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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Shag | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Hear, hear  | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Yes, but apart from that? | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." A depressing read  | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read "Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi??? | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???"What are you talking about? | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
What are you talking about?"I believe she is implying that if one really believed that Britain was so bad, one would relocate to another country that one preferred. The fact that one does not do this implies that one is not entirely sincere in ones criticisms and just likes to moan. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
What are you talking about?
I believe she is implying that if one really believed that Britain was so bad, one would relocate to another country that one preferred. The fact that one does not do this implies that one is not entirely sincere in ones criticisms and just likes to moan. "Oh right. I read it and thought, how sad, not I hate England and I need to move. Bit of an over reaction on her part I think. If I could move countries I think I'd go to Italy though. | |||
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"We seem to have developed a lack of Pride when I say pride I mean pride in our country our Heritage and the things that we do best. Then respect for other people's property and other people in general." i agree , beautiful churches sold off to developers , amazing pubs with history sold to developers , even old police stations from victorian days turned into flats........... | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born" This, exactly this. Rather live in this country than many others | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." That’s the spirit! Take the positives | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born This, exactly this. Rather live in this country than many others" I always wonder what golden age these people want to go back to... when was the time that the world was safer, the environment was cleaner, people were richer? | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. Yes, but apart from that? "What did the Romans do for us ! | |||
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"We seem to have developed a lack of Pride when I say pride I mean pride in our country our Heritage and the things that we do best. Then respect for other people's property and other people in general. i agree , beautiful churches sold off to developers , amazing pubs with history sold to developers , even old police stations from victorian days turned into flats..........." Better than leaving them empty though? | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. Yes, but apart from that?
What did the Romans do for us !"I had the exact same Python quote in my head | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. Shag" Pass | |||
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"The fact is this . We really have never had it so good , no matter what any doom mongers may say . We are so lucky to have the freedom to choose what we say , and what we do with this wonderful life we are given . Anyone who thinks otherwise should try somewhere else for a while , and then come back and tell us how it went . " No i want to go back 60,000 years when there was a ~20% murder rate, Actually i want to go back 2,000 years when I'd be dead by age 40, Oh let's go back 66 years because i want to taste the London smog. | |||
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"We seem to have developed a lack of Pride when I say pride I mean pride in our country our Heritage and the things that we do best. Then respect for other people's property and other people in general." When were you proud of your country? I can't think of one thing in my living memory. | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born This, exactly this. Rather live in this country than many others I always wonder what golden age these people want to go back to... when was the time that the world was safer, the environment was cleaner, people were richer? " Fuck knows, but we're lucky to born here. Life could be much worse | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots... "Strawman | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman "I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not.. Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.  | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Too true | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic. "It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???"One of the best countries . .. Are you having a laugh?!??!! England is filled with mob mentality assholes who wilfully destroy public property and endanger police and ambulance workers Where unemployment an homelessmess is rife . Where ex servicemen beg on the street and we are so far below the real living wage it's scary...... Best country my ass | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
What are you talking about?"If you have such a negative attitude about Britain, why not move to another country - I suggested Saudi because believe you me it's far worse! | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
One of the best countries . .. Are you having a laugh?!??!! England is filled with mob mentality assholes who wilfully destroy public property and endanger police and ambulance workers
Where unemployment an homelessmess is rife . Where ex servicemen beg on the street and we are so far below the real living wage it's scary......
Best country my ass"I'm proud to be British and make no apologies. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
What are you talking about?
If you have such a negative attitude about Britain, why not move to another country - I suggested Saudi because believe you me it's far worse!"My friend lives in Saudi Arabia and he likes it. You could have picked a much worse country to send me to. How about Somalia? | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born" *fingers pointing to the air* YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. "I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave. | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born *fingers pointing to the air* YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! " We need Dutch mantel to educate these people | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave. "Or they could just say things that are true or at least evidence based and then we could discuss them. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Another little bundle of joy that can only think of all the negatives! | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." I could not have summed it up better myself | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. A depressing read
Best you move then. We are still one of the best countries to live in in the World - you could try Saudi???
What are you talking about?
I believe she is implying that if one really believed that Britain was so bad, one would relocate to another country that one preferred. The fact that one does not do this implies that one is not entirely sincere in ones criticisms and just likes to moan.
Oh right. I read it and thought, how sad, not I hate England and I need to move. Bit of an over reaction on her part I think.
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave.
Or they could just say things that are true or at least evidence based and then we could discuss them. "Come back with those goal posts sunshine! I see plenty of people in this thread getting told to fuck off out of Britain because they are critical of this society .Its irrelevant that you agree of disagree with the criticism. What is important is critics are being told to get out of the UK because they see flaws in the society we live in and voice an opinion. I would suggest that those telling others to "get out if you don't like it here", should fuck off to North Korea or Russia were such views are welcome. | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave.
Or they could just say things that are true or at least evidence based and then we could discuss them.
Come back with those goal posts sunshine!
I see plenty of people in this thread getting told to fuck off out of Britain because they are critical of this society .Its irrelevant that you agree of disagree with the criticism. What is important is critics are being told to get out of the UK because they see flaws in the society we live in and voice an opinion.
I would suggest that those telling others to "get out if you don't like it here",
should fuck off to North Korea or Russia were such views are welcome. "Again, strawman. They are free to leave if it's seriously as bad as they say it is. If we're all starving to death and barely clinging on. The fact that they opt not to is telling. | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave.
Or they could just say things that are true or at least evidence based and then we could discuss them.
Come back with those goal posts sunshine!
I see plenty of people in this thread getting told to fuck off out of Britain because they are critical of this society .Its irrelevant that you agree of disagree with the criticism. What is important is critics are being told to get out of the UK because they see flaws in the society we live in and voice an opinion.
I would suggest that those telling others to "get out if you don't like it here",
should fuck off to North Korea or Russia were such views are welcome.
Again, strawman. They are free to leave if it's seriously as bad as they say it is. If we're all starving to death and barely clinging on. The fact that they opt not to is telling. "The only thing that is telling is your acceptance of intolerance of others views.The neo con mask slips away yet again. You refuse to acknowledge that people are being told to leave the country because of their opinions.You can scream the word strawman til the end of time it adds nothing to your argument. Such is your modus operandi when the truth is laid before you and you only have empty rhetoric left. Im off fishing down the beach have a nice evening. | |||
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"You got to love Britain in 2018.Any criticism of the country and the real patriots tell you to get the fuck out the country . You got to love the plastic patriots...
Strawman I know you think you're saying something of relevance but you're not..
Only totalitarian regimes and dictatorships define criticism as unpatriotic.
It's not "any criticism" I object to, it's nonsense criticism that I object to. Stuff that is factually incorrect. Hence why your point is a strawman because you are not addressing the point that was made. I suppose in the post truth age you are correct.Critics should be told to leave.
Or they could just say things that are true or at least evidence based and then we could discuss them.
Come back with those goal posts sunshine!
I see plenty of people in this thread getting told to fuck off out of Britain because they are critical of this society .Its irrelevant that you agree of disagree with the criticism. What is important is critics are being told to get out of the UK because they see flaws in the society we live in and voice an opinion.
I would suggest that those telling others to "get out if you don't like it here",
should fuck off to North Korea or Russia were such views are welcome.
Again, strawman. They are free to leave if it's seriously as bad as they say it is. If we're all starving to death and barely clinging on. The fact that they opt not to is telling. The only thing that is telling is your acceptance of intolerance of others views.The neo con mask slips away yet again.
You refuse to acknowledge that people are being told to leave the country because of their opinions.You can scream the word strawman til the end of time it adds nothing to your argument.
Such is your modus operandi when the truth is laid before you and you only have empty rhetoric left.
Im off fishing down the beach have a nice evening. "What do you think intolerance of other views means? I'm not telling anyone they can't have that opinion or trying to pass laws to stop people saying those opinions. But i don't have to lend them any credibility. If you're accusing me of not showing respect for other opinions then guilty as charged. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Not everyone has to work 3 jobs you get women and couples with kids who only have to work 16 hours and they get full time pay. Single people without kids get nothing its fucking disgusting. | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. " I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing! | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." Yes, all that is happening here and, in many other places all over the world. Times have been worse though! We still have an NHS, we still have social housing, we still have one of the best democratic systems for politics. Most of the poor have a roof over their heads with television, somewhere to cook with hot and cold running water and toilets. It's not perfect and there is certainly room for improvement. This is not necessarily the situation with the op but, I do tend to find that a lot of people with a negative outlook like the one above are, very good at pointing out all the faults but when challenged are doing between fuck all and very little to improve matters! They go to work and pay taxes and moan about what is wrong. A lot of people that moan don't exercise their right to vote at general or local elections. Are they getting involved in the neighborhood plan, are they getting involved in making sure planning and developers are following the rules about the percentage of social housing that must be included in any development over a certain size because, if you don't, they wriggle out of it? Are they campaigning to keep the local library open, whether they use it or not, for some, it's their only access to books and computers. Are they petitioning government and getting directly involved in putting pressure on them about the NHS or closing tax loopholes that only benefit the rich. Are they helping the homeless or helping the heroes? Do the step outside their front door with a smile and spread a bit of love (even to people that voted differently in the Brexit referendum or, people less fortunate) to try and help heal the divisions in our country? And, there is so much more as individuals or small groups that people can do to effect change. People are entitled to their opinions but don't just moan about how bad things are, try and do something about it or it will stay the same or get worse! Often, when I come across people that like to pick out all the negatives and, I ask them what they are doing about it or, contributing to make it better, the answer is fuck all. I'm loving my country and a majority of the lovely people that inhabit it and, I shall keep pushing forward to make it a better place for future generations. On top of that...the weather is great and the national football team isn't doing badly! | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing! "Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky. | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing!
Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky. "Not to be pedantic, but we're seeing more and more supply of emergency food. The demand may well be static. There are absolutely no official statistics on foodbank usage or even a fixed definition of what one is. We only the records of the largest foodbank provider and people use that as a proxy for the whole country. It's supply grew for 10 consecutive years under Labour, albeit from a small supply. So we don't really know what the demand is, we just know the supply. | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing." but apart from that . What have the Romans ever done for us | |||
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"Some people don't know they're born" it makes you wonder. Actually as we are currently in Sri Lanka, I am reminded how lucky we are in UK. It’s a beautiful country here for sure, but the people don’t have anywhere even close to the privelliges and freedoms we have. | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing!
Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky.
Not to be pedantic, but we're seeing more and more supply of emergency food. The demand may well be static. There are absolutely no official statistics on foodbank usage or even a fixed definition of what one is. We only the records of the largest foodbank provider and people use that as a proxy for the whole country. It's supply grew for 10 consecutive years under Labour, albeit from a small supply. So we don't really know what the demand is, we just know the supply. "Our Foodbank use is steadily rising. It’s most definitely got busier since the roll out of Universal Credit in Lambeth. Being in connection with many other Foodbank’s around the UK, not just in The Trussell Trust, they are too reporting very high numbers as opposed to say, 18 months ago. | |||
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"Plus I’m a great believer in life is what you make it. There are definite sectors in society that think the opposite and simply wait for life to unfold and fall in their lap. When you get pockets of these like minded people, it’s just toxic and negative. Their mindset tells them every day about all the shit problems there are. I have one life. If something makes me unhappy I change it. " Best attitude to have! Nothing has ever changed for the better because of people that sit on their arse and wait for someone else to do it! | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing!
Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky.
Not to be pedantic, but we're seeing more and more supply of emergency food. The demand may well be static. There are absolutely no official statistics on foodbank usage or even a fixed definition of what one is. We only the records of the largest foodbank provider and people use that as a proxy for the whole country. It's supply grew for 10 consecutive years under Labour, albeit from a small supply. So we don't really know what the demand is, we just know the supply.
Our Foodbank use is steadily rising. It’s most definitely got busier since the roll out of Universal Credit in Lambeth. Being in connection with many other Foodbank’s around the UK, not just in The Trussell Trust, they are too reporting very high numbers as opposed to say, 18 months ago."Indeed but that doesn't mean the demand wasn't there before, in 2004 the Trussell Trust had 2 foodbanks, in 2015 they gave out over a million food parcels. Nobody can make the claim that they wouldn't have distributed over a million parcels in 2004 if they'd had the funds, public awareness and more foodbanks. We only observe the supply, not the demand. | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing!
Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky.
Not to be pedantic, but we're seeing more and more supply of emergency food. The demand may well be static. There are absolutely no official statistics on foodbank usage or even a fixed definition of what one is. We only the records of the largest foodbank provider and people use that as a proxy for the whole country. It's supply grew for 10 consecutive years under Labour, albeit from a small supply. So we don't really know what the demand is, we just know the supply.
Our Foodbank use is steadily rising. It’s most definitely got busier since the roll out of Universal Credit in Lambeth. Being in connection with many other Foodbank’s around the UK, not just in The Trussell Trust, they are too reporting very high numbers as opposed to say, 18 months ago.
Indeed but that doesn't mean the demand wasn't there before, in 2004 the Trussell Trust had 2 foodbanks, in 2015 they gave out over a million food parcels. Nobody can make the claim that they wouldn't have distributed over a million parcels in 2004 if they'd had the funds, public awareness and more foodbanks. We only observe the supply, not the demand. "You could argue that say, when we opened our Foodbank 5 years ago, why wasn’t there as much demand as there is now. Even once it had been established for the area. Social workers, JobCentre staff, support workers, GPs, they’re all seeing rises in the number of vouchers they’re writing in the area. | |||
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"Plus I’m a great believer in life is what you make it. There are definite sectors in society that think the opposite and simply wait for life to unfold and fall in their lap. When you get pockets of these like minded people, it’s just toxic and negative. Their mindset tells them every day about all the shit problems there are. I have one life. If something makes me unhappy I change it. " It's learned helplessness. British people are the 9th most pessimistic about future economic growth whilst the Chinese are the 7th most optimistic. My experience of comparing the two is that Chinese people want the country to do well because they know everyone does better eventually. Whilst British people denegerate into identity politics because they have no real hope of a bigger our and just want to fight for a bigger slice of it for their group. | |||
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"We’re so lucky to live in this country and not be worried about being shot by a PC, or bombed by our own government, or imprisoned for speaking freely. Yes, there are bad things, but there are also a lot of wonderful things, too. I'm afraid to say those things have happened in modern times, the first two took place on 7/7/05 for example, the other one is coming and in fact is already here! (can explain a bit more). Count me as another to thumb up that negative post someone made. Some things might be negative but need to be said. I'd rather know the score and deal from there, while keeping a glass full attitude. I'm happy to be a UK dude, and believe we can do a lot better. Which is why I like to try to know what's really going on in high places and shine the light baby! Which happily more and more people are doing!
Just because I think we’re incredibly lucky to live here, doesn’t mean I’m completely unaware of the negative parts. The politicians who don’t do their jobs correctly, the much-needed services facing difficulty because of the inefficiency of others or the Foodbank’s who are now seeing more and more people who need emergency food. However, as a big picture, I do still feel lucky.
Not to be pedantic, but we're seeing more and more supply of emergency food. The demand may well be static. There are absolutely no official statistics on foodbank usage or even a fixed definition of what one is. We only the records of the largest foodbank provider and people use that as a proxy for the whole country. It's supply grew for 10 consecutive years under Labour, albeit from a small supply. So we don't really know what the demand is, we just know the supply.
Our Foodbank use is steadily rising. It’s most definitely got busier since the roll out of Universal Credit in Lambeth. Being in connection with many other Foodbank’s around the UK, not just in The Trussell Trust, they are too reporting very high numbers as opposed to say, 18 months ago.
Indeed but that doesn't mean the demand wasn't there before, in 2004 the Trussell Trust had 2 foodbanks, in 2015 they gave out over a million food parcels. Nobody can make the claim that they wouldn't have distributed over a million parcels in 2004 if they'd had the funds, public awareness and more foodbanks. We only observe the supply, not the demand.
You could argue that say, when we opened our Foodbank 5 years ago, why wasn’t there as much demand as there is now. Even once it had been established for the area. Social workers, JobCentre staff, support workers, GPs, they’re all seeing rises in the number of vouchers they’re writing in the area. "It's possible, I'm just saying that it's not a fact that the demand wasn't there before. Supply grew during years that most people consider prosperous. Virtually every criticism in this thread has some nuance like that. Other people criticising the monarchy for not being elected are poorly informed. There's something called the democracy index and corruption perception index. The UK scores better than the US on both, despite the latter having an totally elected political system and no royal family. So as a criticism, it fails the evidence test. | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same!" My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. " That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. " At least they would have a better perception of what is good about our country and a better attitude towards being proactive in protecting and improving it or, see where we'll end up if we don't! | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. At least they would have a better perception of what is good about our country and a better attitude towards being proactive in protecting and improving it or, see where we'll end up if we don't!" Yeah agreed. I bet they wouldn't have voted for brexit then! | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time "Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here. | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. At least they would have a better perception of what is good about our country and a better attitude towards being proactive in protecting and improving it or, see where we'll end up if we don't! " The problem with grumpy little Britons is that they forget how rare and incredible it is to live in a country where you can get things like a fair trial. In the UK, 82% of court cases end in conviction. Which makes sense if you think about it. In China it's over 99.9% (literally). | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here. "Hmm...it actually makes you realise how caring, friendly & hospitable people from these countries are compared to ours tbh. | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here. "I'd quite like to live in some of those places. I love the freedom you feel over there that you can't have here. I love the comraderie and creativity too. Very inspiring. Obviously it's a totally different issue for the people who are stuck there. I wouldn't want to get stuck in any of those countries and not be able to come back. But part of me would prefer to die of old age in some remote foreign place where I'm left to do so by myself or with my family than in a strip lit hospital hooked up to a million machines. Such an undignified exit. But yes some cross pollination would be great | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here.
I'd quite like to live in some of those places. I love the freedom you feel over there that you can't have here. I love the comraderie and creativity too. Very inspiring. Obviously it's a totally different issue for the people who are stuck there. I wouldn't want to get stuck in any of those countries and not be able to come back. But part of me would prefer to die of old age in some remote foreign place where I'm left to do so by myself or with my family than in a strip lit hospital hooked up to a million machines. Such an undignified exit.
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"Plus I’m a great believer in life is what you make it. There are definite sectors in society that think the opposite and simply wait for life to unfold and fall in their lap. When you get pockets of these like minded people, it’s just toxic and negative. Their mindset tells them every day about all the shit problems there are. I have one life. If something makes me unhappy I change it. Best attitude to have! Nothing has ever changed for the better because of people that sit on their arse and wait for someone else to do it!" Have to agree with this, life is what you make it you get out what you put in. Frank | |||
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here.
I'd quite like to live in some of those places. I love the freedom you feel over there that you can't have here. I love the comraderie and creativity too. Very inspiring. Obviously it's a totally different issue for the people who are stuck there. I wouldn't want to get stuck in any of those countries and not be able to come back. But part of me would prefer to die of old age in some remote foreign place where I'm left to do so by myself or with my family than in a strip lit hospital hooked up to a million machines. Such an undignified exit.
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here.
I'd quite like to live in some of those places. I love the freedom you feel over there that you can't have here. I love the comraderie and creativity too. Very inspiring. Obviously it's a totally different issue for the people who are stuck there. I wouldn't want to get stuck in any of those countries and not be able to come back. But part of me would prefer to die of old age in some remote foreign place where I'm left to do so by myself or with my family than in a strip lit hospital hooked up to a million machines. Such an undignified exit.
But yes some cross pollination would be great
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"Limp wristed lefties thinking they know best What's the solution? Correction therapy? Or just bin them? You could create a world where everyone thinks the same! My solution would be to give every 18 year old in the country a tax payer funded, two week trip to a developing country. It would prevent most of them becoming whinging adults. That would conveniently solve the problem of selfish right wingers only thinking of themselves and their cronies at the same time
Yup and people would also learn from developing countries too. I'm not talking about shipping people off to the fucking Congo to get shot at, but go somewhere like India, China, Brazil etc. There's good things there as well as bad. But it makes you realise what you've actually got here.
I'd quite like to live in some of those places. I love the freedom you feel over there that you can't have here. I love the comraderie and creativity too. Very inspiring. Obviously it's a totally different issue for the people who are stuck there. I wouldn't want to get stuck in any of those countries and not be able to come back. But part of me would prefer to die of old age in some remote foreign place where I'm left to do so by myself or with my family than in a strip lit hospital hooked up to a million machines. Such an undignified exit.
But yes some cross pollination would be great
Have you never been to a hospice?
No. But the word alone fills me with the morbid dread that it's probably to an NHS hospital what HR are to accounts in a big corporation... all fake smiles but the same result "One day you'll visit a hospice. And i hope then that you'll realise you've been an ass. | |||
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"God knows it cannot be that good if a few generations jumped ship to o.z Spain Portugal south of France many years ago! Now the rest are stuck here or moving to Devon and Cornwall if they can afford it! Austria and Italy seem like the place to be! "Yet the rest of the world can't wait to get here... | |||
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"We seem to have developed a lack of Pride when I say pride I mean pride in our country our Heritage and the things that we do best. Then respect for other people's property and other people in general." There's pride and then there is being totally fucked over by those in charge x | |||
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong." Give us your top ~5 major wrong decisions? I'm genuinely interested since it spans a long time range.. | |||
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"Not that im complaining but England are in the world cup semis, suns been up for days and bbq's... whats happend? "apocalypse now  | |||
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong." yes my dad and grandad have said the same it’s a shame really. | |||
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong. Give us your top ~5 major wrong decisions? I'm genuinely interested since it spans a long time range.." I bet 1967 will be in there somewhere... | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. Yes, but apart from that? :- D" what have the Romans ever done for us | |||
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"Other than being a nasty, little, divided, spiteful country, run by a rich elite of mostly ex public schoolboys headed by an unelected monarchy who ensure that power and priviledge remain exactly where it should; with them. Where the wealth gap grows ever greater, where people work two or three gig economy jobs just to survive and the elite just stash more in their off shore accounts. Where large property investments in London remain empty whilst people sleep on the streets or burn to death in social housing high rise blocks. Where debt is encouraged as a form of social control and where we now exist in a dystopian world of fake news and control - running faster and faster on our hamster wheels to fund the elites. That's what has become of the country where my parents generation saw off Hitler, build thousands of Council homes from the rubble and created the NHS from nothing. Yes, but apart from that?
What did the Romans do for us !
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong. Give us your top ~5 major wrong decisions? I'm genuinely interested since it spans a long time range.. I bet 1967 will be in there somewhere..." Harold Wilson raising income tax to 98% ? | |||
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"People disengaged from politics, where since the late 70s, there has been an ideological process cresting a more selfish and disrespectful population towards each other, whilst the state is dismantled around them, leaving them to become fodder for the rich elite. Whilst the very wealthy have engineered this, the only hatred and anger is towards each other, whilst existing in an increasingly dog eat dog world - whilst worshipping the great overlords with wealth, such as Boris or Rees mogg and continuing to buy the rags that stir hatred, such as the mail, express and sun with pride. You couldn't make it up. "Why do you think this is the case ? What should be done to change the way we are ? | |||
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong. Give us your top ~5 major wrong decisions? I'm genuinely interested since it spans a long time range.. I bet 1967 will be in there somewhere... Harold Wilson raising income tax to 98% ?" Devaluation of the pound. | |||
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"The idiots in charge,who have ruined this country since 1945. I grew up in the late 40's and early 50's.That really was austerity.Virtually every decision made since then has been wrong. Give us your top ~5 major wrong decisions? I'm genuinely interested since it spans a long time range.. I bet 1967 will be in there somewhere... Harold Wilson raising income tax to 98% ? Devaluation of the pound." Ah yeah , the one that Wilson was so against . Yet he celebrated and congratulated himself when he did it . I remember my old man saying what a twat that guy was when I was a kid | |||
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to everyone for not descending into a ‘Twitter mob’ mentality and actually having civilised debate. Given the nature of this thread I’d like to recommend some books that will better explain certain issues, when I read them they were very informative. They are all written in a plain English style so anyone can read and understand the arguments made.
If you haven’t read it already
The Panama Papers by B Obermayer and F Obermaier - about dodgy offshore banking.
Bad science by Ben Goldacre - about people using bad science to make unfounded claims about products, diets etc for instance Homeopathy, antioxidants, facecream, moisturisers a bit dated as was written in 2009 but still funny
Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre again - about dodgy pharma companies.
The War We Never Fought - by Peter Hitchens explains how politicians, celebrities and the media have, since the 1970’s misled the public on the alleged war on a particularly green mind altering substance he explains and quite convincingly shows how the alleged ‘war on mind altering substances’ was never really waged. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea mind but he makes (in my opinion) a pretty solid argument.
You should also check out
What money can’t buy: the moral limits of markets by Michael Sandel, you can listen to this for free search google for BBC Reith Lecture or you can listen as a podcast on your apple iphone.
Justice: what’s the right thing to do - by Micheal sandel again - an awesome read.
The Road to Serfdom by F.A.Hayek,
Just remember you might not agree with everything said in some of these books but you’ll be better informed and wiser to why Britain is in the odd(depending on your opinion) state it’s in today
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