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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. " It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? " Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? " Why not as long they do justice to the role. Ben Kinglsey did play Ghandi and won and Oscar for it | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Why not as long they do justice to the role. Ben Kinglsey did play Ghandi and won and Oscar for it "That's my view, but they did make up Kingsley to try to make him look Indian. A better example is the play Hamilton, where black actors play the US founding father's. That's upsetting the usual suspects. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try!" There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. | |||
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" I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. " I'd like to see Jason Statham play Shaft, just to hear him say 'honky' repeatedly | |||
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" Should trans actors be allowed to play cisgender characters?" I'll note that that Scarlett Johansson was bullied out of playing a trans role by certain members of the trans and looney left community. It certain seems that the incusivity and diversity police are only happy with traffic in one direction. | |||
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"I know I'm not down with it.. can someone tell me what a ' cis' person is please. "If you’re asking, then you probably are. Cis is that you’re the gender you were assigned at birth. It has been subverted slightly by some to include orientation as well. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. " At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen!" I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Why not as long they do justice to the role. Ben Kinglsey did play Ghandi and won and Oscar for it
That's my view, but they did make up Kingsley to try to make him look Indian.
A better example is the play Hamilton, where black actors play the US founding father's. That's upsetting the usual suspects. "Funnily enough I don't know if you know but Ben Kingsley father was of Indian origin | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. " Slightly off topic but I was under the impression that "James Bond" was a title as opposed to a man (at least in the cinematic version), the same as M or Q, which was how they explain the differing actors/personalities bond has had? As for the question of trans actors etc the problem is more that trans actors can't get roles as trans or cis characters so when the community railes against for example ScarJo being cast as a trans guy the issue is that there are plenty of trans actors out there who could play the role but aren't even getting the chance. Personally, for now at least, I think trans people should play trans characters. At least until there is parity in acting enough for trans people to play cis roles. At which point, go nuts anyone can play anyone. | |||
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"a lot of people already see trans people in the wrong way, some say that a trans man is still a woman really and I suppose by having cis actors playing trans rolls, it could re-enforce the thought that at the end of the day a trans person "takes off the mask" and goes back to their birth gender. I'm a parent of a trans child and see this from both sides. I'm kind of on the fence, I agree in theory that any actor should play any role but there are far more roles available to cis people. Maybe the few trans roles should be reserved for actual trans people. " That's a really good point, thank you. I agree with you. I can see both sides. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. " What do you think of Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible? | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Slightly off topic but I was under the impression that "James Bond" was a title as opposed to a man (at least in the cinematic version), the same as M or Q, which was how they explain the differing actors/personalities bond has had? As for the question of trans actors etc the problem is more that trans actors can't get roles as trans or cis characters so when the community railes against for example ScarJo being cast as a trans guy the issue is that there are plenty of trans actors out there who could play the role but aren't even getting the chance. Personally, for now at least, I think trans people should play trans characters. At least until there is parity in acting enough for trans people to play cis roles. At which point, go nuts anyone can play anyone." I wish anyone could play anyone. Do you think a movie with ScarJo would be more popular than one with a trans actor? I wonder if the film's popularity would therefore reach more people and have a more positive effect than a film with an unknown trans actor that disappeared into oblivion. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. What do you think of Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible? " I've honestly never watched a mission impossible film. It's just a poor mans James bond because the American ego can't handle a British person being cooler than them. I can't stand Tom cruise generally because he has one facial expression that I can distinguish, sort of like he's smelling a distant fart. | |||
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" Slightly off topic but I was under the impression that "James Bond" was a title as opposed to a man (at least in the cinematic version), the same as M or Q, which was how they explain the differing actors/personalities bond has had? As for the question of trans actors etc the problem is more that trans actors can't get roles as trans or cis characters so when the community railes against for example ScarJo being cast as a trans guy the issue is that there are plenty of trans actors out there who could play the role but aren't even getting the chance. Personally, for now at least, I think trans people should play trans characters. At least until there is parity in acting enough for trans people to play cis roles. At which point, go nuts anyone can play anyone." How confident are you that trans actors aren't getting roles because they are trans, as opposed to they aren't are the right level of expertise and recognition? Who specifically do you think was unjustly passed over to give SJ that role in the first place? | |||
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" I wish anyone could play anyone. Do you think a movie with ScarJo would be more popular than one with a trans actor? I wonder if the film's popularity would therefore reach more people and have a more positive effect than a film with an unknown trans actor that disappeared into oblivion." And that's the problem, it's a bit of a catch 22. Having a known name brings more viewers but could also end up that studios, who already don't like to take risks, will continue to hire big name cos actors for trans roles to put bums in seats. Where hiring a relatively unknown trans actor puts the film at risk of flopping and making studios less likely to want to tell trans stories because of the risk of failure. Honestly, I don't think there is a right answer. Perhaps Netflix/Amazon who are happier to take risks would be the better places for trans stories (initially) to get more exposure for trans narratives and once the public is more comfortable they could go for cinematic releases. It does feel a little like films like rub and tug and the Danish girl are more Oscar bait than the studio legitimately wanting to tell trans stories. Which is another problem for another thread. | |||
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" I wish anyone could play anyone. Do you think a movie with ScarJo would be more popular than one with a trans actor? I wonder if the film's popularity would therefore reach more people and have a more positive effect than a film with an unknown trans actor that disappeared into oblivion. And that's the problem, it's a bit of a catch 22. Having a known name brings more viewers but could also end up that studios, who already don't like to take risks, will continue to hire big name cos actors for trans roles to put bums in seats. Where hiring a relatively unknown trans actor puts the film at risk of flopping and making studios less likely to want to tell trans stories because of the risk of failure. Honestly, I don't think there is a right answer. Perhaps Netflix/Amazon who are happier to take risks would be the better places for trans stories (initially) to get more exposure for trans narratives and once the public is more comfortable they could go for cinematic releases. It does feel a little like films like rub and tug and the Danish girl are more Oscar bait than the studio legitimately wanting to tell trans stories. Which is another problem for another thread." Good point. ScarJo/ Julia Roberts/ George Clooney probably weren't cast as the Lead in their first film. They started in small roles and then made it big. Perhaps trans actors can do the same. Do another thread. I want to know why you think they made the Danish girl. x | |||
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" I wish anyone could play anyone. Do you think a movie with ScarJo would be more popular than one with a trans actor? I wonder if the film's popularity would therefore reach more people and have a more positive effect than a film with an unknown trans actor that disappeared into oblivion. And that's the problem, it's a bit of a catch 22. Having a known name brings more viewers but could also end up that studios, who already don't like to take risks, will continue to hire big name cos actors for trans roles to put bums in seats. Where hiring a relatively unknown trans actor puts the film at risk of flopping and making studios less likely to want to tell trans stories because of the risk of failure. Honestly, I don't think there is a right answer. Perhaps Netflix/Amazon who are happier to take risks would be the better places for trans stories (initially) to get more exposure for trans narratives and once the public is more comfortable they could go for cinematic releases. It does feel a little like films like rub and tug and the Danish girl are more Oscar bait than the studio legitimately wanting to tell trans stories. Which is another problem for another thread. Good point. ScarJo/ Julia Roberts/ George Clooney probably weren't cast as the Lead in their first film. They started in small roles and then made it big. Perhaps trans actors can do the same. Do another thread. I want to know why you think they made the Danish girl. x" I'm sorry that sounded rude. - I meant or please answer on this thread. I wasn't chucking you off this one. I meant I think it's interesting enough question for a full thread. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. " Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? " Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. " Why can't we suspend disbelief to the extent that a black actor playing Bond has Bonds back story when we can suspend disbelief to the extent that the man playing Bond is a secret agent on a dangerous mission, as opposed to an actor on a perfectly safe set? | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Why can't we suspend disbelief to the extent that a black actor playing Bond has Bonds back story when we can suspend disbelief to the extent that the man playing Bond is a secret agent on a dangerous mission, as opposed to an actor on a perfectly safe set? " Let's start with, because we've already been told he's white  | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Why can't we suspend disbelief to the extent that a black actor playing Bond has Bonds back story when we can suspend disbelief to the extent that the man playing Bond is a secret agent on a dangerous mission, as opposed to an actor on a perfectly safe set? Let's start with, because we've already been told he's white "We are also told he is posh and went to a certain school. Does that exclude all non posh actors who didn't go to that school? If it bothers you, why can't you pretend the black actor is white, just as you are pretending the actor is a secret agent. It's bizzare to me that when the whole concept is one of artifice and deceit that you balk at one particular deceit. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Why can't we suspend disbelief to the extent that a black actor playing Bond has Bonds back story when we can suspend disbelief to the extent that the man playing Bond is a secret agent on a dangerous mission, as opposed to an actor on a perfectly safe set? Let's start with, because we've already been told he's white
We are also told he is posh and went to a certain school. Does that exclude all non posh actors who didn't go to that school?
If it bothers you, why can't you pretend the black actor is white, just as you are pretending the actor is a secret agent.
It's bizzare to me that when the whole concept is one of artifice and deceit that you balk at one particular deceit.
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Why can't we suspend disbelief to the extent that a black actor playing Bond has Bonds back story when we can suspend disbelief to the extent that the man playing Bond is a secret agent on a dangerous mission, as opposed to an actor on a perfectly safe set? Let's start with, because we've already been told he's white
We are also told he is posh and went to a certain school. Does that exclude all non posh actors who didn't go to that school?
If it bothers you, why can't you pretend the black actor is white, just as you are pretending the actor is a secret agent.
It's bizzare to me that when the whole concept is one of artifice and deceit that you balk at one particular deceit.
It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. "Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. " Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. " Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? " Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. " Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. " If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. " Apart from the ww2 part of his background story which is already irrelevant, there is no compelling argument to say Bond can't be black. Being told in a 1950s book he was white has as much relevance today as the ww2 background. Every other aspect of the story is translatable to a modern black Bond. Preconceptions say he should be white because of the original story which is outdated in many ways with the modern world and, the fact that, so far white actors have always played the parts. Some times it's good to have preconceptions questioned and broken down. I could happily entertain the idea of a black bond that's been Eton educated and a veteran of the Iraq war as opposed to ww2. It's as believable as any other Bond story! | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. " Oh I see, so you can't pretend something is other than it it's a visual difference. That's up to you, obviously, but I think lots of people can. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. " Out of interest, would you say that black actors should not play any roles in Shakespeare apart from the (I think) three black characters in the Canon. | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Apart from the ww2 part of his background story which is already irrelevant, there is no compelling argument to say Bond can't be black. Being told in a 1950s book he was white has as much relevance today as the ww2 background. Every other aspect of the story is translatable to a modern black Bond. Preconceptions say he should be white because of the original story which is outdated in many ways with the modern world and, the fact that, so far white actors have always played the parts. Some times it's good to have preconceptions questioned and broken down. I could happily entertain the idea of a black bond that's been Eton educated and a veteran of the Iraq war as opposed to ww2. It's as believable as any other Bond story! " You could, I couldn't, since we know Eton didn't have black pupils then and if you know anything about private schools, you'd know that wasn't an accident. It really doesn't bother me if you want to watch a black bond, but I'll pass. I'll also pass on an Asian bond, a female bond and any other bullshit done for political reasons rather than artistic. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. Out of interest, would you say that black actors should not play any roles in Shakespeare apart from the (I think) three black characters in the Canon. " Depends how central they are to the story. There are plenty of peripheral characters in bond that you could change the sex or ethnicity of and it wouldn't destroy the continuity of bond. I wouldn't object to that. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. Out of interest, would you say that black actors should not play any roles in Shakespeare apart from the (I think) three black characters in the Canon. Depends how central they are to the story. There are plenty of peripheral characters in bond that you could change the sex or ethnicity of and it wouldn't destroy the continuity of bond. I wouldn't object to that. " So we can't have a black Hamlet, a black Macbeth, a black Lear and so on? I think most people would disagree with that. The important thing about those characters is not what they look like but what they say. And an actors skill in playing the parts is in delivering the words. It seems to me a very narrow view that you can't understand a character just because the actor playing it has a different ethnicity to the one the author had in mind when they created the character. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. " In the all important background story Bonds father was Scottish. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. Out of interest, would you say that black actors should not play any roles in Shakespeare apart from the (I think) three black characters in the Canon. Depends how central they are to the story. There are plenty of peripheral characters in bond that you could change the sex or ethnicity of and it wouldn't destroy the continuity of bond. I wouldn't object to that. So we can't have a black Hamlet, a black Macbeth, a black Lear and so on? I think most people would disagree with that. The important thing about those characters is not what they look like but what they say. And an actors skill in playing the parts is in delivering the words. It seems to me a very narrow view that you can't understand a character just because the actor playing it has a different ethnicity to the one the author had in mind when they created the character. " Your logic on this thread is terrible. It's like you don't want to understand nuances between plays or single books or series. Maybe you don't understand the different artistic demands of different formats, but I've tried explaining it. Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. " If that is so important then Bond should definitely be in his 90s although, he might struggle with the more physical aspects of the job. There is a school of thought that suggests he probably wouldn't have made it into his 60s, let alone his 90s, based on his alcohol consumption and the 60 cigarettes a day! | |||
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" It's bizzare to me that you can't see continuity problems between the probable upbringing of a black or white person born in 1920. I don't see the point of emotionally investing in characters with no depth. Bond is English, I believe. A Scottish actor has played him. Is that an issue? Why do you see blackness as something that means an actor cannot play a white character like Bond, when other personal characteristics of an actor inconsistent with the character like not being English, not being posh are, presumably, not a bar. Let's see now. James Bond went to Eton and would have finished there in 1938. The first black pupil arrived at Eton in 1964. You have to be obtuse not to understand the problem with that so drop your nonsense please. Let's see, James Bond was born in England, so it would it be impossible for him to be born in Scotland, yet a a Scottish actor can play him... Could you explain why it's more difficult for you to pretend a black actor is a white character than it is to pretend a Scottish actor is an English man? Apparently not but it is hard when people commit every logical fallacy in the book because their ideology demands it. Explain to me. You're right. I don't understand. Try and explain without the ad hominens You seem to be saying one personal characteristic (ethnicity) stops an actor playing a character who differs from him in that characteristic, yet other personal characteristics. (nationality, social origin) are not a bar to playing an character who differs from him in those characteristic. What I don't understand is why we can pretend a Scottish actor is English or a working class actor is posh, but we cannot pretend a black actor is white. Please enlighten me. If you sat next to me on a train, would you know I was both: A) bisexual B) white If yes to both, then I'm an idiot and you're right. Out of interest, would you say that black actors should not play any roles in Shakespeare apart from the (I think) three black characters in the Canon. Depends how central they are to the story. There are plenty of peripheral characters in bond that you could change the sex or ethnicity of and it wouldn't destroy the continuity of bond. I wouldn't object to that. So we can't have a black Hamlet, a black Macbeth, a black Lear and so on? I think most people would disagree with that. The important thing about those characters is not what they look like but what they say. And an actors skill in playing the parts is in delivering the words. It seems to me a very narrow view that you can't understand a character just because the actor playing it has a different ethnicity to the one the author had in mind when they created the character. Your logic on this thread is terrible. It's like you don't want to understand nuances between plays or single books or series. Maybe you don't understand the different artistic demands of different formats, but I've tried explaining it. Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. " Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. " What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency " Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. " So who do left wing people like to watch? | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. So who do left wing people like to watch? " We don't. TV is a bourgeois construct. We spend our time debating commodity fetishism. | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. So who do left wing people like to watch? We don't. TV is a bourgeois construct. We spend our time debating commodity fetishism. " But if forced to watch a film then you all gather round Ghostbusters 2016 to pay homage to how progress it is  | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. So who do left wing people like to watch? We don't. TV is a bourgeois construct. We spend our time debating commodity fetishism. But if forced to watch a film then you all gather round Ghostbusters 2016 to pay homage to how progress it is "Ghost busters is no. 2 on my list of films I would prefer to pull my own head off rather than watch | |||
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"In acting, anyone can be anyone, that's the whole point about acting. " What she said.^^ Just seen 'Hamilton'. A musical about the American Revelutionary War and the birth of the U.S, played by black, mixed, hispanic and far eastern heritage actors. And better for it. | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. So who do left wing people like to watch? We don't. TV is a bourgeois construct. We spend our time debating commodity fetishism. " And the latest potato production figures. Solidarity comrade  ? | |||
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"Yep. LGB play both LGB and straight characters and straight actors do the same. I can think of numerous examples from current soaps. It's not quite the same. You can't tell by looking at someone what their sexuality is. You can often clearly tell when someone is trans. It's all depends how important you think representational realism in drama is. Should a white woman play Othello for example? Or a black woman play Sherlock Holmes? It could work...we won't know until they try! There was outcry when Lucy Liu was selected as a female Dr Watson in Elementary. I think she’s fantastic in the role and would have no issue with subsequent remakes of Holmes having a black female lead. I watched a recent Netflix show called Secret City where one of the leading cast was trans. I was really shocked and surprised that the actor is not trans. I enjoy Charlie Chan films of the 1930’s and 40s. I do cringe knowing that every actor who played him, was white, yet “minor” roles such as his children were all American Asians. But it’s still very common. You have John Lythgo playing a trans in Transparent. I would love to see Edris Elba become James Bond. Irrespective of his skin colour, he has the right charisma and presence to be one of the best Bonds ever. At the end of the day, if the character is a fictional one it doesn't matter who plays the part surely. I think Idris would be be an excellent bond. A black or trans Elizabeth 1st or Churchill might not work so well. There is probably a lot of barriers for trans people in the film industry, as there is in most other employment sectors. If someone is suitable for a job, that should be all that matters. A few good prominent roles for trans actors will soon change the way the industry views things. It will happen! I wouldn't watch a bond film with a black bond. When watching fiction, continuity and the suspension of belief are critical to the enjoyment. Fiction is harder to write than things based on real events in that way. I also wouldn't watch Blade 4 with a white guy playing blade. I fail to believe there aren't enough qualified white actors to play bond and qualified black actors to play blade. The idea that bonds back story would be identical if he was black is highly unlikely and fiction characters without coherent back stories, aren't worth watching. Surely, if the bond background story is so important to the believability of the character...all Bond films should be set in the fifties or we should be contemplating a 90 year old for the part! Would it be acceptable to have a younger actor made up to play 90 year old bond or would it be better to use a 90 year old actor? Bond falling down the 02 arena doesn't change who he is. Audiences aren't as bothered with inconsistency in the scenery as they are with inconsistency with the characters, for obvious reasons. You're not being asked to emotionally invest in the 1950s with James bond. Apart from the ww2 part of his background story which is already irrelevant, there is no compelling argument to say Bond can't be black. Being told in a 1950s book he was white has as much relevance today as the ww2 background. Every other aspect of the story is translatable to a modern black Bond. Preconceptions say he should be white because of the original story which is outdated in many ways with the modern world and, the fact that, so far white actors have always played the parts. Some times it's good to have preconceptions questioned and broken down. I could happily entertain the idea of a black bond that's been Eton educated and a veteran of the Iraq war as opposed to ww2. It's as believable as any other Bond story! You could, I couldn't, since we know Eton didn't have black pupils then and if you know anything about private schools, you'd know that wasn't an accident. It really doesn't bother me if you want to watch a black bond, but I'll pass. I'll also pass on an Asian bond, a female bond and any other bullshit done for political reasons rather than artistic. " How are you with a female Doctor Who? | |||
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"In acting, anyone can be anyone, that's the whole point about acting. " In theory yes, you just run into issues when a story is part done and then there are radical changes. For example, the ratings for two and a half men bombed after Charlie Sheen left the show. | |||
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" Hollywood as a whole has a massive problem with repetitive stories, lack of creativity, declining revenues, increasing costs and declining profits. There has literally never been a better time to create new stories with new characters and by all means make those characters black disabled non-binary lesbians with penises. Isn't it all about audiences. The type of people who tend to emotionally invest in characters like Bond are, on the whole, conservative types who believe in representational realism. Hence they tend to not like it when the canons of representational realism are violated. I wouldn't watch a Bond film if you paid me and I also don't believe in representstional realism, hence my different perspective. The interesting question as to why an industry intent on making money should choose to outrage the Bond fans market. One can only assume that they see the money in twisting characters to fit in with modern mores. It's all about different perspectives, I couldn't give a flying fuck as to whether am actor's ethnicity matches that of his character, but it's obviously very important to sone people. What's the link between bond and conservatism? I'm not a huge bond fan by the way, never read the books. Some films are good, some are rubbish. The n64 game was epic! I'm more a game of thrones/ skyrim nerd and I fucking hate how HBO ruined the last 2 series of GoT with continuity errors /character inconsistency Because he's an archetypal alpha male fantasy figure, not to mention that his creator was very right wing. So who do left wing people like to watch? We don't. TV is a bourgeois construct. We spend our time debating commodity fetishism. And the latest potato production figures. Solidarity comrade ?"Nah, only rightist deviationists discuss that.. | |||
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