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"Now to become a hate crime x" Not sure what of make of that | |||
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"Jesus it gets worse. It's hardly a hate crime people need to stop throwing their dummys out the pram. I act like a snooty bitch and ignore would whistles but inwardly I'm smiling " So whilst you disagree you agree .. Sort of lol | |||
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"Do people still wolf whistle. It's been a while ![]() No. They don't want to get arrested. And, it's a but 1970s. | |||
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"Do people still wolf whistle. It's been a while ![]() I think the 1970s was the last time anyone wolf whistled at me. | |||
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"Wolf whistling is considered a hate incident rather than a crime apparently. Also included in the discussion are verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches, harassment in the street, sending texts without consent or sending unwanted text messages. " If you've never seen the triangle diagram about sexual conduct where small behaviours that objectify and dehumanise can lead to other more serious ones becoming commonplace/acceptable. That's why there's a change in the law to try to encourage change at all levels in attitude/behaviour. | |||
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"It’s not quite so much fun when you’re a 15 year old girl and a group of builders aged approx 20-55 start whistling and staring as you walk past. Then it all becomes a little bit uncomfortable and quite unpleasant and lecherous ..... just saying it’s all about context ![]() ![]() | |||
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"That's funny: I got my first ever last night waiting for a train. And it did make me feel very uncomfortable. Kind of a low, gentle one so that only I could hear. May have had something to do with it coming from a bloke. And a bloke who appeared both randy, and just..very seedy. Why he couldn't have just said heelo I don't know. I did say to him that back in the day they used to be a lot more..piercing. I did think it was out of order before it happened to me, but at least I now know how menacing it can feel as well. " Not good he did that but good you can appreciate how it can feel from odd people. | |||
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"Wolf whistling is considered a hate incident rather than a crime apparently. Also included in the discussion are verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches, harassment in the street, sending texts without consent or sending unwanted text messages. If you've never seen the triangle diagram about sexual conduct where small behaviours that objectify and dehumanise can lead to other more serious ones becoming commonplace/acceptable. That's why there's a change in the law to try to encourage change at all levels in attitude/behaviour. " I don't disagree with it becoming a hate incident connected with misogyny. I was just pointing out that the discussion is around more than just wolf whistling and that the intention isn't to make it a crime as such. | |||
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"Jesus it gets worse. It's hardly a hate crime people need to stop throwing their dummys out the pram. I act like a snooty bitch and ignore would whistles but inwardly I'm smiling " well said | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x" denigrate English national football and it's footballers......go on I dare you ![]() | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x" Ha hey that made me laugh can't think how their could be any truth in it but who knows in this F@#ked up world ![]() | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x" What about driving past you shouting 'I wouldn't mind a bit of that' out of their van window! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x What about driving past you shouting 'I wouldn't mind a bit of that' out of their van window! ![]() ![]() you want to be shouted at? ![]() | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x What about driving past you shouting 'I wouldn't mind a bit of that' out of their van window! ![]() ![]() ![]() No ..that's what i get shouted at me..and other variations ![]() | |||
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"Now to become a hate crime x What about driving past you shouting 'I wouldn't mind a bit of that' out of their van window! ![]() ![]() . I clearly meant the ice cream you were eating ![]() | |||
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"Walked the other evening from the gym in skimpy shorts and cami top past 5 guys repairing the road. All 5 stopped what they were doing and followed me with their eyes. Not a single wolf whistle ![]() ![]() ![]() Probably walked through their road repair | |||
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"It’s about dehumanisation and unwanted sexualisation. One person has no right to sexualise you without your consent or to make sexual demands of you without your agreement. Whilst I’m aware that some people on here may enjoy that aspect, others certainly don’t. There are times and places for that thing and someone out walking or going about their day certainly isn’t either of those. It’s about respect and recognition for the other person. It’s not a ‘compliment’ as some would say, what it says is ‘I don’t care about you as a person, objectively and irrespective of how you feel about it, I want to sexualise you right now.’ Personally I find that very very wrong. " What like ' your cock looks good ' or ' I like str8 guys ' mince this way ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I have a theory watching demolition man there will be no touching no looking and anything sexual will be interactive looks like we are heading that way x" Really? I think it’s just about respecting another persons ability to wear what they want and do what they want without imposing your desires on them. *shrugs* perhaps I’m just weird. | |||
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"It’s about dehumanisation and unwanted sexualisation. One person has no right to sexualise you without your consent or to make sexual demands of you without your agreement. Whilst I’m aware that some people on here may enjoy that aspect, others certainly don’t. There are times and places for that thing and someone out walking or going about their day certainly isn’t either of those. It’s about respect and recognition for the other person. It’s not a ‘compliment’ as some would say, what it says is ‘I don’t care about you as a person, objectively and irrespective of how you feel about it, I want to sexualise you right now.’ Personally I find that very very wrong. " ![]() | |||
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"It’s about dehumanisation and unwanted sexualisation. One person has no right to sexualise you without your consent or to make sexual demands of you without your agreement. Whilst I’m aware that some people on here may enjoy that aspect, others certainly don’t. There are times and places for that thing and someone out walking or going about their day certainly isn’t either of those. It’s about respect and recognition for the other person. It’s not a ‘compliment’ as some would say, what it says is ‘I don’t care about you as a person, objectively and irrespective of how you feel about it, I want to sexualise you right now.’ Personally I find that very very wrong. " Yes! You've put it so well | |||
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"It’s about dehumanisation and unwanted sexualisation. One person has no right to sexualise you without your consent or to make sexual demands of you without your agreement. Whilst I’m aware that some people on here may enjoy that aspect, others certainly don’t. There are times and places for that thing and someone out walking or going about their day certainly isn’t either of those. It’s about respect and recognition for the other person. It’s not a ‘compliment’ as some would say, what it says is ‘I don’t care about you as a person, objectively and irrespective of how you feel about it, I want to sexualise you right now.’ Personally I find that very very wrong. " Genuine question here. What if a guy approaches me in a bar and starts to chat me up? Say, for arguments sake, that I'm there with my girlfriends for a night out and not looking to be "picked up". Shouldn't that be classed the same? He's seen me, thought "fancy a bit of that" and approaches me. Isn't he sexualising me? Should I report him to the police for a hate incident? | |||
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"Wolf whistling is considered a hate incident rather than a crime apparently. Also included in the discussion are verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches, harassment in the street, sending texts without consent or sending unwanted text messages. If you've never seen the triangle diagram about sexual conduct where small behaviours that objectify and dehumanise can lead to other more serious ones becoming commonplace/acceptable. That's why there's a change in the law to try to encourage change at all levels in attitude/behaviour. " Well fuck if they put it in a triangle it must be true ![]() | |||
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"whistles are ok , but it varies in different parts of the country , up north builders up on the scaffolding shouting " show us your tits is ok " but when i lived in LUTON , you could not shout " show us your face !!!" ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth?" Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth? Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. " . I saw a Facebook post awhile back about racists cops in America!, fair play I thought, there's plenty out there so I'll have a read and a watch. Basically black woman stopped by racist cop for speeding just a tad, she's in tears live Facebooking the whole drama (while driving ![]() | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth? Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. . I saw a Facebook post awhile back about racists cops in America!, fair play I thought, there's plenty out there so I'll have a read and a watch. Basically black woman stopped by racist cop for speeding just a tad, she's in tears live Facebooking the whole drama (while driving ![]() Media will supply what people will buy, like, share and click on. As long as a big enough mass of people accept grand narratives without question, then that's what the media will generate. | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth? Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. . I saw a Facebook post awhile back about racists cops in America!, fair play I thought, there's plenty out there so I'll have a read and a watch. Basically black woman stopped by racist cop for speeding just a tad, she's in tears live Facebooking the whole drama (while driving ![]() The fact that people believe US police have a racism problem probably isn't due to a single video. It's probably more to do with all the evidence that says they treat not-white people differently. | |||
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"Wolf whistling is considered a hate incident rather than a crime apparently. Also included in the discussion are verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches, harassment in the street, sending texts without consent or sending unwanted text messages. " Yes, there's a difference between hate incidents and hate crimes. Nothing is becoming a crime that wasn't already. | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth? Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. . I saw a Facebook post awhile back about racists cops in America!, fair play I thought, there's plenty out there so I'll have a read and a watch. Basically black woman stopped by racist cop for speeding just a tad, she's in tears live Facebooking the whole drama (while driving ![]() . Well that's half the problem, you've got a few bad police officers and then you've got shit loads of egg heads making nonsense up which unfortunately the left believe every single case because they have an agenda of being dicks unlike the police that don't have an agenda but just have a few dicks | |||
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"Wouldnt say hate crime but cant fucking stand them" . I wouldn't worry yourself to much, the chances are your not going to get any. | |||
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"Wouldnt say hate crime but cant fucking stand them. I wouldn't worry yourself to much, the chances are your not going to get any. " Rude | |||
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"Wolf whistling is considered a hate incident rather than a crime apparently. Also included in the discussion are verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches, harassment in the street, sending texts without consent or sending unwanted text messages. If you've never seen the triangle diagram about sexual conduct where small behaviours that objectify and dehumanise can lead to other more serious ones becoming commonplace/acceptable. That's why there's a change in the law to try to encourage change at all levels in attitude/behaviour. " Its all getting a bit too micromanaging and controlling for my liking. ![]() | |||
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"Is this the actual version of the truth or the Daily Mail of the truth? Both. Hate crime has always been a bullshit term defined simply by whether the alledged victim perceives the alledged crime was motivated by hate. No actual proof is necessary and anyone with a basic grasp of psychology would see the flaws the idea that anyone could truly know the motivation for an individual crime. Furthermore, the police encourage people to report it but asking framing questions. This leads to massive rises in reported alledged incidents which help fuel left wing hysteria. The reality is that the police have confirmed it's just a category and not a new offence you could be prosecuted for. . I saw a Facebook post awhile back about racists cops in America!, fair play I thought, there's plenty out there so I'll have a read and a watch. Basically black woman stopped by racist cop for speeding just a tad, she's in tears live Facebooking the whole drama (while driving ![]() It's not 'a few dicks'. There is evidence, easily Google-able, that it's a far reaching issue. | |||
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"I love a wolf whistlle !! What a wonderful feeling when you are rushing around , been to the gym , hair a mess , no make up and feeling a bit shit and you get a wolf whistle ! My nan it’s when the wolf whistles stop you need to worry lol I take it as a compliment haha might make me go red but cheers me up Bloody political correctness gone mad ![]() I'm whistling now but you can't hear me damnit ![]() | |||
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"I love a wolf whistlle !! What a wonderful feeling when you are rushing around , been to the gym , hair a mess , no make up and feeling a bit shit and you get a wolf whistle ! My nan it’s when the wolf whistles stop you need to worry lol I take it as a compliment haha might make me go red but cheers me up Bloody political correctness gone mad ![]() ![]() Haha I’m listening real hard ![]() | |||
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"I love a wolf whistlle !! What a wonderful feeling when you are rushing around , been to the gym , hair a mess , no make up and feeling a bit shit and you get a wolf whistle ! My nan it’s when the wolf whistles stop you need to worry lol I take it as a compliment haha might make me go red but cheers me up Bloody political correctness gone mad ![]() ![]() ![]() whoooooohoooooo ![]() | |||
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"I love a wolf whistlle !! What a wonderful feeling when you are rushing around , been to the gym , hair a mess , no make up and feeling a bit shit and you get a wolf whistle ! My nan it’s when the wolf whistles stop you need to worry lol I take it as a compliment haha might make me go red but cheers me up Bloody political correctness gone mad ![]() ![]() ![]() Wit woooooo lol ![]() | |||
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"Walked the other evening from the gym in skimpy shorts and cami top past 5 guys repairing the road. All 5 stopped what they were doing and followed me with their eyes. Not a single wolf whistle ![]() ![]() ![]() No it's because certain women in our society have descided that it's now wrong and mysoginistic ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Walked the other evening from the gym in skimpy shorts and cami top past 5 guys repairing the road. All 5 stopped what they were doing and followed me with their eyes. Not a single wolf whistle ![]() ![]() ![]() Looking at someone should be enough to convey interest without resorting to whistling. And one can always strike up a conversation if one wants. | |||
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"I don’t find it dehumanising to be wolf whistled at (though sadly hasn’t happened to me in years). If anything I find it quite the opposite. If I’m whistled at, i see it that the man finds me sexually attractive. Now I get that some women don’t want random men expressing that publically, which is a point to be considered. But I can’t accept that I’m not be treated like a human being because a man is pubically expressing that he finds me sexy. He wouldn’t be whistling at me if I wasn’t human would he? And I certainly don’t think he’d be whistling at me if he hated me! Mrs" yes this, whats happening to life that everything is analysed to be a negative it used to be man fancies woman let's interact now it's anything goes except in this case dehumanising wolf whistling ![]() | |||
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"I’d be over the moon if someone wolf whistled me, nut then I’d probably think they were taking the mickey anyway!" yeah this ![]() | |||
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"Just wondering if any of the people on here who are against wolf whistling have ever fabbed a pic on here. If so did they ask that person if it's ok to fab that pic. End of the day fabbing a pic is just like a vertual whistle." It's nothing like that at all | |||
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"Just wondering if any of the people on here who are against wolf whistling have ever fabbed a pic on here. If so did they ask that person if it's ok to fab that pic. End of the day fabbing a pic is just like a vertual whistle." It’s completely different ![]() | |||
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"Just wondering if any of the people on here who are against wolf whistling have ever fabbed a pic on here. If so did they ask that person if it's ok to fab that pic. End of the day fabbing a pic is just like a vertual whistle." Except if you don't want a fab, you can turn the option off, so it's not really similar at all. And a swingers website is not the same environment as walking down the street. | |||
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"Just wondering if any of the people on here who are against wolf whistling have ever fabbed a pic on here. If so did they ask that person if it's ok to fab that pic. End of the day fabbing a pic is just like a vertual whistle. It’s completely different ![]() How can we test that theory ![]() | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() Or if a guy likes the look of you as you walk past he could just not whistle. What about that idea? | |||
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"Dont wolf whistle guys! Ffs! Just follow her for a while, when she goes down a quiet street, catch up suddenly and whisper "You look purdy"... that way you can smell her hair to ![]() Women generally like it when you tell them that they remind you of your mother | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() What about those women like it though? | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. " Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() What about them? | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. " I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() Well people like me are having to go without something that I found fun. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating..." In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find things like that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs" Just explain to me how a reasonable person would interpret the action "man whistles at woman" with the meaning "man hates woman", which is what misogyny is? | |||
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" Well people like me are having to go without something that I found fun. " You could always ask some guy to whistle at you just so you don't feel deprived I guess | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find things like that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. " As a lawyer, do you see any issues with offences that are completely subjective? | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs Just explain to me how a reasonable person would interpret the action "man whistles at woman" with the meaning "man hates woman", which is what misogyny is? " You’d need to ask the people who have that belief I’m afraid | |||
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" Well people like me are having to go without something that I found fun. You could always ask some guy to whistle at you just so you don't feel deprived I guess" Wouldn’t be the same. I used to enjoy the spontaneity. Very la vie. Have to live with it | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs Just explain to me how a reasonable person would interpret the action "man whistles at woman" with the meaning "man hates woman", which is what misogyny is? You’d need to ask the people who have that belief I’m afraid " I'm asking you because you are a reasonable person. Your reply seems to indicate I'd have to find an unreasonable person to find someone with that belief. | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs You find blokes who like to wolf whistle and engage in consensual wolf whistling. I can't see the point of swimming costumes and would prefer to always go nude at swimming pools and beaches. However, I realise I am in a minority in that respect and can only go nude in situations where others have explicitly agreed that is OK. " Absolutely. I quite agree that when in the minority one has to go without. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. As a lawyer, do you see any issues with offences that are completely subjective? " Who said it should be an offence? Anyway, even if it were, you are confusing two meanings of. "subjectivity". I am talking about whether an objective act is subjectively upsetting. Unsolicited groping of someones arse is a criminal offence because most people would be subjectively upset by it. | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs You find blokes who like to wolf whistle and engage in consensual wolf whistling. I can't see the point of swimming costumes and would prefer to always go nude at swimming pools and beaches. However, I realise I am in a minority in that respect and can only go nude in situations where others have explicitly agreed that is OK. Absolutely. I quite agree that when in the minority one has to go without. " Are you really saying that you would feel your life was lacking something if you never received another wolf whistle? | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs Just explain to me how a reasonable person would interpret the action "man whistles at woman" with the meaning "man hates woman", which is what misogyny is? You’d need to ask the people who have that belief I’m afraid I'm asking you because you are a reasonable person. Your reply seems to indicate I'd have to find an unreasonable person to find someone with that belief. " I don’t know why wolf whistling has become associated with hate. It’s not for me to say whether people with that view are reasonable or unreasonable. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating..." Yeah you’re right. I’m not a reasonable person because I like to wear a dress when it’s warm outside without being whistled at and vulgar things shouted at me. My bad | |||
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"I think wolf whistling can make people feel uncomfortable and embarrassed. I know I do if it happens. A hate crime though? That’s a bit daft." | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. As a lawyer, do you see any issues with offences that are completely subjective? Who said it should be an offence? Anyway, even if it were, you are confusing two meanings of. "subjectivity". I am talking about whether an objective act is subjectively upsetting. " So the police are there to run around recording what people find upsetting now? " Unsolicited groping of someones arse is a criminal offence because most people would be subjectively upset by it. " Most people aren't upset by wolf whistling. Most people don't even have the words objectification and misogny in their daily vocabulary. | |||
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"Difficult situation. Some women find it misogynistic, an act of hate, dehumanising and objectifying (I think those are all the words that have been used). But other women find it flattering, fun, and bit of harmless banter and find it a shame that it’s no longer allowed. What is the right thing to do when there are 2 extremes of views for women for the same act. Mrs You find blokes who like to wolf whistle and engage in consensual wolf whistling. I can't see the point of swimming costumes and would prefer to always go nude at swimming pools and beaches. However, I realise I am in a minority in that respect and can only go nude in situations where others have explicitly agreed that is OK. Absolutely. I quite agree that when in the minority one has to go without. Are you really saying that you would feel your life was lacking something if you never received another wolf whistle?" I little bit. But I’ve got used to a changed world in the way men and women behave towards each other. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... Yeah you’re right. I’m not a reasonable person because I like to wear a dress when it’s warm outside without being whistled at and vulgar things shouted at me. My bad yes now stop it and tidy up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating..." You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time." Exactly. ![]() | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. Exactly. ![]() It’s quite scary when you read about women being punched in the face or even shot because they’ve ignored a wolf whistle. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? " No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. As a lawyer, do you see any issues with offences that are completely subjective? Who said it should be an offence? Anyway, even if it were, you are confusing two meanings of. "subjectivity". I am talking about whether an objective act is subjectively upsetting. So the police are there to run around recording what people find upsetting now? Unsolicited groping of someones arse is a criminal offence because most people would be subjectively upset by it. Most people aren't upset by wolf whistling. Most people don't even have the words objectification and misogny in their daily vocabulary. " Most crimes are crimes because they are acts that most people find subjectively unacceptable. Murder is a crime because most people have a subjective feeling that they would prefer not to to be killed. The issue is how strongly people have to dislike an act before it becomes a crime. As it happens I don't think wolf whistling passes that threshold. I think social pressure has done a pretty good job on that. As you think it's perfectly harmless and not at all upsetting, I assume you wolf whistle women on a regular basis. Do you? | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... In this context its completely subjective. In my experience most women find that uncomfortable /upsetting/intimidating. That's the reason it's become socially unacceptable. As a lawyer, do you see any issues with offences that are completely subjective? Who said it should be an offence? Anyway, even if it were, you are confusing two meanings of. "subjectivity". I am talking about whether an objective act is subjectively upsetting. So the police are there to run around recording what people find upsetting now? Unsolicited groping of someones arse is a criminal offence because most people would be subjectively upset by it. Most people aren't upset by wolf whistling. Most people don't even have the words objectification and misogny in their daily vocabulary. Most crimes are crimes because they are acts that most people find subjectively unacceptable. Murder is a crime because most people have a subjective feeling that they would prefer not to to be killed. The issue is how strongly people have to dislike an act before it becomes a crime. As it happens I don't think wolf whistling passes that threshold. I think social pressure has done a pretty good job on that. As you think it's perfectly harmless and not at all upsetting, I assume you wolf whistle women on a regular basis. Do you? " I don't know how to whistle and i have zero interest in picking up women anyway. I go to swingers clubs when the mood takes us that way. I also don't train dogs to give Nazi salutes. I just don't think either are matters the police should be wasting their time on it. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. Exactly. ![]() I don’t think the majority do. I’m explaining the reasons why some women find it intimidating. In an ideal world, I think most women hope that men have enough common sense to just not do it. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. Exactly. ![]() that's men for you impetuous and senseless ![]() | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned." I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. " I mean....I had a hammer thrown at me lol | |||
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"It’s about dehumanisation and unwanted sexualisation. One person has no right to sexualise you without your consent or to make sexual demands of you without your agreement. Whilst I’m aware that some people on here may enjoy that aspect, others certainly don’t. There are times and places for that thing and someone out walking or going about their day certainly isn’t either of those. It’s about respect and recognition for the other person. It’s not a ‘compliment’ as some would say, what it says is ‘I don’t care about you as a person, objectively and irrespective of how you feel about it, I want to sexualise you right now.’ Personally I find that very very wrong. " You get all that, from a whistle? | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. I mean....I had a hammer thrown at me lol " he thought you were his tool box probably ![]() | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. " Haha - nice little dig, there. I agree, there does. However, it’s not only the stereotypical construction workers that do it. Hopefully you can now see why some women find it intimidating. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. I mean....I had a hammer thrown at me lol " Which is already illegal ![]() | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. I mean....I had a hammer thrown at me lol he thought you were his tool box probably ![]() Seriously, learn your audience. | |||
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"Just out of interest, does anyone contributing to this thread actually wolf whistle when they see a woman they find attractive. " First they came for the wolf whilsters, but i wasn't a wolf whilster so i said nothing... | |||
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"Just out of interest, does anyone contributing to this thread actually wolf whistle when they see a woman they find attractive. First they came for the wolf whilsters, but i wasn't a wolf whilster so i said nothing... " It's all a bit Carry on / On The Buses / thwoarrr you don't get many of them to the pound luv which was generally thought to be incurably naff when I was a lad. I am astonished it's still an issue. | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. So in your mind, that incident wouldn't have happened if wolf whistling was banned? No, I’m asking you why you don’t think women might find wolf whistling intimidating. If you read my other post, you’ll see that I don’t think it should be banned. I think men and women should find crazy people intimidating. That man clearly had something wrong with him. He probably broke into someone's house later that day to feed his drug habit. I'd wager that ~90% of wolf whistling happens from builders who aren't remotely close to the woman and couldnt possibly be considered a threat by any reasonable person. It's low brow i grant you, but there has to be room in the world for low brow people. I mean....I had a hammer thrown at me lol he thought you were his tool box probably ![]() where's the fun in that ![]() | |||
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"Cant believe people are complaining about a wolf whistle ![]() In the 1980’s as an 18 year old I had to walk past a building site every day on my way to and from work. The first time they all downed tools to wolf whistle and Cat call I didn’t mind so much - but it happened every day - twice a day! The ‘innocent ‘ remarks got more and more raucous as apparently my bright red face meant I was ‘loving it’! Many of these guys were old enough to be my dad! It may be a compliment to some - but to an inexperienced young girl it was awful and highly embarrassing! And yeah - if it happened to me now I wouldn’t bat an eyelid - but we should remember that the typical woman on Fab (confident with their own sexuality etc) isn’t necessarily the typical woman on the street! | |||
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"Just out of interest, does anyone contributing to this thread actually wolf whistle when they see a woman they find attractive. " I used to in my old job, but it was frowned upon by the rest of the clergy... | |||
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"Just out of interest, does anyone contributing to this thread actually wolf whistle when they see a woman they find attractive. I used to in my old job, but it was frowned upon by the rest of the clergy..." You've randomly reminded me of one of those spoof tabloid articles you got in Viz from about 1988ish. The headline was " I like big jugs says vicar" and the story was about this vicar who had been marrying people for forty years and bemoaning the fact that brides breast sizes were getting smaller... | |||
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"I still toot my horn, I know I shudnt really. Is that bad as well ? " Dunno. Makes me feel uncomfortable but other folk might find it a compliment | |||
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"I still toot my horn, I know I shudnt really. Is that bad as well ? " It's fine as long as you get their consent first | |||
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"Makes me feel so uncomfortable being whistled at - but then again, if I’m whistled at, they usually also shout something about with it. Hated it even more when I was younger and it’s awful seeing my 15 year old sister hate it too. We were at a family party one night and while waiting for our taxi, a bunch of (sober) guys started whistling at her and shouting to the point she was in tears. Men also whistle and shout at my 11 year old sister - she hasn’t even left primary school yet! Yes others find it flattering but I don’t. Indeed. It astonishes me that some people can't see how it can seem really intimidating. I can see how some people would, some people find it intimidating to leave their house or eat with a fork that someone else has touched. The question should be whether a reasonable person would find it intimidating... You don’t think women find it intimidating when someone wolf whistles!? I’d imagine that it has something to do with the fact that you’re a guy. I had a guy whistle at me. I ignored it. He followed me into a shop and got aggressive because I’d ignored him. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens all the time. Exactly. ![]() If their make it part of a hate crime it illegal, like you can't use the N word if your white it racist | |||
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"I still toot my horn, I know I shudnt really. Is that bad as well ? Dunno. Makes me feel uncomfortable but other folk might find it a compliment " You're so vain, you probably think that beep was aimed at you... | |||
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"I still toot my horn, I know I shudnt really. Is that bad as well ? " It will be Soon the way these Nazis feminist have anything to do with it. Did you know that some men are actually having contacts drawn up before they even get involved sexually with a women so she doesn't accuse him of the R word. | |||
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"I still toot my horn, I know I shudnt really. Is that bad as well ? Dunno. Makes me feel uncomfortable but other folk might find it a compliment You're so vain, you probably think that beep was aimed at you..." I like to look around and try make sure the beep WASNT aimed at me, but when they look you in the eye and wink, hard to take it any other way ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I'm so glad to hear it's becoming a hate crime and that they're cracking down on harassment. I was in Amsterdam recently when a guy came up behind the girl was seeing and grabbed her ass. She told me and I went and confronted him and resulted in me knocking his tooth out. Also I'm the only boy in the family and my 13 year old sister and my older sister have both been harassed constantly and wolf whistled. It's fucking horrible to know what women go through on the street whilst minding their own business. Those harassers need to be arrested. " I guess it’s a fine line as to what is considered harassment and what is considered fun banter. As I have already stated in this thread, rightly or wrongly, I used to quite enjoy the attention if I were whistled at or horn tooted when walking down the road. I guess I was lucky that what I considered a bit of fun never turned in harassment for me. I would however regard it that having a random man grab my arse as sexual harassment. Mrs | |||
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"Really???? Some of the posts on this thread are unbelievable.... If a wolf whistle is as bad as your day gets.. then I’d consider that a pretty good day. Being whistled at can hardly be a hate/sexual crime... you have the freedom (for now at least) to choose whether or not you acknowledge it. The key point being you have a choice ... If a bird in the tree starts singing when you walk past, would you start screaming “lock him up!” The most worrying aspect of this, as it blurs the lines for sexual conduct... then people stop reporting the serious stuff. If someone touches you, follows you etc ... that’s a completely different ball park. A wolf whistle is not sinister... and carries as much weight as you give it! - end of rant - Ava ![]() Bit is IS sinister and offensive and embarrassing and you feel intimidated, sometimes scared, upset, annoyed when you’re a 15 year old girl (that would be a child) who gets this kind of thing thrown at them daily from an old man or even worse, groups of men. Not everyone out there is of a legal age and sexually confident and enjoying the attention ... irrespective, if a person doesn’t like it then they dont like it. Why is the person whistling entitled to more consideration that the young person? It’s not always innocent, it does sometimes lead on to more than just whistling and it says more about the blokes that need to do it than it does about the female. And since when should men decide whether something is flattering to a woman or not? There will be a thread tomorrow stating that very thing. There will probably be a thread about people being attracted to under age people as well .... however because we’re only talking about whistling it’s ok? It’s not ok if it makes you uncomfortable- it’s the first thing we teach kids about strangers. Having said all that .. I don’t think it’s a crime but I do think that men should show a sense of decency and respect and in cases they are unable to see that their actions in some instances are inappropriate. That is not the fault of the female. | |||
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