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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Not intended to be a depressing post!!

Just a topic I'm interested in hearing people's opinions!

I'm aware there is already trials within the NHS but...

Which would you have?

Is cannabis oil/CBD medicated cannabis something you'd consider?

Do you think there is already a cure for cancer but it's kept under wraps??

Discuss if interested....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There have now been hundreds of peer-reviewed clinical trials of cannabis oil that have proven that it stops cancer growth and reverses it. In a lot of cases, it cures it completely.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason the GMC aren’t backing it is from an ethical standpoint, not an evidence-based one, and should I be unfortunate enough to be in a position to have to consider this, I would be genuinely torn as to what to do.

Working in medicine myself, you see so many cases where you have to weight up the ethical implications of treatment against the medical benefits that it’s almost impossible at times.

A very interesting thread topic!!

Mrs x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

After having had chemo I can honestly say it was just as nasty as the cancer.

If cannabis had been available at the time I would have tried that first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it. "

I’d be interested to read that, if you can remember where you read it? Usually chemo is targeted therapy, so shouldn’t be offered unless it’s specific and likely to be beneficial. Any information like this would be really handy, if you could direct me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After having had chemo I can honestly say it was just as nasty as the cancer.

If cannabis had been available at the time I would have tried that first. "

I’m truly sorry to hear that you have had to go through this. Chemo truly can be a terrible treatment. I hope you’re okay now! Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a cynic, no diseases will ever be 'cured'.

Why? Because there's no money in cures for the pharmaceutical companies. There is however, billions of £'s in medicines to help you 'cope with it'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all depends on the cancer and severity but after years working with people that had undergone chemo to be told they are terminal and the pain and issues from having the chemo out weighed that of the cancer well they would have to be pretty sure of my chances before I would ever consider chemo.

I don't know enough about cannabis oil to say either way.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

We tried both ...... but nothing worked ...Cancer won

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"After having had chemo I can honestly say it was just as nasty as the cancer.

If cannabis had been available at the time I would have tried that first.

I’m truly sorry to hear that you have had to go through this. Chemo truly can be a terrible treatment. I hope you’re okay now! Xx"

I'm fine now thank you.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

I believe there's cures for certain cancers but it's not cost effective to implement them I don't think any natural drug should be regulated at all

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"There have now been hundreds of peer-reviewed clinical trials of cannabis oil that have proven that it stops cancer growth and reverses it. In a lot of cases, it cures it completely.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason the GMC aren’t backing it is from an ethical standpoint, not an evidence-based one, and should I be unfortunate enough to be in a position to have to consider this, I would be genuinely torn as to what to do.

Working in medicine myself, you see so many cases where you have to weight up the ethical implications of treatment against the medical benefits that it’s almost impossible at times.

A very interesting thread topic!!

Mrs x"

Thank you!

I'm a firm believer that there is evidence that proves cannabis is a cure along with things like the Blushwood Berry I think it's called - a plant from Australia. I'm not fully aware of what evidence there is, but I'm open to scientific proof it cures cancer.

I myself would probably give cannabis/Berry a try before Chemo!

My opinion is it's probably more ethical from the Dr's perspective but at government/pharamacuetical level - it's being greedy.

Now trials are taking place, I think the gov. are having to introduce trials because people are using it anyway!

(Welcome to my scatty mind )

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it. "

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work???

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I'm a cynic, no diseases will ever be 'cured'.

Why? Because there's no money in cures for the pharmaceutical companies. There is however, billions of £'s in medicines to help you 'cope with it'."

Im kinda here!!

Powers that be can not rule if we can cure ourselves! (Maybe)??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I’d be interested to read that, if you can remember where you read it? Usually chemo is targeted therapy, so shouldn’t be offered unless it’s specific and likely to be beneficial. Any information like this would be really handy, if you could direct me x"

It's on the naked scientist website. I Googled ineffective chemo, or try is chemotherapy useless.

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

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By *al01Man
over a year ago

solihull

Ive been using the oils for iver a year now and can honestly say its worked for me.

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"We tried both ...... but nothing worked ...Cancer won "

Sorry to read this xx

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"After having had chemo I can honestly say it was just as nasty as the cancer.

If cannabis had been available at the time I would have tried that first.

I’m truly sorry to hear that you have had to go through this. Chemo truly can be a terrible treatment. I hope you’re okay now! Xx

I'm fine now thank you. "

Glad to read your doing well!! Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After having had chemo I can honestly say it was just as nasty as the cancer.

If cannabis had been available at the time I would have tried that first.

I’m truly sorry to hear that you have had to go through this. Chemo truly can be a terrible treatment. I hope you’re okay now! Xx

I'm fine now thank you. "

Really glad to hear it! Cx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We tried both ...... but nothing worked ...Cancer won "

I’m so sorry to hear this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work??? "

The article talked about how chemo affects healthy cells and that it causes the cancer cells to become resistant and turning into super cancer cells. I have only read excerpts and a few differening opinions on it so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There have now been hundreds of peer-reviewed clinical trials of cannabis oil that have proven that it stops cancer growth and reverses it. In a lot of cases, it cures it completely.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason the GMC aren’t backing it is from an ethical standpoint, not an evidence-based one, and should I be unfortunate enough to be in a position to have to consider this, I would be genuinely torn as to what to do.

Working in medicine myself, you see so many cases where you have to weight up the ethical implications of treatment against the medical benefits that it’s almost impossible at times.

A very interesting thread topic!!

Mrs x

Thank you!

I'm a firm believer that there is evidence that proves cannabis is a cure along with things like the Blushwood Berry I think it's called - a plant from Australia. I'm not fully aware of what evidence there is, but I'm open to scientific proof it cures cancer.

I myself would probably give cannabis/Berry a try before Chemo!

My opinion is it's probably more ethical from the Dr's perspective but at government/pharamacuetical level - it's being greedy.

Now trials are taking place, I think the gov. are having to introduce trials because people are using it anyway!

(Welcome to my scatty mind ) "

I like your scatty mind! A good, deep, intellectual conversation is much needed on here now and again!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There have now been hundreds of peer-reviewed clinical trials of cannabis oil that have proven that it stops cancer growth and reverses it. In a lot of cases, it cures it completely.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason the GMC aren’t backing it is from an ethical standpoint, not an evidence-based one, and should I be unfortunate enough to be in a position to have to consider this, I would be genuinely torn as to what to do.

Working in medicine myself, you see so many cases where you have to weight up the ethical implications of treatment against the medical benefits that it’s almost impossible at times.

A very interesting thread topic!!

Mrs x

Thank you!

I'm a firm believer that there is evidence that proves cannabis is a cure along with things like the Blushwood Berry I think it's called - a plant from Australia. I'm not fully aware of what evidence there is, but I'm open to scientific proof it cures cancer.

I myself would probably give cannabis/Berry a try before Chemo!

My opinion is it's probably more ethical from the Dr's perspective but at government/pharamacuetical level - it's being greedy.

Now trials are taking place, I think the gov. are having to introduce trials because people are using it anyway!

(Welcome to my scatty mind ) "

Well, the PM's husband is making money out of it, so she should endorse it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work??? "

Oh I see! No, it can be a lot less effective with Stage 4 cancers, but not always, so often they feel that it is worth trying over doing nothing at all. But it is still balanced on best case for each particular patient and there is never a one-treatment-fits-all type approach to treatment, because each cancer varies so dramatically. Often with stage 4, the idea can be to extend time, rather than completely cure the disease. But sometimes it can cure it. Cancer is just so vast as a subject, it’s almost impossible.

I have read studies where people have just swapped to completely ‘clean eating’ and have gone from terminally diagnosed stage 4, to disease remission and completely clear for life, just from a change in diet!!!! How is that possible?! And that’s after the change in belief that sugar feeds cancer. (Which has now been proven as false). Just such a minefield. I think we’ve only scratched the surface of our knowledge!

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I believe there's cures for certain cancers but it's not cost effective to implement them I don't think any natural drug should be regulated at all"

Yes me too!

Although maybe regulated- I can see a sea of zombies ha.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"I believe there's cures for certain cancers but it's not cost effective to implement them I don't think any natural drug should be regulated at all

Yes me too!

Although maybe regulated- I can see a sea of zombies ha. "
pmsl yeah that's why I went for natural rather than super strains

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work???

The article talked about how chemo affects healthy cells and that it causes the cancer cells to become resistant and turning into super cancer cells. I have only read excerpts and a few differening opinions on it so far."

I have seen that there are some Chemo drugs though that have the ability to stop the growth of cancer cells.

Cancer cells as a rule have the ability to keep growing - they stop the cell from Apoptosis (cell suicide)

I have seen a person alive many years after he should have been gone!

Not saying this if all Chemo though!! But I do think some help.

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"There have now been hundreds of peer-reviewed clinical trials of cannabis oil that have proven that it stops cancer growth and reverses it. In a lot of cases, it cures it completely.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason the GMC aren’t backing it is from an ethical standpoint, not an evidence-based one, and should I be unfortunate enough to be in a position to have to consider this, I would be genuinely torn as to what to do.

Working in medicine myself, you see so many cases where you have to weight up the ethical implications of treatment against the medical benefits that it’s almost impossible at times.

A very interesting thread topic!!

Mrs x

Thank you!

I'm a firm believer that there is evidence that proves cannabis is a cure along with things like the Blushwood Berry I think it's called - a plant from Australia. I'm not fully aware of what evidence there is, but I'm open to scientific proof it cures cancer.

I myself would probably give cannabis/Berry a try before Chemo!

My opinion is it's probably more ethical from the Dr's perspective but at government/pharamacuetical level - it's being greedy.

Now trials are taking place, I think the gov. are having to introduce trials because people are using it anyway!

(Welcome to my scatty mind )

Well, the PM's husband is making money out of it, so she should endorse it. "

Really I wasn't aware of this! But you would think so eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We tried both ...... but nothing worked ...Cancer won "

God bless you x

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work???

Oh I see! No, it can be a lot less effective with Stage 4 cancers, but not always, so often they feel that it is worth trying over doing nothing at all. But it is still balanced on best case for each particular patient and there is never a one-treatment-fits-all type approach to treatment, because each cancer varies so dramatically. Often with stage 4, the idea can be to extend time, rather than completely cure the disease. But sometimes it can cure it. Cancer is just so vast as a subject, it’s almost impossible.

I have read studies where people have just swapped to completely ‘clean eating’ and have gone from terminally diagnosed stage 4, to disease remission and completely clear for life, just from a change in diet!!!! How is that possible?! And that’s after the change in belief that sugar feeds cancer. (Which has now been proven as false). Just such a minefield. I think we’ve only scratched the surface of our knowledge! "

Yes I saw this with one young man. He actually went to live in the depths of Mexico for the clean living after it coming back a 2nd time following Chemo!

He survived 2 yrs then passed away after returning home???

Yr right it's a minefield and one we'll probably not get to the bottom of!

Thanks for the discussion

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By *ilNdo OP   Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Ive been using the oils for iver a year now and can honestly say its worked for me. "

Good for you mate!! Keep doing what yr doing xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s becoming apparent that there are multi strands of cancer cells in one tumour- hence chemo can be hit and miss.

They now try to specifically target different cells with different treatments.

I firmly believe we’re only a decade away from multiple breakthroughs. Including soil bacteria, boiling it with microwaves and supercharging the immune system.

As for withholding cures- why? People would pay through the nose if it was a cast iron cure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article that said on certain cancers chemo is ineffective, but they still give it. After reading the article I became sceptical of accepting chemo if I was ever offered it.

I have seen it's ineffective in many cases, but I've seen it work also.

Question is....when they screen and find early - maybe it work then. But finding it end stage cancer- is it most ilikely not to work???

Oh I see! No, it can be a lot less effective with Stage 4 cancers, but not always, so often they feel that it is worth trying over doing nothing at all. But it is still balanced on best case for each particular patient and there is never a one-treatment-fits-all type approach to treatment, because each cancer varies so dramatically. Often with stage 4, the idea can be to extend time, rather than completely cure the disease. But sometimes it can cure it. Cancer is just so vast as a subject, it’s almost impossible.

I have read studies where people have just swapped to completely ‘clean eating’ and have gone from terminally diagnosed stage 4, to disease remission and completely clear for life, just from a change in diet!!!! How is that possible?! And that’s after the change in belief that sugar feeds cancer. (Which has now been proven as false). Just such a minefield. I think we’ve only scratched the surface of our knowledge!

Yes I saw this with one young man. He actually went to live in the depths of Mexico for the clean living after it coming back a 2nd time following Chemo!

He survived 2 yrs then passed away after returning home???

Yr right it's a minefield and one we'll probably not get to the bottom of!

Thanks for the discussion "

Wow- so sad, but so again just really leads me to want to know more! We’re missing something major here and I’m so keen to know what it is.

Thanks for such an interesting thread!! I’ve really enjoyed talking about all this xx

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By *LFB.Woman
over a year ago

Farnborough.

Chemo did nothing for my sister, didnt shrink the cancer, but it did affect her other organs due to it being a poison. She was told she had 4 years and even with chemo thats all she lived for. Cancer sucks...

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