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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was watching question time yesterday, it was interesting, it needs a total reform from top to bottom, whats your view?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The NHS is actually reasonably efficient by international standards, reform won't help. Its funding model is what's broken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a big fan of the NHS and I hope they get it sorted.

As for how, I don't know how they'll do it.

But here's to hoping it stays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a word NO!!

And that’s with over 20 years working for the bloody awful establishment!

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary


"The NHS is actually reasonably efficient by international standards, reform won't help. Its funding model is what's broken."

Indeed. They are underpaying doctors and nurses by not giving them adequate overtime which means they’re not going to want to stay past their already grueling shifts. And instead they pay these companies heaps more. I know a lot is to do with litigation as well but even so, I think there needs to be more accountability within the nhs as well as the simple old saying “ cut out the middle man” regardless of the profession there are just too many companies and institutions using agencies as oppose to actually employing people. They pay agencies big money for the workers to get a fraction.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The NHS is actually reasonably efficient by international standards, reform won't help. Its funding model is what's broken.

Indeed. They are underpaying doctors and nurses by not giving them adequate overtime which means they’re not going to want to stay past their already grueling shifts. And instead they pay these companies heaps more. I know a lot is to do with litigation as well but even so, I think there needs to be more accountability within the nhs as well as the simple old saying “ cut out the middle man” regardless of the profession there are just too many companies and institutions using agencies as oppose to actually employing people. They pay agencies big money for the workers to get a fraction. "

Agree with all that, but they seem to be symptoms of chronic underfunding / too much demand placed on it by people who don't take personal responsibility for their health.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

I'm no expert so I maybe wrong , but from what i can see it's more a case of it simply can't cope with the amount of people that use it . Chucking money at it isn't the eternal cure . I'm fairly sure they try their best but it's buckling under the strain of ...

1. People are living longer

2. Too many people not giving a shit about their personal health

3. Health Tourism ( it is a problem it's no use being PC about it as we know it's true )

4. Simply not enough hospitals or staff to cope

As I said I'm no expert but from an outsiders view that seems to be the issues .

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By *litteasingManMan
over a year ago

Thereabouts


"I was watching question time yesterday, it was interesting, it needs a total reform from top to bottom, whats your view?"

Yes, it can will be my first response. It needs restructuring and cutting out bureaucracy and personnels who do nothing but with portfolios. These said, I am hoping the aim of the government is not to convert it into the American system. That would be absolutely awful and ordinary citizens would bear the brunt.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I'm no expert so I maybe wrong , but from what i can see it's more a case of it simply can't cope with the amount of people that use it . Chucking money at it isn't the eternal cure . I'm fairly sure they try their best but it's buckling under the strain of ...

1. People are living longer

2. Too many people not giving a shit about their personal health

3. Health Tourism ( it is a problem it's no use being PC about it as we know it's true )

4. Simply not enough hospitals or staff to cope

As I said I'm no expert but from an outsiders view that seems to be the issues ."

Good enough. So in simple terms, raise taxes or restrict services. But that's not what I would call reform.

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By *immerman100Man
over a year ago

Never never land

Great fan of NHS it needs more money to cope but as time goes by the bigger the strain comes due to greater demand from all sectors

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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago

my own little sanctuary


"

Agree with all that, but they seem to be symptoms of chronic underfunding / too much demand placed on it by people who don't take personal responsibility for their health."

Last time I went to the hospital I had an abscess in my ear that burst, it would’ve gone into my head and given me meningitis. Nonetheless I was sat there in a&e for six hours before I they triaged me. They wanted me to go home and see my gp after the weekend to get it drained. Meanwhile there were people just kicking up a fuss because they may or may not have sprained their ankle. I know that it hurts and all that but I think the a&e departments need to be taught how to prioritize a little better because any issue with someone’s head or chest should be seen way before a sore ankle in my opinion. Much as they did in the war, if people were screaming they could wait. The quiet ones were usually in far worse condition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saved from what. Is it going extinct?

It is mismanaged too big to operate effectively lacks accountability and is subject to continued political meddling by all parties.

When it ceases to be a political football is given a proper mandate and funding and ceases to hide it's mistakes and failings operates beyond its own fantasy world that it can do no wrong and the answer to every problem is give it more money...then maybe it will become what it should be...

But the political establishment inside and outside the NHS will always fight against that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really does need saving. Mainly our nurses. We are one of the only countries in the world where the Nurses do so much. In most countries, what a Nurse does, a NA does here. Nurses have more and more responsibilites every year as the NHS make cuts, but do not pay our nurses any more, and work them down to the bone

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The NHS is the only edifice of the 1945-50 reconstruction of Britain and the antidote to the five great wants of the 1930s still standing.

Nationalised industry - scrapped.

Council housing - as good as gone.

Social security - a noble concept wrecked by policy reversals elsewhere (eg full employment through nationalised industry).

State education - eroded.

Health.

Every pillar of the 1945 consensus about a welfare state destroyed from 1979 onwards.

Except one.

Now run by a politician who is on record as being ideologically opposed to state healthcare.

Of course the NHS can prosper. But not when it is the hands of people who see it as the last bastion of socialism but are too afraid of being kicked out of power if they try to scrap it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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3. Health Tourism ( it is a problem it's no use being PC about it as we know it's true ) "

Hmm. The figure for this is put at 0.3% of the NHS budget. Well worth saving, but hardly one of the major causes of the NHS's woes. And the government has already put measures into place to combat it.

'Not being PC' should not mean 'focusing disproportionally on an issue because it involves foreigners'

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


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3. Health Tourism ( it is a problem it's no use being PC about it as we know it's true )

Hmm. The figure for this is put at 0.3% of the NHS budget. Well worth saving, but hardly one of the major causes of the NHS's woes. And the government has already put measures into place to combat it.

'Not being PC' should not mean 'focusing disproportionally on an issue because it involves foreigners' "
No it's not. It's you picking up on just 1 of my points . I have not put the blame entirely on this point , but you have chosen to make an issue of it , not me .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be, but this current government won't do it. Are they still running on windows 95? I know someone who works in customer support for software programs that are mainly used for health services, both public and private, and he told me their operating systems are twenty years out of date. It shows how much the government wants the NHS to fail by how they have managed not to update their computers from so long ago.

As for people getting older etc, the thing is that if we had a better running healthcare system, more people could get the help they need sooner and more efficiently, which means that people who are laid up and not able to work can be seen, brought back to good health, and be able to go back to working, thus paying taxes and pumping money back into the economy, which means more money for the NHS

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"It can be, but this current government won't do it. Are they still running on windows 95? I know someone who works in customer support for software programs that are mainly used for health services, both public and private, and he told me their operating systems are twenty years out of date. It shows how much the government wants the NHS to fail by how they have managed not to update their computers from so long ago.

As for people getting older etc, the thing is that if we had a better running healthcare system, more people could get the help they need sooner and more efficiently, which means that people who are laid up and not able to work can be seen, brought back to good health, and be able to go back to working, thus paying taxes and pumping money back into the economy, which means more money for the NHS"

That's an old arguement and doesn't stand up to the facts. In reality, the vast majority of NHS costs are end of life care and treating working age people that are out of work is tiny.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


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Agree with all that, but they seem to be symptoms of chronic underfunding / too much demand placed on it by people who don't take personal responsibility for their health.

Last time I went to the hospital I had an abscess in my ear that burst, it would’ve gone into my head and given me meningitis. Nonetheless I was sat there in a&e for six hours before I they triaged me. They wanted me to go home and see my gp after the weekend to get it drained. Meanwhile there were people just kicking up a fuss because they may or may not have sprained their ankle. I know that it hurts and all that but I think the a&e departments need to be taught how to prioritize a little better because any issue with someone’s head or chest should be seen way before a sore ankle in my opinion. Much as they did in the war, if people were screaming they could wait. The quiet ones were usually in far worse condition."

I do agree with this point. But getting to a GP is basically impossible. 2 week wait minimum in my area. I can't actually think of a ailment that I could wait 2 weeks to treat, totally pointless.

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over a year ago

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

No... you might aswell start saying goodbye... I give it 5-10 years

If people didn’t abuse the system and the government stopped making cuts and started to actually support the nhs rather than basically force it to break them it might never have been in the situation that it is currently in.

I don’t think the public have much choice in what will happen in the future.... but privatisation is not a good thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was watching question time yesterday, it was interesting, it needs a total reform from top to bottom, whats your view?"

It can be if the government focuses on it like they do the military

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Care UK seem to be doing very well out of the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is people over look when the NHS was started , it was only capable of minor care compared to today's heart transplants to name one, and all the care products in the modern world that is taken for granted , like dialysis etc I'd make people pay for boob jobs just as an example let alone other cosmetics.

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin


"The thing is people over look when the NHS was started , it was only capable of minor care compared to today's heart transplants to name one, and all the care products in the modern world that is taken for granted , like dialysis etc I'd make people pay for boob jobs just as an example let alone other cosmetics. "

People do pay for boob jobs lol

The only ones provided on the nhs are for reconstruction after mastectomy’s for cancer patients (which are deserved to be fair) and reductions for ladies wih breast so proportionately large that they suffer with chronic back pain and spinal problems. Both are given as a medical reason not purely for cosmetic reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with faith to fight for it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"The thing is people over look when the NHS was started , it was only capable of minor care compared to today's heart transplants to name one, and all the care products in the modern world that is taken for granted , like dialysis etc I'd make people pay for boob jobs just as an example let alone other cosmetics. "

This is a myth that our glorious media revels in, fuelling people's prejudice.

The NHS does not carry out cosmetic surgery.

Plastic surgery, be it facial reconstruction or breast reconstruction, is carried out only in cases where it is deemed essential to the patient's wellbeing.

The connection between body disfigurement and mental distress is understood by most reasonable people.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..

I believe it can and I hope it does. Have you seen the alternatives out there? We really don’t know how lucky we are.

There appears to be so many issues from people turning up at the out of hours clinic when you could wait until the following day and go to the doctors through to pharmaceutical companies taking advantage with their extortionate cost, and a whole host of things inbetween. Whatever the issues, we have an NHS worth fighting but it’s not a bottomless pot, we can’t keep expecting it to cope with the numbers and we way we access it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss."

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

"

There's also no such thing as "free". It's not free, it's pre-paid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is not enough funding and a shortage of nurses and doctors! Was in hospital nearly a month a bit back and it was that understaffed the nurses had best/bibs on saying not to disturb them as they were doing the drug rounds- if anyone needed help toileting or just help to turn over in bed they’d shot it for biggest part of an hour until nurses had done everybody’s meds on the ward! Nights were the worst as only had approximately 4 staff to 1 ward! If something isn’t done then think nhs is screwed and it will all be privatised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For years they have been saying that NHS has a spending problem and now they are giving it more funding

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston


"

Agree with all that, but they seem to be symptoms of chronic underfunding / too much demand placed on it by people who don't take personal responsibility for their health.

Last time I went to the hospital I had an abscess in my ear that burst, it would’ve gone into my head and given me meningitis. Nonetheless I was sat there in a&e for six hours before I they triaged me. They wanted me to go home and see my gp after the weekend to get it drained. Meanwhile there were people just kicking up a fuss because they may or may not have sprained their ankle. I know that it hurts and all that but I think the a&e departments need to be taught how to prioritize a little better because any issue with someone’s head or chest should be seen way before a sore ankle in my opinion. Much as they did in the war, if people were screaming they could wait. The quiet ones were usually in far worse condition."

Are you medically trained and have you ever worked in A&E?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is not enough funding and a shortage of nurses and doctors! Was in hospital nearly a month a bit back and it was that understaffed the nurses had best/bibs on saying not to disturb them as they were doing the drug rounds- if anyone needed help toileting or just help to turn over in bed they’d shot it for biggest part of an hour until nurses had done everybody’s meds on the ward! Nights were the worst as only had approximately 4 staff to 1 ward! If something isn’t done then think nhs is screwed and it will all be privatised "

The bibs are to stop them being disturbed to reduce medication errors its protected time. Nothing to do with understaffing its for saftey. And it works.

The infrastructure needs updating of the NHS.

Its political suicide for anyone who changes the NHS because the public live it so much so become irrational and emotive about any changes.

People do abuse the NHS. The same as people waste the the of GPs. Lets face the NHS includes dentists and GPs too and community teams. Not just hospitals. Missed appoitnments cost a fortune a year.

The public need to open there eyes and see they are also part of the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS is a self defeating institution. It's ideals are great but it's doomed to failure. Apart from being a public sector organisation (I use organisation very loosely), and therefore riddled with middle and upper management incompetency and a sprinkling of corruption, it can't survive because of,ironically, advances in medicine. As it becomes possible to treat illnesses and extend life, particularly the latter, there is more demand for these treatments and the costs outstrip the funding. There will come a point when govt., any govt., will say we can't provide money at the rate you are spending it. What then? A lot of treatment is already outsourced to the private sector. I feel sorry for those that work tirelessly within, especially ward staff, and I've seen it on and off over the last 40 odd years. It's dying on it's arse.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The NHS is a self defeating institution. It's ideals are great but it's doomed to failure. Apart from being a public sector organisation (I use organisation very loosely), and therefore riddled with middle and upper management incompetency and a sprinkling of corruption, it can't survive because of,ironically, advances in medicine. As it becomes possible to treat illnesses and extend life, particularly the latter, there is more demand for these treatments and the costs outstrip the funding. There will come a point when govt., any govt., will say we can't provide money at the rate you are spending it. What then? A lot of treatment is already outsourced to the private sector. I feel sorry for those that work tirelessly within, especially ward staff, and I've seen it on and off over the last 40 odd years. It's dying on it's arse."

Yup, 40% of the current spend goes on people over 65, who currently represent 18% of the population. By 2039 they will represent 23% of the population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No within 20 yrs we will be like the states or greece one or the other

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"No within 20 yrs we will be like the states or greece one or the other"

No we won't be like the fucking states. Absolutely nobody is interested in that, it's a shit system that doesn't rank well internationally. Ours is ok, there are many systems that rank better than ours. Why does nobody ever panic that taxes might rise and we'd have the French system?

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By *mwstaffsMan
over a year ago

brownhills

It can be saved but needs to be looked at for efficiency and better use of resources , I have been using it a lot in past 2 years and have seen shocking things , like prescribed dressings being thrown away even when they are unopened and therefore still sterile or overhearing a nurse saying how they loved a night shift because they get work done in 2 hours and then sleep the rest of shift or nurses not coming and people sitting in own shit for hours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS saved my life ....I would be bankrupt and destitute if I had had to pay for my cancer treatment so I say long may it live!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No within 20 yrs we will be like the states or greece one or the other

No we won't be like the fucking states. Absolutely nobody is interested in that, it's a shit system that doesn't rank well internationally. Ours is ok, there are many systems that rank better than ours. Why does nobody ever panic that taxes might rise and we'd have the French system? "

Never said i wanted thst but at the rate the govenment are selling it off it will be

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"No within 20 yrs we will be like the states or greece one or the other

No we won't be like the fucking states. Absolutely nobody is interested in that, it's a shit system that doesn't rank well internationally. Ours is ok, there are many systems that rank better than ours. Why does nobody ever panic that taxes might rise and we'd have the French system?

Never said i wanted thst but at the rate the govenment are selling it off it will be"

Why does that make it more like the American system than a system where there is private care provided by a mandatory, state-backed insurance system?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The NHS saved my life ....I would be bankrupt and destitute if I had had to pay for my cancer treatment so I say long may it live! "

How much was the treatment worth (ballpark figure)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The NHS saved my life ....I would be bankrupt and destitute if I had had to pay for my cancer treatment so I say long may it live!

How much was the treatment worth (ballpark figure)? "

Ooh not sure 100's of thousands...I had 3 ops...6 lots of chemo and 20 of radiotherapy...plus the scans and drugs I had ....

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The NHS saved my life ....I would be bankrupt and destitute if I had had to pay for my cancer treatment so I say long may it live!

How much was the treatment worth (ballpark figure)?

Ooh not sure 100's of thousands...I had 3 ops...6 lots of chemo and 20 of radiotherapy...plus the scans and drugs I had ...."

Well that's good anyway - that the system worked for you (not that you got cancer).

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Yes something needs to change. Missed appointments for example - everyone should be made aware how much it costs if you miss an appointment, x-ray, test, etc.

I temped for 10 weeks. A patient had missed an x-ray and CT scan at a cost of £1500. Patient had memory loss so only to be expected that they may forget their appointment.

Another didn’t get taken because the Patient Transfer crew came during the protected lunch break. This was told to them when it was booked. So x-ray and CT had to be cancelled as well as the crew to pick up the patient. No doubt the cost for that would be about £2000.

If you multiply just one incident like that per week that amounts to £104,000 per year now multiply that by even 20 hospitals and you have £2,080,000. GP appointments are roughly £65 and my hospital appointment is £135 if missed.

I wonder how much it costs the NHS on missed appointments alone!

It would certainly pay for more staff and beds!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

One thing that continues to amaze me is why there is no centralised buying and distribution hub for the NHS. Each trust is left to fend for itself, buying everything it needs on the open market, with some staggering differences in prices from everything like rubber gloves to beds and x-ray equipment.

Surely if they all got their heads together, and bought in bulk, from the best (not always the cheapest) supplier, the savings alone would pay for storage and transport?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Of course - chuck billions of £'s at it and tax people! Said both leading parties.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

"

Seriously?

I doubt if anyone running a Mcd's is on anywhere near 50k, let alone 100k a year.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

Seriously?

I doubt if anyone running a Mcd's is on anywhere near 50k, let alone 100k a year."

Try $21.8m for the CEO of McDonald's.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

On the occasions I have had to call 999 or go to A&E for my self or family the NHS has been great some of the Doctor’s and Nurse have looked out on their feet through the stress and the long shift but have always done there best for me.I do think that perhaps they should consider charging these idiots that get so d*unk that they fall over injure themselves and call 999 or get into fights after getting d*unk.As mentioned in previous posts there are many people that go for the most minor of things and health tourism.Ask the Doctor’s and Nursrs what is needed give them what they need as I feel the NHS is worth fighting for.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

Seriously?

I doubt if anyone running a Mcd's is on anywhere near 50k, let alone 100k a year.

Try $21.8m for the CEO of McDonald's. "

Yes, but I said "a McDs", not the entire company.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"The average McDonald's salary ranges from approximately £8,963 per year for Fast Food Attendant to £42,500 per year for Operations Consultant. Average McDonald's hourly pay ranges from approximately £6.70 per hour for Customer Care Specialist to £8.62 per hour for Assistant Store Manager."

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

So an assistant manager is on less than 20k, guessing a manager is on less than 30k.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Needs to change. Scrap all desk managers.

Stop the waste( work for a company who gets paid alot to pick up what they a class as scrap usually equipment that has nothing wrong worth thousands working perfectly)

No payouts for compensation. NHS is free so shouldn't be able to sue

No wages higher than 100k a year. Including boss.

Lolol the third largest employer in the world and there is no need for managers lololol

And those who are left should be earning the same as someone running a McDonalds burger bar.

Lol Chaos.

Seriously?

I doubt if anyone running a Mcd's is on anywhere near 50k, let alone 100k a year.

Try $21.8m for the CEO of McDonald's.

Yes, but I said "a McDs", not the entire company."

But I don't understand the comparison. The Chief Executive of NHS England is on £190k, are you suggesting that role isn't needed or it should be paid £50k?

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over a year ago


"There is not enough funding and a shortage of nurses and doctors! Was in hospital nearly a month a bit back and it was that understaffed the nurses had best/bibs on saying not to disturb them as they were doing the drug rounds- if anyone needed help toileting or just help to turn over in bed they’d shot it for biggest part of an hour until nurses had done everybody’s meds on the ward! Nights were the worst as only had approximately 4 staff to 1 ward! If something isn’t done then think nhs is screwed and it will all be privatised

The bibs are to stop them being disturbed to reduce medication errors its protected time. Nothing to do with understaffing its for saftey. And it works.

The infrastructure needs updating of the NHS.

Its political suicide for anyone who changes the NHS because the public live it so much so become irrational and emotive about any changes.

People do abuse the NHS. The same as people waste the the of GPs. Lets face the NHS includes dentists and GPs too and community teams. Not just hospitals. Missed appoitnments cost a fortune a year.

The public need to open there eyes and see they are also part of the issue. "

They were very understaffed, I was told as got to know them quite well and really felt for them! Being there nearly a month we were all on first name terms and I got to see the person behind the uniform stressing because they were only a few nurses on the ward and some felt bad as had to ring in sick when they were ill - knowing that the hospital is understaffed already and knowing that there would be only 4 nurses on their ward running around like headless chickens!

People have to remember the nurses and drs go above and beyond their duties as well as go home to their own families and start again!

People also need to look at themselves and think is this really an emergency?

I take my hat off to everyone that helped me as they got me down for an emergency operation after having an mri and saving me being paralysed!

I just think something needs to be done to help save the nhs or it’ll just sink and then we’ll have to have a private health service

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over a year ago

What I can never get my head round is how is is proven the NHS is cheaper than private systems to the country, for many complex reasons, and yet the government are obsessed with saving money on this. It's a false economy to scrimp on health care because all that will happen is that more people will end up on benefits and the cost of caring only for the poor will go up exponentially as private companies whack up the prices of everything. The hardest hit will be the middle lower classes who don't qualify for any help but would struggle to find £50 to visit a gp or £500 for a scan. More people will put off seeking help.

The NHS could be saved and work well but to start with the people have to want to save it. They have to do more than just moan. So many health professionals warn about new legislation and how damaging it could be yet people don't go out in enough numbers to protest. They don't take it seriously until after it has already happened then say oh how can that have happened?

The NHS isn't really too big as the foundation system means each trust is a separate company. It means when chronic underfunding makes a hospital go bust they go under with all of their debt seperatly and take other area with it. It also means the government don't have to bail hospitals out. It is being killed off by the back door. Take a trust- underfund it- order it to spend money it doesn't have- when it goes bust stick the job out to tender and hey pesto, privatisation and no one even noticed. They are too busy being kept distracted by the propergander that unnessecary a&e visits are the cause (which while they do cost money, in the grand scheme of things are pretty insignificant)

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over a year ago


"One thing that continues to amaze me is why there is no centralised buying and distribution hub for the NHS. Each trust is left to fend for itself, buying everything it needs on the open market, with some staggering differences in prices from everything like rubber gloves to beds and x-ray equipment.

Surely if they all got their heads together, and bought in bulk, from the best (not always the cheapest) supplier, the savings alone would pay for storage and transport?"

This is a good example of achieving privatisation by the back door. Also one of the reasons for this is that apparently it would be unfair for one organisation to have so much buying power and therefore detrimental to the free markets and capitalist economy.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"In a word NO!!

And that’s with over 20 years working for the bloody awful establishment! "

I would disagree. The fate of the NHS largely rests with the political will and financial means to solve its problems. I've worked throughout the UK as a locum for multiple trusts and problems vary from trust to trust from moderate to severe. No system is perfect, but on the whole the NHS works relatively well and the dedication of most of its staff is undeniable. I've lived in three different countries and can safely say the NHS is far from perfect, but much better than what other nations have

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over a year ago

After working in the NHS off and on for years and having 3 family members who are all front-line NHS workers, we agreed that the NHS really isn’t run efficiently. They pay bank staff, contract people in, pay consultantancy staff ridiculous wages each day. We saw our trust losing tens of thousands each week through inefficiency. Unfortunately, the cuts in services mean the NHS is picking up much of the slack.

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over a year ago

The NHS like many other organisations needs some good managers.It should be subject to an all party investigation to decide it's future.We must be tough with people coming to this country and not give them free treatment until they have been contributing for 20 years. In the meantime, condition of entry would require them to have private medical insurance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree and same here

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"The NHS like many other organisations needs some good managers.It should be subject to an all party investigation to decide it's future.We must be tough with people coming to this country and not give them free treatment until they have been contributing for 20 years. In the meantime, condition of entry would require them to have private medical insurance."

Are you aware of how ludicrous that sounds? The moment someone is contributing and paying into a system they should have access to its services. Should the one million brits that live abroad in europe and have access to the local NHS be treated any differently?

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over a year ago

On the news they said they will do a host of further cuts on operations.

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