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Is iq a good measure of intelligence?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m stupid

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By *idlandiaMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

It's a good way to test a certain type of intelligence, bit there are other types and tests. Such as eq and general knowledge.

As the saying goes,if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.

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By *cd and scruffCouple
over a year ago

Rochester

Yes.

If those are the only two letters of the alphabet you know you have issues.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

It’s a good measure of a very narrow and specific type of intelligence

I prefer the SQ that measures sexual intelligence. I’m willing to test you!

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I think the original formula was a basic test to measure "intelligence" for the US armed forces.

It's been refined a bit since then but still holds good for a measure of problem solving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A great measure of intelligence is some one who can listen to the William Tell Overture and NOT think of the lone ranger

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!.

They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Intelligence is demonstrated in so many different ways, so no it’s the measurement that should define someone’s intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont understand the question

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

IQ is what it is - the ability for logical thought, the ability to use logic to solve novel problems - no more, no less, and I call that intelligence.

Any other skill/aptitude/ability, and there are many, I call something else.

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By *pepepipoxMan
over a year ago

London

I think in Fab, we tend to measure intelligence by comparing it to a sky remote or to some non-descript deodorant spray can.

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By *ottie_84Woman
over a year ago

Nottingham

People tend to underestimate me because I’m quirky with my hair, tattoos and piercings people seem to think I’m not intelligent whereas I actually am quite articulate and clever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?"

You discuss a lot of stuff shag...

I am imagining you and your friends sitting around having a discourse about different topics and passing round the haribo

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By *a Fee VerteWoman
over a year ago

Limbo

I don't think it is necessarily. I'm the sort of annoying swotty swot for whom doing very well in exams is relatively easy as I enjoy studying and have a good memory. I'm also pretty good at logical tests like IQ tests and my 'intelligence' has been remarked upon fairly often. Problem is, most of it goes in one ear and out the other and I've certainly not 'fulfilled my potential' or made capital out of my qualifications because I don't seem to possess all the *other* attributes you need to get on in life. Which makes me feel very stupid and shows that an aptitude for doing well in tests means little in the greater scheme of things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100.

However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things.

Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"IQ is what it is - the ability for logical thought, the ability to use logic to solve novel problems - no more, no less, and I call that intelligence.

Any other skill/aptitude/ability, and there are many, I call something else."
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Stop explaining, it's the school sports day in here

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100.

However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things.

Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem.

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150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish


"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!.

They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).

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I didn't know this... Makes sense though.

I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.

Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!.

They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).

I didn't know this... Makes sense though.

I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.

Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled."
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Aspergers?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100.

However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things.

Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem.

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Duh, that's what IQ is - the ability to solve the problem!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need a good mix of common sense and IQ then not use text speak, to be classed as intelligent in my book

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?"

An IQ test is a great way to test a person's ability to do IQ tests...

Cal

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


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150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

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No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher."
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Hahaha it's a good job my memory isn't tested, I remember it being 130 for the 2%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a fairly high IQ but not everyone that is super clever is actually very smart. Emotional intelligence is just as important, to me at least. I can't deal with stupid on any level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IQ tests are a fairly blunt tool. I can score highly on them, and also have pretty good common sense/emotional intelligence. But my skills are limited and I struggle in certain areas of learning (maths and science are definitely not my forte!).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher."

Yup

Offspring is top 2%.

He does my fucking head in

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

Yup

Offspring is top 2%.

He does my fucking head in"

Lol next prime minister then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

Critical analysis is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work with lots of brilliant people (Sheldons) who are clever .... but not smart

The really lucky ones are both clever and smart .... not many of them around.... (Gates, Jobs etc)

Im a Howard at work (Mechanical Engineer).... generally clever but not smart at all

Ah well... I make up for it with bedroom skills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

Yup

Offspring is top 2%.

He does my fucking head in

Lol next prime minister then "

No. That would involve gettin' outta bed.

And finding socks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?

You discuss a lot of stuff shag...

I am imagining you and your friends sitting around having a discourse about different topics and passing round the haribo "
Ty yes, we discuss about lots of things and yes, we do have some haribos too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

Yup

Offspring is top 2%.

He does my fucking head in

Lol next prime minister then

No. That would involve gettin' outta bed.

And finding socks"

Bugger. Maybe that guy that sits on his arse in the House of Commons all day shouting “Oi Oi” all the time then. He seems to be smart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

Yup

Offspring is top 2%.

He does my fucking head in

Lol next prime minister then

No. That would involve gettin' outta bed.

And finding socks

Bugger. Maybe that guy that sits on his arse in the House of Commons all day shouting “Oi Oi” all the time then. He seems to be smart "

They SEEM to be smart, yes

Appearances can be ever so deceptive

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By *heGriswoldsCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?"

I’m not intelligent however I’m far from stupid (most of the time hehe) Some people are just really clever in a different way.....I’ve found in my personal opinion some extremely intelligent people have absolutely no common sense and actually come across stupid.....it’s what makes the world go round hey....x

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100.

However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things.

Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem.

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150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat"

As SH is dead he wouldn’t qualify for a life boat. You could use his coffin as a bouncy aid thought if it’s made from wood.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am paying close attention to this thread.

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By *av_55Man
over a year ago

NE

Brilliant yet so true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brilliant yet so true "

What is?

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Nah, my ex girlfriend has a Mensa IQ but zero common sense. Still makes me howl at the crap she comes out with

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By *av_55Man
over a year ago

NE

I find it suprising a lot off intelligent people are religious and believe in the preachings in the bible . Buddhism I can live with but the people who put the Apollo missions in space and the man on the moon where racist bigots but super intelligent

Education is no sign of intelligence

Bit then again I left school with nothing and travelled the world and had a good life

I’m sure some one will pick it a spelling mistake or punctuation fault fill ya boots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

Psychologist tested me and said my IQ is 80.

But 10 years later I’m flying allumnium tubes a mile above ground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe iq measures potential for intelligence rather than actual intelligence

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

There are so many variants when it comes to intelligence. I did very badly at school because that wasn't my focus as I spent nearly 6 years from age 14 looking after my sick grandmother. I left school and went straight to work. Then went back to college and realised I'm not as stupid as I thought I was. I know what I need to know and if something comes up that I need to know but don't then I will learn it. I will continue to upskill in my field as you can never stop learning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think the iq tests are good measurement, I know so many super intelligent people who score very highly but struggle to make a sandwich with unsliced bread, and so many people who score low on these test but have the life experience to master so much, yet have the inability to explain how or why they took that option it’s difficult to fathom why but if I was put in a box full of wavy lines and dots yes I score high enough to get out, in real life if I needed that box and only had limited materials I’d fail badly , but yes I can cut bread

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"I’m stupid "

All the best people are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think the iq tests are good measurement, I know so many super intelligent people who score very highly but struggle to make a sandwich with unsliced bread, and so many people who score low on these test but have the life experience to master so much, yet have the inability to explain how or why they took that option it’s difficult to fathom why but if I was put in a box full of wavy lines and dots yes I score high enough to get out, in real life if I needed that box and only had limited materials I’d fail badly , but yes I can cut bread"

I’ve been diaganose with ADHD.

What I find more interesting about myself is I have a disability of understanding words. Don’t matter if it’s spoken or written. I could read something very simple, but not a clue what it’s talking about.

Which related to my writing skills. Sometimes the way I write makes absolutely no sense to others unless they know me in person. Then they’d get it. I must mention, English is my second language which make sure it a bit more challenging. But even when my family writes to me in our mother tongue. I still struggle to understand what they’re saying. It’s frustrsinf sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jordan Peterson makes some really good points on this subject. He says that there is only one type of intelligence, IQ, and it's effectiveness is demonstrated by the fact that there is a very strong correlation between iq and success - career success and financial success

You'd have to listen to him for the full argument, but that is definitely the way the research looks at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes if they include .

musical-rhythmic intelligence

visual-spatial intelligence

verbal-linguistic intelligence

logical-mathematical intelligence

bodily-kinesthetic inteligence interpersonal intelligence

intrapersonal, and

naturalistic intelligence

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)


"I don’t think the iq tests are good measurement, I know so many super intelligent people who score very highly but struggle to make a sandwich with unsliced bread, and so many people who score low on these test but have the life experience to master so much, yet have the inability to explain how or why they took that option it’s difficult to fathom why but if I was put in a box full of wavy lines and dots yes I score high enough to get out, in real life if I needed that box and only had limited materials I’d fail badly , but yes I can cut bread

I’ve been diaganose with ADHD.

What I find more interesting about myself is I have a disability of understanding words. Don’t matter if it’s spoken or written. I could read something very simple, but not a clue what it’s talking about.

Which related to my writing skills. Sometimes the way I write makes absolutely no sense to others unless they know me in person. Then they’d get it. I must mention, English is my second language which make sure it a bit more challenging. But even when my family writes to me in our mother tongue. I still struggle to understand what they’re saying. It’s frustrsinf sometimes"

I would say that is dyslexia not adhd

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over a year ago

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By *onnyJohnMan
over a year ago

Doncaster


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher."

Depends which scale you use, there are several.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
Forum Mod
over a year ago

My Own Little World

I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"

150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher.

Depends which scale you use, there are several."
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Yes your right and yes I'm right, I checked afterwards,130 is the 2% and 150 the 0.2% by the vast majority of scales used.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think the original formula was a basic test to measure "intelligence" for the US armed forces.

It's been refined a bit since then but still holds good for a measure of problem solving."

I disagree. The tests are more like "guess what the test writer is thinking" than real problems. I score horribly on them because it's just a bunch of random shapes to me. I work with many people that have 20-40 IQ points on me and frankly I can frequently solve real analysis problems that they can't even attempt. It's a personality traits that some people, like me, can't be bothered with invented problems to solve and are only interested in real world applications. The tests favour people that do brilliantly on tests and achieve little in the real world. The fact that IQ scores can be improved by studying the tests says it all really.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times "
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I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's not a great measure of intelligence Imo for several reasons.

It only relates to some aspects of the human minds working, also includes elements that appear not especially intelligence, such as culturally biased parts.

It's also based on 2 major flaws - we've not thoroughly and universally grasped or agreed what intelligence is yet and this methodology for texting it is based on flawed research and results. I think it also reflects a Western male dominated cultural perspective, which makes it even more troublesome.

Needs a lot of work still

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Knowing a tomato is a fruit - intelligence

Knowing not to put it in a fruit salad - wisdom.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit""

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
Forum Mod
over a year ago

My Own Little World

My IQ puts me in the top 2%, and most of the time I am pretty sure that is wrong. So I don't have a great deal of faith in IQ tests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not a great measure of intelligence Imo for several reasons.

It only relates to some aspects of the human minds working, also includes elements that appear not especially intelligence, such as culturally biased parts.

It's also based on 2 major flaws - we've not thoroughly and universally grasped or agreed what intelligence is yet and this methodology for texting it is based on flawed research and results. I think it also reflects a Western male dominated cultural perspective, which makes it even more troublesome.

Needs a lot of work still

"

It's still amazing that a single attribute that's easily testable is a really strongly correlated predictor of success. That says something profound. But you're right that there's a definitional problem, if we decide intelligence as that thing that iq measures, then it's a circular definition. From what I've read, most experimental psychologists agree that there is only one intelligence attribute, however, and that other attributes are something else - eg. Agreeableness, which you might define in conjunction with intelligence as "emotional intelligence"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover. "

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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It’s a measure of sorts but not the full picture I’m sure.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have."

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100. "

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that "

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry

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over a year ago


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry "
you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

"

Agreed, what's the problem?


"

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it "

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130...

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

Agreed, what's the problem?

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130..."
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I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

Agreed, what's the problem?

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....

I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though "

Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire.

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over a year ago

The IQ test has been shit on by academia for decades for the sole reason that they’re scared that the common scumbag off the street might be smarter than they are.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

Agreed, what's the problem?

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....

I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though

Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. "
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Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

Agreed, what's the problem?

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....

I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though

Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. .

Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world."

Valid point. That is one type of problem solving though, albeit an important one. But take someone like Charlie Wilson (politician) and what he achieved. I doubt his IQ is near 130 but he's just drop dead shrewd and solved a problem that I don't think any inventors could (I.e. how to get the American political system to authorise the export of stinger missiles to Afghanistan).

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .

I honestly doubt it!.

If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"

Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.

You can’t measure those though.

So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.

We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.

But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that

Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.

Agreed, what's the problem?

My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.

So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it

What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....

I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though

Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. .

Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world.

Valid point. That is one type of problem solving though, albeit an important one. But take someone like Charlie Wilson (politician) and what he achieved. I doubt his IQ is near 130 but he's just drop dead shrewd and solved a problem that I don't think any inventors could (I.e. how to get the American political system to authorise the export of stinger missiles to Afghanistan). "
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Oh yea sure there's some brilliant none "problem solvers" , wonderful people with great oral skills and people skills and more importantly vision like Steve Jobs!

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish


"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!.

They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).

I didn't know this... Makes sense though.

I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.

Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled..

Aspergers? "

Nope

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!.

They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).

I didn't know this... Makes sense though.

I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.

Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled..

Aspergers?

Nope"
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Ha that's ok, I only asked as I suffer from it myself. I have to give extra thought to what emoji I stick on the end

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over a year ago

Interesting points everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting points everyone "

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bit about problem solving...in the real world I'd argue that it is influenced most by IQ + creativity.

Are the two correlated or are there good tests for creativity?

IQ seems quite narrowly focused but it's still a useful guide to success in life it seems.

I think aptitude testing (across the range of skills) should feature a lot more in schools and career guidance and hiring.

Now for the dick measuring contest.. who has the highest score?

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?"

Common sense is best....

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over a year ago


"The bit about problem solving...in the real world I'd argue that it is influenced most by IQ + creativity.

Are the two correlated or are there good tests for creativity?

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Common sense needs adding.

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over a year ago

Yeah yeah about common sense...uncommon sense is generally what's needed to crack tough problems. A different perspective.

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over a year ago


"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100.

However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things.

Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem.

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150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club.

Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat"

See that’s the sort of common sense I’m tslkkng about

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