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Is Pride too Commercial now?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Straight forward question with no agenda, what are your thoughts?

Quote from the Guardian;

"Compared to 20 years ago, Pride has been dumbed down. For many people, it is now mostly a gigantic street party. Big corporations see it as a PR opportunity to fete LGBT consumers. The ideals of LGBT equality are barely visible. Last year I counted only 10 parade groups with a LGBT human rights message."

I can't quite make my mind up. I don't resent an event for being successful and the bigger it gets, the more expensive it is to run. When I look at how many companies are falling over themselves to fly the rainbow, i cringe a little. They clearly don't really believe in LGBT issues in the sense that they wouldn't dare push them in a country where it would hurt sales. So they are happy to be on the bandwagon when it's good for sales. Or am I just being cynical?

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"Straight forward question with no agenda, what are your thoughts?

Quote from the Guardian;

"Compared to 20 years ago, Pride has been dumbed down. For many people, it is now mostly a gigantic street party. Big corporations see it as a PR opportunity to fete LGBT consumers. The ideals of LGBT equality are barely visible. Last year I counted only 10 parade groups with a LGBT human rights message."

I can't quite make my mind up. I don't resent an event for being successful and the bigger it gets, the more expensive it is to run. When I look at how many companies are falling over themselves to fly the rainbow, i cringe a little. They clearly don't really believe in LGBT issues in the sense that they wouldn't dare push them in a country where it would hurt sales. So they are happy to be on the bandwagon when it's good for sales. Or am I just being cynical? "

I'd say a lot of companies just jump on the bandwagon to seem like they're lgbtq friendly. However the growing popularity of pride can never be a bad thing as it just shows more and more people are accepting it as the norm and out there celebrating it

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Straight forward question with no agenda, what are your thoughts?

Quote from the Guardian;

"Compared to 20 years ago, Pride has been dumbed down. For many people, it is now mostly a gigantic street party. Big corporations see it as a PR opportunity to fete LGBT consumers. The ideals of LGBT equality are barely visible. Last year I counted only 10 parade groups with a LGBT human rights message."

I can't quite make my mind up. I don't resent an event for being successful and the bigger it gets, the more expensive it is to run. When I look at how many companies are falling over themselves to fly the rainbow, i cringe a little. They clearly don't really believe in LGBT issues in the sense that they wouldn't dare push them in a country where it would hurt sales. So they are happy to be on the bandwagon when it's good for sales. Or am I just being cynical?

I'd say a lot of companies just jump on the bandwagon to seem like they're lgbtq friendly. However the growing popularity of pride can never be a bad thing as it just shows more and more people are accepting it as the norm and out there celebrating it"

Thanks for your input, as i say - im torn. I think many of the people complaining would complain about any corporate sponsorship and that's certainly not an idea i agree with

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I guess it's what happens when it becomes the norm.

Glastonbury lost its charm once the TVs arrived along with the rest of the rabble.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I guess it's what happens when it becomes the norm.

Glastonbury lost its charm once the TVs arrived along with the rest of the rabble.

"

It is a pretty common accusation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon, especially if they see a pound note in it.

To quote a cliche "They have become a victim of their own success."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we really need rainbows on coffee cups, it’s bullshit PR bandwagon jumping at its worst, these same organisations wouldn’t do the same where LBGT rights are not as tolerate and open and minded as this country is.

It’s all about the filthy lucre, nothing more nothing less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do we really need rainbows on coffee cups, it’s bullshit PR bandwagon jumping at its worst, these same organisations wouldn’t do the same where LBGT rights are not as tolerate and open and minded as this country is.

It’s all about the filthy lucre, nothing more nothing less."

*LGBT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve always attended prides, to support my friends an always found it a much more relaxed street party compared to the average ones. No violence an police riot vans needed. I couldn’t see it affect sales only promote .

I would just worry as it does get more commercial the trouble would steadily follow

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales


"When I look at how many companies are falling over themselves to fly the rainbow, i cringe a little. They clearly don't really believe in LGBT issues in the sense that they wouldn't dare push them in a country where it would hurt sales. So they are happy to be on the bandwagon when it's good for sales. Or am I just being cynical? "

Probably, yes. You are being cynical.

The aim has always to raise the profile of LGBT issues, but when the profile gets large you complain.

And how do you know 'all' the corporations wouldn't push the issue in other countries? Just a gut feeling perhaps?

And the idea of 'good for sales'. Let's unwrap that for a moment. The implication is that the consumer gravitates towards brands supportive of LGBT issues. And that's bad because?

Frankly, you sound resentful that progress is being made. That the corporate world and customers work together for the better good seems to offend you.

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

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I'm torn as well. Vodafone as an example - I think that yes, part of it is a marketing scheme. On the other hand they do a lot to support LGBT+ employees and actively seeks to improve its policies and recruitment processes. I don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good think that Pride has evolved from a political demonstration to a celebration. Still too many countries where it's the former.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

Perhaps we should all boycott brands that support LGBT issues?

Read that again and reflect on the irony of complaining about them.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

If nothing else,the Pride parade is a lot duller than it used to be.

"oh look,some people in HSBC t-shirts. And now some here come some people in Aviva t-shirts."

I guess LGBTQ being uncontroversial enough to become boring is a victory of sorts.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"When I look at how many companies are falling over themselves to fly the rainbow, i cringe a little. They clearly don't really believe in LGBT issues in the sense that they wouldn't dare push them in a country where it would hurt sales. So they are happy to be on the bandwagon when it's good for sales. Or am I just being cynical?

Probably, yes. You are being cynical.

The aim has always to raise the profile of LGBT issues, but when the profile gets large you complain.

And how do you know 'all' the corporations wouldn't push the issue in other countries? Just a gut feeling perhaps?

And the idea of 'good for sales'. Let's unwrap that for a moment. The implication is that the consumer gravitates towards brands supportive of LGBT issues. And that's bad because?

Frankly, you sound resentful that progress is being made. That the corporate world and customers work together for the better good seems to offend you."

Nothing I said even implies that. You're just projecting.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

FABBER "I'm sorry, but I'm not buying your products/services anymore."

CORPORATION "Oh dear. Aren't you happy with the service?"

FABBER "No it's not that. You support LGBT issues."

CORPORATION "Oh. Don't you support the LGBT community?"

FABBER "Yes I do. I'm very supportive."

CORPORATION "But you don't think corporations should support the LGBT community?"

FABBER "Errr. Well actually I think all sectors of society should. That's the only way we can tackle the issues."

CORPORATION "A very good point. We support the LGBT community and we want you to know we do. Voices louder together etc. So are we still friends?"

FABBER "No. You support LGBT issues."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything that helps to normalise the LGBT community can only be a good thing right?

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything becomes corporate in the end. Football punk, rave...dogging.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Anything that helps to normalise the LGBT community can only be a good thing right?

C"

Some people feel it waters down the message of the event. Some people don't mind the sponsorship but object to specific sponsors.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Everything becomes corporate in the end. Football punk, rave...dogging."

Is dogging now sponsored by MAN trucks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last Pride I went to in London was very different to the first London one I went to in the early 90's. It was more open, not hidden away. More people watching the parade.

I think times have changed a heck of a lot since the early 90's. I wouldn't dare hold hands with my girlfriend back then but now I often see women holding hands or even kissing.

Perhaps the need has changed. We're not 'fighting for acceptance' so much now. We're here and we exist and it's (almost) normal.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The last Pride I went to in London was very different to the first London one I went to in the early 90's. It was more open, not hidden away. More people watching the parade.

I think times have changed a heck of a lot since the early 90's. I wouldn't dare hold hands with my girlfriend back then but now I often see women holding hands or even kissing.

Perhaps the need has changed. We're not 'fighting for acceptance' so much now. We're here and we exist and it's (almost) normal. "

So presumably the greater sponsorship enables the event to be bigger and therefore is good, on balance?

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Yes. London Pride is without politics now. Pride was and is a protest. Not a reason to sell rainbow covered tat to people who only see it as a party with zero interest for our LGBTQ+ siblings who still suffer globally.

I usually do a few gigs for London but this year, hosting my own queer party. I'll loose money, fuck it.

However I am performing at Bristol Pride next week. Less commercial, more fun

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Yes. London Pride is without politics now. Pride was and is a protest. Not a reason to sell rainbow covered tat to people who only see it as a party with zero interest for our LGBTQ+ siblings who still suffer globally.

I usually do a few gigs for London but this year, hosting my own queer party. I'll loose money, fuck it.

However I am performing at Bristol Pride next week. Less commercial, more fun"

Nice distinction there. So you feel it's more down to specific festivals rather than a generalisation of pride as a whole?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everything becomes corporate in the end. Football punk, rave...dogging.

Is dogging now sponsored by MAN trucks? "

Andrex.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Yes. London Pride is without politics now. Pride was and is a protest. Not a reason to sell rainbow covered tat to people who only see it as a party with zero interest for our LGBTQ+ siblings who still suffer globally.

I usually do a few gigs for London but this year, hosting my own queer party. I'll loose money, fuck it.

However I am performing at Bristol Pride next week. Less commercial, more fun"

There are some politics though. For example, some people object to Northrop grumman sponsoring pride Washington, since they are a defence company. But actually they have a perfect record on the corporate equality index to back it up.

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London


"Yes. London Pride is without politics now. Pride was and is a protest. Not a reason to sell rainbow covered tat to people who only see it as a party with zero interest for our LGBTQ+ siblings who still suffer globally.

I usually do a few gigs for London but this year, hosting my own queer party. I'll loose money, fuck it.

However I am performing at Bristol Pride next week. Less commercial, more fun

Nice distinction there. So you feel it's more down to specific festivals rather than a generalisation of pride as a whole? "

Bit of both. It's patronising for big brands to tap us on the shoulder once a year saying "ooh we support you, buy our stuff". It's endorsement by association.

But at the same time, London especially needs their money to put it on. Westminster council charge a huge amount for Pride. There's a lower attendance and resources used for Pride than Notting Hill Carnival. Which isn't charged. Funny that

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Yes. London Pride is without politics now. Pride was and is a protest. Not a reason to sell rainbow covered tat to people who only see it as a party with zero interest for our LGBTQ+ siblings who still suffer globally.

I usually do a few gigs for London but this year, hosting my own queer party. I'll loose money, fuck it.

However I am performing at Bristol Pride next week. Less commercial, more fun

Nice distinction there. So you feel it's more down to specific festivals rather than a generalisation of pride as a whole?

Bit of both. It's patronising for big brands to tap us on the shoulder once a year saying "ooh we support you, buy our stuff". It's endorsement by association.

But at the same time, London especially needs their money to put it on. Westminster council charge a huge amount for Pride. There's a lower attendance and resources used for Pride than Notting Hill Carnival. Which isn't charged. Funny that "

To be fair, there are some companies who do take it seriously. There are multiple clerics calling for a boycott of Starbucks in Saudi Arabia because they are a "pro-gay company".

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Had this same theme of conversation with mates, has pride lost what it was set up to do?

I don't think it has had its time, as so much prejudice still exists at there used to be.

I do think it has become very commercialised, look at Brighton pride the tickets for the pride event are a bit steep.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP   Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Had this same theme of conversation with mates, has pride lost what it was set up to do?

I don't think it has had its time, as so much prejudice still exists at there used to be.

I do think it has become very commercialised, look at Brighton pride the tickets for the pride event are a bit steep."

Do you have an opinion about Northrop grumman sponsoring pride Washington?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last Pride I went to in London was very different to the first London one I went to in the early 90's. It was more open, not hidden away. More people watching the parade.

I think times have changed a heck of a lot since the early 90's. I wouldn't dare hold hands with my girlfriend back then but now I often see women holding hands or even kissing.

Perhaps the need has changed. We're not 'fighting for acceptance' so much now. We're here and we exist and it's (almost) normal.

So presumably the greater sponsorship enables the event to be bigger and therefore is good, on balance? "

I'm undecided. In some ways it's better to be bigger. But in others it's kind of like taking the piss and making it not as meaningful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gonna be controversial here.. things are coming to a point where being straight is going to need a ‘festival’

Be gay, pink, bi , black ,blue whatever , I’m not really that bothered. I don’t see the need to make a song and a dance about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gonna be controversial here.. things are coming to a point where being straight is going to need a ‘festival’

Be gay, pink, bi , black ,blue whatever , I’m not really that bothered. I don’t see the need to make a song and a dance about it "

Human Pride. Everyone welcome and equal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gonna be controversial here.. things are coming to a point where being straight is going to need a ‘festival’

Be gay, pink, bi , black ,blue whatever , I’m not really that bothered. I don’t see the need to make a song and a dance about it

Human Pride. Everyone welcome and equal. "

Exactly..... on second thoughts I’m maybe missing the point on this whole ‘pride’ thingy?

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