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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Prompted by another post this morning, if you are practitcioner of a particular religious faith which promotes fidelity how can you be on here?

Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Prompted by another post this morning, if you are practitcioner of a particular religious faith which promotes fidelity how can you be on here?

Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?"

Saw that thread and wondered too? Particulary seeking views of other observers of that faith.

I guess we're all hypocrites to some degree, but it was a fairly stark request that got me thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not sure that religiosity and swinging are mutually exclusive although the majority of mainstream religions are specifically monogamous. I do know lots of people that identify as practising members of a religion but don’t follow every doctrine of that religion (to be honest; who really can?).

Perhaps identifying with a religious group doesn’t mean following every practise, instead taking a spiritual approach to their lives is more of the way they feel about it?

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By *lenderfoxMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Each to their own, it's up to individuals how they practise their religious beliefs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it's their interpretation or even them acting outside the accepted practice? They may follow the preaching of kindness and supporting of others but embrace a liberated sex life contrary to preaching.

There's people here who are married acting outside the norm by seeking other partners.

Besides society isn't that accepting of swinging? A large percentage of the public probably think it's a bit odd, but many still do it on the quiet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

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My own point, like their belief, is if you "join" or follow a particular religious doctrine then surely it isn't pick-n-mix and you adhere to that faith otherwise you could be considered to be, like a previous poster said, an hypocrite.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit


"Each to their own, it's up to individuals how they practise their religious beliefs"

This

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

I don't practice any religion although my values tend to be Christian.

I went to a private party that was one massive orgy; it finished a little after midnight as the host's had to be in church the next morning.

I don't question this mix of religion and swinging, having a modular lifestyle allows people to be themselves and live a full life; I don't consider it to be hypercritical.

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By *rongstantineWoman
over a year ago

hull


"Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

My own point, like their belief, is if you "join" or follow a particular religious doctrine then surely it isn't pick-n-mix and you adhere to that faith otherwise you could be considered to be, like a previous poster said, an hypocrite."

Religion is the ultimate pick 'n' mix though- I doubt any branch of faith follows their requirements to the letter, it's simply not possible in this day and age, except for maybe the Amish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

My own point, like their belief, is if you "join" or follow a particular religious doctrine then surely it isn't pick-n-mix and you adhere to that faith otherwise you could be considered to be, like a previous poster said, an hypocrite."

Not particularly, plenty of people identify with a faith but don’t follow every doctrine. How many catholics don’t eat meat on a Friday, attend mass or use condoms yet still identify and catholic and follow other aspects of the doctrines?

Are you going to start calling them out as hypocritical?

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

Bless you my children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread that's sure to cause some arguments...

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By *lenderfoxMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

My own point, like their belief, is if you "join" or follow a particular religious doctrine then surely it isn't pick-n-mix and you adhere to that faith otherwise you could be considered to be, like a previous poster said, an hypocrite.

Religion is the ultimate pick 'n' mix though- I doubt any branch of faith follows their requirements to the letter, it's simply not possible in this day and age, except for maybe the

Amish."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is only one god and that's a sex god or tell a lie two gods and the other is a sex goddess, the other god which is spoken about is Just a medieval fairy tale to control the masses.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Your beliefs are yours.

Others beliefs belong to them. How others may reconcile whatever beliefs they hold with swinging or even if they feel they need to are a matter for them alone.

They are not required to follow what you may or may not believe OP.

My own point, like their belief, is if you "join" or follow a particular religious doctrine then surely it isn't pick-n-mix and you adhere to that faith otherwise you could be considered to be, like a previous poster said, an hypocrite.

Religion is the ultimate pick 'n' mix though- I doubt any branch of faith follows their requirements to the letter, it's simply not possible in this day and age, except for maybe the Amish."

Actually you got to the problem i have with it and the reason I'm not religious, if it was true then it should still be true now.

Religion should not be a mirror to society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am single and got a free ticket to heaven

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're Christian and said the traditional vows to each other then yes, you're being a total hypocrite if you're swinging.

But does it matter? Not a jot. As long as people are happy living their lives as they are, then that's all that counts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you're Christian and said the traditional vows to each other then yes, you're being a total hypocrite if you're swinging.

But does it matter? Not a jot. As long as people are happy living their lives as they are, then that's all that counts."

True, Ruby, but as long as you say they're not hypocritical about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you're Christian and said the traditional vows to each other then yes, you're being a total hypocrite if you're swinging.

But does it matter? Not a jot. As long as people are happy living their lives as they are, then that's all that counts.

True, Ruby, but as long as you say they're not hypocritical about it. "

But they are hypocritical. Forsaking all others, that's the vow. Swinging isn't forsaking all others.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you're Christian and said the traditional vows to each other then yes, you're being a total hypocrite if you're swinging.

But does it matter? Not a jot. As long as people are happy living their lives as they are, then that's all that counts.

True, Ruby, but as long as you say they're not hypocritical about it.

But they are hypocritical. Forsaking all others, that's the vow. Swinging isn't forsaking all others. "

Yes, sorry, didn't explain myself properly, what I meant was if they Christian and swing but then be pious about something else.

I received two messages berating me for being on here when I was married from a swinging religious couple in the past, that sort of hypocrisy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lapsed Roman Catholic....with good reason as without question it is the most sexually repressive of the major Christian Churches. I think that is one of the reasons I am as sexually liberated and adventurous as I am....a kinda “Fuck you” to all those celibate priests who used to tell me I was damned for having “impure thoughts” or having sex outside of marriage.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"I’m not sure that religiosity and swinging are mutually exclusive although the majority of mainstream religions are specifically monogamous. I do know lots of people that identify as practising members of a religion but don’t follow every doctrine of that religion (to be honest; who really can?).

Perhaps identifying with a religious group doesn’t mean following every practise, instead taking a spiritual approach to their lives is more of the way they feel about it? "

I absolutely agree that identifying with a religion doesn’t mean following every practice. But, following the main ones such as partaking in alcohol if it’s forbidden and monogamy in marriage are a pretty big deal for some religions.

I friends who are catholic. They are not married, have a child together and also a child from her previous relationship. They have baptised the children into the faith too and the whole family go to church. However, one of the biggest teachings of the Catholic Church is that there should be no sex outside of marriage. I find it hard to comprehend how you can choose to set aside major teachings of your chosen religion but that might be because I choose not to believe in any religion at all

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’m not sure that religiosity and swinging are mutually exclusive although the majority of mainstream religions are specifically monogamous. I do know lots of people that identify as practising members of a religion but don’t follow every doctrine of that religion (to be honest; who really can?).

Perhaps identifying with a religious group doesn’t mean following every practise, instead taking a spiritual approach to their lives is more of the way they feel about it?

I absolutely agree that identifying with a religion doesn’t mean following every practice. But, following the main ones such as partaking in alcohol if it’s forbidden and monogamy in marriage are a pretty big deal for some religions.

I friends who are catholic. They are not married, have a child together and also a child from her previous relationship. They have baptised the children into the faith too and the whole family go to church. However, one of the biggest teachings of the Catholic Church is that there should be no sex outside of marriage. I find it hard to comprehend how you can choose to set aside major teachings of your chosen religion but that might be because I choose not to believe in any religion at all"

Couldn't agree with you more. If you can't follow the doctrine then don't "join".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't practice any religion although my values tend to be Christian.

I went to a private party that was one massive orgy; it finished a little after midnight as the host's had to be in church the next morning.

I don't question this mix of religion and swinging, having a modular lifestyle allows people to be themselves and live a full life; I don't consider it to be hypercritical."

I wonder if they were catholic,bet the priest enjoyed their confession!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


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Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?"

The only qualification for being on here is a healthy interest in unfettered sex. I don't think you or I have the right to disqualify anyone because they hold beliefs different from you or I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you're Christian and said the traditional vows to each other then yes, you're being a total hypocrite if you're swinging.

But does it matter? Not a jot. As long as people are happy living their lives as they are, then that's all that counts.

True, Ruby, but as long as you say they're not hypocritical about it.

But they are hypocritical. Forsaking all others, that's the vow. Swinging isn't forsaking all others. "

Religious doctrine these days is open to interpretation - the religious are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in the religious texts to suit their own agenda. For example, your "forsaking all others". There's no real definition of "forsake" in the various texts. It could mean you should forsake others spiritually rather than sexually. It could mean to forsake others in the respect of deliberate procreation, but not for sexual fun. It could just mean that your spouse is your "chosen" one for various aspects of marriage within that religion, but not for all aspects. Religion can be twisted and turned like a twisty-turny thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really see the point of these types of threads on religion and swinging. Are you genuinely trying to get your head around how these people think? Or are you preaching from the pulpit, imagining your sermon will suddenly wake them up and cause them to stop swinging? Or is this just a thinly veiled effort to proselytize your own views on others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m not sure that religiosity and swinging are mutually exclusive although the majority of mainstream religions are specifically monogamous. I do know lots of people that identify as practising members of a religion but don’t follow every doctrine of that religion (to be honest; who really can?).

Perhaps identifying with a religious group doesn’t mean following every practise, instead taking a spiritual approach to their lives is more of the way they feel about it?

I absolutely agree that identifying with a religion doesn’t mean following every practice. But, following the main ones such as partaking in alcohol if it’s forbidden and monogamy in marriage are a pretty big deal for some religions.

I friends who are catholic. They are not married, have a child together and also a child from her previous relationship. They have baptised the children into the faith too and the whole family go to church. However, one of the biggest teachings of the Catholic Church is that there should be no sex outside of marriage. I find it hard to comprehend how you can choose to set aside major teachings of your chosen religion but that might be because I choose not to believe in any religion at all

Couldn't agree with you more. If you can't follow the doctrine then don't "join"."

That’s a very myopic and overly simplified view of what is a complex social and moral situation. It’s not like joining an am dram club, for some religions you are ‘in’ from birth and to leave would mean being ostracised from community, family and friends.

Please don’t lets fall into the trap of generalising and pointing the ‘hypocrisy finger’ when this is a delicate and very personal situation for most involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really see the point of these types of threads on religion and swinging. Are you genuinely trying to get your head around how these people think? Or are you preaching from the pulpit, imagining your sermon will suddenly wake them up and cause them to stop swinging? Or is this just a thinly veiled effort to proselytize your own views on others? "

Personally I find it interesting and a worthy topic for discussion, however moral grandstanding is something that many people enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it. "

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality. "

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times. "

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most

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By *uriousTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

I’ll struggle with this one once we are married, but I’m hoping I can excuse it as consensual as opposed to unfaithful! I could always ask my vicar as I’m friends with him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ll struggle with this one once we are married, but I’m hoping I can excuse it as consensual as opposed to unfaithful! I could always ask my vicar as I’m friends with him "

Do you consider yourself religious? In which case then how do you feel about sex before marriage?

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By *uriousTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"I’ll struggle with this one once we are married, but I’m hoping I can excuse it as consensual as opposed to unfaithful! I could always ask my vicar as I’m friends with him

Do you consider yourself religious? In which case then how do you feel about sex before marriage? "

I don’t promote myself as religious, but do embrace the CofE/British upbringing, so I’m ok with lots of sex with lots of people before marriage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A pineapple up your ass is good practice for eternity in hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ll struggle with this one once we are married, but I’m hoping I can excuse it as consensual as opposed to unfaithful! I could always ask my vicar as I’m friends with him

Do you consider yourself religious? In which case then how do you feel about sex before marriage?

I don’t promote myself as religious, but do embrace the CofE/British upbringing, so I’m ok with lots of sex with lots of people before marriage"

Ok, I guess this is one of those ‘picked’ doctrines. Obviously the wedding vows state ‘forsaking all others’ so how will you both feel about that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Neither of us believe in religion.

In our opinion those that do are hypocrites if it is forbidden in their particular cult.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most"

So are you saying religion should mirror modern society?

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I’m a proud bible basher. I eat mussels, have same-sex dates and have tatts too.

I suppose my only explanation is, I pray, I observe the golden rule etc etc... but it’s not 1618 anymore and I find monogamy makes me feel ill. Can’t help how I’m made. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most

So are you saying religion should mirror modern society?"

No, I’m saying that religion doesn’t fit with modern living in many cases. How people deal with the difference is a very personal thing and not something that I would try to lecture or pass judgement on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Neither of us believe in religion.

In our opinion those that do are hypocrites if it is forbidden in their particular cult."

Those are very harsh and judgemental words to be using. I would hope that there is no moral or ethical turpitude in your lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most"

This is like camels talking about ice cream. That's why I don't see the point of these threads. They exhibit no insight into religious thinking whatsoever. They just attempt to prod what they consider to be a wound. I'd hazard a guess that no religions anywhere (unless you count scientology as a religion) have ever been interested in controlling the masses. That's just an atheist meme. Religion is always centred on the personal. It is never social

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most

This is like camels talking about ice cream. That's why I don't see the point of these threads. They exhibit no insight into religious thinking whatsoever. They just attempt to prod what they consider to be a wound. I'd hazard a guess that no religions anywhere (unless you count scientology as a religion) have ever been interested in controlling the masses. That's just an atheist meme. Religion is always centred on the personal. It is never social "

You may hazard that guess however you’d be very very wrong, I’ve studied theology in a fair amount of depth and that is in essence what religion did/does.

As for the reasoning behind these discussions; I find them interesting and enlightening, not everything has to be about sex. There are often discussions about politics or sport on these forums, why not religion? I’ve been posting on this thread in an attempt to rebuff those that we’re talking about hypocrisy which is the essential theme of this thread, not discussion about religious doctrine. By all means though I’m happy to discuss those with you too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Neither of us believe in religion.

In our opinion those that do are hypocrites if it is forbidden in their particular cult."

Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging, or even sex outside of marriage. There are phrases, parables and passages that many take to mean those things, but that is only the interpretation of the individual. The texts of the most successful religions are ambiguous enough to allow for meanings to vary, and the clerics who make those decisions have made themselves very wealthy over the centuries interpreting them in favour of whoever pays them the most money, or "donations to the church".

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By *bonynivoryCouple
over a year ago

market harborough


"Bless you my children "

Everybody only adopts their belief system to the point where it, conflicts with self interest or prejudice. Don't actually understand what your surprised at,it's only an extension of how all religions modify or adhere to their own religious principles to the point it hurts them, then they change them to suit and you end up with multiple religions all supposedly believing the same single text, lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone ever follow their religion 100%? I'd imagine that as swinging is consensual, it's not infidelity and that's why they feel ok with it.

Absolutely, also I find that many people feel that modern life doesn’t fit with centuries old scriptures and so opt for a more modern approach to their spirituality.

That makes sense. I'm not experienced in religious teachings but much of it seems to be open to interpretation anyway. So I can understand how people may alter their beliefs to bring them more into line with modern times.

Yes, also many doctrines are contrary to modern living and often are rooted in controlling the masses. Things like catholic sexual doctrine simply don’t match with modern good sexual practices so are dismissed by most

This is like camels talking about ice cream. That's why I don't see the point of these threads. They exhibit no insight into religious thinking whatsoever. They just attempt to prod what they consider to be a wound. I'd hazard a guess that no religions anywhere (unless you count scientology as a religion) have ever been interested in controlling the masses. That's just an atheist meme. Religion is always centred on the personal. It is never social

You may hazard that guess however you’d be very very wrong, I’ve studied theology in a fair amount of depth and that is in essence what religion did/does.

As for the reasoning behind these discussions; I find them interesting and enlightening, not everything has to be about sex. There are often discussions about politics or sport on these forums, why not religion? I’ve been posting on this thread in an attempt to rebuff those that we’re talking about hypocrisy which is the essential theme of this thread, not discussion about religious doctrine. By all means though I’m happy to discuss those with you too"

Apologies tea monkey. I don't mean to get at you. It's just these threads in general rarely exhibit any grasp of religion. They're just displays of ignorance imo. But of course it's a totally legitimate subject. Just perhaps not a great place to seek any insight into it.

Religion has never been concerned with crowds. It is, by definition, concerned about the individual. It advises individuals to act in certain ways and that later plays out across society. Tell a Roman Catholic that too many kids are being born and they'll likely agree. But suggest that should change their personal views on birth control and in many cases you'll hit a rock.

I'm guessing you're a non believer who has studied "neutral" views on religion written by other non believers. I only say this because that's where the population control meme comes from. If you believed I think you'd understand it much better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging"

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

Perhaps a more insightful question to ask is if anyone believes god will judge them badly for enjoying themselves and having consensual fun with others. I doubt you'll find many on here who see god in this way. After all, to most Christians, god is supposed to be all loving and forgiving... right?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

Perhaps a more insightful question to ask is if anyone believes god will judge them badly for enjoying themselves and having consensual fun with others. I doubt you'll find many on here who see god in this way. After all, to most Christians, god is supposed to be all loving and forgiving... right? "

But many would argue it isn't about judgement anyway, they would say it's more like 'Ok, here's the book on how to make it work - follow it or don't, it's up to you'.

'Everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial', so therefore if people make a free choice to separate themselves by their actions, they might just end up separated.

Are they hypocrites? It depends on their attitude in my opinion. I think a lot are just burying their head in the sand, denying that there is a conflict when there clearly is.

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's always entertaining to watch Christian's cherry pick the bible .Its

deliciously satisfying .They are what they are I suppose .It never ceases to amaze me how an all loving god can justify Slavery genocide and murder.

Remember children it's because he loves you .

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By *rallvalCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline


"Prompted by another post this morning, if you are practitcioner of a particular religious faith which promotes fidelity how can you be on here?

Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?"

Given that the minister who performed my wedding was shagging his married parishioners behind his wife's back and that the priest who married my mate was an alcoholic done for kiddie fiddling and syphoning off collection money then I decided that nobody will tell me ever again what I can and can't do within the law.

Given that almost every religion has huge schisms on a minute point of interpretation and also that all the books tell you not to do something and also tell you do it then I choose to interpret all religious book as allowing all kinds of sex just as long as all are human and legally able to consent.

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL

I am a vicar and will happily take confessions from those swingers with troubled souls

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By *horecruxCouple
over a year ago

SE4


"I am a vicar and will happily take confessions from those swingers with troubled souls "

Forgive me mother for it has been some time indeed.....

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL


"I am a vicar and will happily take confessions from those swingers with troubled souls

Forgive me mother for it has been some time indeed....."

I am Father, but my nun likes to punish those who have sinned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance."

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts? It's like suggesting Christians who use microwaves have cognitive dissonance. Neither swinging nor microwaves were around 2,000 yrs ago.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts? "

There is no major religion that condones casual sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts?

There is no major religion that condones casual sex."

There is no religious text that condemns it. As such any opinion of the faith on the matter is purely advisory. Surely? I don't subscribe to any faith btw. But if the "word of god" of any faith doesn't forbid it, regardless of how odd the rest of us might find it, I don't see why any cognitive dissonance need be involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Prompted by another post this morning, if you are practitcioner of a particular religious faith which promotes fidelity how can you be on here?

Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?"

As an atheist I don't see it is my place to tell religious people what they should or shouldn't do nor is it my place to question what parts of their religion they adhere to and what parts they turn a blind eye too. How they justify any apparent contradiction is for their conscience, not my judgement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts?

There is no major religion that condones casual sex.

There is no religious text that condemns it. As such any opinion of the faith on the matter is purely advisory. Surely? I don't subscribe to any faith btw. But if the "word of god" of any faith doesn't forbid it, regardless of how odd the rest of us might find it, I don't see why any cognitive dissonance need be involved "

I'm pretty sure "though shalt nit commit adultery" and though shalt not covert thy neighbour's wife" are not endorsements of casual seX?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts?

There is no major religion that condones casual sex.

There is no religious text that condemns it. "

They all do, it is known as fornication.

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

Go back far enough in history and swinging as such was commonplace in most areas of the globe. A hedonistic lifestyle was prevalent with those in power and polygamy was allowed. It's only the past few centuries that has tried to make sex an monogamous act, some choose monogamy, others don't.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Nowhere in any religious script does it forbid swinging

See. That's the end of the thread right there. No texts have any opinion on it. Some priests may advise against it. But they're just fallible priests. What more do you need to know?

I would say the honest place is to put your hand up and accept there is cognitive dissonance.

But where's the cognitive dissonance if swinging isn't mentioned in any of the religious texts?

There is no major religion that condones casual sex.

There is no religious text that condemns it.

They all do, it is known as fornication."

Sexual immorality in the modern translations.

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By *rallvalCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline


"Neither swinging nor microwaves were around 2,000 yrs ago. "

Swinging was around 2000 years ago.

Roman orgies were commonly reported in Roman letters and poems.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Prompted by another post this morning, if you are practitcioner of a particular religious faith which promotes fidelity how can you be on here?

Although I'm an atheist I firmly believe if you are a practicing Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc then either you're not or you shouldn't be on here.

The, fellow Forumites?"

Infidelity is the same as cheating, which is not the same as swinging.

There are even some Christian swinging organisations.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find the faiths baffling. It strikes me that religion is to them what enlightenment through learning is to educational institutions. In the sense that imo religion is a noble aspiration but most places of worship fall far short of it. Some so far that to call them religious is false advertising. Just like some educational institutions have come to focus more on the drudgery of getting people skilled and into work than anything more lofty, it seems most faiths are utterly distracted by entirely unreligious issues. One such issue seems to be the maintenance of cultural traditions. Since when was the maintenance of cultural traditions an aspect of being religious? I guess this is where conflicting translations of what that word means come in, with some arguing that religion means literally "to read closely" and that, as such, to be religious is to maintain and perpetuate a given tradition. All I would say in response is if that's all religion means to you then you're not religious in the slightest imo.

As I said... baffling

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