FabSwingers.com forum: Dr Phil and Shelley Duvall

By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Shelley Duvall, best know for her role in "the shining" sat down for an interview with Dr Phil and well... she's having some problems. She seems to be suffering from something like paranoid schizophrenia, but I'm no expert on that. The interview was incoherent and many people criticised Dr Phil for broadcasting it.

He never made fun of her or argued with her. He kept a straight face even though the things she was saying didn't make any sense. Personally i think it's good to see a high profile case of this as it helps educate the public on mental health. At the end of the day, if the old lady down the street acted that way, you'd never know if that was her baseline personality or whether it was a mental health issue. A celebrity like Shelley Duvall gives a focus point for discussion of it.

Do you agree or disagree with Dr Phil showing it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who the heck is Dr Phil?

but seriously doesn't Piers Morgan let people unravel in his interviews?

.....and he's not even a Dr, he's just a twat

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"who the heck is Dr Phil?

but seriously doesn't Piers Morgan let people unravel in his interviews?

.....and he's not even a Dr, he's just a twat"

Who is Dr Phil!!!! - my goodness. Are you also going to tell me who don't know who the catch me outside girl is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"who the heck is Dr Phil?

but seriously doesn't Piers Morgan let people unravel in his interviews?

.....and he's not even a Dr, he's just a twat

Who is Dr Phil!!!! - my goodness. Are you also going to tell me who don't know who the catch me outside girl is? "

its also good to see you admitting to not being an expert on something

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"who the heck is Dr Phil?

but seriously doesn't Piers Morgan let people unravel in his interviews?

.....and he's not even a Dr, he's just a twat

Who is Dr Phil!!!! - my goodness. Are you also going to tell me who don't know who the catch me outside girl is?

its also good to see you admitting to not being an expert on something

So do you think it should have been broadcast or not?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Fucks me, nobody has an opinion on this!? Mental health questions normally fill threads on here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve heard about it, but I haven’t watched it. I read an interview that she gave a while ago (couldn’t tell you exactly when, sorry) about the way she was treated by Kubrick on the set of The Shining, it was quite upsetting.

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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago

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Didn’t see it so I can’t offer an opinion on it. Anything that highlights mental health issues is a good thing as long as its treated sensitively and the interviewee knows that’s what they are there to showcase.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I’ve heard about it, but I haven’t watched it. I read an interview that she gave a while ago (couldn’t tell you exactly when, sorry) about the way she was treated by Kubrick on the set of The Shining, it was quite upsetting. "

Yes that's interesting, I know the filming of the shining was absolutely brutal. Most scenes were shot 40-120 times because Kubrick actually wanted them to sort of lose it. I really don't know enough on the subject to say whether that could play a significant part of her current issues, but I'd be very interested to find out.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Didn’t see it so I can’t offer an opinion on it. Anything that highlights mental health issues is a good thing as long as its treated sensitively and the interviewee knows that’s what they are there to showcase."

I feel it was handled sensitively, but a lot of people complained saying that the world shouldn't see her this way.

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By *rongstantineWoman
over a year ago

hull

Kubrick essentially tortured Duvall to get the required 'genuine' reactions during filming. Poor cow was kept on edge for the duration. Wonder if that has stayed with her.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. "
o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

I found it educational to watch. I don't have much personal experience with the subject so I'm often not sure what's a mental illness and what's just personality. It was informative to see what a state of mental illness looked like, whilst knowing there was a baseline for that person that didn't include it. "
its good that you found it educational. But airing an interview with serious mental health issues is taking away her dignity. If she recovers and consents thats entirely different

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I didn't know who he is, but if she is unwell and you can tell then he shouldn't have aired it.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

I found it educational to watch. I don't have much personal experience with the subject so I'm often not sure what's a mental illness and what's just personality. It was informative to see what a state of mental illness looked like, whilst knowing there was a baseline for that person that didn't include it. its good that you found it educational. But airing an interview with serious mental health issues is taking away her dignity. If she recovers and consents thats entirely different"

Could you expand why you feel that way? I mean if i broke my leg and had a physical injury, it wouldn't compromise my dignity to be filmed with it.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

I found it educational to watch. I don't have much personal experience with the subject so I'm often not sure what's a mental illness and what's just personality. It was informative to see what a state of mental illness looked like, whilst knowing there was a baseline for that person that didn't include it. its good that you found it educational. But airing an interview with serious mental health issues is taking away her dignity. If she recovers and consents thats entirely different

Could you expand why you feel that way? I mean if i broke my leg and had a physical injury, it wouldn't compromise my dignity to be filmed with it. "
ok. I will expand. Breaking a leg is nothing like a mental illness. I havent seen the interview your talking about but you describe her as not being in touch with reality. I can only talk from personal experience but when im unwell i do and say some downright crazy and frankly embarresing stuff. I would not want it being shown to the world while i was experiencing it. Now if i was filmed and afterwards asked if the film could be released afterwards for educational reasons that would be a different matter. It would also be different if someone asked me if they could film me the next time i was in a psycotic state. Its all about the consent

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

I found it educational to watch. I don't have much personal experience with the subject so I'm often not sure what's a mental illness and what's just personality. It was informative to see what a state of mental illness looked like, whilst knowing there was a baseline for that person that didn't include it. its good that you found it educational. But airing an interview with serious mental health issues is taking away her dignity. If she recovers and consents thats entirely different

Could you expand why you feel that way? I mean if i broke my leg and had a physical injury, it wouldn't compromise my dignity to be filmed with it. ok. I will expand. Breaking a leg is nothing like a mental illness. I havent seen the interview your talking about but you describe her as not being in touch with reality. I can only talk from personal experience but when im unwell i do and say some downright crazy and frankly embarresing stuff. I would not want it being shown to the world while i was experiencing it. Now if i was filmed and afterwards asked if the film could be released afterwards for educational reasons that would be a different matter. It would also be different if someone asked me if they could film me the next time i was in a psycotic state. Its all about the consent"

Fair enough, i just didn't see anything she needs to feel ashamed of. It's an illness, I hope she gets treatment. It wouldn't make me think any less of her, if she was someone I knew.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Havent seen the interview but im in two minds. Yes its good to highlight mental health but i wouldnt want an interview with me broadcast when i wasnt well.

Saw an interview with frank bruno when he was saying how well he was and how far he had come. I could tell straight away he wasnt and a few weeks later he was readmitted

She's lost touch with reality so in that sense, I'm not sure she can really consent to it. On the other hand, I think he handled it with dignity. I hope she gets better and can look at that interview as a good example of what mental illness looks like. o think it might have been a good idea waiting until she could consent to it. I certainly wouldnt want the world to see me in my full psycotic glory

I found it educational to watch. I don't have much personal experience with the subject so I'm often not sure what's a mental illness and what's just personality. It was informative to see what a state of mental illness looked like, whilst knowing there was a baseline for that person that didn't include it. its good that you found it educational. But airing an interview with serious mental health issues is taking away her dignity. If she recovers and consents thats entirely different

Fair enough, i just didn't see anything she needs to feel ashamed of. It's an illness, I hope she gets treatment. It wouldn't make me think any less of her, if she was someone I knew. "
it is an illness but it doesnt stop you doing stuff your later embarressed about. Would you be happy to be filmed while having no control over your thoughts and actions?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" it is an illness but it doesnt stop you doing stuff your later embarressed about. Would you be happy to be filmed while having no control over your thoughts and actions?"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

" it is an illness but it doesnt stop you doing stuff your later embarressed about. Would you be happy to be filmed while having no control over your thoughts and actions?

Well I'm not embarassed about the fact I used to shit myself when I was a baby, because that's what babies do. I'd be embarassed if it happened now. A person saying incoherent things when they are suffering from a mental illness is just the illness talking. "
so you would be happy to be judged and laughed at publicly. Just because you wouldnt do those things doesnt mean others dont. Being mentally ill brings great vulnerability and there are plenty of people that will take advantage of that

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" it is an illness but it doesnt stop you doing stuff your later embarressed about. Would you be happy to be filmed while having no control over your thoughts and actions?

Well I'm not embarassed about the fact I used to shit myself when I was a baby, because that's what babies do. I'd be embarassed if it happened now. A person saying incoherent things when they are suffering from a mental illness is just the illness talking. so you would be happy to be judged and laughed at publicly. Just because you wouldnt do those things doesnt mean others dont. Being mentally ill brings great vulnerability and there are plenty of people that will take advantage of that"

I'd say that anyone who laughed at

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

" it is an illness but it doesnt stop you doing stuff your later embarressed about. Would you be happy to be filmed while having no control over your thoughts and actions?

Well I'm not embarassed about the fact I used to shit myself when I was a baby, because that's what babies do. I'd be embarassed if it happened now. A person saying incoherent things when they are suffering from a mental illness is just the illness talking. so you would be happy to be judged and laughed at publicly. Just because you wouldnt do those things doesnt mean others dont. Being mentally ill brings great vulnerability and there are plenty of people that will take advantage of that

I'd say that anyone who laughed at

Shelley Duvall for that interview is ignorant and I wouldn't respect their opinion in the slightest. The benefit of Shelley Duvall being on there instead of me (with a mental illness) is that people know who she is. They know that at one time, her wonderful mind was capable of great achievements in acting, so the contrast is clear. Nobody knows me so they'd have no basis for comparison. "
but your opinion wouldnt matter the only person who matters is shelley duvall and there are a lot of ignorant people in the world. Your basing it on your views to mental health and not taking into account that others will have different views

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Also if i saw the interview id have no idea what to base anything on as i have no clue as to who she is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like Dr Phil. I haven't seen it so can't really say but in theory it may help someone. I'd be interested in who gave permission for the interview in the first place.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Also if i saw the interview id have no idea what to base anything on as i have no clue as to who she is"

Parts of it are on YouTube

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Right ive just looked up about the interview and the first thing it says is that shelly duvel says shes struggling with mental illness and is very sick in an interview with doctor phil which is something completly different from what i got from the op.The op gave me the impression she had no idea she was ill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve not watched it all, but these kind of shows tend to make me wary.

It strikes me as a bit of exploitation of someone who is vulnerable, because let’s face it she was bound to say something outlandish and that would be jumped on by the press, that then equates to publicity for him and his show, at the expense of someone else.

Does it really draw attention to mental health issues, or does it draw attention to Shelley Duvall that actress who went on telly and told everyone that she now believes that Robin Williams is not dead and is in fact a shapeshifter?

She would more than likely get ridiculed for saying that, because some folk are ignorant twits and won’t see it as the utterances of an ill woman, but that of a kook.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Right ive just looked up about the interview and the first thing it says is that shelly duvel says shes struggling with mental illness and is very sick in an interview with doctor phil which is something completly different from what i got from the op.The op gave me the impression she had no idea she was ill"

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I’ve not watched it all, but these kind of shows tend to make me wary.

She would more than likely get ridiculed for saying that, because some folk are ignorant twits and won’t see it as the utterances of an ill woman, but that of a kook.

I actually forgot that bit because i just put everything she said into the category of "lost touch". But from my point of view, I do want to understand how she noe knows she needs help. I'm not sure if she would reflect on that statement later or whether she didn't even believe it at the time or whether she believe that but not other things. Personally i didn't find any bit of it funny.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. "
nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions"

I never said she did or didn't know. You assumed not me. It's way too complex for me to make assumptions about what she is or isn't aware of.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

I never said she did or didn't know. You assumed not me. It's way too complex for me to make assumptions about what she is or isn't aware of. "
but every time i mentioned consent not once did you mention what she had said or corrected so what else was i ment to assume

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Busted lol xx

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

I never said she did or didn't know. You assumed not me. It's way too complex for me to make assumptions about what she is or isn't aware of. but every time i mentioned consent not once did you mention what she had said or corrected so what else was i ment to assume"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? "
it doesnt matter whether you understand or not you could of made it clear that she was doing the interview to get help. First thing i read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

did or does shelly duvall have capacity? from the information given so far, the supposition that she hadn't or hasn't capacity would be an presumption rather than an assumption

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? "
thats also going off topic from your op. Maybe you could start a thread on how do people know they are mentally ill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? "

Maybe she has moments of lucidity where it’s apparent she has done stuff she wouldn’t normally do when well.

I would have thought friends, family, agent would have mentioned her behaviour at some point. Don’t they also stage mental health interventions in America? Like they do with drink/drugs? Maybe that happened? Although that would mean she would be getting help already i would have thought.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? it doesnt matter whether you understand or not you could of made it clear that she was doing the interview to get help. First thing i read. "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? it doesnt matter whether you understand or not you could of made it clear that she was doing the interview to get help. First thing i read.

I have no idea what you think I've done or why you think that's the central issue. Did you also read that after the show she refused to sign the necessary paperwork to treat her? I think your massively over simplifying to make a point i don't really understand. "
the point im making is that if i knew she was aware she was ill and was doing the interview to get help i would of had a completly different opinion

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? it doesnt matter whether you understand or not you could of made it clear that she was doing the interview to get help. First thing i read.

I have no idea what you think I've done or why you think that's the central issue. Did you also read that after the show she refused to sign the necessary paperwork to treat her? I think your massively over simplifying to make a point i don't really understand. the point im making is that if i knew she was aware she was ill and was doing the interview to get help i would of had a completly different opinion"

So have a different opinion. I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white and you are making out. Nor do a lot of other people otherwise they wouldn't have objected to the show being aired.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Errr no. I said she'd lost touch with reality. She rambles incoherently and say stories that don't make any sense. How aware of it she is i couldn't say as i couldnt find the whole thing on YouTube. I presume she went on the show to get help, so it would make sense that she knows she needs help. It's not clear what condition she has, so i have no idea whether she knows what she is saying doesn't make sense at the time, later or not at all. nowhere on the thread have you mentioned shes aware that she is ill. It was the very first thing that came up. It was the whole bloody reason she was doing the interview to get help. For someone who likes a good debate you should really have all the facts at hand instead of basing it on assumptions

Because I don't pretend to understand her condition. I don't know if she is like that all the time, some of the time or what. If you asked her anything in that interview, I don't see how you could take her answer at face value. I'd actually be interested to know, how she knows that she needs help? it doesnt matter whether you understand or not you could of made it clear that she was doing the interview to get help. First thing i read.

I have no idea what you think I've done or why you think that's the central issue. Did you also read that after the show she refused to sign the necessary paperwork to treat her? I think your massively over simplifying to make a point i don't really understand. the point im making is that if i knew she was aware she was ill and was doing the interview to get help i would of had a completly different opinion

So have a different opinion. I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white and you are making out. Nor do a lot of other people otherwise they wouldn't have objected to the show being aired. "
im not making it out to be black and white. For someone who bit picks every tiny detail of what people say i cant understand how you cant see there isnt an importance of being given the correct information.

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I never said she did or didn't know. You assumed not me. It's way too complex for me to make assumptions about what she is or isn't aware of.

But you didn't correct diamond when she mentioned consent was needed. I thought the same as Diamond, that the person didn't know she was ill and it was aired anyway.

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Basingstoke

I never said she did or didn't know. You assumed not me. It's way too complex for me to make assumptions about what she is or isn't aware of.

But you didn't correct diamond when she mentioned consent was needed. I thought the same as Diamond, that the person didn't know she was ill and it was aired anyway."

As i said, it's complicated. If you see her state of mind during the interview, i don't see how she can consent to anything. Maybe her state of mind changes, but that makes it very complicated. The fact is that she refused the help straight after the show so it's really not as simple as saying "oh she went on the show to get help".

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I think you are missing diamonds point...if you had given all the information then her answers would have been different

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Basingstoke

"I think you are missing diamonds point...if you had given all the information then her answers would have been different"

I certainly am missing her point. It's not like i deliberately excluded anything. The consent issue is complicated. The primary reason anyone goes on a show like Dr Phil is for the aftercare so it's not really my responsibility to point that out. The fact that she then refused that care shows it's really not so clear cut and I've said from the start that I'm no expert on this and I don't pretend to understand her condition.

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But you didn't correct her when she mentioned consent nor mention it in your OP...I assumed ( obviously wrongly too ) that she turned up for an interview , they filmed it, realised she must be having problems and aired it anyway.

If it does indeed turn out that she agreed to an interview when she next had problems with her mental health then that is totally different scenario as she agreed to it before hand

People knowing the full story will probably get you different answers

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"But you didn't correct her when she mentioned consent nor mention it in your OP...I assumed ( obviously wrongly too ) that she turned up for an interview , they filmed it, realised she must be having problems and aired it anyway.

If it does indeed turn out that she agreed to an interview when she next had problems with her mental health then that is totally different scenario as she agreed to it before hand

People knowing the full story will probably get you different answers

I didn't correct her because i didn't know the full context either. I watched a clip of the interview on YouTube. I think maybe you guys aren't familiar with what Dr Phil is, he's not a journalist who just does interviews with people. If she wasn't having problems then she wouldn't be on the show, you don't go on Dr Phil to talk about how great your life is..

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

"I didn't know who he is, but if she is unwell and you can tell then he shouldn't have aired it."

Shelley Duvall.

Exactly as above.

Dr Phil

I have now googled him and the revolting female who wanted to fight everyone outside. However I genuinely couldn’t understand what she was saying in the clip

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I didn't know who he is, but if she is unwell and you can tell then he shouldn't have aired it.

Shelley Duvall.

Exactly as above.

Dr Phil

I have now googled him and the revolting female who wanted to fight everyone outside. However I genuinely couldn’t understand what she was saying in the clip "

I believe she said "cassssh me outsydeeee how bout dat" - does that clear things up

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

What does that actually mean?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Im basing this answer on the 3min clip i watched. She doesnt appear to be in any distress. Her answers are completly relevant to the questions asked. Shes obviously very ill. I can see no reason why it shouldnt be aired. One question though you say you no nothing about mental illness but mentioned paranoid scitzophrenia. Was there a reason for that or did you just pick an illness out of thin air

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over a year ago

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

How did he balls the thread up? He gave the information that he had and asked a question about it. I answered on the information I had. If I get new info then I may revise my answer or change my mind completely. It isn't a test. We're allowed to change our minds when having a discussion. Maybe I'm wrong.

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over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

I thought she was saying something about people watching and following her at one point but i could be wrong, everything she said has sort of blended into one in my memory.

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"What does that actually mean? "

It's trailer park talk for "do you want a fight?"

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"did or does shelly duvall have capacity? from the information given so far, the supposition that she hadn't or hasn't capacity would be an presumption rather than an assumption"

That is the issue really, many people think she didn't. It's possible that sometimes she does and sometimes she doesn't.

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Thank you! It is a subject where I'm aware of my own ignorance and I feel uncomfortable making a claim like "she consented to the interview to get help". I still wouldn't make that statement now.

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over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

I thought she was saying something about people watching and following her at one point but i could be wrong, everything she said has sort of blended into one in my memory. "
so do you think she had "completly" lost touch with reality. I didnt

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Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

I thought she was saying something about people watching and following her at one point but i could be wrong, everything she said has sort of blended into one in my memory. so do you think she had "completly" lost touch with reality. I didnt"

I don't want to go into too much detail because it would seem like mockery. But generally I felt that he asked questions and she went on irrelevant tangents and said things that i very much doubt she would normally believe, for example when she was filming the shining. So I'm deducing from that, that since the peak of her career, she has developed a mental illness and that is what is responsible for the things she was saying, as opposed to a person who just believes in things that the vast majority of people would consider impossible. That's totally my opinion and not an especially informed one.

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"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Thank you! It is a subject where I'm aware of my own ignorance and I feel uncomfortable making a claim like "she consented to the interview to get help". I still wouldn't make that statement now. "

People seem to get shut down for asking questions. If we don't ask questions how can we learn. If people are afraid to ask questions in case of being hounded/ taken the piss out of then life would be crap.

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over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

And you dont have to pussyfoot around say it how it is.

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Thank you! It is a subject where I'm aware of my own ignorance and I feel uncomfortable making a claim like "she consented to the interview to get help". I still wouldn't make that statement now.

It's like our discussion on incels. At first I thought, "oh here's a bunch of unattractive guys who are angry at the world and are taking the easy way out" and upon closer inspection I found that 71% had a mental illness and most weren't physically that unattractive. So my previous ideas that they just need to be told to go on a self help course about how to approach women, wouldn't work because they are unable to perceive the world as we do, at least without medical help.

This case is similar, in that if you'd told me 5 years ago that some famous actress was saying Robin Williams wasn't dead, i would have rolled my eyes and written her off as stupid. This interview helped me to see mental illness for what it is, and it wasn't funny in the slightest and she's not stupid. Hence I want to educate myself on the subject.

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"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Thank you! It is a subject where I'm aware of my own ignorance and I feel uncomfortable making a claim like "she consented to the interview to get help". I still wouldn't make that statement now.

That all makes sense to me.

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Dr Phil: "how do you feel health wise now?"

Shelley: "healthwise, i need to get the Bermuda triangle off me, because i don't want a hairy chest. Potter

or otherwise. I'm not a chia pet".

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over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Dr Phil: "how do you feel health wise now?"

Shelley: "healthwise, i need to get the Bermuda triangle off me, because i don't want a hairy chest. Potter

or otherwise. I'm not a chia pet". "
she repeated back the question. Sshe knew what she was answering her answer may have been bizarre but she knew what she was answering

Have you got the sleep question there as that makes more sense

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Basingstoke

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Dr Phil: "how do you feel health wise now?"

Shelley: "healthwise, i need to get the Bermuda triangle off me, because i don't want a hairy chest. Potter

or otherwise. I'm not a chia pet". she repeated back the question. Sshe knew what she was answering her answer may have been bizarre but she knew what she was answering

Have you got the sleep question there as that makes more sense"

But you rip into me because i should have know she wants help, but she hardly displayed an awareness of it when specifically asked about her health.

I did pick up on the sleep issue, I know that sleep issues are heavily linked to mental illness and since that's an issue of neurobiology then I'm a lot more comfortable with that subject!

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little house on the praire

"Ok. Im going to ignore the fact you ballesd the thread up.

Dr Phil: "how do you feel health wise now?"

Shelley: "healthwise, i need to get the Bermuda triangle off me, because i don't want a hairy chest. Potter

or otherwise. I'm not a chia pet". she repeated back the question. Sshe knew what she was answering her answer may have been bizarre but she knew what she was answering

Have you got the sleep question there as that makes more sense

But you rip into me because i should have know she wants help, but she hardly displayed an awareness of it when specifically asked about her health.

I did pick up on the sleep issue, I know that sleep issues are heavily linked to mental illness and since that's an issue of neurobiology then I'm a lot more comfortable with that subject! "
would you like to discuss why i havent slept since friday then only kidding.

What i dont understand is why she hasnt been getting help. She obviously has friends family publisists ect. Why arnt they getting her help. Does she have money? Why doesnt she check herself into a clinic. I have absolutly no idea about mental health in america but if she was over here she would probably be looking at a section

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

I did pick up on the sleep issue, I know that sleep issues are heavily linked to mental illness and since that's an issue of neurobiology then I'm a lot more comfortable with that subject! would you like to discuss why i havent slept since friday then only kidding.

Good question, my guess would be that couldn't afford it.

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Just YouTube's the full 14 minute interview. I'd never heard of Dr Phil and knew very little about Shelley Duvall.

The interview is incredibly hard to listen to, heartbreaking understanding her confusion.

As a schizophrenic I'd certainly not want any of my episodes shared publicly and have to wonder, as have others, just how capable of consent she was when choosing to share it?

Yes it has opened discussion on mental health issues but given how every individuals psychosis differs I fail to see how useful it is?

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Just YouTube's the full 14 minute interview. I'd never heard of Dr Phil and knew very little about Shelley Duvall.

The interview is incredibly hard to listen to, heartbreaking understanding her confusion.

As a schizophrenic I'd certainly not want any of my episodes shared publicly and have to wonder, as have others, just how capable of consent she was when choosing to share it?

Yes it has opened discussion on mental health issues but given how every individuals psychosis differs I fail to see how useful it is?

I found it useful as a reference point of the distinction between someone with a mental illness and someone who is just weird.

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over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

"Just YouTube's the full 14 minute interview. I'd never heard of Dr Phil and knew very little about Shelley Duvall.

The interview is incredibly hard to listen to, heartbreaking understanding her confusion.

As a schizophrenic I'd certainly not want any of my episodes shared publicly and have to wonder, as have others, just how capable of consent she was when choosing to share it?

Yes it has opened discussion on mental health issues but given how every individuals psychosis differs I fail to see how useful it is?

I found it useful as a reference point of the distinction between someone with a mental illness and someone who is just weird. "

I'm not even sure it provides an accurate reference point for that? Again, psychosis can present in such varied ways, there really is no way of knowing unless you are able to know the person in both times of stability and pschosis and can make the comparison.

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Basingstoke

"Just YouTube's the full 14 minute interview. I'd never heard of Dr Phil and knew very little about Shelley Duvall.

The interview is incredibly hard to listen to, heartbreaking understanding her confusion.

As a schizophrenic I'd certainly not want any of my episodes shared publicly and have to wonder, as have others, just how capable of consent she was when choosing to share it?

Yes it has opened discussion on mental health issues but given how every individuals psychosis differs I fail to see how useful it is?

I found it useful as a reference point of the distinction between someone with a mental illness and someone who is just weird.

I'd agree if we were trying to do some sort of scientific analysis. But I've gone from having no real reference points, to 1. It's not perfect, it's better than where i was at a few days ago. It's making me wonder about some of the language i use mockingly and whether some of the people I've used as the butt of jokes, might just be mentally ill (e.g. David Icke).

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