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"Each to their own ... if they wish to cover , they can cover Jesus - ban see through leggings , far more offensive " Actually I approve of see through clothing | |||
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"Each to their own ... if they wish to cover , they can cover Jesus - ban see through leggings , far more offensive Actually I approve of see through clothing "Leggings ? Really - you disgust me  | |||
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"Each to their own ... if they wish to cover , they can cover Jesus - ban see through leggings , far more offensive Actually I approve of see through clothing
Leggings ? Really - you disgust me "All see through clothing | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. " That he maybe, but the end of the day the burka has no place in british modern society. Just my opinion  | |||
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" Jesus - ban see through leggings , far more offensive " Just to let you know that I've mentioned this to Jesus and he strongly disagrees.  | |||
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"I clicked on this expecting a story/fantasy post exploring Johnson and his burqa kink... Must say I'm a bit disappointed!!! " | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. " seconded | |||
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"I clicked on this expecting a story/fantasy post exploring Johnson and his burqa kink... Must say I'm a bit disappointed!!! "My name is Boris and one day I met a sexy Muslim lady who was wearing a red burka. She was the silent smouldering type and I quickly got my manhood in her mouth. She must have been inexperienced as her teeth were chaffing my rod a lot. I was getting close when we were interrupted by a man in a cap and red bag telling me to stop shagging a postbox.... | |||
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"I clicked on this expecting a story/fantasy post exploring Johnson and his burqa kink... Must say I'm a bit disappointed!!!
My name is Boris and one day I met a sexy Muslim lady who was wearing a red burka. She was the silent smouldering type and I quickly got my manhood in her mouth. She must have been inexperienced as her teeth were chaffing my rod a lot. I was getting close when we were interrupted by a man in a cap and red bag telling me to stop shagging a postbox.... ". Don't panic, it was probably a bloke, very similar to hear really | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" How does a bhurka work when fuelling their car? Motorcyclists have to remove their helmets when paying? | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that...I " I really don't care what he says. It wasn't horrifically offensive. It was almost funny. Almost. A little bit Monty python. I thought the cornerstone of our country was a sense of humour and not hysterical political correctness. So, as much as I think he's a Buffoon, I'm with him on this one. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" sorry people smiling in London that is very sinister | |||
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"A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. " Hmmm, I think he is more of a magician, creating distraction while picking your pocket... | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear" I'm guessing in your naked photos your squire was polishing your shiny armour, as clearly your trying to be a knight in shining armour. It's not about men telling women what to wear. It's about the fact that, as others have stated in the thread, if I was to wear a balaclava that only showed my eyes people would be a little worried. The burkha isn't a relegious requirement. The only requirement is to cover the hair, which can be done with a hijab or headscarf. I can't wear a bike helmet when I go into a petrol station, why can they wear a burkha and go in? It's a little unfair isn't it? | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear I'm guessing in your naked photos your squire was polishing your shiny armour, as clearly your trying to be a knight in shining armour. It's not about men telling women what to wear. It's about the fact that, as others have stated in the thread, if I was to wear a balaclava that only showed my eyes people would be a little worried. The burkha isn't a relegious requirement. The only requirement is to cover the hair, which can be done with a hijab or headscarf. I can't wear a bike helmet when I go into a petrol station, why can they wear a burkha and go in? It's a little unfair isn't it? " Couldnt have put it better myself, same with banks. | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear I'm guessing in your naked photos your squire was polishing your shiny armour, as clearly your trying to be a knight in shining armour. It's not about men telling women what to wear. It's about the fact that, as others have stated in the thread, if I was to wear a balaclava that only showed my eyes people would be a little worried. The burkha isn't a relegious requirement. The only requirement is to cover the hair, which can be done with a hijab or headscarf. I can't wear a bike helmet when I go into a petrol station, why can they wear a burkha and go in? It's a little unfair isn't it? Couldnt have put it better myself, same with banks." Ditto to this | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear I'm guessing in your naked photos your squire was polishing your shiny armour, as clearly your trying to be a knight in shining armour. It's not about men telling women what to wear. It's about the fact that, as others have stated in the thread, if I was to wear a balaclava that only showed my eyes people would be a little worried. The burkha isn't a relegious requirement. The only requirement is to cover the hair, which can be done with a hijab or headscarf. I can't wear a bike helmet when I go into a petrol station, why can they wear a burkha and go in? It's a little unfair isn't it? Couldnt have put it better myself, same with banks. Ditto to this " Really? That's what you've got? "It's not fair"? Oh my God. You poor poor things, that's so sad! Shall we take you home and get you an ice cream and tell you that your more special than all the other little boys and girls? Fuck sake | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. " I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts...  | |||
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"You can dislike the burka and still think Boris was being stupid. I'd be completely happy if women stopped wearing it, but how is mocking the way they look going to help? How many women out there are now thinking 'yeah, Boris is right, I do look like a letter box, time to bin this'? I think we can reasonably guess the answer to that is zero. He doesn't really care about the burka It's just an issue he can use to keep himself in the news ready for the inevitable Tory leadership contest and to appeal to a certain type of Tory voter. Plus he's probably noticed that attacking immigrants did Trump no harm... " Yep! | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" They have been here for years, it's not a new thing. I don't wear one and I don't walk round smiling, you wouldn't be missing much. Let them carry on. Providing it's not in athletics competition - you know just in case they are trying to trick us. | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... "I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" I wonder how 'nilla' people feel about kinky ones wearing hoods in sex... Is it threatening, unsexy! Big Bad Boris has a knack at stirring up trouble! The guy talks shit. Doesn't anyone know that!! Lol | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. " He portrays himself as a thoughtless buffoon, thats why he so dangerous...the best trick the devil ever played.... | |||
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"He has pulled the wool over (no pun intended) people’s eyes for years as the bumbling harmless bafoon. Hopefully now, more are seeing through his game. His bafoonery is an act, even his hair is specifically cut like that by his personal barber. " My other half and I have been saying this for years. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts? They have been here for years, it's not a new thing. I don't wear one and I don't walk round smiling, you wouldn't be missing much. Let them carry on. Providing it's not in athletics competition - you know just in case they are trying to trick us." Hahahaha oh that's funny xxxx | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules "'We' have clothing rules here? | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
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" That he maybe, but the end of the day the burka has no place in british modern society. Just my opinion "I would have thought restricting the freedom of people to wear what they want was an indication of a backward, intolerant society. Modern society (to me) is accepting difference, I think burka wearers look ridiculous but so do overweight middle aged men heaving in replica football shirts made of synthetic fabric...but I wouldn't ban either  | |||
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" Really? That's what you've got? "It's not fair"? Oh my God. You poor poor things, that's so sad! Shall we take you home and get you an ice cream and tell you that your more special than all the other little boys and girls? Fuck sake" I'd love an ice cream, but don't worry about telling me I'm more more special, my mummy does that. But aside from your lack of an actual argument and just an insult (great attempt at a debate by the way) It's not just that it's not fair. It's a security issue. The fact that you can wear the burka and walk straight into a bank, or anywhere else for that matter, is a security risk. And as I stated (with actual facts; making a legitimate point and not a personal insult) it's not a relegious requirement. The Sikhs have 5 sacred things there meant to wear, one of which is a religious knife. Most Sikhs have made the compromise to wear a small knife necklace, as knives aren't legal allowed to be carried in most countries. But I'm guessing all this is gonna fly over your head and I'll just get another insult aimed my way. | |||
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"I clicked on this expecting a story/fantasy post exploring Johnson and his burqa kink... Must say I'm a bit disappointed!!!
My name is Boris and one day I met a sexy Muslim lady who was wearing a red burka. She was the silent smouldering type and I quickly got my manhood in her mouth. She must have been inexperienced as her teeth were chaffing my rod a lot. I was getting close when we were interrupted by a man in a cap and red bag telling me to stop shagging a postbox.... "LMFAO! This deserves an award! | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules "Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine. I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to? You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right? Do we have a dress code in this country?!!  Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code. | |||
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" That he maybe, but the end of the day the burka has no place in british modern society. Just my opinion
I would have thought restricting the freedom of people to wear what they want was an indication of a backward, intolerant society.
Modern society (to me) is accepting difference, I think burka wearers look ridiculous but so do overweight middle aged men heaving in replica football shirts made of synthetic fabric...but I wouldn't ban either "Couldn't agree more! | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code."the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. That he maybe, but the end of the day the burka has no place in british modern society. Just my opinion "Why not? | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise "You're talking at cross purposes by assuming every burka wearer "has come here". The White Widow was hardly a shrinking violet! I don't like the burka, but I believe people should be free to wear what they like and all this wear what we do or leave makes you sound simplistic and racist. | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise "What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate? | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
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Why not?"Well its fairly obvious think about where you are...... A sex site....... Think about what a Burkha represents........ To desexualise the person wearing it to take away their shape the portrayal of everything feminine about the woman underneath....... The purpose being that the woman the Muslim woman is not looked upon as an object to be desired, now you as a man on a sex site agree with that do you? We don't actually know if most of the women that wear them love wearing them do we but I hazard a guess they don't. | |||
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Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
Because they don't. Visit Bradford, Dewsbury, Rochdale, Oldham, Keighley and see for yourself."...not seeing the relevance of this...sure they have areas comprising mostly muslims, but go to Spain & find the non integrated british enclaves... | |||
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Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
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Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
Because they don't. Visit Bradford, Dewsbury, Rochdale, Oldham, Keighley and see for yourself."Grew up in Birmingham, lived in London. I have seen zero evidence of this non-integration. Have you lived in those towns? | |||
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" Really? That's what you've got? "It's not fair"? Oh my God. You poor poor things, that's so sad! Shall we take you home and get you an ice cream and tell you that your more special than all the other little boys and girls? Fuck sake I'd love an ice cream, but don't worry about telling me I'm more more special, my mummy does that. But aside from your lack of an actual argument and just an insult (great attempt at a debate by the way) It's not just that it's not fair. It's a security issue. The fact that you can wear the burka and walk straight into a bank, or anywhere else for that matter, is a security risk. And as I stated (with actual facts; making a legitimate point and not a personal insult) it's not a relegious requirement. The Sikhs have 5 sacred things there meant to wear, one of which is a religious knife. Most Sikhs have made the compromise to wear a small knife necklace, as knives aren't legal allowed to be carried in most countries. But I'm guessing all this is gonna fly over your head and I'll just get another insult aimed my way." loving the security risk argument...much the same as folk who tell me I can't take my bicycle in a building/shop..'it's a fire risk' so we stand for a while in silence whilst I look at my bike..waiting... eventually they ask what I am doing...'Waiting for it to burst into flames'...the bike, the burka etc isn't the risk, it is the person & that my friend is so what ever your choice of clothing or method of transport... | |||
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Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
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"He has pulled the wool over (no pun intended) people’s eyes for years as the bumbling harmless bafoon. Hopefully now, more are seeing through his game. His bafoonery is an act, even his hair is specifically cut like that by his personal barber. This is so true ... " | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" Depends how ugly they are | |||
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"It’s rare I have an opinion on politicians or give a fuck about the bare faced lies and complete shite they say. Having said that... Borris Johnson is a total embarrassment, the mans a utter and total twat. A bumbling thoughtless Baffoon. I think Boris plays a blinder if you think he's a buffoon. I think he likes being underestimated but I think he's aiming for the top job and he'll use any means to get there. Personally, I think people should be free to wear what they like. If you ban one item where will it end: no lycra on men over 40? No cold shoulder/bardot tops on anyone over a size 16? No nightwear in the supermarket? No mutton dressed as lamb? No baseball cap or trainers on anyone over 30 unless card carrying affiliated sports coaches? Hmmm...on second thoughts... I think theirs a slight difference when talking about a Burkha firstly it dehumanises the person wearing it, you can't actually see whether it's a man or a woman which in certain instances represents a security risk, it's so unattractive in its look and when you consider the ridiculous restrictions being put on our kids school attire these people on the basis of a religion that applies in their country not ours, they're living here not in their own country but they are being allowed to flaunt our rules
Dehumanising?!! I daresay some are forced to wear it, most choose to I'd imagine.
I don't understand your comment about restrictions: are you talking about the audacity of schools requiring pupils to take pride in their appearance and wear the correct school uniform parents agreed to?
You do realise most wearing the burka are British born so this is their country right?
Do we have a dress code in this country?!! Every day's a learning day...I'm 57, London born and bred, my parents were born British and never told me there was a dress code.the dress code in the schools that I mentioned certainly in my area and in some dorset schools they've banned the wearing of skirts for girls, if they are born here makes no difference they should integrate and conform to our way of life not continue their outdated religious male dominated
Communes and expect to twist our rules, I'm not religious in any shape or form so obviously I don't understand or sympathise with it, you can't go to their countries and do as you please can you, integrate or leave that's my view. Hope Boris sticks to his guns and doesn't apologise
What makes you keep claiming that Muslims don't integrate?
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so marriage is integration...well I hope I don't have to marry any of my non white friends & work colleagues...going to be a busy summer...". Haha, but no seriously, it's a well used tool for statistical guides of integration along with others of course, as a footnote for this some London boroughs now have genetic child illnesses as the number 1 infant mortality cause, caused by marrying your cousin (legal but frowned upon by society in the West) | |||
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"For those getting irate about BoJo's comments maybe read the article and you will see he actually said controlling what women wear by law (and quoted the Danish attempt) is wrong. He therefore defended women's right to wear what they want uncontrolled by men or religion or whatever. But why let facts get in the way of a bit of Boris Bashing .... Oh and as I said on the other Thread about this it was also not in any way a racist remark. It couldn't be. Possibly sexist as it was about women in Burkhas but then I guess a man can wear a Burkha and no one would know ...." He was using offensive terms (letter box, bank robber) to refer a specific cultural practice in order to appeal to the sort of people who join the Conservative Party. He knew exactly what he was doing. | |||
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"For those getting irate about BoJo's comments maybe read the article and you will see he actually said controlling what women wear by law (and quoted the Danish attempt) is wrong. He therefore defended women's right to wear what they want uncontrolled by men or religion or whatever. But why let facts get in the way of a bit of Boris Bashing .... Oh and as I said on the other Thread about this it was also not in any way a racist remark. It couldn't be. Possibly sexist as it was about women in Burkhas but then I guess a man can wear a Burkha and no one would know .... He was using offensive terms (letter box, bank robber) to refer a specific cultural practice in order to appeal to the sort of people who join the Conservative Party. He knew exactly what he was doing. " I met a racist labour supporter once! Imagine my surprise! | |||
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"For those getting irate about BoJo's comments maybe read the article and you will see he actually said controlling what women wear by law (and quoted the Danish attempt) is wrong. He therefore defended women's right to wear what they want uncontrolled by men or religion or whatever. But why let facts get in the way of a bit of Boris Bashing .... Oh and as I said on the other Thread about this it was also not in any way a racist remark. It couldn't be. Possibly sexist as it was about women in Burkhas but then I guess a man can wear a Burkha and no one would know .... He was using offensive terms (letter box, bank robber) to refer a specific cultural practice in order to appeal to the sort of people who join the Conservative Party. He knew exactly what he was doing. I met a racist labour supporter once! Imagine my surprise! " Not really relevant. He's trying to be leader of the Tory Party. Tory Party members are likely to be exercised about this sort of thing. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" Should be banned, only the full face burka. Due to security risk. You don’t know who’s under it. It symbolises oppression of women. Look up it’s history. Just the other day I had this argument with a cashier at a petrol station. She refused to serve me as I had my crash helmet still on but it’s a flip one so face was on show. She then told me to take it off so she could see me. The customer before me was wearing a full face burka but that was completely fine. If anything she could see more of me, than the women in front of me! Safe to say I refused and rode off, got too many cables to take the helmet of for two minutes. I offered payment but she refused, it’s what I told the police when they pulled me over afew miles down the road. They agreed with me that I offered payment but was refused and let me go. | |||
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"For those getting irate about BoJo's comments maybe read the article and you will see he actually said controlling what women wear by law (and quoted the Danish attempt) is wrong. He therefore defended women's right to wear what they want uncontrolled by men or religion or whatever. But why let facts get in the way of a bit of Boris Bashing .... Oh and as I said on the other Thread about this it was also not in any way a racist remark. It couldn't be. Possibly sexist as it was about women in Burkhas but then I guess a man can wear a Burkha and no one would know .... He was using offensive terms (letter box, bank robber) to refer a specific cultural practice in order to appeal to the sort of people who join the Conservative Party. He knew exactly what he was doing. " Nice deflection from my main point of saying women of any creed should be able to dress as they please. But yes he did know exactly what he was doing but not as you misrepresent. Bojo uses outrageous language to make his point and get people talking about the issue. Often it works well frequently it doesn't but in this case he has succeeded with every front page carrying the story! There was a time long ago before Political Correctness when humour could be used to make a point and it was accepted as - humour and nothing more. As to your add on insult and inference of Islamophobia, racism or whateverism about Conservative Party members (which I assume addresses your Confirmation Bias) you have absolutely no grounds to make such a statement. Where is your factual proof all of us who vote Conservative and support those policies are in any way racist / Islamophobic? Its like me saying the Corbyn version of antisemitism must "appeal to the sort of people who join the Labour Party". Although there is clear proof of antisemitism in the Labour Party the inference is outrageous. As yours was. But then you knew exactly what you were doing ...  | |||
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"For those getting irate about BoJo's comments maybe read the article and you will see he actually said controlling what women wear by law (and quoted the Danish attempt) is wrong. He therefore defended women's right to wear what they want uncontrolled by men or religion or whatever. But why let facts get in the way of a bit of Boris Bashing .... Oh and as I said on the other Thread about this it was also not in any way a racist remark. It couldn't be. Possibly sexist as it was about women in Burkhas but then I guess a man can wear a Burkha and no one would know .... He was using offensive terms (letter box, bank robber) to refer a specific cultural practice in order to appeal to the sort of people who join the Conservative Party. He knew exactly what he was doing. Nice deflection from my main point of saying women of any creed should be able to dress as they please. But yes he did know exactly what he was doing but not as you misrepresent. Bojo uses outrageous language to make his point and get people talking about the issue. Often it works well frequently it doesn't but in this case he has succeeded with every front page carrying the story! There was a time long ago before Political Correctness when humour could be used to make a point and it was accepted as - humour and nothing more. As to your add on insult and inference of Islamophobia, racism or whateverism about Conservative Party members (which I assume addresses your Confirmation Bias) you have absolutely no grounds to make such a statement. Where is your factual proof all of us who vote Conservative and support those policies are in any way racist / Islamophobic? Its like me saying the Corbyn version of antisemitism must "appeal to the sort of people who join the Labour Party". Although there is clear proof of antisemitism in the Labour Party the inference is outrageous. As yours was. But then you knew exactly what you were doing ... "I Base my view to the fact that Johnson is not stupid and that he quite obviously wants to be prime minister. He knew full well the reaction his article would get not only from left wing types, but also from the Tory Party establishment. And he has indeed been roundly condemned by the latter. He also knows, that the mood amongst Tory Party members is currently one of discontent with the leadership and he also knows that the sort of people who are committed enough to join the Tory Party will have strong views on threats to British cultural identity and similar issues. As it is Tory Party members will ultimately decide the leadership, he is appealing to them. You will also note that when he was successfully campaigning to be mayor of multicultural London, he refrained from making statements like that. I don't think Johnson is racist or islamaphobic. I don't think he has any strong convictions at all except the forwarding of his own ambition. | |||
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"Yes. You must be blind. There has never been any integration. Trevor Phillips agrees with me. Look at the articles that he has written. He is an expert on this, whereas I merely experienced it first hand." Odd. When I lived in Birmingham a city with a significant Muslim population I went to school with Muslims. I worked with Muslims. I ate in the same restaurants as Muslims. I socialised with Muslims. I went to the same gym as Muslims. And on occasions I went to the pub with Muslims. And the times I was lucky enough to go to Muslim weddings I was warmly welcomed. So when you say "there has never been any integration" - how do you mean never? | |||
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"Time for this dangerous man to be gone from public view. The threshold for acceptability of him as a senior politician needs to be understood as out of his reach. The public are being played for him to get the Prime Minister job - once everyone finds such manipulation sickening and him being totally unacceptable, he can be banished to oblivion. Not very intelligent, not good for the people or country " We can do without a walking talking Trump Junior! SURELY that's a scarier thought than the Muslim head-dress | |||
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Why wouldn't they?"who knows what laws religious or not they have, maybe it's against the Muslim belief to be gay maybe they have to wear Burkhas if they are gay | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear" That's pretty close to what Boris actually said. | |||
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"Yes. You must be blind. There has never been any integration. Trevor Phillips agrees with me. Look at the articles that he has written. He is an expert on this, whereas I merely experienced it first hand. Odd. When I lived in Birmingham a city with a significant Muslim population I went to school with Muslims. I worked with Muslims. I ate in the same restaurants as Muslims. I socialised with Muslims. I went to the same gym as Muslims. And on occasions I went to the pub with Muslims. And the times I was lucky enough to go to Muslim weddings I was warmly welcomed. So when you say "there has never been any integration" - how do you mean never? " Look around you in the places that I mentioned. Look at the problems. Where have all the home grown terrorists come from? Chipping Norton? Where have the grooming gangs come from? Henley-on-Thames? Where are they radicalised? On package holidays to Marbella? Where are their wives chosen from? Where do they all shop? What do their wear? What schools have they set up and with what ideals? What language do they speak? | |||
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"In a way, different communities don't really integrate, I'm not wanting to sound racist, please don't get me wrong. The Chinese community keep to themselves to a great extent, to do the Muslim and Black and white communities. . . I want integration, I have nothing against anyone but how do we successfully do this? Is there an answer to that? Also, go into a bank or service station and wear a total head covering. . . See how far you get without being asked to remove it. . . . Security must come first. . . YES? NO? MAYBE?" Probably because the majority of robberies from banks, post offices and petrol stations are made by men and a lot have worn crash helmets or covered their faces with scarves and bandanas and likely wore hoodies too. You don't hear of many wearing a burqa | |||
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"In a way, different communities don't really integrate, I'm not wanting to sound racist, please don't get me wrong. The Chinese community keep to themselves to a great extent, to do the Muslim and Black and white communities. . . I want integration, I have nothing against anyone but how do we successfully do this? Is there an answer to that? Also, go into a bank or service station and wear a total head covering. . . See how far you get without being asked to remove it. . . . Security must come first. . . YES? NO? MAYBE? Probably because the majority of robberies from banks, post offices and petrol stations are made by men and a lot have worn crash helmets or covered their faces with scarves and bandanas and likely wore hoodies too. You don't hear of many wearing a burqa " It's the new craze in letter box robberies though | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them " Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. " Well we are certainly not a backward Muslim people either. | |||
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"In a way, different communities don't really integrate, I'm not wanting to sound racist, please don't get me wrong. The Chinese community keep to themselves to a great extent, to do the Muslim and Black and white communities. . . I want integration, I have nothing against anyone but how do we successfully do this? Is there an answer to that? Also, go into a bank or service station and wear a total head covering. . . See how far you get without being asked to remove it. . . . Security must come first. . . YES? NO? MAYBE?" You live in Scotland, predominately white, so I can understand why you think we don't mix. I have three son-in-laws: one black, one white one Asian. My nephew is mixed race, my brother-in-law is white, my other sister's partner is white, as is my partner. Twice a year I leave my other half at home and go on holiday with three friends: two are white. Once a month we all get together for a meal and catch up. My point is I'm not unique. I don't know anyone who's family and friends are all the same race/ethnicity. | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. Well we are certainly not a backward Muslim people either." Haaaa haaaa haaa haaa...okie dokie!!! | |||
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Why do you think they should be banned? What negative effect do they have on you? Or anyone else for that matter? | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. I was referring to general consensus on the religion side of things " That's my point. There is no consensus. About half the population have no religion and those who are religious adhere to a variety of religions of which Christianity is the largest. | |||
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"Yes. You must be blind. There has never been any integration. Trevor Phillips agrees with me. Look at the articles that he has written. He is an expert on this, whereas I merely experienced it first hand. Odd. When I lived in Birmingham a city with a significant Muslim population I went to school with Muslims. I worked with Muslims. I ate in the same restaurants as Muslims. I socialised with Muslims. I went to the same gym as Muslims. And on occasions I went to the pub with Muslims. And the times I was lucky enough to go to Muslim weddings I was warmly welcomed. So when you say "there has never been any integration" - how do you mean never? Look around you in the places that I mentioned. Look at the problems. Where have all the home grown terrorists come from? Chipping Norton? Where have the grooming gangs come from? Henley-on-Thames? Where are they radicalised? On package holidays to Marbella? Where are their wives chosen from? Where do they all shop? What do their wear? What schools have they set up and with what ideals? What language do they speak? " There are do many questions there and I can't really see the relevance of any of them. You don't like Muslims do you? | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. I was referring to general consensus on the religion side of things That's my point. There is no consensus. About half the population have no religion and those who are religious adhere to a variety of religions of which Christianity is the largest. " Ad something like 5% identify as Muslim. But some on here will insist that means that they are taking over | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them Fewer than half of British people say they are Christians. I was referring to general consensus on the religion side of things That's my point. There is no consensus. About half the population have no religion and those who are religious adhere to a variety of religions of which Christianity is the largest. Ad something like 5% identify as Muslim. But some on here will insist that means that they are taking over " The latest British social attitudes survey put non religious at 53%, Christians at 41% and other religions (including Islam at 6%) | |||
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"Yes. You must be blind. There has never been any integration. Trevor Phillips agrees with me. Look at the articles that he has written. He is an expert on this, whereas I merely experienced it first hand. Odd. When I lived in Birmingham a city with a significant Muslim population I went to school with Muslims. I worked with Muslims. I ate in the same restaurants as Muslims. I socialised with Muslims. I went to the same gym as Muslims. And on occasions I went to the pub with Muslims. And the times I was lucky enough to go to Muslim weddings I was warmly welcomed. So when you say "there has never been any integration" - how do you mean never? Look around you in the places that I mentioned. Look at the problems. Where have all the home grown terrorists come from? Chipping Norton? Where have the grooming gangs come from? Henley-on-Thames? Where are they radicalised? On package holidays to Marbella? Where are their wives chosen from? Where do they all shop? What do their wear? What schools have they set up and with what ideals? What language do they speak? There are do many questions there and I can't really see the relevance of any of them. You don't like Muslims do you?" I don't dislike the intelligent, westernised, civilised ones at all. The rest I don't. Neither does the Home Secretary, his brother, or any other right thinking person. | |||
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"Yes. You must be blind. There has never been any integration. Trevor Phillips agrees with me. Look at the articles that he has written. He is an expert on this, whereas I merely experienced it first hand. Odd. When I lived in Birmingham a city with a significant Muslim population I went to school with Muslims. I worked with Muslims. I ate in the same restaurants as Muslims. I socialised with Muslims. I went to the same gym as Muslims. And on occasions I went to the pub with Muslims. And the times I was lucky enough to go to Muslim weddings I was warmly welcomed. So when you say "there has never been any integration" - how do you mean never? Look around you in the places that I mentioned. Look at the problems. Where have all the home grown terrorists come from? Chipping Norton? Where have the grooming gangs come from? Henley-on-Thames? Where are they radicalised? On package holidays to Marbella? Where are their wives chosen from? Where do they all shop? What do their wear? What schools have they set up and with what ideals? What language do they speak? There are do many questions there and I can't really see the relevance of any of them. You don't like Muslims do you? I don't dislike the intelligent, westernised, civilised ones at all. The rest I don't. Neither does the Home Secretary, his brother, or any other right thinking person." How are you defining westernised and civilised? I'm curious where you draw the line? And what about intelligence? That's quite a relative term? Do they have to be members of mensa or just literate to get your approval? | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century?" Have you asked them? I've enjoyed some lovely and charming debate with women who wear the burka and why they do and the responses have been as varied as why someone prefers meat to vegetables. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" I wonder what his policy is on gimp masks? Not that I have one. I was asking for a friends | |||
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"I think those championing the woman's "choice" to wear a burka or niqab maybe unaware of the depth of subjugation women have endured over the centuries, in Islam as well as other religions. When a muslim woman says "it's my choice to cover my face entirely", is that the genuine truth? Or is it that they have been repressed for so long that any decision the husband/father or Imam makes for them instantly becomes their "own" decision because they have been brought up to believe that the male's decision is always the correct one for them. Physical beatings for transgressions within the marriage are advocated by many high-ranking muslim clerics. If asked for her opinion regarding the wearing of facial coverings, could the woman's answer take into account the disapproval of her male patriarchs and the underlying threat of physical punishment? We make laws to protect vunerable groups within our community - children, the mentally disabled etc for their own good, because in many cases they are unable to make these decisions for themselves. I think, perhaps, that muslim women (and women from any other religious order that imposes rules only applicable to women) should be counted as "vunerable" and protected under law. Personally, I wouldn't call for a complete ban in public, but I think that some measures should be taken. For example, they should be banned on public transport, NHS premises and banks. Shops and other businesses should be able to refuse entry to wearers with impunity if they require, but should display a notice saying that no facial coverings are allowed on their premises, to include crash helmets, balaclavas, hoodies etc. I think those who advocate the wearing of face coverings should ask themselves the question, "am I allowing women freedom of choice, or am I just facilitating the continuing male subjugation of women"? The reason I made this post is because of how disgusted I felt at what I saw just the other day. On one of the hottest days of the year, I saw a man walking along the pavement in shorts and t-shirt. He had a cigarette and a "food item" in one hand, and the other was holding his phone whilst he shouted into it loudly. Behind him was apparently his wife, clad in full niqab struggling to push a double buggy complete with 3 kids, 5 or 6 bags of shopping hung off it, a slab of tins underneath and she was trying to hold on to the hand of a 5-ish year old girl. Probably my imagination, but the look of pitiful desolation in her eyes made me think "is this really her choice?"" I've seen many a western man (black & white) who treats his wife with equal disdain . I've known men who've paid for their partners breast implants and think it means they own that person. We will never change the thinking style of some men by simply banning the burka..or breast implants. | |||
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"I think those championing the woman's "choice" to wear a burka or niqab maybe unaware of the depth of subjugation women have endured over the centuries, in Islam as well as other religions. When a muslim woman says "it's my choice to cover my face entirely", is that the genuine truth? Or is it that they have been repressed for so long that any decision the husband/father or Imam makes for them instantly becomes their "own" decision because they have been brought up to believe that the male's decision is always the correct one for them. Physical beatings for transgressions within the marriage are advocated by many high-ranking muslim clerics. If asked for her opinion regarding the wearing of facial coverings, could the woman's answer take into account the disapproval of her male patriarchs and the underlying threat of physical punishment? We make laws to protect vunerable groups within our community - children, the mentally disabled etc for their own good, because in many cases they are unable to make these decisions for themselves. I think, perhaps, that muslim women (and women from any other religious order that imposes rules only applicable to women) should be counted as "vunerable" and protected under law. Personally, I wouldn't call for a complete ban in public, but I think that some measures should be taken. For example, they should be banned on public transport, NHS premises and banks. Shops and other businesses should be able to refuse entry to wearers with impunity if they require, but should display a notice saying that no facial coverings are allowed on their premises, to include crash helmets, balaclavas, hoodies etc. I think those who advocate the wearing of face coverings should ask themselves the question, "am I allowing women freedom of choice, or am I just facilitating the continuing male subjugation of women"? The reason I made this post is because of how disgusted I felt at what I saw just the other day. On one of the hottest days of the year, I saw a man walking along the pavement in shorts and t-shirt. He had a cigarette and a "food item" in one hand, and the other was holding his phone whilst he shouted into it loudly. Behind him was apparently his wife, clad in full niqab struggling to push a double buggy complete with 3 kids, 5 or 6 bags of shopping hung off it, a slab of tins underneath and she was trying to hold on to the hand of a 5-ish year old girl. Probably my imagination, but the look of pitiful desolation in her eyes made me think "is this really her choice?"" ...Most of those so called champions are the ones calling for open borders and that Islam is a religion of peace...actions across Europe over the last few years and even now prove other wise but hey open up the flood gates to no go areas in most major European city's,public hate speech that no native born citizen would get away with but if your of s certain religion it's ok not to mention the shocking way cases like Rotherham ( just one of many ) got brushed aside for the sake of pc bullshit....so as a security issue the burka should be banned....when in Europe / England they follow our rule of law..we don't bend it to accomadate others just for fear of a backlash because THEY can't get things their way. | |||
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" My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language " A ban on face veils? So women will no longer have the choice to get married wearing one. Freedom means just that - the freedom to choose a religion or not, to dress however you want. The state - and especially when articulated by a male - has no place to dictate to women what they can and cannot wear. If a woman wants to go out showing 95 per cent of flesh, that is her choice. If she wants to go out showing 5 per cent of flesh, that is her choice. | |||
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" My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language A ban on face veils? So women will no longer have the choice to get married wearing one. Freedom means just that - the freedom to choose a religion or not, to dress however you want. The state - and especially when articulated by a male - has no place to dictate to women what they can and cannot wear. If a woman wants to go out showing 95 per cent of flesh, that is her choice. If she wants to go out showing 5 per cent of flesh, that is her choice." Churches and their grounds are private property, so a ban on wearing veils in public wouldn't really apply. Plus, how long is it since you've been to a wedding? Aside from in the movies, hardly any women wear a wedding veil these days. " The state - and especially when articulated by a male - has no place to dictate to women what they can and cannot wear. " And on this point, what if it is the patriarchs of the culture that are forcing women to wear veils, as per my rather long post above? Your post doesn't really offer solutions, you just negate the responsibility of a society to protect the potentially vulnerable. | |||
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"I think those championing the woman's "choice" to wear a burka or niqab maybe unaware of the depth of subjugation women have endured over the centuries, in Islam as well as other religions. When a muslim woman says "it's my choice to cover my face entirely", is that the genuine truth? Or is it that they have been repressed for so long that any decision the husband/father or Imam makes for them instantly becomes their "own" decision because they have been brought up to believe that the male's decision is always the correct one for them. Physical beatings for transgressions within the marriage are advocated by many high-ranking muslim clerics. If asked for her opinion regarding the wearing of facial coverings, could the woman's answer take into account the disapproval of her male patriarchs and the underlying threat of physical punishment? We make laws to protect vunerable groups within our community - children, the mentally disabled etc for their own good, because in many cases they are unable to make these decisions for themselves. I think, perhaps, that muslim women (and women from any other religious order that imposes rules only applicable to women) should be counted as "vunerable" and protected under law. Personally, I wouldn't call for a complete ban in public, but I think that some measures should be taken. For example, they should be banned on public transport, NHS premises and banks. Shops and other businesses should be able to refuse entry to wearers with impunity if they require, but should display a notice saying that no facial coverings are allowed on their premises, to include crash helmets, balaclavas, hoodies etc. I think those who advocate the wearing of face coverings should ask themselves the question, "am I allowing women freedom of choice, or am I just facilitating the continuing male subjugation of women"? The reason I made this post is because of how disgusted I felt at what I saw just the other day. On one of the hottest days of the year, I saw a man walking along the pavement in shorts and t-shirt. He had a cigarette and a "food item" in one hand, and the other was holding his phone whilst he shouted into it loudly. Behind him was apparently his wife, clad in full niqab struggling to push a double buggy complete with 3 kids, 5 or 6 bags of shopping hung off it, a slab of tins underneath and she was trying to hold on to the hand of a 5-ish year old girl. Probably my imagination, but the look of pitiful desolation in her eyes made me think "is this really her choice?" If only this was limited to Muslims..I mean the boorish, male behaviour I could agree, but it is not, Christianity & rampant patriarchy have kept women of all creeds & religions subjugated for centuries, some are moving away faster than others for reasons much more complex than 'simple' religious reasons." | |||
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Why wouldn't they?who knows what laws religious or not they have, maybe it's against the Muslim belief to be gay maybe they have to wear Burkhas if they are gay "That doesn't sound very progressive? Isn't the British society supposed to be becoming more progressive and inclusive? | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force." why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four | |||
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"I think those championing the woman's "choice" to wear a burka or niqab maybe unaware of the depth of subjugation women have endured over the centuries, in Islam as well as other religions. When a muslim woman says "it's my choice to cover my face entirely", is that the genuine truth? Or is it that they have been repressed for so long that any decision the husband/father or Imam makes for them instantly becomes their "own" decision because they have been brought up to believe that the male's decision is always the correct one for them. Physical beatings for transgressions within the marriage are advocated by many high-ranking muslim clerics. If asked for her opinion regarding the wearing of facial coverings, could the woman's answer take into account the disapproval of her male patriarchs and the underlying threat of physical punishment? We make laws to protect vunerable groups within our community - children, the mentally disabled etc for their own good, because in many cases they are unable to make these decisions for themselves. I think, perhaps, that muslim women (and women from any other religious order that imposes rules only applicable to women) should be counted as "vunerable" and protected under law. Personally, I wouldn't call for a complete ban in public, but I think that some measures should be taken. For example, they should be banned on public transport, NHS premises and banks. Shops and other businesses should be able to refuse entry to wearers with impunity if they require, but should display a notice saying that no facial coverings are allowed on their premises, to include crash helmets, balaclavas, hoodies etc. I think those who advocate the wearing of face coverings should ask themselves the question, "am I allowing women freedom of choice, or am I just facilitating the continuing male subjugation of women"? The reason I made this post is because of how disgusted I felt at what I saw just the other day. On one of the hottest days of the year, I saw a man walking along the pavement in shorts and t-shirt. He had a cigarette and a "food item" in one hand, and the other was holding his phone whilst he shouted into it loudly. Behind him was apparently his wife, clad in full niqab struggling to push a double buggy complete with 3 kids, 5 or 6 bags of shopping hung off it, a slab of tins underneath and she was trying to hold on to the hand of a 5-ish year old girl. Probably my imagination, but the look of pitiful desolation in her eyes made me think "is this really her choice?" If only this was limited to Muslims..I mean the boorish, male behaviour I could agree, but it is not, Christianity & rampant patriarchy have kept women of all creeds & religions subjugated for centuries, some are moving away faster than others for reasons much more complex than 'simple' religious reasons. "i think you'll find most religions have tried to move with the times no matter how slow...Islam on the other hand doesn't want to move forward...my god you know your bad when even Buddhists have a big issue with Islam.... | |||
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" Was there an aim? His clumsy comments didn't advocate them being banned, he made a clumsy joke about appearances? Ratger unwise in his position? But we can laugh about farmers in green wellies and flat caps, middle aged men in lycra, the dart players brigade in chunky gold jewellery etc etc...can we not see something funny about that ? Perhaps if we did there's less tension? " exactly it's only a problem because they are muslim | |||
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"Agree with him. Although it can be religious it has no place in the western world. Should be banned on security reasons. When I'm near someone wearing one, I'm very offended and afraid. Remove the head part or have it banned." If you are offended and frightened by what someone chooses to wear then that says more about you than it says about them. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" I think it’s their right to wear them, I do think there should be some exclusions tho, airports etc due to high security risks. There have been instances of men evading detection by wearing the burka. | |||
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"I think those championing the woman's "choice" to wear a burka or niqab maybe unaware of the depth of subjugation women have endured over the centuries, in Islam as well as other religions. When a muslim woman says "it's my choice to cover my face entirely", is that the genuine truth? Or is it that they have been repressed for so long that any decision the husband/father or Imam makes for them instantly becomes their "own" decision because they have been brought up to believe that the male's decision is always the correct one for them. Physical beatings for transgressions within the marriage are advocated by many high-ranking muslim clerics. If asked for her opinion regarding the wearing of facial coverings, could the woman's answer take into account the disapproval of her male patriarchs and the underlying threat of physical punishment? We make laws to protect vunerable groups within our community - children, the mentally disabled etc for their own good, because in many cases they are unable to make these decisions for themselves. I think, perhaps, that muslim women (and women from any other religious order that imposes rules only applicable to women) should be counted as "vunerable" and protected under law. Personally, I wouldn't call for a complete ban in public, but I think that some measures should be taken. For example, they should be banned on public transport, NHS premises and banks. Shops and other businesses should be able to refuse entry to wearers with impunity if they require, but should display a notice saying that no facial coverings are allowed on their premises, to include crash helmets, balaclavas, hoodies etc. I think those who advocate the wearing of face coverings should ask themselves the question, "am I allowing women freedom of choice, or am I just facilitating the continuing male subjugation of women"? The reason I made this post is because of how disgusted I felt at what I saw just the other day. On one of the hottest days of the year, I saw a man walking along the pavement in shorts and t-shirt. He had a cigarette and a "food item" in one hand, and the other was holding his phone whilst he shouted into it loudly. Behind him was apparently his wife, clad in full niqab struggling to push a double buggy complete with 3 kids, 5 or 6 bags of shopping hung off it, a slab of tins underneath and she was trying to hold on to the hand of a 5-ish year old girl. Probably my imagination, but the look of pitiful desolation in her eyes made me think "is this really her choice?" If only this was limited to Muslims..I mean the boorish, male behaviour I could agree, but it is not, Christianity & rampant patriarchy have kept women of all creeds & religions subjugated for centuries, some are moving away faster than others for reasons much more complex than 'simple' religious reasons. i think you'll find most religions have tried to move with the times no matter how slow...Islam on the other hand doesn't want to move forward...my god you know your bad when even Buddhists have a big issue with Islam...."I think that is more to do with local cultural factors rather than Islam itself. I would have thought that the millions of Muslims living in the developed west have moved forward quite considerably compared to Muslims in the third or developing world. | |||
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"I’ve just been away to turkey, there were a few Muslim women laying on sun loungers on the beach and round the pool covered head to toe in their full attire when their fellas were having a ball in their budgie smugglers. If us western men forced that kind of thing on our women we’d be called fit to burn. " Sadly, according to some of the above posters, this is the women's choice and should be respected. | |||
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"Each to their own ... if they wish to cover , they can cover Jesus - ban see through leggings , far more offensive Actually I approve of see through clothing
Leggings ? Really - you disgust me
All see through clothing "In my experience girls who wear see-through leggings are generally not people who should have anything seethrough on... | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" Our (thankfully) ex-foreign secretary is nothing more than a fucking moron. Whether he likes it or not (and frankly I don’t care either way) we live in a multi-cultural society in which everyone has the right to dress as they see fit. As far as I know, nobody in the Islamic community takes to a nationwide forum and publicly decries the wearing of short skirts or crop tops in public, so what does he think gives him the right to criticise clothing worn through religious affiliation? He wrongly believes that Britain is a Protestant country and that all other religions are just wrong. What he forgets is that while Britain might claim to be a Protestant country (as distinct from a Catholic, Jewish or Muslim country) in terms of the laws that are created and enforced, most ordinary citizens do not share those views. I have no religious conviction and as such, have no problem with those who do practicing that religion. I do however have a massive issue with someone pushing THEIR choice of religion (Protestant or whatever) on me. The man’s a raving lunatic and will probably be our next Prime Minister. | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts? Our (thankfully) ex-foreign secretary is nothing more than a fucking moron. Whether he likes it or not (and frankly I don’t care either way) we live in a multi-cultural society in which everyone has the right to dress as they see fit. As far as I know, nobody in the Islamic community takes to a nationwide forum and publicly decries the wearing of short skirts or crop tops in public, so what does he think gives him the right to criticise clothing worn through religious affiliation? He wrongly believes that Britain is a Protestant country and that all other religions are just wrong. What he forgets is that while Britain might claim to be a Protestant country (as distinct from a Catholic, Jewish or Muslim country) in terms of the laws that are created and enforced, most ordinary citizens do not share those views. I have no religious conviction and as such, have no problem with those who do practicing that religion. I do however have a massive issue with someone pushing THEIR choice of religion (Protestant or whatever) on me. The man’s a raving lunatic and will probably be our next Prime Minister. " I disagree | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four" Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK? | |||
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"Agree with him. Although it can be religious it has no place in the western world. Should be banned on security reasons. When I'm near someone wearing one, I'm very offended and afraid. Remove the head part or have it banned." How does it scare you? | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four" I know loads of families with 4+ kids and they are all white British familes, my friends have 10 kids. My brother has 4 kids. | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK?" . According to pew polling, the Muslim population will be 23% within 30 years. They just ran the demographics of birth and death rates. With extra immigration they estimated it to be 30% by 2050. | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK?. According to pew polling, the Muslim population will be 23% within 30 years. They just ran the demographics of birth and death rates. With extra immigration they estimated it to be 30% by 2050." Nit checked those figures but assuming them to be correct (and it seems inconsistent that you simultaneously claim an increase of 23% in 30 years, and a 30% increase in 32 years), as take overs go, that's an incredibly slow progression... | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK?. According to pew polling, the Muslim population will be 23% within 30 years. They just ran the demographics of birth and death rates. With extra immigration they estimated it to be 30% by 2050. Nit checked those figures but assuming them to be correct (and it seems inconsistent that you simultaneously claim an increase of 23% in 30 years, and a 30% increase in 32 years), as take overs go, that's an incredibly slow progression..." https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050 | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK?. According to pew polling, the Muslim population will be 23% within 30 years. They just ran the demographics of birth and death rates. With extra immigration they estimated it to be 30% by 2050. Nit checked those figures but assuming them to be correct (and it seems inconsistent that you simultaneously claim an increase of 23% in 30 years, and a 30% increase in 32 years), as take overs go, that's an incredibly slow progression... https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050 " You don't need channel four or the BBC to tell you that eventually Britain WILL have a Muslim majority and when it does happen it'll be good to see how many apologists for Islam/Islamic terror attacks enjoy living under sharia law. | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century?" Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! Interesting that the colonisers of foreign lands didn't adopt that view...including the Romans!exactly what do you think is happening across Europe and England right now..... I'm not sure any foreigners are taking control of social, political or economic structures in England by the use of military force.why use force when the native population can be overcome by a rampant birth rate from so refugees / poor migrants who don't have a problem having 4,5 or more children...I think you need to get your news from other sources then the BBC or channel four Less than 5% of the population is muslim. Which equates to less than 4 million people. Do you want to do the maths as to why population growth will NEVER see Islam become the majority in the UK?. According to pew polling, the Muslim population will be 23% within 30 years. They just ran the demographics of birth and death rates. With extra immigration they estimated it to be 30% by 2050. Nit checked those figures but assuming them to be correct (and it seems inconsistent that you simultaneously claim an increase of 23% in 30 years, and a 30% increase in 32 years), as take overs go, that's an incredibly slow progression... https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050 You don't need channel four or the BBC to tell you that eventually Britain WILL have a Muslim majority and when it does happen it'll be good to see how many apologists for Islam/Islamic terror attacks enjoy living under sharia law." Again if you want to tell me how the Islamic population can increase 6 fold to 35 million from less than 5million feel free. But even if it happens, if we woke up tomorrow and had a population 51% muslim, how would or could they introduce Sharia law. You;re the one alluding this could happen so instead unsubstantiated soundbites and digs based on news sources i;ve not even refered to, I;d love to hear how this could happen | |||
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"There have been instances of men evading detection by wearing the burka. " Plenty instances of men evading justice by getting dressed as women. But no-one argues cross-dressing should become a crime. | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century? Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith" There is an irony of people assuming that women are forced to do some thing wanting to force the same women not to be able to do the same thing isn;t there? | |||
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"Simply put When in Rome ! We are by general a Christian society why should they be allowed to wear a full face burka in public How are they to be accepted & treated fairly in society if they carry on as they are My personal opinion is it should be banned out right and they should all learn the English language What a drain on resources for NHS hiring interpreters for them " In this case “Rome” is the U.K. A civilised, developed country where people are allowed to wear whatever they like. Why on earth are you under the impression that Muslims living in the U.K. don’t speak English anyway? The ones on my street do. The ones serving me in the local shop do. I suppose you also believe that you should be banned from going to foreign countries unless you speak the native language? Don’t tell me - that’s different. | |||
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"I’ve just been away to turkey, there were a few Muslim women laying on sun loungers on the beach and round the pool covered head to toe in their full attire when their fellas were having a ball in their budgie smugglers. If us western men forced that kind of thing on our women we’d be called fit to burn. Sadly, according to some of the above posters, this is the women's choice and should be respected. " It’s only “sadly” if you’re conflating two different things. People are saying that if it is their choice it should be respected. Any inference that people are saying it should be respected if it isn’t their choice is just putting words in people’s mouths. | |||
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"I clicked on this expecting a story/fantasy post exploring Johnson and his burqa kink... Must say I'm a bit disappointed!!!
My name is Boris and one day I met a sexy Muslim lady who was wearing a red burka. She was the silent smouldering type and I quickly got my manhood in her mouth. She must have been inexperienced as her teeth were chaffing my rod a lot. I was getting close when we were interrupted by a man in a cap and red bag telling me to stop shagging a postbox.... " | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century? Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith There is an irony of people assuming that women are forced to do some thing wanting to force the same women not to be able to do the same thing isn;t there?" Very true, replacing one man's version of oppression with another man's version of it..the only 'victim' in both scenarios are women! | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century? Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith There is an irony of people assuming that women are forced to do some thing wanting to force the same women not to be able to do the same thing isn;t there? Very true, replacing one man's version of oppression with another man's version of it..the only 'victim' in both scenarios are women!" So the best solution is to wimp out and do nothing then? Look up Stockholm Syndrom research and see if anything looks familiar | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century? Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith There is an irony of people assuming that women are forced to do some thing wanting to force the same women not to be able to do the same thing isn;t there? Very true, replacing one man's version of oppression with another man's version of it..the only 'victim' in both scenarios are women! So the best solution is to wimp out and do nothing then? Look up Stockholm Syndrom research and see if anything looks familiar "Does anything need to be done though? Eveyone opposed to the Burkha sees it as a sign of oppression but plenty of research suggests that in western europe many women where it of their own free will. How is telling someone they can;t do something any different to telling someone that they must. If the Burkha is a sign of oppression in that banning it would achieve fuck all anyway | |||
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"And why do Muslim women allow themselves to be controlled by like this by men in the 21st Century? Have you asked any Muslim woman who wears hijab/niqab or burka whether it was their choice or someone elses? Why is it always assumed if they wear it they are made to wear it - some choose to because it brings them closer to their faith There is an irony of people assuming that women are forced to do some thing wanting to force the same women not to be able to do the same thing isn;t there? Very true, replacing one man's version of oppression with another man's version of it..the only 'victim' in both scenarios are women! So the best solution is to wimp out and do nothing then? Look up Stockholm Syndrom research and see if anything looks familiar "I've said many times in this thread-challenging the behaviour of abusive men by dictating the clothes WOMEN wear will have no effect on behaviour change amongst those men, a more effective measure might be to force Muslim men to wear the burka, how does that sound? | |||
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"Saw his letterbox comments and not sure what his aim was. With security a massive risk are people wearing them a risk? Or is it their rights to wear what they want? I have a balaclava that totally covers my face but has eyes and mouth hole. I would imagine if I wore it anywhere apart from skiing in very cold places I would make people feel very uncomfortable. We don't have many people wearing bhurkas here but in London last week I saw a fair few, I found it a bit uncomfortable not seeing a full face or a smile. What's your thoughts?" I think it’s a shame we haven’t taken the same line as so many other countries and banned them . | |||
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? " Well that’s what he has said in his defence . He says it is wrong for him to be made to apologise as it does away with his right to exercise freedom of speech . And it would do , just as Jeremy Corbyn should be allowed to,say whatever he like about Israel , Jews , the IRA , the Nazis and anything else that will prevent him getting elected at the next election . Two men who should be allowed to say whatever they like , even if they do shoot themselves in the foot by doing so . | |||
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? Well that’s what he has said in his defence . He says it is wrong for him to be made to apologise as it does away with his right to exercise freedom of speech . And it would do , just as Jeremy Corbyn should be allowed to,say whatever he like about Israel , Jews , the IRA , the Nazis and anything else that will prevent him getting elected at the next election . Two men who should be allowed to say whatever they like , even if they do shoot themselves in the foot by doing so ." Totally agree . Just because you are high profile should not stop you having your freedom of speech | |||
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? " Most posters here are denouncing men for their belief that they're forcing women to wear the burka, Johnson has chosen to be disrespectful to women in the choice of words he used to reveal his dislike of the burka. He could have made that point without resorting to Trumpesque language. | |||
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? Well that’s what he has said in his defence . He says it is wrong for him to be made to apologise as it does away with his right to exercise freedom of speech . And it would do , just as Jeremy Corbyn should be allowed to,say whatever he like about Israel , Jews , the IRA , the Nazis and anything else that will prevent him getting elected at the next election . Two men who should be allowed to say whatever they like , even if they do shoot themselves in the foot by doing so ."
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? Well that’s what he has said in his defence . He says it is wrong for him to be made to apologise as it does away with his right to exercise freedom of speech . And it would do , just as Jeremy Corbyn should be allowed to,say whatever he like about Israel , Jews , the IRA , the Nazis and anything else that will prevent him getting elected at the next election . Two men who should be allowed to say whatever they like , even if they do shoot themselves in the foot by doing so . Totally agree . Just because you are high profile should not stop you having your freedom of speech " ..but freedom of speech is not the same as being able to say what you want without consequences...& being asked to apologise is one of those consequences, he is (in some ways) a grown man, surely he can see that...oh wait forgot about the 'job application' part of his future plan..Boris PM. | |||
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"When it boils down to it, men need to stop telling women how to dress. Burkhas or bikinis, it always seems to be a guy wanting to decide what is the right thing for a woman to wear" Women have opinions too. | |||
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"I heard lots of people say they look like letter boxes . Just cause he's high profile should he not say what he thinks ? Most posters here are denouncing men for their belief that they're forcing women to wear the burka, Johnson has chosen to be disrespectful to women in the choice of words he used to reveal his dislike of the burka. He could have made that point without resorting to Trumpesque language." Yes he could of, however despite his baffoon like comments, he is a highly intelligent and calculated journalist/Politician. He knows what the issues are and he sure as hell knows how to hit a headline. He knew exactly what he was doing poking this hornets nest. 1. He hits the headlines again 2. Deflecting attention away from key Brexit discussions 3. He is further dividing his party, and is ing out those for abd against 4. Raising a bloody good point. They are intimidating. He is a very strong and brave politician and thats the type of leader our country needs right now. | |||
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"How many women wearing burqas have carried out actual acts of terrorism in the UK?? Anyone have the actual figure for this?? " Good point. I'm actually more wary of young men with rucksacks. | |||
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"Bottom line is why would a woman want to look like a black post box, they wouldn't but they are indoctrinated into wearing it it's part of their culture so it's become the way " There are those who would say that women in the West are indoctrinated by men into wearing skimpy revealing clothing. Think about that for a minute. | |||
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