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"If you're using your experience to coach strategy teamwork game play etc not too much of a problem. If you're going to get involved in the exercise side of coaching I'd strongly advice getting a recognised coaching qualification. We no so much more about exercise, what's good practice, what's bad has changed a hell of a lot in the last 20 years. Look up Tony Gummerson, his books on coaching kids are really good. He was the athletics coach for the British Olympic squad a few years ago. Was also my coaching coach when I did my own studying/training. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat more." Definitely agree on the exercise. I had an unqualified coach in basically all aspects but he was a good motivator and was a good volunteer but he absolutely beasted us in training. Carrying people on our backs and sprinting the field with them etc.... That's not how you train 13yr olds ha. | |||
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"If you're using your experience to coach strategy teamwork game play etc not too much of a problem. If you're going to get involved in the exercise side of coaching I'd strongly advice getting a recognised coaching qualification. We no so much more about exercise, what's good practice, what's bad has changed a hell of a lot in the last 20 years. Look up Tony Gummerson, his books on coaching kids are really good. He was the athletics coach for the British Olympic squad a few years ago. Was also my coaching coach when I did my own studying/training. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat more. Definitely agree on the exercise. I had an unqualified coach in basically all aspects but he was a good motivator and was a good volunteer but he absolutely beasted us in training. Carrying people on our backs and sprinting the field with them etc.... That's not how you train 13yr olds ha. " Indeed..... Even simple things like boys and girls doing press ups differently. The damage girls doing press ups wrongly can do is dreadful. I could share some horror story's of coaching excersises that have gone wrong....... Stretching is where we've made the greatest advances. I've seen so many coaches saying "what's wrong, we've been doing it like this for years" as they tear people's hips apart or pull their joints out of sockets. Erosion of growth plates can cause so much long term damage and yet it's so easily avoided. | |||
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"I have no experience of coaching but agree with what you say about focusing too much on the rules. Depends on the players. Some want to just have fun and piss about and some are more competitive. Could you cope with groups of both types?" I think you have to with youth sport. Assuming you start at a club then you're not going to get 15 hyper competitive kids at a club. Maybe you do if you coach a county or higher, but I'm trying to nudge them in the right direction rather than project my goals onto them. | |||
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"I work in rugby ... just pick the club carefully and the age group you're coaching. " Does that imply you know of some bad experiences with the 'wrong type of club? | |||
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"I work in rugby ... just pick the club carefully and the age group you're coaching. Does that imply you know of some bad experiences with the 'wrong type of club? " It's about what you want out of It, if it's kids having fun then a smaller less competitive club and younger or if it's about competition then bigger more competitive clubs and older children. Youths today are dreadfully uncompetitive and need loads of encouragement and motivation. I'm actually a sports physioterrorist and treat paediatrics so would recommend good qualifications and knowledge of youth fitness ... will make all the difference in the end | |||
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"If you're using your experience to coach strategy teamwork game play etc not too much of a problem. If you're going to get involved in the exercise side of coaching I'd strongly advice getting a recognised coaching qualification. We no so much more about exercise, what's good practice, what's bad has changed a hell of a lot in the last 20 years. Look up Tony Gummerson, his books on coaching kids are really good. He was the athletics coach for the British Olympic squad a few years ago. Was also my coaching coach when I did my own studying/training. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat more." Thanks, just bought one of his books on Amazon after your recommendation | |||
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"There’s a good book on Junior Football Coaching called ‘You win nothing with kids’ - it explores the issues you are taking about. Age specific coaching seems to work well. Using the understanding of child development psychology coaching practice has evolved through the development of age appropriate exercises and games, with simplified rules that enable an age appropriate structure for the learning. I am aware how that works in football but no idea about Rugby. However our local club seems to do it very well from 5 onwards. The football coaching starts at 18 months." Thanks, I'll order the book anyway. I guess the principles of age appropriate coaching applying to both | |||
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"I work in rugby ... just pick the club carefully and the age group you're coaching. Does that imply you know of some bad experiences with the 'wrong type of club? It's about what you want out of It, if it's kids having fun then a smaller less competitive club and younger or if it's about competition then bigger more competitive clubs and older children. Youths today are dreadfully uncompetitive and need loads of encouragement and motivation. I'm actually a sports physioterrorist and treat paediatrics so would recommend good qualifications and knowledge of youth fitness ... will make all the difference in the end " Rugby academies start at 13 so I'd like to coach pre-13. Then the most competitive kids will move to an academy after. | |||
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"There’s a good book on Junior Football Coaching called ‘You win nothing with kids’ - it explores the issues you are taking about. Age specific coaching seems to work well. Using the understanding of child development psychology coaching practice has evolved through the development of age appropriate exercises and games, with simplified rules that enable an age appropriate structure for the learning. I am aware how that works in football but no idea about Rugby. However our local club seems to do it very well from 5 onwards. The football coaching starts at 18 months. Thanks, I'll order the book anyway. I guess the principles of age appropriate coaching applying to both " I would think so- the FA qualifications now enable coaches to develop along those lines now, but don’t know about the pathways in Rugby. | |||
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"I've coached sport on/off for 20+ years now. Still coach adults and juniors. Youngest is about 13 and oldest is 60+. Feel free to ask me any questions BB. My best advice is make it fun and they will succeed and so will you. These days I find myself as a psychologist as much as a coach. There's so much more to being a coach whereas it never used to be this way." Do you see any general differences in the interests of the 13 year old players and say, those in their 20's? | |||
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"I work in rugby ... just pick the club carefully and the age group you're coaching. Does that imply you know of some bad experiences with the 'wrong type of club? It's about what you want out of It, if it's kids having fun then a smaller less competitive club and younger or if it's about competition then bigger more competitive clubs and older children. Youths today are dreadfully uncompetitive and need loads of encouragement and motivation. I'm actually a sports physioterrorist and treat paediatrics so would recommend good qualifications and knowledge of youth fitness ... will make all the difference in the end Rugby academies start at 13 so I'd like to coach pre-13. Then the most competitive kids will move to an academy after. " Academies  | |||
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"I've coached sport on/off for 20+ years now. Still coach adults and juniors. Youngest is about 13 and oldest is 60+. Feel free to ask me any questions BB. My best advice is make it fun and they will succeed and so will you. These days I find myself as a psychologist as much as a coach. There's so much more to being a coach whereas it never used to be this way. Do you see any general differences in the interests of the 13 year old players and say, those in their 20's? " Youngsters don't tend to come to me with 'How do I do this one specific thing' where as their parents will ask me and the 20s lot always will. Youngsters don't tend to ask why we are doing this or that they just want to skip the cones and go straight to the end of session game. Teens just want to be with their mates and at times I feel I'm running a creche and they are wasting my time, their time, parents time and parents money. I only coach females and fuck me I've never known moaning like it. Males were so much easier. I'm coaching on egg shells. I rarely upset anyone but they do that to themselves. | |||
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"If you're using your experience to coach strategy teamwork game play etc not too much of a problem. If you're going to get involved in the exercise side of coaching I'd strongly advice getting a recognised coaching qualification. We no so much more about exercise, what's good practice, what's bad has changed a hell of a lot in the last 20 years. Look up Tony Gummerson, his books on coaching kids are really good. He was the athletics coach for the British Olympic squad a few years ago. Was also my coaching coach when I did my own studying/training. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat more. Thanks, just bought one of his books on Amazon after your recommendation" My pleasure. Glad to have helped.  | |||
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"I wondered if any fabbers had any personal experience of coaching youth sport that they could share with the forum? It's something I want to get into in future so I've been reading up on it and reflecting on my experience as a youth player of rugby. He jist of the advice seems to be that adults tend to want to coach for results, whilst kids tend to want to play for fun and there can be a conflict. I don't think fun and results are mutually exclusive but that resenated with me because i remember being distinctively less interested the more our coach's tried to introduce tactics in how we played. Upon reflection, the tactics themselves were not especially good, nor were they explained well. But in truth, I doubt I would have been very interested in them even if they were. Basically i wasn't interested in anything that made me do less of what i liked (tackling people) and more of what i didn't (standing in the 'correct' position for a pass that was frankly never coming because someone would drop the ball before it got to me). Unfortunately, that meant I never really achieved my goals within the sport as my skill level hit a plateau because others started playing tactically and I basically ran around doing whatever I felt like. " I used to coach youth sports I even won an award from youth sport trust! There's loads of things you can do depending on sport and level the sports being played at. For example for p.e lessons in primary schools i would take the principles I'm trying to teach for say tag rugby and then put them with a popular theme like Lord of the rings and make a game o it of it... It's so much easier to explain by voice than text hahaha feel free to send me a mail and I can send you some stuff I got quite a bit | |||
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"I've coached sport on/off for 20+ years now. Still coach adults and juniors. Youngest is about 13 and oldest is 60+. Feel free to ask me any questions BB. My best advice is make it fun and they will succeed and so will you. These days I find myself as a psychologist as much as a coach. There's so much more to being a coach whereas it never used to be this way. Do you see any general differences in the interests of the 13 year old players and say, those in their 20's? Youngsters don't tend to come to me with 'How do I do this one specific thing' where as their parents will ask me and the 20s lot always will. Youngsters don't tend to ask why we are doing this or that they just want to skip the cones and go straight to the end of session game. " Yup, I was definately like that at 13! " Teens just want to be with their mates and at times I feel I'm running a creche and they are wasting my time, their time, parents time and parents money. I only coach females and fuck me I've never known moaning like it. Males were so much easier. I'm coaching on egg shells. I rarely upset anyone but they do that to themselves." | |||
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"I wondered if any fabbers had any personal experience of coaching youth sport that they could share with the forum? It's something I want to get into in future so I've been reading up on it and reflecting on my experience as a youth player of rugby. He jist of the advice seems to be that adults tend to want to coach for results, whilst kids tend to want to play for fun and there can be a conflict. I don't think fun and results are mutually exclusive but that resenated with me because i remember being distinctively less interested the more our coach's tried to introduce tactics in how we played. Upon reflection, the tactics themselves were not especially good, nor were they explained well. But in truth, I doubt I would have been very interested in them even if they were. Basically i wasn't interested in anything that made me do less of what i liked (tackling people) and more of what i didn't (standing in the 'correct' position for a pass that was frankly never coming because someone would drop the ball before it got to me). Unfortunately, that meant I never really achieved my goals within the sport as my skill level hit a plateau because others started playing tactically and I basically ran around doing whatever I felt like. I used to coach youth sports I even won an award from youth sport trust! There's loads of things you can do depending on sport and level the sports being played at. For example for p.e lessons in primary schools i would take the principles I'm trying to teach for say tag rugby and then put them with a popular theme like Lord of the rings and make a game o it of it... It's so much easier to explain by voice than text hahaha feel free to send me a mail and I can send you some stuff I got quite a bit " Yeah i read something like that, when you start with 7 years olds in rugby they recommended playinh pirates as a good way to teach dodging | |||
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"Have coached to a high standard in Cricket for many years. You have to have qualifications to be allowed near kids. Plus a CRB check, they didn’t exist when I started but they are essential now. Interesting to read the comments about sports psychology, I don’t have qualifications in that but I find that is certainly what coaching is about in older age groups. I’m considered a Mentor by most now rather than coach , and I’ve done this in Sri Lanka , Australia and New Zealand. Video analysis is big now even at junior level and technology is getting even more complex. Depends on what you want to do. I started coaching 10 year olds and kept pretty much the same group together for 7 or 8 years and into senior levels. 5 of them became full time professionals. You won’t walk into a top role from zero. Start at a local club and learn its ethos. Are they an elite club or a grass roots community club. It all makes a difference Definitely do it though. It’s very rewarding " Video analysis is something i would have loved from age ~14 onwards. I had it at university and it really helped. People get funny about filming kids, I guess really young ones won't benefit from it but i think after about 11 they do. | |||
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"I wondered if any fabbers had any personal experience of coaching youth sport that they could share with the forum? It's something I want to get into in future so I've been reading up on it and reflecting on my experience as a youth player of rugby. He jist of the advice seems to be that adults tend to want to coach for results, whilst kids tend to want to play for fun and there can be a conflict. I don't think fun and results are mutually exclusive but that resenated with me because i remember being distinctively less interested the more our coach's tried to introduce tactics in how we played. Upon reflection, the tactics themselves were not especially good, nor were they explained well. But in truth, I doubt I would have been very interested in them even if they were. Basically i wasn't interested in anything that made me do less of what i liked (tackling people) and more of what i didn't (standing in the 'correct' position for a pass that was frankly never coming because someone would drop the ball before it got to me). Unfortunately, that meant I never really achieved my goals within the sport as my skill level hit a plateau because others started playing tactically and I basically ran around doing whatever I felt like. " I’m a level 2 Netball coach and I coach grassroots through to Adults at school, local, club and regional level.. In my experience, kids that don’t want to improve or engage just won’t, no matter how you try and take a session.. It’s a tricky one but if it interests you do it! There’s bursary’s available | |||
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"I wondered if any fabbers had any personal experience of coaching youth sport that they could share with the forum? It's something I want to get into in future so I've been reading up on it and reflecting on my experience as a youth player of rugby. He jist of the advice seems to be that adults tend to want to coach for results, whilst kids tend to want to play for fun and there can be a conflict. I don't think fun and results are mutually exclusive but that resenated with me because i remember being distinctively less interested the more our coach's tried to introduce tactics in how we played. Upon reflection, the tactics themselves were not especially good, nor were they explained well. But in truth, I doubt I would have been very interested in them even if they were. Basically i wasn't interested in anything that made me do less of what i liked (tackling people) and more of what i didn't (standing in the 'correct' position for a pass that was frankly never coming because someone would drop the ball before it got to me). Unfortunately, that meant I never really achieved my goals within the sport as my skill level hit a plateau because others started playing tactically and I basically ran around doing whatever I felt like. " I've coached and it was extremely rewarding, just be careful as turning to a site like this for advice on teaching youngsters can easily be taken the wrong way. Creepy etc | |||
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"Unfortunately, In this country especially. Kids just don’t start competitive sport early enough in schools and it makes catch up against the rest of the world tricky.. " That's true, when you look at the elite level individual sports, a massive proportion of them were trained by their parents from ~4 years old! In this country that parent would be called a pushy parent and accused of re-living their childhood dreams through their kids. | |||
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"If it's rugby then as said, choose your level. There's a big difference between teaching the basics to 7 and 8 year olds to coaching the U18s. Each level has its own rewards and trials. But when that one kid that had their first ever rugby session with you pulls on the national jersey, you feel a wee bit special. "To be honest, my main interest is to coach a team with my own kids in so I'd go up the ages with them! | |||
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"If it's rugby then as said, choose your level. There's a big difference between teaching the basics to 7 and 8 year olds to coaching the U18s. Each level has its own rewards and trials. But when that one kid that had their first ever rugby session with you pulls on the national jersey, you feel a wee bit special.
To be honest, my main interest is to coach a team with my own kids in so I'd go up the ages with them!"That’s what I did. It was a real leadership challenge for me but ever so rewarding. There were many highs and lows but my son looks back on that time very fondly and still loves football playing to a decent standard at Uni | |||
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"Unfortunately, In this country especially. Kids just don’t start competitive sport early enough in schools and it makes catch up against the rest of the world tricky.. That's true, when you look at the elite level individual sports, a massive proportion of them were trained by their parents from ~4 years old! In this country that parent would be called a pushy parent and accused of re-living their childhood dreams through their kids." Have a look at how it works in New Zealand - there is a great article from a few years ago that looks at how they build their player base from a young age. They have no set pieces before the age of 11 and the focus before then is making sure kids are comfortable with the basic skills. Catching, passing, no kicking etc. It’s all about being comfortable with the ball in hand. The article is called ‘The making of an All Black: how New Zealand sustains its rugby dynasty’ - there is a fair amount of filler in there but some interesting ways of holding kids interest. | |||
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"If it's rugby then as said, choose your level. There's a big difference between teaching the basics to 7 and 8 year olds to coaching the U18s. Each level has its own rewards and trials. But when that one kid that had their first ever rugby session with you pulls on the national jersey, you feel a wee bit special.
To be honest, my main interest is to coach a team with my own kids in so I'd go up the ages with them!
That’s what I did. It was a real leadership challenge for me but ever so rewarding. There were many highs and lows but my son looks back on that time very fondly and still loves football playing to a decent standard at Uni"Exactly. Elite level doesn't really kick in until 13 in rugby so until then I'd like to be their coach and then they can decide if they want to join an academy and have the fun sucked out of it or not | |||
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"If it's rugby then as said, choose your level. There's a big difference between teaching the basics to 7 and 8 year olds to coaching the U18s. Each level has its own rewards and trials. But when that one kid that had their first ever rugby session with you pulls on the national jersey, you feel a wee bit special.
To be honest, my main interest is to coach a team with my own kids in so I'd go up the ages with them!"That's a really common pathway. And how I've gone up through the stages. Kids all adults now so no longer coaching but still occasionally help out providing opposition, holding tackle bags etc during training at their training sessions! | |||
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"Something else to think about if you're going to be coaching children, you'll need to be CRB/DBS checked and "certificated". I believe CRB is a legal requirement now......" Not a problem for me. | |||
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"Something else to think about if you're going to be coaching children, you'll need to be CRB/DBS checked and "certificated". I believe CRB is a legal requirement now...... Not a problem for me. "   | |||
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"You don't have to have certificates to say you can coach. I stopped with that when a Level 1 in one sport ment you were a level 1 in other sports. What a joke. " That's because the qualification is in the exercise element of the sport, not the sporting activity itself. The qualification doesn't suggest a football coach can teach javelin. But he can put a safe exercise regime together for both activities. | |||
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"You don't have to have certificates to say you can coach. I stopped with that when a Level 1 in one sport ment you were a level 1 in other sports. What a joke. That's because the qualification is in the exercise element of the sport, not the sporting activity itself. The qualification doesn't suggest a football coach can teach javelin. But he can put a safe exercise regime together for both activities." It's not like it anymore but was | |||
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"You don't have to have certificates to say you can coach. I stopped with that when a Level 1 in one sport ment you were a level 1 in other sports. What a joke. That's because the qualification is in the exercise element of the sport, not the sporting activity itself. The qualification doesn't suggest a football coach can teach javelin. But he can put a safe exercise regime together for both activities. It's not like it anymore but was" Not when I did mine it wasn't. It was never supposed to be. People misinterpreted it like that, but an ounce of common sense would suggest that would never work. Didn't stop the dafties arguing about it, despite all the information, courses and bodies like BISC explaining it in great detail. | |||
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"A Your there to develop the game as much as get results. " I've been on both ends of it so I could make the case both ways, but I'll wait to see if anyone says B before declaring my hand | |||
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"Here's one scenario I've been thinking about that I'd welcome opinions on... You coach 14 years olds playing rugby. You have 15 key players who are the best by far and 5 that are so-so and usually play half a game. You're playing a close game and it's 10-10 at half time. You don't make any substitutions at half time because you want to be ahead before you give the weaker players game time. With 20 minutes to go, it's still 10-10. Would you: A) Bring on the weaker players and risk losing the game? Or B) leave the best players on and risk demoralizing the substitutes who might stop turning up? " Start with 3 of them mixed in and bring the others on gradually. Even in adult rugby a good coach should never reveal the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ players, good teams work best with a mixture of abilities all playing together. Only this way does the team evolve and improve. | |||
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"I don't care how good you are if you don't train you don't play. That comes into it as well. It's not fair on the others who do train. Okay if you have an excuse but if your a champions league midweek offender, have a sit down on Saturday. It helps that in our sport we have rolling subs." I agree in principle but there's a fundamental drawback whereby most kids want game time. You're limited how much game time you can provide so it seems inevitable that your attendance at training will be broadly proportional to the game time dished out. This means that some players aren't going to be highly motivated to train as they typically get half to a quarter of a game. But if you don't have them then you'll suffer when you have illness, injury and absence from your core team | |||
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"Here's one scenario I've been thinking about that I'd welcome opinions on... You coach 14 years olds playing rugby. You have 15 key players who are the best by far and 5 that are so-so and usually play half a game. You're playing a close game and it's 10-10 at half time. You don't make any substitutions at half time because you want to be ahead before you give the weaker players game time. With 20 minutes to go, it's still 10-10. Would you: A) Bring on the weaker players and risk losing the game? Or B) leave the best players on and risk demoralizing the substitutes who might stop turning up? Start with 3 of them mixed in and bring the others on gradually. Even in adult rugby a good coach should never reveal the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ players, good teams work best with a mixture of abilities all playing together. Only this way does the team evolve and improve." Totally agree. If you don't have cover for injury, illness and abscence then you're fucked | |||
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"Here's one scenario I've been thinking about that I'd welcome opinions on... You coach 14 years olds playing rugby. You have 15 key players who are the best by far and 5 that are so-so and usually play half a game. You're playing a close game and it's 10-10 at half time. You don't make any substitutions at half time because you want to be ahead before you give the weaker players game time. With 20 minutes to go, it's still 10-10. Would you: A) Bring on the weaker players and risk losing the game? Or B) leave the best players on and risk demoralizing the substitutes who might stop turning up? " C. start with 12 or 13 key players and 3 or 2 so-so Then as game progresses you can sub out the so-so either for key players or more so-so ones depending on score line. Rely on the fresh legs of the key players to work as impact players. | |||
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"Here's one scenario I've been thinking about that I'd welcome opinions on... You coach 14 years olds playing rugby. You have 15 key players who are the best by far and 5 that are so-so and usually play half a game. You're playing a close game and it's 10-10 at half time. You don't make any substitutions at half time because you want to be ahead before you give the weaker players game time. With 20 minutes to go, it's still 10-10. Would you: A) Bring on the weaker players and risk losing the game? Or B) leave the best players on and risk demoralizing the substitutes who might stop turning up? C. start with 12 or 13 key players and 3 or 2 so-so Then as game progresses you can sub out the so-so either for key players or more so-so ones depending on score line. Rely on the fresh legs of the key players to work as impact players. " I get your logic. Every coach I've ever played for has always insisted on starting with their best 15. Their logic is that it's easier to control the game once you are in the lead. Even if i was leaving the weakest players on the bench, I'd still try and sell it to them as "Impact players", kids are pretty unassuming | |||
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"Here's one scenario I've been thinking about that I'd welcome opinions on... You coach 14 years olds playing rugby. You have 15 key players who are the best by far and 5 that are so-so and usually play half a game. You're playing a close game and it's 10-10 at half time. You don't make any substitutions at half time because you want to be ahead before you give the weaker players game time. With 20 minutes to go, it's still 10-10. Would you: A) Bring on the weaker players and risk losing the game? Or B) leave the best players on and risk demoralizing the substitutes who might stop turning up? C. start with 12 or 13 key players and 3 or 2 so-so Then as game progresses you can sub out the so-so either for key players or more so-so ones depending on score line. Rely on the fresh legs of the key players to work as impact players. I get your logic. Every coach I've ever played for has always insisted on starting with their best 15. Their logic is that it's easier to control the game once you are in the lead. Even if i was leaving the weakest players on the bench, I'd still try and sell it to them as "Impact players", kids are pretty unassuming "The only flaw in the "start with your best get in front and manage the game" strategy; what if your best team are on the pitch and you're behind? You can't bring on impact players to change the game back in your favour........ | |||
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"I coach junior rugby league, they gradually introduce the full game to the kids, Under 7s 8s 9s is 6 a side, no knock one scrums, each team gets 6 tackles and everyone has to get a run and then the ball is handed over, a d every game is non competative so no scores, (although the kids always know) they change the rules at 10s and by under 12s you are playing full rules, so it really is all about fun and enjoyment" Yeah rugby union is similar. It's totally about fun at least until age 11 and then it gets sort of serious | |||
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