofers, scaffolders etc etc. In the UK at least it seems to have become women pushing for preferential treatment at the expense of men. There's plenty of places in the world where women get treated horrendously that could really do with help from the modern feminist movement. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective "If feminist are so concerned with the power of language and its subtleties. Why would they name their movement specifically after half of the sexes rights and name the evil force after men? | |||
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"I was reading this week .Wikipedia has 1.5 million biographies in English. Only 17 percent are about women. " Earlier you said you wanted equality of opportunity, so why are you talking about outcomes? | |||
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"I was reading this week .Wikipedia has 1.5 million biographies in English. Only 17 percent are about women. Earlier you said you wanted equality of opportunity, so why are you talking about outcomes? " i know thus doesn't fit your world view.Are we now saying literature is a male dominated area .Or are women's lives less noteworthy .I can understand the lack of female coal miners .But biographies ...mutherfucka please.. | |||
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"I was reading this week .Wikipedia has 1.5 million biographies in English. Only 17 percent are about women. Earlier you said you wanted equality of opportunity, so why are you talking about outcomes? i know thus doesn't fit your world view.Are we now saying literature is a male dominated area .Or are women's lives less noteworthy .I can understand the lack of female coal miners .But biographies ...mutherfucka please.. "If we came from a male dominated patriarchy, it would make sense that historically most inventors, Kings and notable people would have been men because the women were being oppressed, weren't they? Since we both care about equality of opportunity and you're in no way using it as a smoke screen for the tyranny of equality of outcome, what are the barriers women now face to becoming notable and having wikipedia articles written about them in future? Other than being called beautiful, of course. | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were. "Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade? I am for equality of opportunity. | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity. "Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different. I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism "better that than believing in giant conspiracy theories of shadowy men getting together to conspire against women that we hate yet are desperate to fuck!. I mean what sort of nonsense is this, the data shows inequity, blimey Sherlock Holmes, let me email bill gates with your findings | |||
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"to conspire against women that we hate yet are desperate to fuck!. " Plenty of the usual nonsense in this thread, but this is a new level of stupid. Men can't hate women because they want to fuck them. Good grief. | |||
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"Feminists always moan about the 85-15 difference in the boardroom but rarely say anything about the 99.5-0.5 difference in sewer cleaners, it's like there not bothered about equality in the shit Jobs "More women cleaners. And more women doing unpaid labour at home for men and on behalf of men | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism "You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity? | |||
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"Feminists always moan about the 85-15 difference in the boardroom but rarely say anything about the 99.5-0.5 difference in sewer cleaners, it's like there not bothered about equality in the shit Jobs
More women cleaners. And more women doing unpaid labour at home for men and on behalf of men"So what are you suggesting? Housewives should get paid by their husbands? Do you want housewives to have an employer-employee relationship as the basis of marriage. I knew feminists hated the nuclear family but even this is a new one for me. | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity? "Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect. I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on. Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes . Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit .. | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
"So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship. | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship. "How do you judge the success of policy ? ...without outcomes! .Youve just not thought this through have you . It's quite simple . The stockholders in a state are its citizens .They are looking for outcomes not the empty promises you peddle .The only dictator is yourself brother.Telling people the outcomes are irrelevant .Can You hear yourself ?. | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen " | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship.
How do you judge the success of policy ? ...without outcomes! .Youve just not thought this through have you .
It's quite simple .
The stockholders in a state are its citizens .They are looking for outcomes not the empty promises you peddle .The only dictator is yourself brother.Telling people the outcomes are irrelevant .Can You hear yourself ?. "No your entirely wrong, we have this little thing called freedom. The state isn't there to dictate our lives to us and manage outcomes the way a private company does. Private companies do it because i sacrifice some of my time and freedom, for money. The state is actually the regulator of those companies and making sure the relationship isn't abusive. The state has already legally guaranteed equality of opportunities, which is the best it can do without being a dictator. So there are only really two possibilities that flow from that: 1. either sue the oppressors who are breaking the law 2. explain how the system is rigged to stop you executing your legal protections If any of your suggestions for #2 we're valid then most reasonable people would support changed that would fix them. | |||
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So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits"So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to? | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective
If feminist are so concerned with the power of language and its subtleties. Why would they name their movement specifically after half of the sexes rights and name the evil force after men? "They didn't, Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "féminisme" in 1837, blame a guy for that one lol | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship.
How do you judge the success of policy ? ...without outcomes! .Youve just not thought this through have you .
It's quite simple .
The stockholders in a state are its citizens .They are looking for outcomes not the empty promises you peddle .The only dictator is yourself brother.Telling people the outcomes are irrelevant .Can You hear yourself ?.
No your entirely wrong, we have this little thing called freedom. The state isn't there to dictate our lives to us and manage outcomes the way a private company does. Private companies do it because i sacrifice some of my time and freedom, for money. The state is actually the regulator of those companies and making sure the relationship isn't abusive.
The state has already legally guaranteed equality of opportunities, which is the best it can do without being a dictator. So there are only really two possibilities that flow from that:
1. either sue the oppressors who are breaking the law
2. explain how the system is rigged to stop you executing your legal protections
If any of your suggestions for #2 we're valid then most reasonable people would support changed that would fix them. "I will ask you one more time . How do you judge the success of goverment policy without outcomes.??  | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship.
How do you judge the success of policy ? ...without outcomes! .Youve just not thought this through have you .
It's quite simple .
The stockholders in a state are its citizens .They are looking for outcomes not the empty promises you peddle .The only dictator is yourself brother.Telling people the outcomes are irrelevant .Can You hear yourself ?.
No your entirely wrong, we have this little thing called freedom. The state isn't there to dictate our lives to us and manage outcomes the way a private company does. Private companies do it because i sacrifice some of my time and freedom, for money. The state is actually the regulator of those companies and making sure the relationship isn't abusive.
The state has already legally guaranteed equality of opportunities, which is the best it can do without being a dictator. So there are only really two possibilities that flow from that:
1. either sue the oppressors who are breaking the law
2. explain how the system is rigged to stop you executing your legal protections
If any of your suggestions for #2 we're valid then most reasonable people would support changed that would fix them.
I will ask you one more time .
How do you judge the success of goverment policy without outcomes.??
"The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. | |||
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"Boys also want to play with prams and baby sets as much as girls. Do they fuck
And girls don’t want to play with Lego or climb trees
I didn't say that did I
I think they point was that girls are told they are beautiful where as boys are told they are smart.. and girls are treated as princess by their father and brother and boys are shown the real life perspective
If feminist are so concerned with the power of language and its subtleties. Why would they name their movement specifically after half of the sexes rights and name the evil force after men?
They didn't, Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "féminisme" in 1837, blame a guy for that one lol "And I get called a conspiracy theorist for suggesting a link between Marxism and feminism! | |||
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"So If an outcome is anomalous to the perceived equal society we live in.We can't discuss it . Ok I get it ..As you were.
Since we established earlier that men and woman are significantly biologically different. The only way they'd have the same outcomes would be a tyrannical government enforcing it. You don't want that do you comrade?
I am for equality of opportunity.
Yet the data doesn't back up the equal society you believe we live.So let's just say it because women are different.
I remember the same argument about race and intellect in the past and your friends at breitbart with their pseudo scientific racism
You know I love data. Please give me the data proving we don't have equality of opportunity?
Ive already pointed out that 17 % of biographies are by women .Your response to this is bizarre at best and as usual you deflect.
I don't see any data from you regarding this fair and equal planet we live on.
Apparently you've convinced yourself that outcomes are irrelevant .How absurd us that.A society that's not interested in outcomes .
Try that at your next meeting dude ."Hey guys the outcomes are irrelevant .Its all good".Your stock holders will love that piece of bullshit ..
So really you do want equality of outcomes. At least you're being honest now. You're failure to understand the different roles of a private company and a government seems to inform why you are so in favour of dictatorship.
How do you judge the success of policy ? ...without outcomes! .Youve just not thought this through have you .
It's quite simple .
The stockholders in a state are its citizens .They are looking for outcomes not the empty promises you peddle .The only dictator is yourself brother.Telling people the outcomes are irrelevant .Can You hear yourself ?.
No your entirely wrong, we have this little thing called freedom. The state isn't there to dictate our lives to us and manage outcomes the way a private company does. Private companies do it because i sacrifice some of my time and freedom, for money. The state is actually the regulator of those companies and making sure the relationship isn't abusive.
The state has already legally guaranteed equality of opportunities, which is the best it can do without being a dictator. So there are only really two possibilities that flow from that:
1. either sue the oppressors who are breaking the law
2. explain how the system is rigged to stop you executing your legal protections
If any of your suggestions for #2 we're valid then most reasonable people would support changed that would fix them.
I will ask you one more time .
How do you judge the success of goverment policy without outcomes.??
The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. "The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude . | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to? "Malcolm Gladwell looked at something similar in his Blink, a book in which he investigates how people come to decisions on minimal information. In a very broad summary his view was people rely on experience (good or bad) and in the absence of experience stereotyping. The root of the work was the following. He was a staff writer for the New Yorker and drove to work each day with no problem. He is of dual heritage and changed his appearance in one way and regularly got stopped by the police. His hair was the inspiration for Blink. He stated that once he allowed his hair to get longer, he started getting speeding tickets all the time, an oddity considering that he had never gotten one before, and that he started getting pulled out of airport security lines for special attention. In a particular incident, he was accosted by three police officers while walking in downtown Manhattan, because his curly hair matched the profile of a rapist, despite the fact that the suspect looked nothing like him otherwise. There also people who disagree with a number of premises in Blink. | |||
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" The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude . "But that's not measuring what you profess it is, so you're being intellectually dishonest there. I am not willfully ignorant in the least, you just asked stupid questions. If you'd asked me whether there are any failings in the current system of equal opportunities then i could have given you 4 right off the bat. But that doesn't mean we don't have something that is far closer to equality of opportunity that any country you'd dream up. | |||
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" The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude .
But that's not measuring what you profess it is, so you're being intellectually dishonest there. I am not willfully ignorant in the least, you just asked stupid questions. If you'd asked me whether there are any failings in the current system of equal opportunities then i could have given you 4 right off the bat. But that doesn't mean we don't have something that is far closer to equality of opportunity that any country you'd dream up. "There are no stupid question brother just stupid answers . | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
Malcolm Gladwell looked at something similar in his Blink, a book in which he investigates how people come to decisions on minimal information. In a very broad summary his view was people rely on experience (good or bad) and in the absence of experience stereotyping.
The root of the work was the following. He was a staff writer for the New Yorker and drove to work each day with no problem. He is of dual heritage and changed his appearance in one way and regularly got stopped by the police. His hair was the inspiration for Blink. He stated that once he allowed his hair to get longer, he started getting speeding tickets all the time, an oddity considering that he had never gotten one before, and that he started getting pulled out of airport security lines for special attention. In a particular incident, he was accosted by three police officers while walking in downtown Manhattan, because his curly hair matched the profile of a rapist, despite the fact that the suspect looked nothing like him otherwise.
There also people who disagree with a number of premises in Blink."I do love Malcolm. So since we know that people have to make snap decisions based on minimal information then we either choose to compromise or spend our lives telling the world that it's wrong, but providing no viable alternative. I used to shave my head to grade 0, purely for convenience. It gets a bad reaction. I grew my hair. Problem solved. | |||
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"I was reading this week .Wikipedia has 1.5 million biographies in English. Only 17 percent are about women. " I was once told not to believe everything wikipedia told you, thou I find the site useful. | |||
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" The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude .
But that's not measuring what you profess it is, so you're being intellectually dishonest there. I am not willfully ignorant in the least, you just asked stupid questions. If you'd asked me whether there are any failings in the current system of equal opportunities then i could have given you 4 right off the bat. But that doesn't mean we don't have something that is far closer to equality of opportunity that any country you'd dream up.
There are no stupid question brother just stupid answers . "I know this sounds sarcastic, but it's not. Genuinely i want to understand why people who want to radically change the country they are in, why don't they just go to the country that's most like how they want to live? I'm just saying, if you love Sweden so much, why not go live there while you still can? Can't be the weather keeping you here. | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
Malcolm Gladwell looked at something similar in his Blink, a book in which he investigates how people come to decisions on minimal information. In a very broad summary his view was people rely on experience (good or bad) and in the absence of experience stereotyping.
The root of the work was the following. He was a staff writer for the New Yorker and drove to work each day with no problem. He is of dual heritage and changed his appearance in one way and regularly got stopped by the police. His hair was the inspiration for Blink. He stated that once he allowed his hair to get longer, he started getting speeding tickets all the time, an oddity considering that he had never gotten one before, and that he started getting pulled out of airport security lines for special attention. In a particular incident, he was accosted by three police officers while walking in downtown Manhattan, because his curly hair matched the profile of a rapist, despite the fact that the suspect looked nothing like him otherwise.
There also people who disagree with a number of premises in Blink.
I do love Malcolm. So since we know that people have to make snap decisions based on minimal information then we either choose to compromise or spend our lives telling the world that it's wrong, but providing no viable alternative. I used to shave my head to grade 0, purely for convenience. It gets a bad reaction. I grew my hair. Problem solved. "I like his books too. However I do believe that sometimes a stand has to be taken to prove that people are acting purely on prejudice. But in taking a stand one should not be surprised by the over reaction of the people who like to cling to comfortable stereotypes. | |||
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" The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude .
But that's not measuring what you profess it is, so you're being intellectually dishonest there. I am not willfully ignorant in the least, you just asked stupid questions. If you'd asked me whether there are any failings in the current system of equal opportunities then i could have given you 4 right off the bat. But that doesn't mean we don't have something that is far closer to equality of opportunity that any country you'd dream up.
There are no stupid question brother just stupid answers .
I know this sounds sarcastic, but it's not. Genuinely i want to understand why people who want to radically change the country they are in, why don't they just go to the country that's most like how they want to live? I'm just saying, if you love Sweden so much, why not go live there while you still can? Can't be the weather keeping you here. "Ah the old If you don't like it, why don't you fuck off response..Brilliant .You know your winning when that old chestnut pops up. Dude if you want to insult me go ahead I wouldn't report you .I like you . it's water off a ducks back bro .Youve called me a marxists before and a communist and as everyone in the forum knows its part of your modus operandi.Now it's "the don't let the door hit you in the arse as you leave", gambit. If you don't get that business needs outcomes scientific experiments need outcomes and goverment policy needs outcomes to decide if they effective .Then there is no hope. | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
Malcolm Gladwell looked at something similar in his Blink, a book in which he investigates how people come to decisions on minimal information. In a very broad summary his view was people rely on experience (good or bad) and in the absence of experience stereotyping.
The root of the work was the following. He was a staff writer for the New Yorker and drove to work each day with no problem. He is of dual heritage and changed his appearance in one way and regularly got stopped by the police. His hair was the inspiration for Blink. He stated that once he allowed his hair to get longer, he started getting speeding tickets all the time, an oddity considering that he had never gotten one before, and that he started getting pulled out of airport security lines for special attention. In a particular incident, he was accosted by three police officers while walking in downtown Manhattan, because his curly hair matched the profile of a rapist, despite the fact that the suspect looked nothing like him otherwise.
There also people who disagree with a number of premises in Blink.
I do love Malcolm. So since we know that people have to make snap decisions based on minimal information then we either choose to compromise or spend our lives telling the world that it's wrong, but providing no viable alternative. I used to shave my head to grade 0, purely for convenience. It gets a bad reaction. I grew my hair. Problem solved.
I like his books too.
However I do believe that sometimes a stand has to be taken to prove that people are acting purely on prejudice. But in taking a stand one should not be surprised by the over reaction of the people who like to cling to comfortable stereotypes.
"I do a reasonable amount of hiring at work. I've never once regretted passing on any of the people who felt that they were special and didn't need to present themselves professionally. It's not even that I won't consider them, I will. It's just that the guy who turned up with the Albert Einstein hair, the zz top beard, shorts, a scruffy top and trainers would have needed to be 10% better than anyone else and frankly he wasn't even in the top 5. As it happens I've hired around 3x more women than men, in a male dominated industry. | |||
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" The policy is to give people the legal assurance of equal opportunities. You look to see if the courts are busting at the sides with cases that show rampant disregard for the law. When you don't find that, it's reasonable to assume the system is working as it should unless someone has hard data to prove otherwise, which we've established, you don't. The correct answer is . With measurable outcomes. Your welcome . I do try and explain these things to you in the simplest terms like the shareholder analogy but it's impossible to make someone understand.If you choose to be wilfully ignorant .I can't help. Anyways it's always nice to chat with you dude .
But that's not measuring what you profess it is, so you're being intellectually dishonest there. I am not willfully ignorant in the least, you just asked stupid questions. If you'd asked me whether there are any failings in the current system of equal opportunities then i could have given you 4 right off the bat. But that doesn't mean we don't have something that is far closer to equality of opportunity that any country you'd dream up.
There are no stupid question brother just stupid answers .
I know this sounds sarcastic, but it's not. Genuinely i want to understand why people who want to radically change the country they are in, why don't they just go to the country that's most like how they want to live? I'm just saying, if you love Sweden so much, why not go live there while you still can? Can't be the weather keeping you here.
Ah the old If you don't like it, why don't you fuck off response..Brilliant .You know your winning when that old chestnut pops up.
Dude if you want to insult me go ahead I wouldn't report you .I like you .
it's water off a ducks back bro .Youve called me a marxists before and a communist and as everyone in the forum knows its part of your modus operandi.Now it's "the don't let the door hit you in the arse as you leave", gambit.
If you don't get that business needs outcomes scientific experiments need outcomes and goverment policy needs outcomes to decide if they effective .Then there is no hope.
"But seriously, I like living in country with a 38% tax to GDP ratio, which i think is fair and most voters also do. We have a good standard a living, high wages by international standards. I love the house of lords keeping the loonies in check and the patriarchy spearheaded by the Queen and female prime minister. I just don't understand why other people want radical change from that? | |||
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"There's a mental illness that's sweeping across the left and it's caused by Donald trump, it's even been diagnosed in the US. There literally losing their minds and becoming rambling fruit bats I think Trump was caused by them." . Probably but his garlic has sent them into meltdown | |||
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"If you believe in equality then you are a feminist. If we had equality we wouldn't need feminism.
I agree with most of your posts but do you believe equality is achievable?
Yes, eventually (referring to uk base, not the wider world). Each generation is making progress on all levels of equality. Is it enough? Is it faster enough? No
You are right.. I think kids need to be taught this from the very start they step out but I have noticed parents treating their girls different than their boys.. and I believe that’s the fundamental problem
My son and daughter has a child psychologist for a mother.So we didn't enforce any gender stereotypes from day one.My daughter was better at climbing trees than any boy in her class and she loathes pink.. "Your daughter sounds like me as a child. I also still hate pink | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to? "It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it. | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it. "If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution. | |||
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"Has anyone read up on the theybies yet?. I'd like to say only in America but I'm pretty sure this illness is contagious" Heard of it. I feel sorry for the kids, but then i think to myself "Well that's one less person my son will be competing against for the finer things in life". Every cloud... | |||
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"Has anyone read up on the theybies yet?. I'd like to say only in America but I'm pretty sure this illness is contagious Heard of it. I feel sorry for the kids, but then i think to myself "Well that's one less person my son will be competing against for the finer things in life". Every cloud... " . Apparently around 4 is when a child is capable of choosing their own gender!!. | |||
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"Then what do non women who are also feminists say? What did you do today to help progress feminist values instead of trying to pull us down? How are they pulling you down?
Your first comment was pulling feminism down. And as I can see for no reason. I am a part of feminism although I consider my values more line with new wave, intersectional feminism as white feminism was brought about in part to financially further white women. True feminism can only work if it seeks to elevate the most underprivileged.
I struggle to understand how my first comment was pulling you down?
I've explained and I am not going to do any more labour for you. Suggest you read and think til you get it, if that's what you want. But don't keep asking me to plug the gap."Typical feminist, I'm not going to waste the time to tell you. Educate yourself | |||
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"Has anyone read up on the theybies yet?. I'd like to say only in America but I'm pretty sure this illness is contagious Heard of it. I feel sorry for the kids, but then i think to myself "Well that's one less person my son will be competing against for the finer things in life". Every cloud... . Apparently around 4 is when a child is capable of choosing their own gender!!. " It's 18 in our house | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution. "I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it! | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution.
I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it! "It was more "appearance" i was getting at. I do think it's reasonable to judge people based on appearance. | |||
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"Not sure a man can have valuable input on this one." Yup. But fun to watch them hang themselves when they chuck in the obvious knuckle-dragging comments. And then whinge that they can't pull and don't understand why. | |||
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"We each hold and create our own meaning as well as what's important to us - we're not static, nor is culture. Feminism is the same - personally held beliefs in what's proper, with millions believing in it. You'll know most of what you believe is going on because of the media - which is largely biased against it. Equality for people is something that some dislike. Many men specifically dislike it and feminism. It's typical to have resistance to major changes that society experiences and sometimes imposes. Bothered? Put your attention on what's important to you - equality or distractions from minor nitpicking elements. Get used to our world being diverse and not just having one coherent understanding of things or shared goals. Question yourself and really understand why you might be uncomfortable with what's on the inside, rather than projecting it onto others." Women won't like equality of outcomes if they get it. | |||
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"I sometimes see it written on walls, we usually talk alot about it as they govern in sweden, does it stand for its original meaning of equality or have it lost its meaning and more of demasculating and against men? One good quote I saw was "I am a woman, not a feminist"." What a lot of nonsense. We need to work together not create fictional enemy camps. | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution.
I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it!
It was more "appearance" i was getting at. I do think it's reasonable to judge people based on appearance. "Well as I have been judged extremely incorrectly because of my appearance, I tend not to do the same, unless you class how someone is behaving as appearance, on some level. | |||
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"This sounds like equality would be better phrase rather than feminism..???" Backdoor marxism would be more accurate. | |||
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"Has anyone read up on the theybies yet?. I'd like to say only in America but I'm pretty sure this illness is contagious Heard of it. I feel sorry for the kids, but then i think to myself "Well that's one less person my son will be competing against for the finer things in life". Every cloud... . Apparently around 4 is when a child is capable of choosing their own gender!!. It's 18 in our house " . What a bully, surely you should let them decide if they want to drink vodka at 6 or maybe whether they can be arsed going to school coz it's not really there thing | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution.
I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it!
It was more "appearance" i was getting at. I do think it's reasonable to judge people based on appearance.
Well as I have been judged extremely incorrectly because of my appearance, I tend not to do the same, unless you class how someone is behaving as appearance, on some level. "How were you judged incorrectly? | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution.
I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it!
It was more "appearance" i was getting at. I do think it's reasonable to judge people based on appearance.
Well as I have been judged extremely incorrectly because of my appearance, I tend not to do the same, unless you class how someone is behaving as appearance, on some level.
How were you judged incorrectly? "I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all | |||
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" How were you judged incorrectly? I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all" So a lot like the reaction i got when I had my head shaved grade 0. We can complain it's wrong and I should be able to have whatever hair i want, but we know how some people will react and so you're faced with forever telling the world they are wrong, or making a compromise. | |||
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" How were you judged incorrectly? I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all So a lot like the reaction i got when I had my head shaved grade 0. We can complain it's wrong and I should be able to have whatever hair i want, but we know how some people will react and so you're faced with forever telling the world they are wrong, or making a compromise. " A shaved head? Really? Craziness! I am happy to prove people wrong tbh. It used to piss me off but I just just tend to ignore it now. | |||
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" How were you judged incorrectly? I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all So a lot like the reaction i got when I had my head shaved grade 0. We can complain it's wrong and I should be able to have whatever hair i want, but we know how some people will react and so you're faced with forever telling the world they are wrong, or making a compromise. A shaved head? Really? Craziness! I am happy to prove people wrong tbh. It used to piss me off but I just just tend to ignore it now. " Yes, people never stopped telling me about the negative connotations of skinhead culture, which was well before my time. I was a student and didn't want to pay for haircuts and appreciated the zero maintenance aspect of it! | |||
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" How were you judged incorrectly? I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all So a lot like the reaction i got when I had my head shaved grade 0. We can complain it's wrong and I should be able to have whatever hair i want, but we know how some people will react and so you're faced with forever telling the world they are wrong, or making a compromise. A shaved head? Really? Craziness! I am happy to prove people wrong tbh. It used to piss me off but I just just tend to ignore it now. Yes, people never stopped telling me about the negative connotations of skinhead culture, which was well before my time. I was a student and didn't want to pay for haircuts and appreciated the zero maintenance aspect of it! " Ffs! If people can't tell the difference between someone that has shaved their head and a bloody skinhead! Although they should probably be told that real skinheads aren't what people think either lol | |||
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"Norwich football club have painted the away dressing room pink because it "lowers testosterone". Scientifically speaking, that's "utter bollucks" but points for trying. " Surely they would want pre match testosterone levels pretty high, right?!  | |||
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"Norwich football club have painted the away dressing room pink because it "lowers testosterone". Scientifically speaking, that's "utter bollucks" but points for trying. Surely they would want pre match testosterone levels pretty high, right?! "I'm going to ignore the fact that it's bollucks and ask why you would want the away team to have high testosterone if it was true? | |||
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"Norwich football club have painted the away dressing room pink because it "lowers testosterone". Scientifically speaking, that's "utter bollucks" but points for trying. Surely they would want pre match testosterone levels pretty high, right?!
I'm going to ignore the fact that it's bollucks and ask why you would want the away team to have high testosterone if it was true? "Aahh sorry... My brain missed out the away part... Has it been done long enough to show any difference yet?  | |||
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"I am a humanist, I believe nobodies gender/sexual orientation/colour/financial status/appearance etc.. should dictate how they are treated by other people where these things are not important factors. I also believe that some things where people are not included because of some of these things are actually quite unimportant and do not need to be whined about to further the cause imo and can often cause the divides to widen
So what should dictate how people are treated by other people?
Their own merits
So that's fine when were dealing with familiar people. How can I quickly assess the merits of people in frequent, fast and low complexity situations when I need to?
It takes very little time or effort to see what someone is like. Gender/colour etc have stuff all to do with that, at least not to the point that you should discriminate against them for it.
If someone is intent on robbing you, the most likely thing is they walk up to you and try to distract you with something like "have you got the time". You have precisely zero opportunity to get to know them if you are going to evade this, for example crossing the road to avoid them as they approach or refuse to stop and ignore them. Even if you disagree with the specifics, you can't deny there are scenarios where you have to make snap judgements on people and get to know them quickly isn't a solution.
I never denied that, it was even partly what I meant, we make judgements on people so things like this are avoided. It is still down to their behaviour so still not sure where there gender/race/sexual orientation etc would come into it!
It was more "appearance" i was getting at. I do think it's reasonable to judge people based on appearance.
Well as I have been judged extremely incorrectly because of my appearance, I tend not to do the same, unless you class how someone is behaving as appearance, on some level.
How were you judged incorrectly?
I have been followed by store detectives, people have crossed the street with their kids or moved out of my way like I was going to hurt them if they didn't , I've been told I would never get a job dealing with the public because I looked too scary. The Usual ridiculous crap metalheads/punks etc have always gotten. It is less so these days due to the fashion of the moment, but I have never shoplifted, been in a fight, hurt anyone or been threatening. My look is a little softer these days but it has taught me that appearance usually means sod all"That's awful. Imagine if someone said to a little old lady that she looked like a shoplifter. School mum types sometimes fight or threaten each other. | |||
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"Norwich football club have painted the away dressing room pink because it "lowers testosterone". Scientifically speaking, that's "utter bollucks" but points for trying. Surely they would want pre match testosterone levels pretty high, right?!
I'm going to ignore the fact that it's bollucks and ask why you would want the away team to have high testosterone if it was true?
Aahh sorry... My brain missed out the away part... Has it been done long enough to show any difference yet? "Nah and it's hard to compare the same football team one season to the next, too many variables. I've seen a testosterone specialist at the NHS and the science behind this doesn't stack up. As an athlete I'd recommend against it because it's one of those things that's liable to backfire. You have to be really careful who and how you play mind games because do it to the wrong people and you light a fire under their ass and they'll go out there pumped as anything. The exact opposite of the desired intent. | |||
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