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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " I'd say this would be bang out of order and be mega naffed off. | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " If it was ‘appropriate’ staff such as Line Manager/Managing Director/HR I would be fine with it and if they accessed it for a reason to do my my employment but if it was any other staff member doing it just to nosey then I would be annoyed. | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x" Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. " That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. " But why would spomeone checking salary read their medical history? | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x" Even if they have access to people's files they shouldn't be accessing them willy nilly to see if you've got anything wrong with you because they saw you acting a particular way. It's a bit like a Dr's receptionist having access to your medical records and reading through them when they're bored. They shouldn't be doing it. I have access to a lot of information about a lot of people at work as a manager but I am not allowed to access it without good reason. | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x Even if they have access to people's files they shouldn't be accessing them willy nilly to see if you've got anything wrong with you because they saw you acting a particular way. It's a bit like a Dr's receptionist having access to your medical records and reading through them when they're bored. They shouldn't be doing it. I have access to a lot of information about a lot of people at work as a manager but I am not allowed to access it without good reason. " I would make sure that bit is confidential then and for only certain people x | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x Even if they have access to people's files they shouldn't be accessing them willy nilly to see if you've got anything wrong with you because they saw you acting a particular way. It's a bit like a Dr's receptionist having access to your medical records and reading through them when they're bored. They shouldn't be doing it. I have access to a lot of information about a lot of people at work as a manager but I am not allowed to access it without good reason. I would make sure that bit is confidential then and for only certain people x" That's the whole point of the thread....medical information should be confidential but if you found out a colleague (not a manager) had access to this information and decided to read it for no official reason, how would you feel? | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x Even if they have access to people's files they shouldn't be accessing them willy nilly to see if you've got anything wrong with you because they saw you acting a particular way. It's a bit like a Dr's receptionist having access to your medical records and reading through them when they're bored. They shouldn't be doing it. I have access to a lot of information about a lot of people at work as a manager but I am not allowed to access it without good reason. I would make sure that bit is confidential then and for only certain people x That's the whole point of the thread....medical information should be confidential but if you found out a colleague (not a manager) had access to this information and decided to read it for no official reason, how would you feel? " Me personally it wouldn't really bother me as long as it didn't affect my job. If it's on your file it's there. If it's something that you don't want people to know then deal with it at first point of call. On a whole tho I wouldn't give it a second thought x | |||
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"Having read the other thread I think I would be fuming if a colleague who had access to my HR file "had a nosey" to settle their own curiosities about a health condition that I had not shared. Whatever the motives (and in fairness they seem genuine) you simply can't do that. There are clear data protection issues and potential disciplinary ones too" . Every nurse and worker at a doctors has access to your health files,I know this to be true as a good friend who works at my doctors let slip that I haven't been since I was 12,I just quipped back it's not my fault I just haven't been ill!. Did make me realise though that private files aren't as private as I thought | |||
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"Having read the other thread I think I would be fuming if a colleague who had access to my HR file "had a nosey" to settle their own curiosities about a health condition that I had not shared. Whatever the motives (and in fairness they seem genuine) you simply can't do that. There are clear data protection issues and potential disciplinary ones too. Every nurse and worker at a doctors has access to your health files,I know this to be true as a good friend who works at my doctors let slip that I haven't been since I was 12,I just quipped back it's not my fault I just haven't been ill!. Did make me realise though that private files aren't as private as I thought" Why were they looking at your file? | |||
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"Access as in authority or just happened to come across it x Access it for a reason regarding my employment, could be to check my salary in the event of, for example, a pay rise, accessed by appropriate staff who are in a position of authority, decision makers. That wouldn't bother me then. I'd be more surprised if they had to make important decisions and hadn't read it x Even if they have access to people's files they shouldn't be accessing them willy nilly to see if you've got anything wrong with you because they saw you acting a particular way. It's a bit like a Dr's receptionist having access to your medical records and reading through them when they're bored. They shouldn't be doing it. I have access to a lot of information about a lot of people at work as a manager but I am not allowed to access it without good reason. I would make sure that bit is confidential then and for only certain people x That's the whole point of the thread....medical information should be confidential but if you found out a colleague (not a manager) had access to this information and decided to read it for no official reason, how would you feel? " I'd be angry at the company for not keeping records safe. The colleague shouldn't be able to access them. | |||
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"Having read the other thread I think I would be fuming if a colleague who had access to my HR file "had a nosey" to settle their own curiosities about a health condition that I had not shared. Whatever the motives (and in fairness they seem genuine) you simply can't do that. There are clear data protection issues and potential disciplinary ones too. Every nurse and worker at a doctors has access to your health files,I know this to be true as a good friend who works at my doctors let slip that I haven't been since I was 12,I just quipped back it's not my fault I just haven't been ill!. Did make me realise though that private files aren't as private as I thought" Did you complain to the practice? That's a disgusting breach of confidentiality. | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " Those aspects of your HR file should be extremely restricted. Only people with a real reason to know should know. | |||
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"Having read the other thread I think I would be fuming if a colleague who had access to my HR file "had a nosey" to settle their own curiosities about a health condition that I had not shared. Whatever the motives (and in fairness they seem genuine) you simply can't do that. There are clear data protection issues and potential disciplinary ones too. Every nurse and worker at a doctors has access to your health files,I know this to be true as a good friend who works at my doctors let slip that I haven't been since I was 12,I just quipped back it's not my fault I just haven't been ill!. Did make me realise though that private files aren't as private as I thought" That's a data breach under Caldecott principles and gross professional misconduct. They are clearly not your friend either. They may all have access to medical records but are under very strict rules. | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " making a big deal of it will make an even bigger deal of it but certainly the person who has breached that very private and confidential information should be rebuked for it, if they have official access mind who knows | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " I am sure this is covered by the new GDPR regulations, unless they had a reason to look at your file for a professional use linked to your and their job they shouldn't have access to your file. | |||
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"Official access doesn't mean they can view the information willy nilly. They have to have reason and authority to do it. " Well true and the information shouldn't be passed on its private they the company wouldn’t have employed said person if the very private information affected their ability to perform their work | |||
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"I'd be fuming and be after blood! Nobody has the right to look at your personnel file just out of curiosity. It doesn't matter if they're intentions were "good". If that person had wanted the original poster (on other thread) to know about it, I'm sure they would have said. This is why I asked how they knew that person had that specific condition (plenty of conditions can make you have tremors). It stinks of just being bloody nosey and being a busy body, nothing to do with good intentions." nosey busy bodies are the pits aren't they | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " Id be looking at ripping someone’s head off | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. If it was ‘appropriate’ staff such as Line Manager/Managing Director/HR I would be fine with it and if they accessed it for a reason to do my my employment but if it was any other staff member doing it just to nosey then I would be annoyed." This | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " I would feel angry. If the intention was to help it was misguided, there could be other just as personal information on that file completely unconnected with the issue. | |||
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"I wasn't happy that someone in my department told my colleagues I had had a miscarriage. I'd only told 2 people and they were the head's secretary and my SENCO. When I came back I was inundated with pity, that I didn't want. " I had this happen. I told my senior member of staff and my manager. I came back to work and my senior had told absolutely everybody. I was fuming | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " I would be extremely annoyed and would expect some kind of disciplinary action to be taken against the person who did the snooping. If people with a medical condition want their colleagues to know, it is up to them to release that information. As long as their manager knows, in case they need any assistance to carry out their job, that's where it should stay. | |||
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"Having read the other thread I think I would be fuming if a colleague who had access to my HR file "had a nosey" to settle their own curiosities about a health condition that I had not shared. Whatever the motives (and in fairness they seem genuine) you simply can't do that. There are clear data protection issues and potential disciplinary ones too. Every nurse and worker at a doctors has access to your health files,I know this to be true as a good friend who works at my doctors let slip that I haven't been since I was 12,I just quipped back it's not my fault I just haven't been ill!. Did make me realise though that private files aren't as private as I thought That's a data breach under Caldecott principles and gross professional misconduct. They are clearly not your friend either. They may all have access to medical records but are under very strict rules. " They usually have to access through their own logins too, to provide markers to who is accessing this info, definitely can be a career changing move, if done without good reason. | |||
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"Well they wouldnt just be a colleage. No i wouldnt mind in the slightest. Id sooner them no than make wrong assumptions" What do you meant they wouldn't just be a colleague? | |||
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"Well they wouldnt just be a colleage. No i wouldnt mind in the slightest. Id sooner them no than make wrong assumptions What do you meant they wouldn't just be a colleague? " well im assuming not everyone has access so they would have to be a manager or personal | |||
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"Well they wouldnt just be a colleage. No i wouldnt mind in the slightest. Id sooner them no than make wrong assumptions What do you meant they wouldn't just be a colleague? well im assuming not everyone has access so they would have to be a manager or personal" People in some HR departments have access to personnel files without being managers. As mentioned above, simply working in HR or personnel does not give someone cart blanche to access files without good reason. Being nosey is not a good reason. | |||
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"As a manager myself this is a serious breach of data protection and is gross misconduct " This | |||
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"Well they wouldnt just be a colleage. No i wouldnt mind in the slightest. Id sooner them no than make wrong assumptions What do you meant they wouldn't just be a colleague? well im assuming not everyone has access so they would have to be a manager or personal People in some HR departments have access to personnel files without being managers. As mentioned above, simply working in HR or personnel does not give someone cart blanche to access files without good reason. Being nosey is not a good reason. " i this is a hypathetical situation. I have no idea. But if i thought someone was doing it for my best interestscthen no it wouldnt bother me | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. " How do you know the reasons for looking were not work related? And why start a thread about another thread, can’t you just voice your opinions on there? | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. How do you know the reasons for looking were not work related? And why start a thread about another thread, can’t you just voice your opinions on there?" | |||
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"I'd be annoyed IF the person wasn't my immediate manager and wasn't asking for personal reasons. I'd also want to know how any other employee managed to gain access to my personal data. My workplace knows about my mental health and my dyspraxia and I'm very open there about those conditions. " Your line manager is not entitled to see your disclosures of medical issues that you reported to HR. They can ask but HR should refuse. | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. How do you know the reasons for looking were not work related? And why start a thread about another thread, can’t you just voice your opinions on there?" I did but I got told off for doing so as it was derailing the conversation which was awareness of a medical issue. Much like I explain in the first paragraph of the post you quoted. Why can't you simply read? Anyway, turns out the situation I am referring to was all a load of bollocks anyway so doesn't really matter does it. I'd still be pissed if people nosed in my file to find out what medical condition I had. That's my story to tell as and when I feel I want to. | |||
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"OK.... So taking this away from the tremor thread as I totally get why some people felt it inappropriate to derail an awareness topic.... if you had a medical condition that you had disclosed on your personnel file but had chosen not to discuss with your colleagues how would you feel if you found out that one of those colleagues who has access to your file decided to read through it and found out what your condition was? Not as part of any performance related issue or occupational health referral, just that they had a hunch something was eying so decided to snoop about. I know I'd be pissed. How do you know the reasons for looking were not work related? And why start a thread about another thread, can’t you just voice your opinions on there? I did but I got told off for doing so as it was derailing the conversation which was awareness of a medical issue. Much like I explain in the first paragraph of the post you quoted. Why can't you simply read? Anyway, turns out the situation I am referring to was all a load of bollocks anyway so doesn't really matter does it. I'd still be pissed if people nosed in my file to find out what medical condition I had. That's my story to tell as and when I feel I want to. " I'd be pissed off too, nobody else's business. Between you and your employer only. | |||
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"Has anybody mentioned the disabilty discrimination act. I think there's something in there concerning privacy." I think you are right, I remember this from when I was working.. | |||
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