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"Pre workouts do nothing for me, so no. " Some pres don't work for people. Try a different one or take 2 scoops. | |||
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"Pre workouts do nothing for me, so no. Some pres don't work for people. Try a different one or take 2 scoops. " 2 scoops? Strawberry & mint choc chip please - in a waffle cone | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about." He means Exercise before sex | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex " I was using the sex AS the exercise | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I was using the sex AS the exercise " One of your five a day? | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about." Snap | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex " I thought he meant taking something you usually have for working out, before you have sex. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I thought he meant taking something you usually have for working out, before you have sex." Tbh I’m not entirely sure what he means.. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I thought he meant taking something you usually have for working out, before you have sex. Tbh I’m not entirely sure what he means.. " Think he’s on about protein shake | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about." Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against." Are there any pre workout pills? | |||
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"I get a really bad come down from pre workouts however I’ve never found anything as good as old craze before it was banned due to have banned substances in it! " C4 has a great comedown. I got a girl at my gym to try some of mine because she had the same issue. She uses it now. | |||
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"My ex did before we went to the Townhouse once- he was buzzing his tits off! (And it was useful!) " Its amazing. Fresh from the gym with a girl on the same hype. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex " Not at all | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I was using the sex AS the exercise " | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I thought he meant taking something you usually have for working out, before you have sex." That is what I meant | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. He means Exercise before sex I thought he meant taking something you usually have for working out, before you have sex. Tbh I’m not entirely sure what he means.. Think he’s on about protein shake " No. I'm saying take preworkout. Let it take effect and go for broke. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? " Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to?" Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all" You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! | |||
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"Still dont know." Sometimes I read threads and wonder if the man cave is a different planet I've not a clue either | |||
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"Still dont know." You and me both.. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now!" Inoffensive anonymous little me? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times" So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun " If I took all that the chances of anyone catching up with me to have sex..... | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? " :* Remember what the dormouse said | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? " Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times" How is it hard to work out? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun " Yes | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x" You was taking one that was too strong for you. Maybe go to half what you took. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? :* Remember what the dormouse said" Squeak | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? " For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly | |||
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"Pre sex " It describes far too much of my life | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? " no need to be rude. its a perfectly valid question. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? :* Remember what the dormouse said Squeak " When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead Thats when you know you need to get the feck off Fab | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? " Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. | |||
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"Wtf im actually completely lost What is preworkout? *off to google I go...*" You know pre workout,when you go to the loo and refill your water bottle,grab your sweat towel etc | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly " Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? no need to be rude. its a perfectly valid question." I'm trying not to be. | |||
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"Wtf im actually completely lost What is preworkout? *off to google I go...* You know pre workout,when you go to the loo and refill your water bottle,grab your sweat towel etc" ... then make an excuse not to go | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? no need to be rude. its a perfectly valid question. I'm trying not to be. " look at your response, of course it was rude! no need for it. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not." Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. " So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? | |||
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"Wtf im actually completely lost What is preworkout? *off to google I go...* You know pre workout,when you go to the loo and refill your water bottle,grab your sweat towel etc ... then make an excuse not to go " Exactly! | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? no need to be rude. its a perfectly valid question. I'm trying not to be. look at your response, of course it was rude! no need for it." I caught it now I read it. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. " Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some?" Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no" Its not illegal. They are all legall. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no" Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? :* Remember what the dormouse said Squeak When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead Thats when you know you need to get the feck off Fab" I'll get my coat on the way out | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. " What kind of drugs? So you're putting this stuff in your body to make you work harder? So you put drugs inside your body,but that's ok because you'll work harder which makes you look better on the outside. I don't get it. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its not illegal. They are all legall. " Did you not watch Grange Hill, OP? | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? :* Remember what the dormouse said Squeak When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead Thats when you know you need to get the feck off Fab I'll get my coat on the way out " Does that mean you are conceding defeat to my superior wit? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. " why would a healthy young lad need to take something before sex | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. " Sweetheart, at your age if you are requiring that kind of chemical assistance to work out, train harder, stay focused or worse, have enjoyable sex, you are going to be fucked (in the non literal sense!) before you hit 35! | |||
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"Haven't a clue what you're all talking about. Dunno, but sounds drug related which I am dead against. Are there any pre workout pills? Some pills make you taller some pills make you small the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all You bastard! Thats my frickin' earworm now! Inoffensive anonymous little me? :* Remember what the dormouse said Squeak When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead Thats when you know you need to get the feck off Fab I'll get my coat on the way out Does that mean you are conceding defeat to my superior wit? " Always | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun " Sex after all that stimulant..you would need a broom handle first to get me down from the ceiling.. | |||
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"PRE WORKOUT- a protein shake with additives!!! Everyone up to speed now???!!!" Op said it was a load of drugs. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. What kind of drugs? So you're putting this stuff in your body to make you work harder? So you put drugs inside your body,but that's ok because you'll work harder which makes you look better on the outside. I don't get it." Its not like an actual drug. Its natural stuff that gets mixed together. Some call it drugs others call them ingredients. Its all safe. | |||
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"PRE WORKOUT- a protein shake with additives!!! Everyone up to speed now???!!!" Not at all. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees " This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. What kind of drugs? So you're putting this stuff in your body to make you work harder? So you put drugs inside your body,but that's ok because you'll work harder which makes you look better on the outside. I don't get it. Its not like an actual drug. Its natural stuff that gets mixed together. Some call it drugs others call them ingredients. Its all safe. " Oh ok. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. why would a healthy young lad need to take something before sex" Focus and to push yourself harder. It help you work with alot more intensity. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. Sweetheart, at your age if you are requiring that kind of chemical assistance to work out, train harder, stay focused or worse, have enjoyable sex, you are going to be fucked (in the non literal sense!) before you hit 35!" Its nothing to do with that. Imagine talking 5 energy drinks before going to the gym. You'll be really hyper and wanting to do everything. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun Sex after all that stimulant..you would need a broom handle first to get me down from the ceiling.." That could be arranged. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger " Its just a powerful energy drink. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. What kind of drugs? So you're putting this stuff in your body to make you work harder? So you put drugs inside your body,but that's ok because you'll work harder which makes you look better on the outside. I don't get it. Its not like an actual drug. Its natural stuff that gets mixed together. Some call it drugs others call them ingredients. Its all safe. Oh ok." I understand the confusion of when people mention taking drugs. But caffeine is a drug. | |||
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"OP, you're 23 and you need to take something to make you work harder and keep you focused during sex? " No. I've done it post gym with the buzz still going. | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? " So now we have established the pre workout thing is just lots of naturally occuring stimulants mixed together.... Have you had sex on it OP? Would you? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun Sex after all that stimulant..you would need a broom handle first to get me down from the ceiling.. That could be arranged. " As always when a couple posts ask yourself..am i straight or am i fab straight haha.. And be careful with that broom i do not want to do a lolly impression whilst your buzzing your tits off and can't aim for toffee. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. Sweetheart, at your age if you are requiring that kind of chemical assistance to work out, train harder, stay focused or worse, have enjoyable sex, you are going to be fucked (in the non literal sense!) before you hit 35! Its nothing to do with that. Imagine talking 5 energy drinks before going to the gym. You'll be really hyper and wanting to do everything. " No, I wouldn't try that. Being able to go like a Duracell bunny doesn't neccesasarily make for good sex, I'd rather have someone be in the moment, and be in the moment rather than hyped up on some concocted stimulant. Ginger | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x You was taking one that was too strong for you. Maybe go to half what you took. " No I wasn't, I'm a personal trainer and have tried many different varieties that my colleagues have recommended or that we stock at the gym. They're not for me at all. They make me feel sick and so I don't train as hard. I have tried various dosage methods too. For those asking, pre workout is a stimulant similar to an energy drink. Usually more concentrated and may or may not have ingredients in for an extra 'pump too I.e makes the muscles appear larger when training. It is completely legal and as long as you stick the dosage and you are healthy, they are safe to use also. It is definitely not a protein shake. That is a a post workout drink containing protein, pre workout contains little or no protein. Eve. x | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. Sweetheart, at your age if you are requiring that kind of chemical assistance to work out, train harder, stay focused or worse, have enjoyable sex, you are going to be fucked (in the non literal sense!) before you hit 35! Its nothing to do with that. Imagine talking 5 energy drinks before going to the gym. You'll be really hyper and wanting to do everything. " Its nothing to do with what? Working out? Training harder? Staying focused? Believe me, a can of Pepsi has me bouncing round like Tigger on speed. The last thing I need is thatkind of shite in my system. And Im 48! If at 23 you are using it to help you train you are heading on a one way trip to organ damage. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. " But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? " As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. " Bet your organs love you. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor " Doctor doctor Can i nail this chick whilst I'm buzzing off my tits on this stuff?!?!?!?!? Not in my bloody waiting room you can't! ! | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor " This. In all honesty, I have never recommended it to any of my clients or gym members. I consider it unnecessary but if they want to use it, that's up to them. Eve. x | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor " I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its not illegal. They are all legall. Did you not watch Grange Hill, OP?" I think that was well before the op was born | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x You was taking one that was too strong for you. Maybe go to half what you took. No I wasn't, I'm a personal trainer and have tried many different varieties that my colleagues have recommended or that we stock at the gym. They're not for me at all. They make me feel sick and so I don't train as hard. I have tried various dosage methods too. For those asking, pre workout is a stimulant similar to an energy drink. Usually more concentrated and may or may not have ingredients in for an extra 'pump too I.e makes the muscles appear larger when training. It is completely legal and as long as you stick the dosage and you are healthy, they are safe to use also. It is definitely not a protein shake. That is a a post workout drink containing protein, pre workout contains little or no protein. Eve. x" Oops! My bad. In my defence it was my fella taking it, not me! I just enjoyed the result! | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x You was taking one that was too strong for you. Maybe go to half what you took. No I wasn't, I'm a personal trainer and have tried many different varieties that my colleagues have recommended or that we stock at the gym. They're not for me at all. They make me feel sick and so I don't train as hard. I have tried various dosage methods too. For those asking, pre workout is a stimulant similar to an energy drink. Usually more concentrated and may or may not have ingredients in for an extra 'pump too I.e makes the muscles appear larger when training. It is completely legal and as long as you stick the dosage and you are healthy, they are safe to use also. It is definitely not a protein shake. That is a a post workout drink containing protein, pre workout contains little or no protein. Eve. x Oops! My bad. In my defence it was my fella taking it, not me! I just enjoyed the result!" Ha ha ha no worries at all doll! Just wanted to help explain what it was. Eve. x | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger The point is, any PT worth their Salt isn't going to 'recommend' these products. However, they may let them know that they are available and what they do (since most gyms stock them and have sponsorship with the brands.) They are a popular supplement in the fitness world. The products usually have a 'speak to your GP' warning on too. Eve. x" I'd never heard of these and I clearly don't go to the gym, from some of the replies on the thread I'd assumed they may have been more widely promoted by gyms or PT's. Ginger | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger The point is, any PT worth their Salt isn't going to 'recommend' these products. However, they may let them know that they are available and what they do (since most gyms stock them and have sponsorship with the brands.) They are a popular supplement in the fitness world. The products usually have a 'speak to your GP' warning on too. Eve. x I'd never heard of these and I clearly don't go to the gym, from some of the replies on the thread I'd assumed they may have been more widely promoted by gyms or PT's. Ginger " I wouldn't say they were promoted really but I can't speak for all gyms or PTs. The gym I work from doesnt promote them unless you count a poster on the toilet doors? I certainly don't promote them, I wouldn't take a sponsorship deal that required me to promote them either. Not because they are dangerous or anything but just because I feel they are optional and I opt not to use or recommend them. If a PT has a sponsorship with a brand that has a wide pre workout range, the will probably promote it. Doesn't mean you have to buy it though! Eve. x | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss" Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms" If you survive that long lol. | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms If you survive that long lol." Death by orgasm | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms If you survive that long lol." You dont need to think about trivialities like high blood pressure at 23 Thats for us oldies | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms If you survive that long lol. Death by orgasm " Going out with a bang | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? So now we have established the pre workout thing is just lots of naturally occuring stimulants mixed together.... Have you had sex on it OP? Would you?" On the after high. And yes. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times So you take a caffeine loaded pre workout drink , usually with taurine , beta alanine , creatine and perhaps ephedra and then have sex . Sounds like fun Sex after all that stimulant..you would need a broom handle first to get me down from the ceiling.. That could be arranged. As always when a couple posts ask yourself..am i straight or am i fab straight haha.. And be careful with that broom i do not want to do a lolly impression whilst your buzzing your tits off and can't aim for toffee. " | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms If you survive that long lol. Death by orgasm Going out with a bang " Probably more going out with a grunt and a dribble but yours sounds better on a headstone | |||
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"Sex on pre workout Done it? Would you do it? Pre work out does nothing for me. Well, I lie, It makes me feel nauseous. I know plenty of people that love it but it's definitely not for me. It usually tastes grim too. I stick to a coffee with a small meal with a mix of simple and complex carbs with some good fats thrown in. That's before exercise. Pre sex I find that I don't need anything to get me going if I have the right people with me. Eve. x You was taking one that was too strong for you. Maybe go to half what you took. No I wasn't, I'm a personal trainer and have tried many different varieties that my colleagues have recommended or that we stock at the gym. They're not for me at all. They make me feel sick and so I don't train as hard. I have tried various dosage methods too. For those asking, pre workout is a stimulant similar to an energy drink. Usually more concentrated and may or may not have ingredients in for an extra 'pump too I.e makes the muscles appear larger when training. It is completely legal and as long as you stick the dosage and you are healthy, they are safe to use also. It is definitely not a protein shake. That is a a post workout drink containing protein, pre workout contains little or no protein. Eve. x" Tried c4? | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? " Excessive amounts of caffine i.e more than your body can handle can lead to heard issue. But as you go by scoops you can get your dosage good for you | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor Doctor doctor Can i nail this chick whilst I'm buzzing off my tits on this stuff?!?!?!?!? Not in my bloody waiting room you can't! ! " | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger " Only a ct scan or a 24h heart monitor can pick that stuff up | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss" Thats some. And my erction is definitely not disfunctioned. | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Thats some. And my erction is definitely not disfunctioned. " Yet wait til you hit your 30's and you have trashed your body with stimulants | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms" And the hard sessions. They do increase bloodflow too. | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Thats some. And my erction is definitely not disfunctioned. Yet wait til you hit your 30's and you have trashed your body with stimulants" I've been on stimulants since they hit the shelves in rockstar cans. So around 13. | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Yeah, but just think about the awesome orgasms And the hard sessions. They do increase bloodflow too. " Tell that to the paramedics | |||
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"I just swiped this off another site A few of the most common (and quite unpleasant) pre-workout supplement side effects are: Vomiting Tingling/numbness in the face, lips, or extremities Jitters Cramps Headaches Flushed and red skin Trouble sleeping Itching Anxiety High blood pressure Kidney damage Chest pain Heart muscle damage Erectile dysfunction Don't be surprised if you experience one or several of these given that you're taking in large amounts of caffeine and other stimulants. Think I would give it a miss Thats some. And my erction is definitely not disfunctioned. Yet wait til you hit your 30's and you have trashed your body with stimulants I've been on stimulants since they hit the shelves in rockstar cans. So around 13." Good for you... you can look forward to the problems sooner then | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger Only a ct scan or a 24h heart monitor can pick that stuff up " I don't think you are getting my point, heart conditions can lie undetected in outwardly healthy people, you talk about these things as though they are perfectly normal, how many people do you think will undergo heart monitoring prior to taking these supplements? I'd argue very few. We've had a PT state on this thread that she wouldn't endorse them, I don't know her but I'd go with her opinion on them. I'm not a fan of putting things into your body you don't need, I don't like taking more than 2 paracetamol a month. I get you want to be fit but this approach seems quite short sighted with quick gains but long term you don't know the risks to your health, already shops are asking for ID for energy drinks if you look under 25, this itself shows that they aren't great for your body. Ginger | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger Only a ct scan or a 24h heart monitor can pick that stuff up I don't think you are getting my point, heart conditions can lie undetected in outwardly healthy people, you talk about these things as though they are perfectly normal, how many people do you think will undergo heart monitoring prior to taking these supplements? I'd argue very few. We've had a PT state on this thread that she wouldn't endorse them, I don't know her but I'd go with her opinion on them. I'm not a fan of putting things into your body you don't need, I don't like taking more than 2 paracetamol a month. I get you want to be fit but this approach seems quite short sighted with quick gains but long term you don't know the risks to your health, already shops are asking for ID for energy drinks if you look under 25, this itself shows that they aren't great for your body. Ginger " Your heart still works the same you just work harder. If they were gonna give everyone a heart attack or cause heart issues then they wouldn't be allowed sell them. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger Only a ct scan or a 24h heart monitor can pick that stuff up I don't think you are getting my point, heart conditions can lie undetected in outwardly healthy people, you talk about these things as though they are perfectly normal, how many people do you think will undergo heart monitoring prior to taking these supplements? I'd argue very few. We've had a PT state on this thread that she wouldn't endorse them, I don't know her but I'd go with her opinion on them. I'm not a fan of putting things into your body you don't need, I don't like taking more than 2 paracetamol a month. I get you want to be fit but this approach seems quite short sighted with quick gains but long term you don't know the risks to your health, already shops are asking for ID for energy drinks if you look under 25, this itself shows that they aren't great for your body. Ginger Its ok the OP has been taking stimulants since he was 13 so it must be good for him What a knob And you call me a twat " I don't recall ever calling you a twat... I've thought it, sure, but nope, never actually called you it. | |||
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"Pre workouts do nothing for me, so no. Some pres don't work for people. Try a different one or take 2 scoops. 2 scoops? Strawberry & mint choc chip please - in a waffle cone " My dear chap, if I could've fabbed your newest pic repeatedly I'd still be fabbing it now. I WANT THAT CAKE!!!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Just skimmed the thread. I'd be quite upset if a guy had to have some of this stuff to enjoy a good shag with me!! I also don't think anyone should take any kind of stimulant to enhance themselves. " 100% agree. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly Its sex on pre workout. Unless you've never taken it I can understand why you wouldn't know. So, this pre workout shit, what is it and do we all need to rush out and buy some? Not if you have heart issues. Heat attack central. And not a dig at age. Its basically there to give you the energy of 10 black coffees This sounds like quite a stupid thing to do, a lot of people have undiagnosed heart conditions so surely this could be seriously bad or even fatal for them? Ginger Its just a powerful energy drink. But you said yourself "not if you have heart issues. Heart attack central" So is it bad for hearts or not? As a qualified PT it’s not something I’d recommend to someone with heart problems but to be sure ask your doctor I haven't got heart conditions, but my friend does, and it lay undiagnosed for 24 years. My point was lots of people will be in the same scenario as my friend, she'd had medicals and it wasn't picked up on, there is no family history of heart conditions so it would never have been picked up on by a PT in a gym possibly recommending high caffeine supplements. Ginger Only a ct scan or a 24h heart monitor can pick that stuff up I don't think you are getting my point, heart conditions can lie undetected in outwardly healthy people, you talk about these things as though they are perfectly normal, how many people do you think will undergo heart monitoring prior to taking these supplements? I'd argue very few. We've had a PT state on this thread that she wouldn't endorse them, I don't know her but I'd go with her opinion on them. I'm not a fan of putting things into your body you don't need, I don't like taking more than 2 paracetamol a month. I get you want to be fit but this approach seems quite short sighted with quick gains but long term you don't know the risks to your health, already shops are asking for ID for energy drinks if you look under 25, this itself shows that they aren't great for your body. Ginger Your heart still works the same you just work harder. If they were gonna give everyone a heart attack or cause heart issues then they wouldn't be allowed sell them. " But people with some heart conditions have to limit or stop their caffeine intake, it doesn't change just because they haven't been diagnosed, so I'd think the equivalent of 10 cups of black coffee could have quite a negative effect on someone with heart issues, diagnosed or not. | |||
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"I'm just gonna leave it at this. Unless you've been to the gym and done a hardcore workout and crashed 3/4 through. You will never understand the benefits of taking it. The a person that thinks they workout at a hardcore intensity, will always be massively surprised at how hard they can really work. " You don't need them to work at maximum intensity or stop you crashing. If you're crashing your nutrition is wrong. | |||
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"I'm just gonna leave it at this. Unless you've been to the gym and done a hardcore workout and crashed 3/4 through. You will never understand the benefits of taking it. The a person that thinks they workout at a hardcore intensity, will always be massively surprised at how hard they can really work. You don't need them to work at maximum intensity or stop you crashing. If you're crashing your nutrition is wrong." I agree. I work damn hard in the gym and have lots of men say I train like a guy yet I don't take it. I make sure my nutrition is on point. I make sure my clients have all the information they need to ensure they have a great session too. They don't crash until I allow them to. You absolutely do not need pre workout to smash a gym session. Eve. x | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. What kind of drugs? So you're putting this stuff in your body to make you work harder? So you put drugs inside your body,but that's ok because you'll work harder which makes you look better on the outside. I don't get it. Its not like an actual drug. Its natural stuff that gets mixed together. Some call it drugs others call them ingredients. Its all safe. " It's all safe, unless you have a heart condition or many other issues that you don't know about. One of the drugs you mentioned earlier is taurine. That is not safe. Plenty of medical warnings not to take too much of the stuff. Protein shakes are fine pre workout (although there is no medical evidence that it actually does anything). However the rest of the list are not good. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? Fairly difficult when the op is not explained very well. A mind reader I am not. Its basically a load of drugs put together to give you an intense energy in the gym. Train like a bastard my tutor would say. Ahh there it is. Drugs. Just say no Its just loads of kinds of caffine and other things to make you work harder and keep you focused. Sweetheart, at your age if you are requiring that kind of chemical assistance to work out, train harder, stay focused or worse, have enjoyable sex, you are going to be fucked (in the non literal sense!) before you hit 35! Its nothing to do with that. Imagine talking 5 energy drinks before going to the gym. You'll be really hyper and wanting to do everything. " Which is bad for you. | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly how was it not explained properly ? I know exactly what he meant and I have no interest in the gym at all....that’s like saying because you have no interest in motorsports you don’t even know what a car is...... he didn’t have to explain anything it is what he said pre workout ? He shouldn’t have to teach basic English to get people to understand what he means (pre - means before.... workout - means exercise ) it’s as simple as 1+1 ???????? I’m more confused people are claiming it could be drugs or some hidden code word for something It was code for drugs though. Pre workout is not drugs! Caffeine is a drug.... but its not drugs in the conventional sense. Its natural stimulants. 'Ingredients' as the OP called them." Yes I understand this however preworkout is not classed as an illegal substance! | |||
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"Do we actually know yet what he refers to? Sometimes its best just not to ask This is probably one of those times How is it hard to work out? For people who don't go or have no interest in going to the gym, then it would be quite tricky to work out because it wasn't explained properly how was it not explained properly ? I know exactly what he meant and I have no interest in the gym at all....that’s like saying because you have no interest in motorsports you don’t even know what a car is...... he didn’t have to explain anything it is what he said pre workout ? He shouldn’t have to teach basic English to get people to understand what he means (pre - means before.... workout - means exercise ) it’s as simple as 1+1 ???????? I’m more confused people are claiming it could be drugs or some hidden code word for something It was code for drugs though. Pre workout is not drugs! Caffeine is a drug.... but its not drugs in the conventional sense. Its natural stimulants. 'Ingredients' as the OP called them. Yes I understand this however preworkout is not classed as an illegal substance! Well of course its not illegal. The OP said just "sex on pre workout". A lardarse like me isn't to know what the feck pre workout is beyond 'before exercise'. Turns out its some stimulants. Everydays a school day" Yes it is and google is your friend. | |||
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"The original Jack3d was good for pre-sex It was banned because someone took an entire tub before a marathon and died of a heart attack!!!" It was banned because it contains DMAA | |||
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"Does it give you wings? " A rocket up the bum I think | |||
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"'I've been on stimulants since they hit the shelves in rockstar cans. So around 13'.....why? what for? have you read up on the reasons energy drinks are banned for under 16s in most countries? it might enlighten you to some of the dangers of excessive caffeine .. All it did was make me hyper and build a tollerance. Never had any issues. thats not what i asked...i asked if you are aware of the reasons caffeine loaded drinks are restricted in most countries now, and by an increasing number of supermarkets here? Kids having too much and having seizures from caffine overdose. yes, exactly..they are some of the symptoms...and it doesnt bother you that you have to keep taking more to get any effect?" No. Your body gets used to it so it doesn't take effect. You then have to up your dosage. Imagine it like taking pain meds. | |||
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"Just skimmed the thread. I'd be quite upset if a guy had to have some of this stuff to enjoy a good shag with me!! I also don't think anyone should take any kind of stimulant to enhance themselves. " From the people that I have talked to its the best sex they have had. Enhanced awareness, sensation and other things. Felt the same for me. | |||
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"'I've been on stimulants since they hit the shelves in rockstar cans. So around 13'.....why? what for? have you read up on the reasons energy drinks are banned for under 16s in most countries? it might enlighten you to some of the dangers of excessive caffeine .. All it did was make me hyper and build a tollerance. Never had any issues. thats not what i asked...i asked if you are aware of the reasons caffeine loaded drinks are restricted in most countries now, and by an increasing number of supermarkets here? Kids having too much and having seizures from caffine overdose. yes, exactly..they are some of the symptoms...and it doesnt bother you that you have to keep taking more to get any effect? No. Your body gets used to it so it doesn't take effect. You then have to up your dosage. Imagine it like taking pain meds. " But you know that upping your dosage to achieve the same effect is not healthy, right? | |||
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