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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. " But then he would have to turn himself in for attempted murder, for throwing a hammer at the bloke I am sure that one of the most unreported accidents at work are unplanned pregnancies if that helps OP | |||
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"Paper cuts - They bloody hurt!" Yeah they do always a tiny cut hurts more than anything. Like putting a cut in salt | |||
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"It was a lad doing a fence for the neighbour. He took the sign off and turned the bloody thing on thinking he could use our electric. He was putting 8' posts in 1' WTF sodding cowboys. It was the shock obviously that got me little toe rag " . Unfortunately... There's always some idiot willing to kill you!. If you can't take the fuse out of the isolator you've gotta invest in a lock off padlock so it can't be switched on, there only a couple of quid. The general public are frankly about as half witted as they get, there like lemmings around any form of a hole and no amount of signage will stop them from harikari | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. " Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law | |||
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"Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law" Hopefully, then, someone is going to buy a padlock. | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law" While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro " Note the above ‘adequate precautions’ the system which doesn’t necessarily mean carrying the safe isolation method as per BS7671... it means taking as it says ‘adequate precaution’.... as the system was re- energised the precautions were inadequate! A simple reasonable control would be within a house with locked doors preventing access to others! | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro Note the above ‘adequate precautions’ the system which doesn’t necessarily mean carrying the safe isolation method as per BS7671... it means taking as it says ‘adequate precaution’.... as the system was re- energised the precautions were inadequate! A simple reasonable control would be within a house with locked doors preventing access to others! " It wouldn't stop another trade with access to the site being a fucking numpty though- only real solution (if pulling the main fuse isn't possible) would be to remove the feed from the relevant outgoing circuit, which would require the removal of the distro front cover to reinstate it- or thretening to wire the knackers of anyone touching the power without asking, so said mains supply | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro " You can buy a lock-off kit on Amazon for £20 or less. That will fit all modern consumer units. If it's an old-fashioned rewireable board you can pull the fuse. I mean...if you wanna argue that your life ain't worth £20 then be my guest, but it's not really that hard to be safe... | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro Note the above ‘adequate precautions’ the system which doesn’t necessarily mean carrying the safe isolation method as per BS7671... it means taking as it says ‘adequate precaution’.... as the system was re- energised the precautions were inadequate! A simple reasonable control would be within a house with locked doors preventing access to others! It wouldn't stop another trade with access to the site being a fucking numpty though- only real solution (if pulling the main fuse isn't possible) would be to remove the feed from the relevant outgoing circuit, which would require the removal of the distro front cover to reinstate it- or thretening to wire the knackers of anyone touching the power without asking, so said mains supply" Prevent access! | |||
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"Just been talking to the hubby who is busy knocking walls down in a house. He was doing something to the electrics and had them turned off. Along came a chippie ? And turned the electric back on when the hubby was busy with them. Hubby said the bloke was lucky he ducked because the hammer just missed him. Hubby wasn't happy at all he even had a sign saying don't touch. So what incidents have you all had so he can cheer up hen he gets in lol" Should have had it locked off at the DB and labeled clearly using the appropriate lock out device. | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro You can buy a lock-off kit on Amazon for £20 or less. That will fit all modern consumer units. If it's an old-fashioned rewireable board you can pull the fuse. I mean...if you wanna argue that your life ain't worth £20 then be my guest, but it's not really that hard to be safe..." agreed! Loads of methods that, if you aren’t a cowboy with little respect for safety of yourself and others, can be used to ensure safety! | |||
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"He can cheer himself up by reporting the incident to the HSE; it's a requirement under The Electricity Safety, Quality & Continuity Regulations 2002. 'Any event other than an injury and fatality which, taking into account the circumstances of the event was likely to have caused either an injury, fatality or fire and explosion.' The individual who turned the supply back on, despite, the signage is a serious hazard to anyone working near him/her. Unfortunately he himself did not follow the guidance given under BS7671 for carrying out Safe Isolation, which requires the supply to be locked off with only a single key able to unlock it. Though BS7671 is not itself statutory, it is in compliance with EAWR, and EAWR does state that adequate precautions should be taken to prevent a system becoming electrically charged (by which it means carrying Safe Isolation as per BS7671) He'd be dobbing himself in for breaking the law While you're both busy regurgatating lines of legislation, some of us noticed he was knocking down walls in a house- not many houses have a isolation switch you can padlock easily or a idiot proof way of securing the distro " Yes they do ! I carry a full lock out kit in my van with my own personal padlocks to which only I have a key. If in the unlikely event that there was no means of isolating and locking off in the conventional manner, then alternative means should be employed to carry out safe isolation, even it meant the DNO disconnecting the supply at their intake. It may sound petty and even pedantic - but you only get electrocuted once | |||
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"I know I shouldn't but when people start talking about health and safety in the workplace my eyes glaze over and my brain switches off. Surely it would be a lot safer to allow me to use a fork to get my baguette out of the toaster or park my car next to the fire escape?? " A lot of people don't take health and safety very seriously or treat it as a hindrance to getting the job done,right up to the moment when somebody does something un healthy or unsafe and someone else starts bleeding or screaming. It's a bit late then. | |||
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"I know I shouldn't but when people start talking about health and safety in the workplace my eyes glaze over and my brain switches off. Surely it would be a lot safer to allow me to use a fork to get my baguette out of the toaster or park my car next to the fire escape?? A lot of people don't take health and safety very seriously or treat it as a hindrance to getting the job done,right up to the moment when somebody does something un healthy or unsafe and someone else starts bleeding or screaming. It's a bit late then." Yes I know I actually ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sorry Ooh! Shiney things,,,, | |||
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"Just been talking to the hubby who is busy knocking walls down in a house. He was doing something to the electrics and had them turned off. Along came a chippie ? And turned the electric back on when the hubby was busy with them. Hubby said the bloke was lucky he ducked because the hammer just missed him. Hubby wasn't happy at all he even had a sign saying don't touch. So what incidents have you all had so he can cheer up hen he gets in lol" Put tape over the switch | |||
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"I know I shouldn't but when people start talking about health and safety in the workplace my eyes glaze over and my brain switches off. Surely it would be a lot safer to allow me to use a fork to get my baguette out of the toaster or park my car next to the fire escape?? A lot of people don't take health and safety very seriously or treat it as a hindrance to getting the job done,right up to the moment when somebody does something un healthy or unsafe and someone else starts bleeding or screaming. It's a bit late then. Yes I know I actually ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sorry Ooh! Shiney things,,,," Accidents never just happen,they are always caused. Usually by somebody not doing what they are supposed to be doing. I just hope I have my hard hat and safety glasses available when I need them. | |||
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"I injured myself using a saw today. I have an 8" gash (no jokes please), it bled profusely and the only one I could report it to, was my dog. I was in my back garden. I'm too enthusiastic " Ouch hope it heels soon xx | |||
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"I accidentally fucked a work colleagues wife. Does that count?" As long as you put it in the accident book. | |||
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"This will make everyone laugh. I started a job in a cafe and the beans got stuck and me being me decided to stick my finger in the coffee grinder and turn it on to get it unstuck....still got the scar 2 years later, blood was everywhere and had to clean it all, thankfully it was a quiet day!! And their was the time I got avocado finger, having never even seen one I was making a sandwich there and I saw something red on it and saw my finger, wasnt pretty! Yes I threw it all away and started again with a nice blue plaster on. It wasn’t at work but I fell off a rope swing once and cracked my elbow and the pain was immense!!! And it was black and blue for weeks, first and only time I let myself go with the kids and try something fun, now the kids are ultra protective of me and listen out for the ‘mummy cry’ of ‘wooooohhhaa’ when ever I am on ever so slight rough ‘terrain’ (I little bumpy ground to you and I!) Geeky x" What happened to the coffee grinder? | |||
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"This will make everyone laugh. I started a job in a cafe and the beans got stuck and me being me decided to stick my finger in the coffee grinder and turn it on to get it unstuck....still got the scar 2 years later, blood was everywhere and had to clean it all, thankfully it was a quiet day!! And their was the time I got avocado finger, having never even seen one I was making a sandwich there and I saw something red on it and saw my finger, wasnt pretty! Yes I threw it all away and started again with a nice blue plaster on. It wasn’t at work but I fell off a rope swing once and cracked my elbow and the pain was immense!!! And it was black and blue for weeks, first and only time I let myself go with the kids and try something fun, now the kids are ultra protective of me and listen out for the ‘mummy cry’ of ‘wooooohhhaa’ when ever I am on ever so slight rough ‘terrain’ (I little bumpy ground to you and I!) Geeky x What happened to the coffee grinder?" Oh it was fine, some beans got stuck as I over done it. As for my poor finger lol | |||
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"This will make everyone laugh. I started a job in a cafe and the beans got stuck and me being me decided to stick my finger in the coffee grinder and turn it on to get it unstuck....still got the scar 2 years later, blood was everywhere and had to clean it all, thankfully it was a quiet day!! And their was the time I got avocado finger, having never even seen one I was making a sandwich there and I saw something red on it and saw my finger, wasnt pretty! Yes I threw it all away and started again with a nice blue plaster on. It wasn’t at work but I fell off a rope swing once and cracked my elbow and the pain was immense!!! And it was black and blue for weeks, first and only time I let myself go with the kids and try something fun, now the kids are ultra protective of me and listen out for the ‘mummy cry’ of ‘wooooohhhaa’ when ever I am on ever so slight rough ‘terrain’ (I little bumpy ground to you and I!) Geeky x What happened to the coffee grinder? Oh it was fine, some beans got stuck as I over done it. As for my poor finger lol" Thought you were going to say she got the sack ! | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault " It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. " It's something that could lead to serious injury though. Carrying something hot and you slip in the floor causing burns etc. I guess determining fault would lol at the company and their information, instruction training and supervision practices. Staff should be aware of the hazards working in a kitchen bring and should be responsible for cleaning up anything they spill. Ultimately 'blame' will lie with the company and it will be them investigated by the HSE for and health and safety breaches. | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. " Americanized! Deliberate? | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. " Also, as you say an accident is not a deliberate act so what in your mind is a real accident? I do agree that claim culture is increasing and the pay outs are ridiculous though. | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault " Whoever dropped the stuff and didn't clear it up. | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. Americanized! Deliberate? " I thought it was just me Yes this person slipped through the consuqeuenced of another employee not doing their work carefully. Slipping and falling could cause paralysis if they landed badly. I don’t think this should be scoffed at, at all. The company needs to implement procedure to make the chances of dropping anything less and then a procedure to alert others until the mess has been cleaned. I think supermarkets seem to manage this fairly okay. We both work in construction and both take H&S very seriously. Loss of earnings just to injury or even loss of life is not a dull subject and those that think it is are going to be more susceptible for not listening. | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame" Morally it would be the person who didn't clean up the spill. Legally I dint think they can be held accountable so it would be the company if the accident was serious enough to warrant a case. If it's just an internal investigation then the management should have a word with whoever caused the spill and understand why it wasn't cleaned up or signs put out. Additional training should be given where needed abd recorded in the investigation. Risk assessments and safe systems of work should be reviewed following any accident | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame" I would say your colleague if your employer has adequate H&S procedures and training in place. Otherwise your employer. Hope you didn’t get too badly hurt. | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame I would say your colleague if your employer has adequate H&S procedures and training in place. Otherwise your employer. Hope you didn’t get too badly hurt. " Following Evie’s post above. My post meand Blame as in just that; who is at fault. Legally it would lie with your employer. | |||
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"So what happens if you work in food industry and someone drops something 9n the floor and you slip on in Is that classed as carelessness??? Who is at fault It's an accident, it wasnt done deliberately. We need to ban all these claims and focus on the real accidents. If we kill this Americanized culture that we have adopted then the real injured parties might get their chance. It's just another page on the Uk's lazy claim culture. " This is why health & safety is such a hot topic, companies are getting claims squished by turning to health and safety. I have a mate that pays for a consultant to give him advise on H&S, he reckons it is saving him a fortune on claims. | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame I would say your colleague if your employer has adequate H&S procedures and training in place. Otherwise your employer. Hope you didn’t get too badly hurt. Following Evie’s post above. My post meand Blame as in just that; who is at fault. Legally it would lie with your employer. " HASAW section 7 covers this! | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame I would say your colleague if your employer has adequate H&S procedures and training in place. Otherwise your employer. Hope you didn’t get too badly hurt. Following Evie’s post above. My post meand Blame as in just that; who is at fault. Legally it would lie with your employer. HASAW section 7 covers this! " Don't forget the MHSWR section 14, could come into play | |||
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"Why should we kill the Americanized claim culture. If someone causes someone else to be off work,can't pay their bills and rent,Why shouldn't the injured party be compensated? " Because there are far too many freeloaders who see this as an entitlement. There needs to be far tighter control and send a few false claimants to prison to help put a stop to it. Hence my comment on the "real" claimants. | |||
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"I haven’t claimed anything or wouldn’t dream of it I just wondered who is to blame I would say your colleague if your employer has adequate H&S procedures and training in place. Otherwise your employer. Hope you didn’t get too badly hurt. Following Evie’s post above. My post meand Blame as in just that; who is at fault. Legally it would lie with your employer. HASAW section 7 covers this! Don't forget the MHSWR section 14, could come into play" I can’t forget! | |||
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"Close calls happen all the time at work and 90% of the time they go unreported....a good few sites ive been on lately have safety observation report cards...youd be suprised how actually stupid some people can be though...it was more than a close one for your guy...and he should def report whoever turned it back on" Sort of but the requirement is for the person isolating power to ensure it cannot be reenergised - turned off the power.... drills not working I’ll check trip switches ... aaahh ..... I’ll just reset! Not unreasonable the other party may well have assumed, incorrectly, that anyone with an ounce of sense, or professionalism, would have isolated the circuit/s he needed to and that they would have made it hard work to switch on! | |||
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"Just been talking to the hubby who is busy knocking walls down in a house. He was doing something to the electrics and had them turned off. Along came a chippie ? And turned the electric back on when the hubby was busy with them. Hubby said the bloke was lucky he ducked because the hammer just missed him. Hubby wasn't happy at all he even had a sign saying don't touch. So what incidents have you all had so he can cheer up hen he gets in lol" Hope he was cheered up! | |||
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"Close calls happen all the time at work and 90% of the time they go unreported....a good few sites ive been on lately have safety observation report cards...youd be suprised how actually stupid some people can be though...it was more than a close one for your guy...and he should def report whoever turned it back on Sort of but the requirement is for the person isolating power to ensure it cannot be reenergised - turned off the power.... drills not working I’ll check trip switches ... aaahh ..... I’ll just reset! Not unreasonable the other party may well have assumed, incorrectly, that anyone with an ounce of sense, or professionalism, would have isolated the circuit/s he needed to and that they would have made it hard work to switch on! " You would actually be amazed at the stupidity of some people though... I knew of a chap who did almost everything right - isolated the supply, locked it off, placed signage stating "Electrician at Work"... His one mistake was having a lock with more than one key. His boss ignored the sign, undid the lock and turned the power back on, frying him in the process. Some people | |||
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"A mates brother had a forklift drive into him at work, lost his leg from below the knee" He was lucky, bloke in our road got crushed by one. It was not his fault either, driver was distracted. | |||
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