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"Oh dear, someone's in trouble..." Bit hard for someone that's been dead for over half a century to get in trouble lol | |||
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"Oh dear, someone's in trouble..." No one is perfect and we are all uninformed  | |||
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"Oh dear, someone's in trouble... Bit hard for someone that's been dead for over half a century to get in trouble lol" They'll be tearing down his statues and stripping him of his honorary degrees through | |||
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"Also I believe those parts of his diary were written before he fled Germany, I believe that the treatment of the Jews in Germany and later how black people were treated in America changed his views and made him more open minded" Yeah, there's nothing quite like racism against yourself to make you realise that racism is bad, mkay | |||
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"Also I believe those parts of his diary were written before he fled Germany, I believe that the treatment of the Jews in Germany and later how black people were treated in America changed his views and made him more open minded Yeah, there's nothing quite like racism against yourself to make you realise that racism is bad, mkay" I'm not saying it was an acceptable though process to begin with, racism never is, but I'd rather have someone with some racist outlooks have their viewpoints changed than to stay with them, wouldn't you? | |||
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"Also I believe those parts of his diary were written before he fled Germany, I believe that the treatment of the Jews in Germany and later how black people were treated in America changed his views and made him more open minded Yeah, there's nothing quite like racism against yourself to make you realise that racism is bad, mkay I'm not saying it was an acceptable though process to begin with, racism never is, but I'd rather have someone with some racist outlooks have their viewpoints changed than to stay with them, wouldn't you? " Yeah, to be fair, every chinese person that I've spoken to can see the funny side of it too! Albert Einstein isn't such a big deal to Chinese people in the first place. | |||
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"It's all relative. " Nice reply PMSL | |||
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You just can't offend them! | |||
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"The most common response I've had from chinese people is "yeah the country was a bit shit in 1922"
You just can't offend them!"How many Chinese people do you know and have you just been texting all of them all morning about this? They might be too tired for this haha | |||
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"The most common response I've had from chinese people is "yeah the country was a bit shit in 1922"
You just can't offend them!
How many Chinese people do you know and have you just been texting all of them all morning about this? They might be too tired for this haha"Quite a lot! Xi Jinping is yet to release a statement on it though | |||
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"The most common response I've had from chinese people is "yeah the country was a bit shit in 1922"
You just can't offend them!
How many Chinese people do you know and have you just been texting all of them all morning about this? They might be too tired for this haha"Do people still text? Haven't you heard of WeChat? | |||
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"The most common response I've had from chinese people is "yeah the country was a bit shit in 1922"
You just can't offend them!
How many Chinese people do you know and have you just been texting all of them all morning about this? They might be too tired for this haha
Do people still text?
Haven't you heard of WeChat?"I thought wechat would be lit up this morning. Turns out there's a boat race going on and nobody really gives a fuck about this. | |||
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"Yeah, there's nothing quite like racism against yourself to make you realise that racism is bad, mkay" So you’d prefer it if nobody changed their mind and just carried on being racists? How wonderful that would be, although it would make telling ‘good’ people from ‘bad’ a lot easier. | |||
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"Yeah, there's nothing quite like racism against yourself to make you realise that racism is bad, mkay So you’d prefer it if nobody changed their mind and just carried on being racists? How wonderful that would be, although it would make telling ‘good’ people from ‘bad’ a lot easier." What's the evidence that he changed his mind about the chinese? | |||
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"I always wondered what the N stood for in E=NC2  "It's M, but what does the N in your equation stand for? | |||
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"It's all relative. " Excellent. | |||
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"I always wondered what the N stood for in E=NC2
It's M, but what does the N in your equation stand for? "N = Newton (mass x acceleration) But I don't think that's what he meant | |||
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"Sure look at how the English treats the EU & more or less the rest of the world. Its all relative to the times they lived in. " Fixed! | |||
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"He's going to be so embarrassed when he reads the paper over his morning laugenbrezel and kaffee. I hope he has a good publicist, what's Max Clifford doing these days? " Max Clifford is dead! | |||
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"If the Chinese/Asians aren't bothered then this is just another case of white people being offended for other races when they themselves aren't offended. " Yes it is. It's like if chinese scholar had visited London in 1940 and remarked "well that place is a bit of a shit hole" and "English people scurry underground like cockroaches". We'd be like "Yeah it was mate, sort of a reason for that!" | |||
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"One of his entries he said the Chinese were more automatons than people. Now I know in Britain there's huge diversity, there's diversity in Ireland too but if you look at the amount of Chinese people that work here you don't ever really see them outside of work, school or college. Although I'm from an area where there's not too many foreigners. It's a shit area where most people wouldn't live haha " The problem is, that's cultural at a point in time. So it's factually accurate to say that Chinese culture is very collectivist and doesn't encourage individual expression. It's ignorant to make a statement that suggests it's the people themselves and their genetics that are the reason. Besides humans are humans and even north koreans find ways to express themsleves, those ways as just more subtle to an outsider. I don't know what he said before it was translated and how nuanced it was though. | |||
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"I always wondered what the N stood for in E=NC2 "I don't get the joke  | |||
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"We are all, or will be victims of history & changing opinions & attitudes. As someone else mentioned not changing, ignoring evidence etc is the greatest problem. There is probably not a person in the world who has not held an opinion that they regret or has become dodgy, recognise, change & move on, apologise if necessary. Dead historical figures are in no position to defend themselves ... Note & move on celebrate their achievements for what they are." Exactly | |||
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"If the Chinese/Asians aren't bothered then this is just another case of white people being offended for other races when they themselves aren't offended. " Where are the white people who are 'offended'? I must have missed the marches and sign waving. It's just a mildly interesting story that got reported. There really isn't any drama. | |||
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"If the Chinese/Asians aren't bothered then this is just another case of white people being offended for other races when they themselves aren't offended. Where are the white people who are 'offended'? I must have missed the marches and sign waving. It's just a mildly interesting story that got reported. There really isn't any drama. " The bai zuo generally don't like the Chinese. The Chinese are a walking contradiction to the bai zuo philosophy that ethnic minorities need special privileges to succeed in a majority white country. | |||
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"If the Chinese/Asians aren't bothered then this is just another case of white people being offended for other races when they themselves aren't offended. Where are the white people who are 'offended'? I must have missed the marches and sign waving. It's just a mildly interesting story that got reported. There really isn't any drama. The bai zuo generally don't like the Chinese. The Chinese are a walking contradiction to the bai zuo philosophy that ethnic minorities need special privileges to succeed in a majority white country. " Ok grandad. Whatever you need to tell yourself to make a fuss about nothing... | |||
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"You’d be hard pushed to find someone in history who didn’t have flaws... " How do the white left decide which historic racists get their names dropped (colston hall) or statues taken down and which racists we just shrug and go "ah well they were all at it then" | |||
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"You’d be hard pushed to find someone in history who didn’t have flaws... How do the white left decide which historic racists get their names dropped (colston hall) or statues taken down and which racists we just shrug and go "ah well they were all at it then"" You should ask Google. | |||
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"This isn't really racism though, is it?" Assigning cultural factors to gentic ones is racist, yes. | |||
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"This isn't really racism though, is it? Assigning cultural factors to gentic ones is racist, yes." That's not really what he's doing though, is it? It's more making observations on the society at large. Storm in a teacup. Calling something racist that isn't really just diminishes the term and undermines attempts to tackle true racism | |||
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"This isn't really racism though, is it? Assigning cultural factors to gentic ones is racist, yes. That's not really what he's doing though, is it? It's more making observations on the society at large. Storm in a teacup. Calling something racist that isn't really just diminishes the term and undermines attempts to tackle true racism" When you say it's "a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races" then that's not a societal observation. Besides a societal observation is still racist if it's incorrect and prescribes culture to genetics. For example, it is racist to say "black Americans are criminals". Rather than "criminal risk factors are more likely to effect black Americans". | |||
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"I don't see that it *is* ascribing culture to genetics though. It's more ascribing culture to culture. He doesn't try and claim the Chinese were born a certain way, or that it was their genetics that made them a certain way - it's just an observation on the society. It's not like saying all black people are criminals, I think you've missed the target with that comparison. Admittedly, the comment about it being a shame if they took over the world smacks a little of racism, but it's (to my mind at least) more of a moan about the lack of imagination and creativity that they would bring rather than an actual dig at the people. You seem awfully keen to make this into something more than it needs to be - from what I've read (this thread was the first I'd heard of it) the comments are pretty innocuous" As i said, i couldn't find any chinese people who gave a fuck about it. But replace chinese with black and you'd be triggered to the nines. | |||
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"It's good to look at the hero and villains of history and then find people who can give a different point of view. And then work out why certain people are portrayed as heroes and others as villains." That's deep bro | |||
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" As i said, i couldn't find any chinese people who gave a fuck about it. But replace chinese with black and you'd be triggered to the nines. " I personally wouldn't, but I think you raise an interesting point. For some reason, whatever that may be, racism directed towards black people is 'the worst', towards those from the Indian subcontinent not quite so bad, and towards Orientals is kinda okay. Obviously it's not - but this is how society reacts and behaves. There is an unspoken hierarchy of racism. It's odd... | |||
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" As i said, i couldn't find any chinese people who gave a fuck about it. But replace chinese with black and you'd be triggered to the nines. I personally wouldn't, but I think you raise an interesting point. For some reason, whatever that may be, racism directed towards black people is 'the worst', towards those from the Indian subcontinent not quite so bad, and towards Orientals is kinda okay. Obviously it's not - but this is how society reacts and behaves. There is an unspoken hierarchy of racism. It's odd..." Fuck me sideways, we do agree on some things! | |||
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" As i said, i couldn't find any chinese people who gave a fuck about it. But replace chinese with black and you'd be triggered to the nines. I personally wouldn't, but I think you raise an interesting point. For some reason, whatever that may be, racism directed towards black people is 'the worst', towards those from the Indian subcontinent not quite so bad, and towards Orientals is kinda okay. Obviously it's not - but this is how society reacts and behaves. There is an unspoken hierarchy of racism. It's odd... Fuck me sideways, we do agree on some things! " I'd say as well though, racism (casual, mainly) towards Orientals, while more socially acceptable, is far less prevalent. My theory is kinda that we don't stand out as much because our skin is pale, plus there's not that many of us, so we seem less threatening. Plus people like sweet and sour pork balls. But it doesn't really make much sense - many of the complaints people often raise; "they're illegal!" or "they don't integrate!" etc are just as applicable to Orientals, or certainly the Chinese, yet they don't seem to attract the same level of vitriol | |||
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"It was 1922 - 1923 ! We were still maintaining an empire , an ever growing carbuncle which we fed with the kind of behaviour that’s now looked at as being some of the worst in history . America still segregated blacks and whites . Women had only just got the right fo vote . Being gay was against the law , and they were often being murdered for their sexuality . And what he said was a minor slur in the way the Chinese looked and behaved . And they seem not to be bothered by it . So nor am I , it doesn’t change a thing for me with respect to how I feel about him ." It wasn't all bad back then. A well to do gentlemen would be expected to have a mistress or two. The economy was flipping fantastic and AIDs hadn't been invented yet | |||
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"It was 1922 - 1923 ! We were still maintaining an empire , an ever growing carbuncle which we fed with the kind of behaviour that’s now looked at as being some of the worst in history . America still segregated blacks and whites . Women had only just got the right fo vote . Being gay was against the law , and they were often being murdered for their sexuality . And what he said was a minor slur in the way the Chinese looked and behaved . And they seem not to be bothered by it . So nor am I , it doesn’t change a thing for me with respect to how I feel about him . It wasn't all bad back then. A well to do gentlemen would be expected to have a mistress or two. The economy was flipping fantastic and AIDs hadn't been invented yet" Good point  | |||
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