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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?"

Jokes are only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

Jokes are only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke

You’re joking

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

Jokes are only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke

C"

How does that work, though? If you had listened to Lost Voice guy's jokes without knowing who he was, or his disability, would his jokes still seem funny?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the set up was like 'the voice', he'd be booed and nobody would turn their chair around!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe because he had the best virtue of all in comedy...being able to laugh at himself, which his jokes were about unless I'm mistaken? No one else was the butt of the joke?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If the set up was like 'the voice', he'd be booed and nobody would turn their chair around!"

That's what I thought. Does it mean that people really enjoy offensive jokes, but have to get our "fix" from those who have the disability, ethnicity, size etc appropriate to the jokes they're making?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" Maybe because he had the best virtue of all in comedy...being able to laugh at himself, which his jokes were about unless I'm mistaken? No one else was the butt of the joke?"

Well, kind of - but his jokes could be taken as offensive to disabled people in general.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very many stand up comics make a lot of very offensive jokes at the expense of disabled and other groups. I went to see a comedian who called kids in special schools vegetables, he caught the look on my face (my daughter goes to a special school) he moved on swiftly.

I think with the guy who won BGT he was laughing at himself and was different so appealed to people. X XX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also dare I say....he got the sympathy vote too. XXX

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?"

When you do diversity training, they always point out that you can make a joke about anything in the world, as long as you know your audience. You have to know that the people you are telling it to will take it in the spirit it is intended.

The other crucial thing is understanding the difference between the subject of a joke, and the target of a joke. Generally, Lost Voice Guy’s jokes aren’t targeted at disabled people. Disabled people are the subject of the joke; the target is the preconceptions and prejudices that he faces.

If you look at the difference between the work of, say, Ricky Gervais and Jim Davidson. One makes racist jokes designed to mock people of a different race. The other makes racist jokes designed to mock the racist. Whether or not you like him or find him funny, there’s a reason why one is still in work.

There is also an element of who is telling the joke. It’s acceptable for me to call myself short, fat, red-faced and ugly, and make jokes about it. That doesn’t make it okay for a stranger walking down the street to make the same jokes.

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By *punkymonkey40Man
over a year ago

derby

What about chubby brown who offends just about everyone and still finds time to take the piss out of himself..but off stage he is not the same guy.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

When you do diversity training, they always point out that you can make a joke about anything in the world, as long as you know your audience. You have to know that the people you are telling it to will take it in the spirit it is intended.

The other crucial thing is understanding the difference between the subject of a joke, and the target of a joke. Generally, Lost Voice Guy’s jokes aren’t targeted at disabled people. Disabled people are the subject of the joke; the target is the preconceptions and prejudices that he faces.

If you look at the difference between the work of, say, Ricky Gervais and Jim Davidson. One makes racist jokes designed to mock people of a different race. The other makes racist jokes designed to mock the racist. Whether or not you like him or find him funny, there’s a reason why one is still in work.

There is also an element of who is telling the joke. It’s acceptable for me to call myself short, fat, red-faced and ugly, and make jokes about it. That doesn’t make it okay for a stranger walking down the street to make the same jokes."

That's a far too rational and intelligent response.

People just want to know if they can dig out their old 1970s jokes about [censored], [censored] and [censored].

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"What about chubby brown who offends just about everyone and still finds time to take the piss out of himself..but off stage he is not the same guy. "

He’s just a cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about chubby brown who offends just about everyone and still finds time to take the piss out of himself..but off stage he is not the same guy.

He’s just a cunt."

cunt is such a great word!

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By *punkymonkey40Man
over a year ago

derby


"

He’s just a cunt."

Not just a cunt he is a fat cunt lol

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jokes are extremely clever things. They're often only funny because they work on several levels and there's a friction. Ugly looking guy walks out on stage and the first thing he says is "so I've been trying to stop beautiful women from throwing themselves at me" and we chuckle. The words themselves aren't funny. A good looking guy doing it wouldn't be funny. It's the complex contradictions of everything that makes us laugh. Clever stuff. Same would be true for disability jokes etc. Stewart Lee could probably pull it off... But only because he'd subvert the whole thing and massively over egg it

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By *punkymonkey40Man
over a year ago

derby


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat."

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself "

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I used to love watching Bernard Manning , especially on his Gentleman’s evenings when there would be similar comedians and strippers . Oh those were the days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also dare I say....he got the sympathy vote too. XXX"

I got told off for a similar post!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I think that people who get offended by comedians are usually vunerable narcissists who don't have opinions that reasonable people should care about.

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character

Some comedians get away with offending few, and some comedians get away with offending none and just being funny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

Jokes are only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke

C

How does that work, though? If you had listened to Lost Voice guy's jokes without knowing who he was, or his disability, would his jokes still seem funny?"

His jokes wouldn't be funny regardless of who was telling them. He's shite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a joke, an attempt by a person to make somebody smile and laugh, sometimes they touch a nerve and occasionally they go over the line but I've never seen one delivered with nastiness for intent!.

I'm Irish and I've heard a million Irish jokes, I laughed at 1,250,000 of them

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character

All comedy has a victim or some sort of incongruity,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you do if an Irishman chucks a pin at you?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

He's very likeable. But i found his interview on 'this morning' funnier than his routine - holly willoughby couldn't time her questions properly and was awkward as hell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know 3 Michael Jackson jokes that are in bad taste but funny but I'm not sure if I should post them or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the set up was like 'the voice', he'd be booed and nobody would turn their chair around!

That's what I thought. Does it mean that people really enjoy offensive jokes, but have to get our "fix" from those who have the disability, ethnicity, size etc appropriate to the jokes they're making?"

This is what I hate about American comedy - there is no content beside race or religion for the most part.

Think of the stereotypical larger black diva making white people jokes who thinks she is somehow original and isn't a racist herself.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

When you do diversity training, they always point out that you can make a joke about anything in the world, as long as you know your audience. You have to know that the people you are telling it to will take it in the spirit it is intended.

The other crucial thing is understanding the difference between the subject of a joke, and the target of a joke. Generally, Lost Voice Guy’s jokes aren’t targeted at disabled people. Disabled people are the subject of the joke; the target is the preconceptions and prejudices that he faces.

If you look at the difference between the work of, say, Ricky Gervais and Jim Davidson. One makes racist jokes designed to mock people of a different race. The other makes racist jokes designed to mock the racist. Whether or not you like him or find him funny, there’s a reason why one is still in work.

There is also an element of who is telling the joke. It’s acceptable for me to call myself short, fat, red-faced and ugly, and make jokes about it. That doesn’t make it okay for a stranger walking down the street to make the same jokes."

Nailed it on the head for me!

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By *hornleeMan
over a year ago

Stockton on Tees

I remember Jimmy Carr saying during Afghan/Iraq when soldiers were coming home injured, that we would have the best Para Olympic team going. Let me say two things here ex forces just finished 28yrs not one person I knew was offended.Second behind the scenes Jimmy Carr does so much for the forces but dosent feel the need to talk about it. I believe his joke was intended for that specific group, which h is very clever comedy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!"

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others."
I don't rate him in general but one of his sketches was so simple yet one of the funniest things I've ever seen

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"It's a joke, an attempt by a person to make somebody smile and laugh, sometimes they touch a nerve and occasionally they go over the line but I've never seen one delivered with nastiness for intent!.

I'm Irish and I've heard a million Irish jokes, I laughed at 1,250,000 of them "

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are. "

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the set up was like 'the voice', he'd be booed and nobody would turn their chair around!

That's what I thought. Does it mean that people really enjoy offensive jokes, but have to get our "fix" from those who have the disability, ethnicity, size etc appropriate to the jokes they're making?

This is what I hate about American comedy - there is no content beside race or religion for the most part.

Think of the stereotypical larger black diva making white people jokes who thinks she is somehow original and isn't a racist herself. "
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Yea I see what you mean, I really do like Chris rock though, he gets near the knuckle but with very concise and well thought out observations

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself. "

So do you think Frankie Boyle is a paedophile then?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself. "

I don’t think that’s the case , and nor do I think that finding the racist / homophobic / disability jokes funny makes one racist or homophobic either .

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By *appyhumper123Man
over a year ago

hull

If you're going to see a comedian surly you know or at least find out what sort of material his jokes are going to be, if it's going to offend you, don't go, simples

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself.

So do you think Frankie Boyle is a paedophile then? "

No, no more than I think if I make a joke about rich people, it means I am rich.

The likes of Manning and Brown made their money by telling jokes that encourage and normalise racist prejudices. Most people wouldn't do that. If you are prepared to do that, it's more likely you share those prejudices rather than that you are anti racist and just engaged in some sort of performance art.

Use your favourite brand of razor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself.

So do you think Frankie Boyle is a paedophile then?

No, no more than I think if I make a joke about rich people, it means I am rich.

The likes of Manning and Brown made their money by telling jokes that encourage and normalise racist prejudices. Most people wouldn't do that. If you are prepared to do that, it's more likely you share those prejudices rather than that you are anti racist and just engaged in some sort of performance art.

Use your favourite brand of razor.

"

So what about Gervais repeatedly mocking r@pe, starving Africans, disabled people, AIDS. Jimmy Carr does the same, most comedians use cruel humour. Do you think this is their beliefs outwith their act? Of course it's not, nor is Brown's or Mannings.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Repeated failure to understand the difference between the subject of a joke and the target of a joke, in this thread. But the ones who can see and understand that difference are the stupid ones, obviously...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Repeated failure to understand the difference between the subject of a joke and the target of a joke, in this thread. But the ones who can see and understand that difference are the stupid ones, obviously..."

This is it, so many people fail to see the humour in comedy or in some jokes. They immediately see the offensive remarks. This is why lots of comedians find it hard with telling any observational jokes, your just treading on thin ice, and find yourself having to publicly apologise on a Monday morning.

I remember a sketch on tv where ‘goodness gracious me’ were in a chippy/cafe ordering fish and chips. Took the piss out of how white/English people order in an Indian restaurant. That was the first time I thought, it’s great how they can laugh at the way people are, regardless of avoiding it because of people’s differences. If you get what I mean.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I loved Bernard manning.....remember heckler shouting..’Get off you fat bastard “...manning replies...”No...get off you fat RICH bastard...took piss out of everbody...so no one felt left out !!!

Couldn't agree more.

The people who don't like or get offended by Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown are either too miserable or too stupid to understand that these guys are/were simply doing an act.

Delicate wee snowflakes that they are.

I venture to suggest that if you make your living by telling racist jokes, it's pretty likely you're a bit of a racist yourself.

So do you think Frankie Boyle is a paedophile then?

No, no more than I think if I make a joke about rich people, it means I am rich.

The likes of Manning and Brown made their money by telling jokes that encourage and normalise racist prejudices. Most people wouldn't do that. If you are prepared to do that, it's more likely you share those prejudices rather than that you are anti racist and just engaged in some sort of performance art.

Use your favourite brand of razor.

So what about Gervais repeatedly mocking r@pe, starving Africans, disabled people, AIDS. Jimmy Carr does the same, most comedians use cruel humour. Do you think this is their beliefs outwith their act? Of course it's not, nor is Brown's or Mannings. "

Manning was a racist, he swore blind he wasn't, then shortly after his death a programme was broad as that he had agreed to be made and then shown after his death. In it he admitted that he was racist and was saddened to see how his country had become move ethnically diverse over the years. If you weren't white and preferably British he didn't like you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others."

How then do you classify his audiences which must venture into the hundreds of thousands by now, who pay significant amounts of money to listen to laugh at these repugnant things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Repeated failure to understand the difference between the subject of a joke and the target of a joke, in this thread. But the ones who can see and understand that difference are the stupid ones, obviously...

This is it, so many people fail to see the humour in comedy or in some jokes. They immediately see the offensive remarks. This is why lots of comedians find it hard with telling any observational jokes, your just treading on thin ice, and find yourself having to publicly apologise on a Monday morning.

I remember a sketch on tv where ‘goodness gracious me’ were in a chippy/cafe ordering fish and chips. Took the piss out of how white/English people order in an Indian restaurant. That was the first time I thought, it’s great how they can laugh at the way people are, regardless of avoiding it because of people’s differences. If you get what I mean.

"

God I forgot about that sketch.

“Have something really bland! Have egg and chips!”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Repeated failure to understand the difference between the subject of a joke and the target of a joke, in this thread. But the ones who can see and understand that difference are the stupid ones, obviously...

This is it, so many people fail to see the humour in comedy or in some jokes. They immediately see the offensive remarks. This is why lots of comedians find it hard with telling any observational jokes, your just treading on thin ice, and find yourself having to publicly apologise on a Monday morning.

I remember a sketch on tv where ‘goodness gracious me’ were in a chippy/cafe ordering fish and chips. Took the piss out of how white/English people order in an Indian restaurant. That was the first time I thought, it’s great how they can laugh at the way people are, regardless of avoiding it because of people’s differences. If you get what I mean.

God I forgot about that sketch.

“Have something really bland! Have egg and chips!” "

that’s the one.

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By *ddibleMan
over a year ago

Exeter Bristol Salisbury

There was me hoping this thread was going to be a lot of people posting offensive jokes

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

Have seen many many comics around the world, from Frank Carson in a corporate do , hilarious and not a rude word spoken, to jimmy Carr , filthy and hilarious, too many names to mention at the Edinburgh fringe ranging from the utterly terrible to the brilliant. The superstar to the unknown

,Rik Mayal solo tour, Rowan Atkinson’s tour in the 80’s and Norman Wisdom as a boy in the late 60s

The common thread was that they were funny, and , if they weren’t, I didn’t go again.

I don’t find it complicated

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"If you get what I mean."

I’m not entirely sure I do. Tbh, given a couple of things you’ve said, I’m not entirely sure you got what I meant, either.


"How then do you classify his audiences which must venture into the hundreds of thousands by now, who pay significant amounts of money to listen to laugh at these repugnant things."

I don’t think I really need to answer that.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was me hoping this thread was going to be a lot of people posting offensive jokes

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Some people did try to make the most offensive joke ever. I think they failed miserably, to be offensive or funny, but go on YouTube and search for the aristocrats joke.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"I think that people who get offended by comedians are usually vunerable narcissists who don't have opinions that reasonable people should care about. "

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others."
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I bet you are a hell of a fun bloke to be around.....

What makes you laugh?

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

An individual of a particular religious faith frequently worshipped in middle eastern areas of the world, took his/her Passover lunch to eat outside in the park. He/she sat down on a bench and began eating.

A little while later a person who's sight was inflicted causing him/her some difficulties in seeing came by and sat down next to him/her.

Feeling neighborly, the individual of a religious kinship similar to those who worship in middle East and Arabic areas, who was eating passed a sheet of matzo to the visually impaired associate.

The person who was visually impaired ran his/her fingers over the matzo for a few minutes, looked puzzled, and finally exclaimed, “Who wrote this crap?”

This is how one joke might be relayed using the pc brigade's voice....

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By *rozacMan
over a year ago

london

A woman is sitting at her deceased husbands funeral. A man leans in and says "do you mind if i say a word?"

"No, go right ahead", the woman replies.

The man stands, clears his throat and says "plethora" then sits back down.

"Thank you so much!" The woman tearfully laughs, "that means a lot".

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I bet you are a hell of a fun bloke to be around.....

What makes you laugh?"

Lots of things make me laugh. Funny things make me laugh. Not finding racist arseholes funny doesn’t make me boring, but thanks for your input.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"I bet you are a hell of a fun bloke to be around.....

What makes you laugh?

Lots of things make me laugh. Funny things make me laugh. Not finding racist arseholes funny doesn’t make me boring, but thanks for your input."

Give us an example .....

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Why?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?"

His jokes didn't belittle disabled people.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If the set up was like 'the voice', he'd be booed and nobody would turn their chair around!

That's what I thought. Does it mean that people really enjoy offensive jokes, but have to get our "fix" from those who have the disability, ethnicity, size etc appropriate to the jokes they're making?"

His jokes weren't offensive.

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By *aturelover2016Man
over a year ago

London


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

His jokes didn't belittle disabled people."

He was bloody funny, as was the bloke who came second.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"What about chubby brown who offends just about everyone and still finds time to take the piss out of himself..but off stage he is not the same guy. "

Roy Chubby Brown is vulgar but not offensive.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

His jokes didn't belittle disabled people.

He was bloody funny, as was the bloke who came second. "

I think he was original and laughed with him but fail to see the longevity in his act.

Im not going to pay to watch a show of over an hour where I listen to a computer talking like a robot.

I'm glad he got the money. He's not THAT funny tho.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

His jokes didn't belittle disabled people.

He was bloody funny, as was the bloke who came second.

I think he was original and laughed with him but fail to see the longevity in his act.

Im not going to pay to watch a show of over an hour where I listen to a computer talking like a robot.

I'm glad he got the money. He's not THAT funny tho."

Exactly, I'd enjoy spending an evening in the pub with him. But i wouldn't buy a ticket to his stand up. Although if he was 1/5 acts at a comedy night then it would be fine.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"Why?"

Because that way you may be able to justify your rhetoric

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Why?

Because that way you may be able to justify your rhetoric "

What I find funny has got absolutely nothing to do with Roy Chubby Brown being a cunt. It’s like suggesting that my music tastes in any way justify saying that Gary Glitter is a paedophile.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Why?

Because that way you may be able to justify your rhetoric

What I find funny has got absolutely nothing to do with Roy Chubby Brown being a cunt. It’s like suggesting that my music tastes in any way justify saying that Gary Glitter is a paedophile."

The thing is that some people find word-play jokes funny. Those people would probably be happy to ban all the funny comedians and let comedy degenerate into a series of christmas cracker one liners.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

None of which has anything to do with RCB being a cunt.

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over a year ago

A joke about an awful thing or sad subject pretty much always doesn't support the awful thing that happened to that person it makes light of a terrible thing.Unless your a comic from the 70s just making fun of people .

We should laugh at shit things in life.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"An individual of a particular religious faith frequently worshipped in middle eastern areas of the world, took his/her Passover lunch to eat outside in the park. He/she sat down on a bench and began eating.

A little while later a person who's sight was inflicted causing him/her some difficulties in seeing came by and sat down next to him/her.

Feeling neighborly, the individual of a religious kinship similar to those who worship in middle East and Arabic areas, who was eating passed a sheet of matzo to the visually impaired associate.

The person who was visually impaired ran his/her fingers over the matzo for a few minutes, looked puzzled, and finally exclaimed, “Who wrote this crap?”

This is how one joke might be relayed using the pc brigade's voice...."

And it’s still bloody funny

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"None of which has anything to do with RCB being a cunt."

In your opinion.

In the opinion of many, he's as funny as fuck.

Humour, all humour is subjective, it's individual.

If you laugh it's funny, if you don't it's not.

It's really that simple.

And it doesn't matter how many times you call someone a cunt, it doesn't make them a cunt in anyone's eyes other than yours.

I'll give it about a dozen posts before you say Chubby Brown's a cunt again......

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"None of which has anything to do with RCB being a cunt.

In your opinion.

In the opinion of many, he's as funny as fuck.

Humour, all humour is subjective, it's individual.

If you laugh it's funny, if you don't it's not.

It's really that simple.

And it doesn't matter how many times you call someone a cunt, it doesn't make them a cunt in anyone's eyes other than yours.

I'll give it about a dozen posts before you say Chubby Brown's a cunt again......

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And it won’t make him any more of a cunt than he already is now in the eyes of those think he’s a cunt .

I don’t know RCB so I can’t comment on whether or not he’s a cunt . But I do think he’s funny and that’s good for me .

If someone were to convince me that RCB was a cunt , I’d then think he was a funny cunt , because he would still make me laugh . He wouldn’t stop being funny because he’s a cunt .

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Someone's getting a wee bit upset and defensive as usual on this thread!

It's almost as funny as Chubby Brown himself!

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Get over yourself, homophobia is side splitting levels of funny. They stick stuff up their arses. On purpose. It's a comedy gold mine.

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over a year ago


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born."
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That was in the late 70s early 80s though before society evolved to a point where we realised a joke about race or sex wasn't funny, modern comics still use race and sex but it's a bit more tactile and more about making you think about stereotypes.

I don't see any comics within the last ten probably more like twenty years who do those type of jokes?

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"That was in the late 70s early 80s though before society evolved to a point where we realised a joke about race or sex wasn't funny, modern comics still use race and sex but it's a bit more tactile and more about making you think about stereotypes."

Yes, they’ve used them as the subject of jokes, not the target of jokes. There’s nothing wrong with that. I’ve been making that point since the start of the thread.


"I don't see any comics within the last ten probably more like twenty years who do those type of jokes?"

There aren’t any that I know of. With good reason. I made that point at the start of the thread too.

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over a year ago


"That was in the late 70s early 80s though before society evolved to a point where we realised a joke about race or sex wasn't funny, modern comics still use race and sex but it's a bit more tactile and more about making you think about stereotypes.

Yes, they’ve used them as the subject of jokes, not the target of jokes. There’s nothing wrong with that. I’ve been making that point since the start of the thread.

I don't see any comics within the last ten probably more like twenty years who do those type of jokes?

There aren’t any that I know of. With good reason. I made that point at the start of the thread too."
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So what's the argument, that 40 years ago some comics used racist material?.

Probably but that's contextual, nobody thought it was racist at the time, I say nobody, I mean the vast majority, society moves on, just like comedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bernard Manning has been dead for like 12 years or so!.

Are you arguing that people shouldn't find his old humour offensive?

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Maybe read the thread, rather than asking me to explain it all to you.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"None of which has anything to do with RCB being a cunt.

In your opinion.

In the opinion of many, he's as funny as fuck.

Humour, all humour is subjective, it's individual.

If you laugh it's funny, if you don't it's not.

It's really that simple.

And it doesn't matter how many times you call someone a cunt, it doesn't make them a cunt in anyone's eyes other than yours.

I'll give it about a dozen posts before you say Chubby Brown's a cunt again......

And it won’t make him any more of a cunt than he already is now in the eyes of those think he’s a cunt .

I don’t know RCB so I can’t comment on whether or not he’s a cunt . But I do think he’s funny and that’s good for me .

If someone were to convince me that RCB was a cunt , I’d then think he was a funny cunt , because he would still make me laugh . He wouldn’t stop being funny because he’s a cunt ."

Agreed.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"Get over yourself, homophobia is side splitting levels of funny. They stick stuff up their arses. On purpose. It's a comedy gold mine. "

I really shouldnt but,

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born."

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

If you read, and understand, my post, at no point do I contradict myself. Laughing at a joke about lesbians doesn’t necessarily make you homophobic, it depends on the context of the joke; whether or not they are the subject or the target.

People don’t have to admit to being racist for the to clearly be racist. The three examples I have given have all, over the years, demonstrated their prejudices during interviews and their off-stage behaviour. To claim that they are/were not is either naive or deliberately obtuse.

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over a year ago

Humour is like sexuality, you have no control over what you find funny.

Stephen Fry said Bernard Manning had the best delivery of any comedian he had seen, but at the same time he strongly disliked what he said and what he stood for.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born."
Wow I must be 12 years old then

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over a year ago

I haven’t seen BGT this year but I am assuming ‘the snowflakes’ are complaining about him haven’t actually seen what he does and are jumping to their own conclusions based on his choice of t shirt (which I thought was funny).

I also think that some comedians get a bad wrap for some of their material based on people that hasn’t actually seen their act, they just heard about it and got offended (I mean granted the joke about Katie’s price son from Frankie Boyle was bad taste) but the people actually that heard it (and let’s face it, paid to go and see said act so assume they knew what they were in for) didn’t care in the slightest and probably laughed. I think it was the Andrew Sachs thing with Russell brand etc and all those complaints happen on the back of what was reported in the news and didn’t actually listen to what went on live on air (I don’t condone what those 2 did to that poor man by the way, I did listen to it afterwards and it was really bad taste), I’m sure there are other examples to be had, people getting offended by something they haven’t actually heard.

I do feel sorry for comedians these days, jokes that were funny even ten years ago but because of our complaining culture and having to be offended by everything might not be taken the same way today.

Geeky x

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

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At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist?

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist? "

I think it's widely accepted that he was a racist. And a bit of a cunt.

In the spirit of the thread title, he was a pretty shit comedian too.

(The threads about comedians)

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist?

I think it's widely accepted that he was a racist. And a bit of a cunt.

In the spirit of the thread title, he was a pretty shit comedian too.

(The threads about comedians)"

I was just picking up on your argument that someone is only racist as a matter of fact if they admit they are. That seems to me obviously wrong.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

There was a photo doing the rounds on Facebook showing Prince Charles surrounded by some black kids with the caption "Prince Charles and his grandkids".

I've yet to come across anyone black who didn't find that picture and caption funny. My white friends on the other hand...

Humour is subjective. I'm "appalled" by myself at things I find funny...but I'll get over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you get what I mean.

I’m not entirely sure I do. Tbh, given a couple of things you’ve said, I’m not entirely sure you got what I meant, either.

How then do you classify his audiences which must venture into the hundreds of thousands by now, who pay significant amounts of money to listen to laugh at these repugnant things.

I don’t think I really need to answer that."

On the contrary, I think you do.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist?

I think it's widely accepted that he was a racist. And a bit of a cunt.

In the spirit of the thread title, he was a pretty shit comedian too.

(The threads about comedians)

I was just picking up on your argument that someone is only racist as a matter of fact if they admit they are. That seems to me obviously wrong. "

Your right, it is wrong. In the context of historical mass murdering racist dictators it's obviously wrong.

The threads about humour and comedians though. As was my observation.

And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's our God given right to be offended!!

What did Osama bin Laden make for the bake sale??

Big apple crumble!

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so."

You’re still not getting the fact that there is clear evidence, totally separate to these men’s stand-up routines and stage personas, that they were, in their personal lives, deeply bigoted; racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, pretty much the full gamut of prejudices.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so.

You’re still not getting the fact that there is clear evidence, totally separate to these men’s stand-up routines and stage personas, that they were, in their personal lives, deeply bigoted; racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, pretty much the full gamut of prejudices."

Nope, their personal prejudices have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not what they say is funny.

You yourself agreed that humour is subjective and personal.

They could be the most obnoxious detestable racist bigoted cunts in the world, if they said something I found funny I'd laugh, if I didn't find it funny I wouldn't laugh. End of.....

Why is that so hard to grasp when you yourself agreed that humours subjective and personal?

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over a year ago


"And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so.

You’re still not getting the fact that there is clear evidence, totally separate to these men’s stand-up routines and stage personas, that they were, in their personal lives, deeply bigoted; racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, pretty much the full gamut of prejudices."

You're still not answering the question that you said you didn't need to answer.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so.

You’re still not getting the fact that there is clear evidence, totally separate to these men’s stand-up routines and stage personas, that they were, in their personal lives, deeply bigoted; racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, pretty much the full gamut of prejudices.

You're still not answering the question that you said you didn't need to answer."

You're going to be waiting for a while. Although you might get an answer that's bugger all to do with your question or the thread.....

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"Get over yourself, homophobia is side splitting levels of funny. They stick stuff up their arses. On purpose. It's a comedy gold mine. "

No, that's homosexuals. Although on reflection I suspect that many homophobes do as well

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist?

I think it's widely accepted that he was a racist. And a bit of a cunt.

In the spirit of the thread title, he was a pretty shit comedian too.

(The threads about comedians)

I was just picking up on your argument that someone is only racist as a matter of fact if they admit they are. That seems to me obviously wrong.

Your right, it is wrong. In the context of historical mass murdering racist dictators it's obviously wrong.

The threads about humour and comedians though. As was my observation.

And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so."

I'm not discussing whether the people in question are funny or not, I'm just responding to the clearly wrong statement you made that we can only know as a matter of fact if someone is racist if they say they are. That applies to dictators, comedians and anyone else.

As it happens I agree that the only test of whether someone is funny is whether people find them funny. As it happens, some people do find racist jokes and comedians funny, so to those people they are funny. Thankfully, these days they are a minority taste.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I agree that humour is subjective. Different people like different things. If you have the sensibilities of a pubescent boy, then Roy Chubby Brown’s vulgarity is hilarious. That is the level of much of his humour; the kid who’s just learned how to swear, and thinks that if saying fuck once is funny, saying it five times must be five times funnier. If that makes you laugh, all power to you.

However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others. Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.

Not wanting to think that the comedian you like is all of those things doesn’t stop it being the case. Not wanting to question why you go along with it doesn’t stop it from being the case, either.

Don’t for a moment think that I don’t like shocking, controversial humour. I dare say, given some of the things I’ve done for a living, I’ve got a darker sense of humour than most. I generally believe that there is no topic that cannot be the subject of a joke. But this is the point I will keep coming back to; the difference between something being the subject of a joke and the target of a joke is absolutely fundamental.

Spicknspan demonstrated that he does not understand the difference earlier with his ‘PC Brigade’ version of a joke. I mean, when we look past the pathetic use of that meaningless phrase, and actually look at the joke, it’s unlikely that anyone would take issue with it; it doesn’t mock Jews or blind people. They are the subject of the joke, but not the target of it.

Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk all told jokes which mocked people for being black, or foreign, or gay. And, no, they weren’t doing some meta-humour, with layers to unpick; they all demonstrated in interview that they weren’t smart enough to construct something like that. All that they demonstrated was that they were just nasty, hate-filled people. They made money out of pointing and laughing and encouraging others to point and laugh at people because of where or how they were born.

You agree that humour is subjective, then denigrate everyone who likes a particular comedian. You’ve just said one thing, then completely ignored your own statement.

You agree that humour is subjective, then say “However, there is nothing funny about standing up in front of people, making racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted beliefs in others etc.” Again, you say one thing, then completely ignore your own statement.

You also seem to be suggesting that anyone who laughs at “racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, generally bigoted remarks that promote, encourage and incite racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic” humour is themselves a racist. I’ll say it again, if someone laughs its funny, if they don’t its not. If I laugh at a homophobic joke its doesn’t make me homophobic. One of my favourite jokes is about lesbians, it doesn’t mean I hate lesbians, it just means I/me/personally found it funny. Others may not. Incidentally, it was told to me by a lesbian. By your rational that makes her also homophobic.

You said that “Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and their ilk are racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots. That’s not a matter of opinion.” But it is a matter of opinion. Its clearly your opinion and probably a lot of other peoples too. But that doesn’t make it a fact. Unless of course they actually come right out and say “I’m a racist cunt”. In which case opinions can be converted to facts.

Just because you think something to be true, no matter how hard you want it to be true, it might not be.

At the risk of offending Godwins law, I don't believe Hitler ever said "I'm a racist".

Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist?

I think it's widely accepted that he was a racist. And a bit of a cunt.

In the spirit of the thread title, he was a pretty shit comedian too.

(The threads about comedians)

I was just picking up on your argument that someone is only racist as a matter of fact if they admit they are. That seems to me obviously wrong.

Your right, it is wrong. In the context of historical mass murdering racist dictators it's obviously wrong.

The threads about humour and comedians though. As was my observation.

And in that context, the context of the thread, I still think whether something is funny or not is down to the individual and someone's opinion about whether it's funny or not doesn't make it so.

I'm not discussing whether the people in question are funny or not, I'm just responding to the clearly wrong statement you made that we can only know as a matter of fact if someone is racist if they say they are. That applies to dictators, comedians and anyone else.

As it happens I agree that the only test of whether someone is funny is whether people find them funny. As it happens, some people do find racist jokes and comedians funny, so to those people they are funny. Thankfully, these days they are a minority taste. "

I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I’m so glad this thread came up because I’ve had the most enjoyable day watching Bernard Manning , Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson on you tube . Happy memories of times gone by now and I’ve never laughed so much .

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"You're still not answering the question that you said you didn't need to answer."

You’re observant. Well done.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man."

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job."

Of course it proves something .

It proves that although someone may appear to be a racist , it doesn’t mean they are .

It’s clear he isn’t a racist , but he told a racist joke that someone felt was bad enough to comment on . He thought Sting was a racist , but the joke was told to Sting by his black brother in law who Sting was very friendly with . Proving that he isn’t a racist in any way . Despite the joke he told .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m so glad this thread came up because I’ve had the most enjoyable day watching Bernard Manning , Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson on you tube . Happy memories of times gone by now and I’ve never laughed so much . "

Yup, same here. What a laugh! Imagine being so miserable you couldn't enjoy their acts?!

All three were giants of comedy of their time.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job."

Nope, I got nothing. ....

Nothing but

And

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job.

Of course it proves something .

It proves that although someone may appear to be a racist , it doesn’t mean they are .

It’s clear he isn’t a racist , but he told a racist joke that someone felt was bad enough to comment on . He thought Sting was a racist , but the joke was told to Sting by his black brother in law who Sting was very friendly with . Proving that he isn’t a racist in any way . Despite the joke he told . "

Hi five.....

I resisted the urge to say Heil Five.....

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job.

Of course it proves something .

It proves that although someone may appear to be a racist , it doesn’t mean they are .

It’s clear he isn’t a racist , but he told a racist joke that someone felt was bad enough to comment on . He thought Sting was a racist , but the joke was told to Sting by his black brother in law who Sting was very friendly with . Proving that he isn’t a racist in any way . Despite the joke he told .

Hi five.....

I resisted the urge to say Heil Five....."

You know, because of the Hitler reference up there... ^^^

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea


"On the back of the "PC culture" thread, and the BGT winner "Lost Voice Guy", is it ok to tell jokes that belittle disabled people? Is it ok if it's a disabled person telling the jokes, or should it be "if it's ok for one person to tell them, it should be ok for everyone to tell them"? The same with Jewish jokes, fat people, black/Asian people etc? Would the best comedian in the world be a paraplegic mixed-race Jewish hermaphrodite with weight problems?

Jokes are only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke

C"

100% agree

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others..

I bet you are a hell of a fun bloke to be around.....

What makes you laugh?"

Perhaps looking in a mirror !!

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job.

Of course it proves something .

It proves that although someone may appear to be a racist , it doesn’t mean they are .

It’s clear he isn’t a racist , but he told a racist joke that someone felt was bad enough to comment on . He thought Sting was a racist , but the joke was told to Sting by his black brother in law who Sting was very friendly with . Proving that he isn’t a racist in any way . Despite the joke he told . "

In terms of relevance to what I was saying, he’d be as well telling us about the time he saw a cloud that looked like Jedward taking a shit.

Nobody has denied that non-racists can tell jokes that may appear racist to others. It is not a point that needs to be proved, and the fact that he felt the need to do so only represents Sting’s continuing failure to fully understand various discussions in this forum.

As is the way with most discussions here, I’m clearly going to have to keep repeating this point until it finally sinks in; in the cases of Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning and Roy Chubby Brown, there is ample evidence that, when not on stage doing their acts, they were bigoted in the extreme. Even if you completely disregard everything they ever said during their shows, there is ample evidence that they were hateful bigots.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Perhaps looking in a mirror !! "

A useful contribution. Well done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn’t give him a hard time about being fat.

He does joke about it all the time which is why I like him he has fun with himself

I know he does. It doesn’t stop him from being a nasty piece of shit. Making jokes about himself doesn’t in any way negate the repugnant things he says about others..

I bet you are a hell of a fun bloke to be around.....

What makes you laugh?

Perhaps looking in a mirror !! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Humour is like sexuality, you have no control over what you find funny.

Stephen Fry said Bernard Manning had the best delivery of any comedian he had seen, but at the same time he strongly disliked what he said and what he stood for.

"

Totally this.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I disagree. Because someone sounds or seems like a racist isn't proof that they are.

A personal experience if I may.

I once made what what was clearly a racist joke. People laughed. Except one person, a total stranger, who called me a racist.

He was very surprised to see me in the company of people with a darker complexion, laughing, joking and buying each other a beer.

The guy that told me the joke was coal black.

And one of my very best friends. He was married to my sister for a while, I was his best man.

Wow. Amazing story. Doesn’t prove a thing. Good job.

Of course it proves something .

It proves that although someone may appear to be a racist , it doesn’t mean they are .

It’s clear he isn’t a racist , but he told a racist joke that someone felt was bad enough to comment on . He thought Sting was a racist , but the joke was told to Sting by his black brother in law who Sting was very friendly with . Proving that he isn’t a racist in any way . Despite the joke he told .

In terms of relevance to what I was saying, he’d be as well telling us about the time he saw a cloud that looked like Jedward taking a shit.

Nobody has denied that non-racists can tell jokes that may appear racist to others. It is not a point that needs to be proved, and the fact that he felt the need to do so only represents Sting’s continuing failure to fully understand various discussions in this forum.

As is the way with most discussions here, I’m clearly going to have to keep repeating this point until it finally sinks in; in the cases of Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning and Roy Chubby Brown, there is ample evidence that, when not on stage doing their acts, they were bigoted in the extreme. Even if you completely disregard everything they ever said during their shows, there is ample evidence that they were hateful bigots."

I'd suggest you are a little less selective about what you respond to.

I've already addressed the racism and bigotry issue regarding comedians like this.

I'll kerp reading what's written, you keep reading what you think is written.

I'm out......

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I’ve already addressed the racism and bigotry issue regarding comedians like this."

Trying and failing is not addressing, chum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve already addressed the racism and bigotry issue regarding comedians like this.

Trying and failing is not addressing, chum."

Fucking chum, he’s excelled himself.

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS
over a year ago

North west


" Is it a matter of opinion that he was a racist? "

Apparently there have been rumours...

If Hitler had killed all the Jew's.

Is he still racist ?

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner


"Also dare I say....he got the sympathy vote too. XXX"

Or he was just funny?

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By *rozacMan
over a year ago

london


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !! "

is this my cue to enter?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Only people you can make a joke about are your white working class straight males every one else is off limits

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"How the fuck has Hitler made his way into a post about Britain’s got talent (apparently) and that talentless novelty act that won it ??

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !! (thumb

I hear you baby and you're so right."

Yeh yeh but which bit

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !!

is this my cue to enter?

"

Feel free Sir !!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !!

is this my cue to enter?

"

Where’s this original comment, I can’t find it ?

Oh and I know exactly who you’re talking about, as soon as you said condescending !

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well, so far from this thread, I've learned that only certain professional comedians can tell offensive jokes, and that they're only jokes if everyone involved takes it as a joke. This is not a satisfactory conclusion

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !!

is this my cue to enter?

Where’s this original comment, I can’t find it ?

Oh and I know exactly who you’re talking about, as soon as you said condescending ! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !!

is this my cue to enter?

Where’s this original comment, I can’t find it ?

Oh and I know exactly who you’re talking about, as soon as you said condescending !

Haha, I knew exactly who that was directed at too.

Every. Single. Thread.

Can't help himself.

"

Every. Single. Comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It seems every thread I’ve seen involves one particular condescending self indulgent , opinionated clown whose opinion it seems must be heard and agreed with !!

is this my cue to enter?

Where’s this original comment, I can’t find it ?

Oh and I know exactly who you’re talking about, as soon as you said condescending !

Haha, I knew exactly who that was directed at too.

Every. Single. Thread.

Can't help himself.

Every. Single. Comment."

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By *abulously curiousCouple
over a year ago

manchester

I'm looking for offensive jokes here???

Jokes are jokes. From hair colour to size to nationality.. someone somewhere is going to be offended.. pc is silly..

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By *rozacMan
over a year ago

london


"I'm looking for offensive jokes here???

Jokes are jokes. From hair colour to size to nationality.. someone somewhere is going to be offended.. pc is silly.."

I'm not saying people in my area have bad teeth but one woman just smiled in Tesco's and the barcode scanner picked it up as a set of saucepans

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By *abulously curiousCouple
over a year ago

manchester


"I'm looking for offensive jokes here???

Jokes are jokes. From hair colour to size to nationality.. someone somewhere is going to be offended.. pc is silly..

I'm not saying people in my area have bad teeth but one woman just smiled in Tesco's and the barcode scanner picked it up as a set of saucepans"
was she eating an Apple thru a cheese grater

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By *arnsley guy100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Say boo to anyone of a millenial age and that'll turn out to be offensive or some kind of drama

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