FabSwingers.com forum: TV/TS 2: The Enlightening

By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"If a man or woman have their genitals removed for medical reasons, are they no longer male or female?

Thats what I just said.

Okay. There are various examples of men getting frostbite in their penises, and having to have them surgically removed. By your logic, that person is no longer male. Thoughts?

I'm talking about surgery. As in the intension to change sex.

Well, now you’re changing the goalposts. You expressly said that penis meant Male, and no penis meant not male.

So, what is it about the poor guys with the removed frost-bitten penis that makes them male, in the absence of a penis?

Their masculinity. Trans people don't have that i.e 'femboy'"

Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

He won’t reply too busy making an idiot of himself on other threads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He won’t reply too busy making an idiot of himself on other threads.

XX"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

Now,before some people start howling with derision 'a female penis?? how ridiculous!' let's look at things from the other side. If people insist on citing the DNA argument then they would presumably argue that a woman like me is male and that my vagina is male. If ther can be a male vagina ,surely there can be a female penis.If anyone wants to claim that my vagina is in fact not a vagina,well the surgeon says it is and I bet he knows a fkn lot more about it than most.

(Incidentally,DNA is a lot more complicated and variable than you might have thought,there was an item on radio 4 about it the other day.If anyone wants to use DNA as an argument,they'd better be prepared to realise that they know almost sweet FA about DNA).

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just me...nothe all titles fit all and every time these threads come along they get heated. I don't get it if you don't like a TV cross dresser or transsexual...just stay away....this may seem strange but they do nothing for me either and I have a few as friends on here as I do blokes....but I'm a 100% straight and don't think there ishould any need for the vitriol that gets spewed out on these thread....just live and let live or avoid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a man or woman have their genitals removed for medical reasons, are they no longer male or female?

Thats what I just said.

Okay. There are various examples of men getting frostbite in their penises, and having to have them surgically removed. By your logic, that person is no longer male. Thoughts?

I'm talking about surgery. As in the intension to change sex.

Well, now you’re changing the goalposts. You expressly said that penis meant Male, and no penis meant not male.

So, what is it about the poor guys with the removed frost-bitten penis that makes them male, in the absence of a penis?

Their masculinity. Trans people don't have that i.e 'femboy'

Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?"

They would be very manly would they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He won’t reply too busy making an idiot of himself on other threads.

XX"

Just found this smart ass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a man or woman have their genitals removed for medical reasons, are they no longer male or female?

Thats what I just said.

Okay. There are various examples of men getting frostbite in their penises, and having to have them surgically removed. By your logic, that person is no longer male. Thoughts?

I'm talking about surgery. As in the intension to change sex.

Well, now you’re changing the goalposts. You expressly said that penis meant Male, and no penis meant not male.

So, what is it about the poor guys with the removed frost-bitten penis that makes them male, in the absence of a penis?

Their masculinity. Trans people don't have that i.e 'femboy'

Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

They would be very manly would they? "

Is a butch woman male?

Is an effeminate man female?

Is it helpful to think in terms of stereotypes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female)."

Thats complete bull. A dick is a male sex organ, therefor the tv may identify as a female for that given time. But the guy is still sucking a dick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a man or woman have their genitals removed for medical reasons, are they no longer male or female?

Thats what I just said.

Okay. There are various examples of men getting frostbite in their penises, and having to have them surgically removed. By your logic, that person is no longer male. Thoughts?

I'm talking about surgery. As in the intension to change sex.

Well, now you’re changing the goalposts. You expressly said that penis meant Male, and no penis meant not male.

So, what is it about the poor guys with the removed frost-bitten penis that makes them male, in the absence of a penis?

Their masculinity. Trans people don't have that i.e 'femboy'

Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

They would be very manly would they?

Is a butch woman male?

Is an effeminate man female?

Is it helpful to think in terms of stereotypes?"

I wasn't saying that. Yes they are tom boys and tom girls. Tom girls don't tend to be straight as their femininity takes over. Overwise know as a bottom gay male.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Thats complete bull. A dick is a male sex organ, therefor the tv may identify as a female for that given time. But the guy is still sucking a dick. "

A dick,but a female dick.

What do you say to my other point? The one about a male vagina.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Thats complete bull. A dick is a male sex organ, therefor the tv may identify as a female for that given time. But the guy is still sucking a dick.

A dick,but a female dick.

What do you say to my other point? The one about a male vagina."

A dick is a male sex organ. It can never be female. Biology states that. Same with a vagina but its a female sex organ.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct. "

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female)."

As I said on the last thread , there is no way I am ever going to see a penis as female . The person with the penis can identify as a woman and that’s cool , but once the penis is out I can’t see that person as a woman .

Your vagina is a vagina , as I assume it can be fucked . I have fucked a couple of post op male to female transsexuals who are most certainly women in every way . I’m fucking a woman who has a vagina . However , to fuck a tv or a pre op ts is certainly not a woman as I’m fucking her arse . She has no vagina , she has a cock so she isn’t fully female like yourself . I’m perfectly happy addressing them as she as that’s what they want to seen as , but with a cock I can’t see them as women .

So sorry but I can’t see any logic in accepting ‘ female penis ‘as a legitimate term

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise. "

What about a TS? You specifically mentioned TS in your original question and, as you were gracious enough to allow that post op TSs are female, I'm assuming you were thinking of pre or non op TSs. Are they 'guys in disguise'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

So sorry but I can’t see any logic in accepting ‘ female penis ‘as a legitimate term "

Don't need to apologise. Thats the way people see this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

Until they complete yes. The dick there clearly says they are a guy. As another has meantioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

So sorry but I can’t see any logic in accepting ‘ female penis ‘as a legitimate term "

Well,to be honest,it makes little difference what you or I think. It's the opinion of the woman with a female penis and the guy who is prepared to see it that way that count. If they are happy with that scenario and the guy is not interested in penises in any other circumastances then,he is quite within his rights to say he is heterosexual.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Could a heterosexual guy who sees a penis as a female sex organ please explain how he feels when he is sucking the said female penis , or has the said female penis up his arse ? Is he really thinking that it’s a woman fucking him with her female penis ? Or that as he goes down on her and takes the penis into his mouth , he is giving a woman a blow job ?

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise. "

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

So sorry but I can’t see any logic in accepting ‘ female penis ‘as a legitimate term

Not at all. He's bi as its still a guy. If you was to blow him he'd be straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a heterosexual guy who sees a penis as a female sex organ please explain how he feels when he is sucking the said female penis , or has the said female penis up his arse ? Is he really thinking that it’s a woman fucking him with her female penis ? Or that as he goes down on her and takes the penis into his mouth , he is giving a woman a blow job ?

I’m genuinely confused on this ...."

Shes confused by what a strapon is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ...."

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay? "

Hes still gay. Why is a guy fucking a guy gonna make him less gay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Thats complete bull. A dick is a male sex organ, therefor the tv may identify as a female for that given time. But the guy is still sucking a dick. "

It's just a body part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?"

Thats not the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay?

Hes still gay. Why is a guy fucking a guy gonna make him less gay? "

Ffs, because she was born a woman. You’ve totally contradicted yourself !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ...."

The idea that a penis can be female if the owner identifies as female was put to me before. I have posited the idea here in the hope that someone who actually believes that will feel so incensed by the replies that they will come on and try to explain why this is not such a ludicrous idea.

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

Thats not the same. "

Why isn’t it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh just let it die for fuck’s sake. Live and let live, why should other people’s sexuality bother you? It’s absolutely none of your business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay?

Hes still gay. Why is a guy fucking a guy gonna make him less gay?

Ffs, because she was born a woman. You’ve totally contradicted yourself !!!! "

I never went on about dna.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh just let it die for fuck’s sake. Live and let live, why should other people’s sexuality bother you? It’s absolutely none of your business"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit."

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay?

Hes still gay. Why is a guy fucking a guy gonna make him less gay?

Ffs, because she was born a woman. You’ve totally contradicted yourself !!!!

I never went on about dna. "

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

Thats not the same.

Why isn’t it? "

Because one's plastic and the other is real.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise.

I know a gay man who’s attracted to transgender men ( female to male), does that make him bi then, cause he identifies as gay?

Hes still gay. Why is a guy fucking a guy gonna make him less gay?

Ffs, because she was born a woman. You’ve totally contradicted yourself !!!!

I never went on about dna.

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?!"

It was the maker of this thread that started the dna crap. Not me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

Thats not the same.

Why isn’t it?

Because one's plastic and the other is real. "

I give up....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit. "

No,I thought that all along. I wanted someone who doesn't think it's BS to tell us why it is not BS but they can't so they won't.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

OP just give in lol

You cannot have an educated discussion with most people on Fab. It's that simple really. Unless you agree with the clique you have no chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I'd be the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I’d honestly find the insights useful if I was considering meeting somebody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I'd be the same.

Yeah that was the point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit.

No,I thought that all along. I wanted someone who doesn't think it's BS to tell us why it is not BS but they can't so they won't. "

So you went all that way just to annoy?

You're whats wrong with these threads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people believe what they believe and like what they like and feel the way they feel

so what the hell business is it of anybody else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP just give in lol

You cannot have an educated discussion with most people on Fab. It's that simple really. Unless you agree with the clique you have no chance.

Clique?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"people believe what they believe and like what they like and feel the way they feel

so what the hell business is it of anybody else "

Once again for the people in the back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I'd be the same.

Not my type anyway.

Yeah that was the point"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit.

No,I thought that all along. I wanted someone who doesn't think it's BS to tell us why it is not BS but they can't so they won't. "

You still have your penis. Are you a man?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I’d honestly find the insights useful if I was considering meeting somebody "

I’d like to take my mobility scooter thread back, it was taken out of context!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I’d honestly find the insights useful if I was considering meeting somebody

I’d like to take my mobility scooter thread back, it was taken out of context! "

I missed that one and it’s not on your green arrow, you’re safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s about time they introduced the green arrow on profiles. Admin, get on it

I’d get blocked by even more people in the forums than I already do if they do that !

I’d honestly find the insights useful if I was considering meeting somebody

I’d like to take my mobility scooter thread back, it was taken out of context!

I missed that one and it’s not on your green arrow, you’re safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit.

No,I thought that all along. I wanted someone who doesn't think it's BS to tell us why it is not BS but they can't so they won't.

So you went all that way just to annoy?

You're whats wrong with these threads. "

Being annoying wasn't my primary goal but I don't mind that I am.

I genuinely wanted someone to explain the female penis thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are you guys talking about?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Who are you guys talking about? "

More a case of what are they talking about ?

What possible relevance it has on this thread is anyone’s guess ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May have gone on a bit of a tangent

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

They would be very manly would they? "

Correct. Is manliness what makes a man?

"It was the maker of this thread that started the dna crap. Not me."

No, it wasn’t. It was Piece of Cake, in the last thread.

"Beautiful women aren’t your type OP ?"

I’m the OP of this thread, btw.

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over a year ago

"Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

They would be very manly would they?

Correct. Is manliness what makes a man?

It was the maker of this thread that started the dna crap. Not me.

No, it wasn’t. It was Piece of Cake, in the last thread.

Beautiful women aren’t your type OP ?

I’m the OP of this thread, btw."

OOP (Original OP)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

So sorry but I can’t see any logic in accepting ‘ female penis ‘as a legitimate term "

Same.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Sure you can have a female penis, I've got man boobs

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We just rid of one Tranny fantasist that promoted a lot of misinformation concerning Trans, seems his clique are filling the gap he left....

Its awfull seeking to impose that sordid mythical Trans heirarchy on the fabswingers membership and all the nonsense and confusion that goes with it...

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina? "

Absolutely, google Buck Angel. He has been around for a while now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina? "

Justin Beiber is a male vagina

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Justin Beiber is a male vagina"

Bieber?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Justin Beiber is a male vagina"

Hey hang on m my wife thinks he is as fit as fuck !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Justin Beiber is a male vagina"

He has gone through half of the young Hollywood starts though.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

While you’re back, Young Guy...

"]Okay. So if a person has no masculinity, and lots of femininity, they’re not male?

They would be very manly would they?"

Correct. So, is manliness what makes a man?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Justin Beiber is a male vagina

Hey hang on m my wife thinks he is as fit as fuck ! "

I’d heard about that one person who fancied Justin Bieber

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok bit late to this thread but was doing research.

So I have a friend who has a degree in genealogy and she works a lot with DNA, so I wanted to get her input on this as there seems to be a lot of people who are stating things that I wanted to check.

Basically what she said was, genetically there is no female penis, the DNA code to create and develops the penis is mainly found in the SRY gene. This gene is found in the Y chromosome. So no Y chromosome = No SRY = No penis.

This means that even if you have surgery to change your penis into a vagina, you still have the Y chromosome inside you, so from a biological/genetic standpoint, you would still be a man, regardless of what you look like on the outside.

Gender is different because gender is what someone identifies as. Gender is a spectrum and can be changed to whatever you want to be. But biologically you are still what you were assigned at birth.

I hope that clears a few things up. I wasn't looking to offend anyone or anything, I just felt that we should listen to someone who actually studies this and knows more than most of us do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok bit late to this thread but was doing research.

So I have a friend who has a degree in genealogy and she works a lot with DNA, so I wanted to get her input on this as there seems to be a lot of people who are stating things that I wanted to check.

Gender is different because gender is what someone identifies as. Gender is a spectrum and can be changed to whatever you want to be. But biologically you are still what you were assigned at birth.

I hope that clears a few things up. I wasn't looking to offend anyone or anything, I just felt that we should listen to someone who actually studies this and knows more than most of us do"

Finally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok bit late to this thread but was doing research.

So I have a friend who has a degree in genealogy and she works a lot with DNA, so I wanted to get her input on this as there seems to be a lot of people who are stating things that I wanted to check.

Gender is different because gender is what someone identifies as. Gender is a spectrum and can be changed to whatever you want to be. But biologically you are still what you were assigned at birth.

I hope that clears a few things up. I wasn't looking to offend anyone or anything, I just felt that we should listen to someone who actually studies this and knows more than most of us do

Finally

Meant to say she has a degree in genetics not genealogy, damn autocorrect

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Gender is different because gender is what someone identifies as. Gender is a spectrum and can be changed to whatever you want to be."

For the avoidance of any doubt, these two sentences are the important bit to the discussion we’re having.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok bit late to this thread but was doing research.

So I have a friend who has a degree in genealogy and she works a lot with DNA, so I wanted to get her input on this as there seems to be a lot of people who are stating things that I wanted to check.

Gender is different because gender is what someone identifies as. Gender is a spectrum and can be changed to whatever you want to be. But biologically you are still what you were assigned at birth.

I hope that clears a few things up. I wasn't looking to offend anyone or anything, I just felt that we should listen to someone who actually studies this and knows more than most of us do"

That wasn't quite what was asked though. One person stated that if you have a penis,you are a man and that you have to have a penis to be a man (and vice versa for women).

The question was asked that if you have to have a penis to be a man,is someone who has had their penis removed,for whatever reason,no longer a man?

The answer seems to be,that it depends.

It depends on the reasons for penile removal and most of all it depends on what the person wants and feels.

The idea of changing penises into vaginas wasn't actually raised but,since we are on the subject of people more qualified than us to say,some very highly qualified people say that can happen. Some people might say that the vagina does not quakify as a vagina because of a persons DNA but,I would counter that by saying A) that the surgeon says it does and the surgeon knows best (doctor always knows best) and B) that a visual check is much easier to perform than a DNA test.

I never had my DNA checked,did you? It does seem a pretty useless way to identify someone in this context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That wasn't quite what was asked though. One person stated that if you have a penis,you are a man and that you have to have a penis to be a man (and vice versa for women).

The question was asked that if you have to have a penis to be a man,is someone who has had their penis removed,for whatever reason,no longer a man?

The answer seems to be,that it depends.

It depends on the reasons for penile removal and most of all it depends on what the person wants and feels.

I never had my DNA checked,did you? It does seem a pretty useless way to identify someone in this context."

I know that I wasn't exactly the first question, it's just that there was a lot of stuff about DNA being said that I thought I would check up on seeing as I have a close friend who works with it regularly.

Genetics can't be changed, it can be altered slightly by the use of hormones, but the chromosomes inside someone will stay the same throughout their life.

If we take the example of someone who was born a man, but decided to have surgery to remove his penis. Then biologically/genetically he would still be a male. Now of course they are able to identify as whatever gender they chose because gender is about how they feel, but they would still have the DNA of a male.

On the subject of checks, you are right that visual checks are often the simplest, but the do not tell everything. And it all depends on what sort of information you are looking for when you check. With regards to the surgeon, I would argue that the new vagina might look and work the same to the vagina of someone who was born female but because it has been made to act that way then some people would say that it doesn't count as a "real" one. And with regards to performing simply a visual check to find out, that wouldn't give enough information if you wanted to prove it, just because something looks like something else doesn't mean that it is that. I could take a tomato, paint it purple and call it a plum and using a visual check, other might agree, but the DNA of it would still be a tomato.

Like I said I don't want to offend anyone, I just want to talk about this and hope to clear a few things up

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"If we take the example of someone who was born a man, but decided to have surgery to remove his penis. Then biologically/genetically he would still be a male. Now of course they are able to identify as whatever gender they chose because gender is about how they feel, but they would still have the DNA of a male."

Don’t take this the wrong way, buddy, I know you’re trying to be helpful, but I don’t think you’re telling anyone anything they didn’t already know. I certainly would never claim that an operation would change DNA. Your references to gender are fleeting, but gender is the absolute crux of the issue. Since gender is changeable, someone born with a penis can be a woman. And since sexuality is based not just on biology but also (I would argue to a far greater degree) on gender, a man having sex with a woman who happens to have a penis, because he’s sexually attracted to women, is neither bi- not homosexual. It’s pretty simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That wasn't quite what was asked though. One person stated that if you have a penis,you are a man and that you have to have a penis to be a man (and vice versa for women).

The question was asked that if you have to have a penis to be a man,is someone who has had their penis removed,for whatever reason,no longer a man?

The answer seems to be,that it depends.

It depends on the reasons for penile removal and most of all it depends on what the person wants and feels.

I never had my DNA checked,did you? It does seem a pretty useless way to identify someone in this context.

Genetics can't be changed, it can be altered slightly by the use of hormones, but the chromosomes inside someone will stay the same throughout their life.

Like I said I don't want to offend anyone, I just want to talk about this and hope to clear a few things up"

Again,we get the chromosome argument but,again I say 'what use is that when it's so difficult to check?' Again,I never had my chromosomes checked,did you? probably not so again,a pretty useless way of identifying someone in this context.

For an example, I see you are described above as 'Man'. I can see from a quick glance that is probably accurate,I don't need to ask about your genetics,your DNA or your chromosomes to accept it.I may be assuming a lot but I just accept that you are a man.

It doesn't seem right also,to say that some vaginas are not real vaginas because they were not made to do what most other vaginas were made to do.That logic could be carried over into many other arguments but for a start,it doesn't take into account the wonderful,almost infinite variety of vaginas in the world,some of which may not perform certain tasks very well but may perform other tasks admirably. We wouldn't say that any of them are not real because of some slight deficiency,would we? (we could quite easily carry that logic on to a criticism of some men,,but I won't).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of men who are attracted to TV/ Ts aren’t attracted to men, so calling them bi is in correct.

No its not as a tv is just a guy in disguise. "

But a TV identifies as female and the guy is fucking a female...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah ok, so I may have misunderstood the original point of this thread.

I apologise for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah ok, so I may have misunderstood the original point of this thread.

I apologise for that"

Nothing wrong with having a discussion within a discussion. Sticking to the point is highly over rated in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think a trans person will ever be completely male or, completely female in the physical sense due to DNA, lack of a womb inability to have periods or to give birth. I think most know the physical reality of that!

The mind is a completely different kettle of fish.

It's personality and behaviour that makes a person. If a person's personality and behaviour doesn't align with their physical appearance, it must be a really difficult life to live.

It's brilliant that we have the medical ability these days to help someone achieve the body they feel they should have been born into. If it helps someone live a happy and full life and lowers suicide rates... where's the problem?

People that have successfully transitioned or, are just embarking on that journey and, from the little I know, both physically and mentally, it's a slow and painful journey, shouldn't be singled out and reduced to a purely sexual object. They should be looked at as inspirational people! Their tanasity, inner strength, the ability to survive and succeed, to achieve their goals in the face of adversity, to become the people they want to be and, to be worthwhile members of a society that is against them and, to flick a finger at that society is admirable!

Personally, if I found myself in a situation with someone that looked like a woman, talked like a woman, thought like a woman and walked like a woman, that I had found myself attracted too, and we got on well together... if my feelings had gone that far and then she told me she used to be a man (physically) I wouldn't give monkeys, I'd go with my initial feelings.

If she still had a cock...it would be a very new and different situation but, I'd go with my initial feelings, all be it slightly nervously.

The ability to define a person by the presence of a particular sexual organ and how they choose to use it or, how another enjoys it never ceases to amaze me. To narrow a transgender persons issues down to one of just sex, I am sure is wrong! All the women on this site know that being a woman is so much more than about having a pussy and, all the men on this site know that being a man is so much more than having a cock! Why should it be any different for a trans person, where ever they came from physically or, whichever direction they're heading in, or for anyone unfortunate enough to have lost their genitals through accident or illness.

The mind is far more powerful than any other part of our bodies and our own, and others should be treated with respect!

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"I don't think a trans person will ever be completely male or, completely female in the physical sense due to DNA, lack of a womb inability to have periods or to give birth. I think most know the physical reality of that!"

The DNA part is kinda fixed, but there are cis-women who don’t have a womb, can’t have periods or give birth. Does that make them ‘less’ female? And if it doesn’t, how does it make trans-women ‘less’ female?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

What’s pretty simple is that there are still plenty of people who will disagree with this notion . The fact that as you say , people can change their gender as often as most of us change our socks , means that the guy fucking the woman with a penis may be straight ( by your logic ) all the time she is feeling like a woman . But he isn’t straight should she decide to feel like a man halfway through is he ? So there’s nothing simple about that is there ?

And it’s people like you spouting this kind of rhetoric that make us average people who believe in the simple premise of human biology and gender , hold our heads in despair at where it will end . Perhaps complete androgyny for the human race , then we could all agree ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All though I ramble, I think the answer to that is within my post... somewhere! Maybe not clearly

"It's personality and behaviour that makes a person."

How someone identifies themselves is a huge part of this.

If I lost my cock tomorrow, I would never cease to be a man. I wouldn't feel complete and, it would probably cause me an enormous amount of phsycological problems but, I wouldn't all of a sudden become a woman or, start to identify as a woman. I doubt very much if those around me would view me as a woman, although, some might judge me as a lesser man.

I wouldn't start to fancy men and the woman I was with wouldn't all of a sudden be a lesbian!

It's what is in a person's head and heart that we should let define them!

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I think we’re in agreement; I don’t think a lack of penis would turn you into a woman. Which is why I don’t think the presence of a penis is particularly important.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This debate goes on and on.

Some people want things to be really simple - but only in the way that they want to think. There are many ways to look at this very simply - ask the people themselves how they identify. And if you don't want sex with them, then go and find the people that you do. Someone identifies as a woman a man, pansexual plus gay, bi, straight etc - then they are the only people that it should be important for.

Human biology and psychology are very complex and I'm assuming that the op and most of us aren't world leading experts in these fields. Human chromosomes that influence sex and gender are also not as clear-cut as some would like them to be. There are many influences, above and beyond just having either XX or XY chromosomal patterns - more patterns and also influences upon them and how these chromosomes are manifested and determine sex and gender.

What about someone with XX chromosomes with a penis op? Typically assigned as male sex at birth, their XX chromosomes would hint they are a woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we’re in agreement; I don’t think a lack of penis would turn you into a woman. Which is why I don’t think the presence of a penis is particularly important."

Absolutely!

I expect that neither of us are bothered that there are some people that it is important too either.

It's more the ones that feel the need to vocalise that it's important to them, in a disrespectful, degrading demeaning and ignorant way with absolutely no intention of at least trying to understand the complexities.

I wouldn't say I fully understand or, that some of my ramblings and assumptions are correct but, even if someone doesn't want or need to understand... I wish they would show a little more tolerance and respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anybody,even those with a degree in Genetics,really believe that they know all there is to know about DNA?

As mentioned before,i was listening to a programme the other day which made it clear that our understanding has barely scratched the surface.When I say 'our' understanding,i mean humanity in general,not armchair experts on here. So anyone who says to me 'this or that cannot/must be true because,,,,DNA' can just kiss my a**. You don't know it all,nobody does.Anybody who claims to know it all clearly has a closed mind and is not worth the waste of effort involved in arguing with them. It is the same mentality that, in times past,would have burned people at the stake for saying the earth revolved around the sun. Closed minds,unreceptive and hostile to new ideas and incapable of grasping that their knowledge is incomplete.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"But he isn’t straight should she decide to feel like a man halfway through is he ? So there’s nothing simple about that is there ?"

There is something simple.

Yes, some people are gender fluid. They tend to be open about that, so I sorely doubt they’d have a sexual partner who would be uncomfortable with that fluidity, and be concerned about the labels.

I am not the problem causing you to hold your head in despair. The problem is the woefully inadequate way we were all educated about this. I learned to catch up, and learn what’s actually happening in the world. You seem determined to change the real world around you to fit your outdated model.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be interesting to hear from a gender fluid person about whether or not they really do switch from one gender to the other in a matter of seconds,sometimes even during sex.

I very much doubt that is their reality,more likely an fabrication of those who would deny their identity without knowing much about them.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"But he isn’t straight should she decide to feel like a man halfway through is he ? So there’s nothing simple about that is there ?

There is something simple.

Yes, some people are gender fluid. They tend to be open about that, so I sorely doubt they’d have a sexual partner who would be uncomfortable with that fluidity, and be concerned about the labels.

My outdated model ?

Perhaps you’re right , the new model is way over my head in so many ways . I truly do despair at how I can explain it all to my eleven year old son , as I don’t want him to be as outdated as I am . And it has to be said that with the gender fluid thing , my wife , who is much younger than I am , finds that difficult to understand too .

I guess in the years ahead it will all just be normal and everyone will wonder what the fuss was about .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a cis-gendered female. I'm infertile and don't have the ability to have periods of reproduce. Does that make me not 'completely female'?

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

I am a cis-gendered female. I'm infertile and don't have the ability to have periods of reproduce. Does that make me not 'completely female'?"

Does it really matter? They're just words until someone gives them meaning, and the only meaning that counts is the one you want to use.

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over a year ago

I am a cis-gendered female. I'm infertile and don't have the ability to have periods of reproduce. Does that make me not 'completely female'?

Does it really matter? They're just words until someone gives them meaning, and the only meaning that counts is the one you want to use."

Yeah is does matter actually. When generalisations are made that have the ability to hurt and dismiss someone's identity. I'm sorry you don't see that.

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Absolutely, google Buck Angel. He has been around for a while now."

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"If you can have a female penis, can you have a male vagina?

Absolutely, google Buck Angel. He has been around for a while now.

Oh my days !

Now I’m seriously confused .....

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Actually, talking of Buck Angel, that’s a great point. I wonder how folk like Young Guy 95 would feel about having sex with a trans-man. Surely, by his logic, he’d be a-okay with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mind is a completely different kettle of fish.

It's personality and behaviour that makes a person. If a person's personality and behaviour doesn't align with their physical appearance, it must be a really difficult life to live.

If she still had a cock...it would be a very new and different situation but, I'd go with my initial feelings, all be it slightly nervously.

The mind is far more powerful than any other part of our bodies and our own, and others should be treated with respect!"

Delusions of the mind, fancifull desires, convincing oneself that one is such and such, yes the mind is a powerfull force and saying you are a woman trapped in a mans body is no proof that you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a cis-gendered female. I'm infertile and don't have the ability to have periods of reproduce. Does that make me not 'completely female'?"

You have taken one paragraph out of many. And, have taken it out of context. The lines you have chosen to quote me on are to do with gender reassignment and not someone in your situation. I think I was clear enough in all the posts I made that, I personally believe that it is what's in someone's heart and head that defines them as a person and, what gender they are!

I have a friend that is infertile due to endometriosis. For a period of time, she did feel incomplete when, all around her her friends were having children and, thoughtless family members were coming out with comments like "I expect it will be your turn soon". I think she's at peace with herself about it now!

I personally don't think it makes you any less of a woman, just like the post I made about how I would feel if I lost my cock!

The paragraph was not meant to offend and, starts with "I think"!

Could anyone that has gone through gender reassignment answer the following question?

Do you feel 100% of the time that you are the gender you have reassigned to or, is there a part of you that believes you're as close as you can get but, occasionally have regrets that you couldn't go that little bit further and experience pregnancy and giving birth to make you feel complete?

Obviously any answers can't be viewed as conclusive as people are all different and I expect that different people will have different emotional perspectives on this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mind is a completely different kettle of fish.

It's personality and behaviour that makes a person. If a person's personality and behaviour doesn't align with their physical appearance, it must be a really difficult life to live.

If she still had a cock...it would be a very new and different situation but, I'd go with my initial feelings, all be it slightly nervously.

The mind is far more powerful than any other part of our bodies and our own, and others should be treated with respect!

Delusions of the mind, fancifull desires, convincing oneself that one is such and such, yes the mind is a powerfull force and saying you are a woman trapped in a mans body is no proof that you are"

And not proof a person isn't either! So, what is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a cis-gendered female. I'm infertile and don't have the ability to have periods of reproduce. Does that make me not 'completely female'?

I personally don't think it makes you any less of a woman, just like the post I made about how I would feel if I lost my cock!

The paragraph was not meant to offend and, starts with "I think"!

Could anyone that has gone through gender reassignment answer the following question?

Obviously any answers can't be viewed as conclusive as people are all different and I expect that different people will have different emotional perspectives on this!"

I have gone through what some might call gender reassignment (not my term) and,in answer,yes.I do 100% of the time feel that I am of the gender that I have (always did feel that way TBH). Maybe a small part of me regrets not having children but I'm not alone in that,maybe that just gives me more empathy with any other woman who cannot have children for whatever reason. Maybe I also regret that I couldn't just take a wonder pill and become a stunning beauty overnight but,that is not a realistic aspiration for any woman.

If I ever have regrets,I regret that some of the procedures I underwent could not have had better outcomes and that I wasn't in a position to do it at a much younger age.

I certainly don't regret having gone through what I went through and,contrary to what some might tell you,not many trans women do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could anyone that has gone through gender reassignment answer the following question?

Obviously any answers can't be viewed as conclusive as people are all different and I expect that different people will have different emotional perspectives on this!

If I ever have regrets,I regret that some of the procedures I underwent could not have had better outcomes and that I wasn't in a position to do it at a much younger age.

I certainly don't regret having gone through what I went through and,contrary to what some might tell you,not many trans women do."

Sorry, gender reassignment seamed to be the politest or most acceptable way of putting it that I know!

Thank you for answering my question and not being offended at anything that possibly, through my ignorance, could have caused offence! I am happy that you are happy!

I would like to hear what others have to say about their own experience.

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over a year ago

"Could anyone that has gone through gender reassignment answer the following question?

Obviously any answers can't be viewed as conclusive as people are all different and I expect that different people will have different emotional perspectives on this!

If I ever have regrets,I regret that some of the procedures I underwent could not have had better outcomes and that I wasn't in a position to do it at a much younger age.

I certainly don't regret having gone through what I went through and,contrary to what some might tell you,not many trans women do.

Sorry, gender reassignment seamed to be the politest or most acceptable way of putting it that I know!

Thank you for answering my question and not being offended at anything that possibly, through my ignorance, could have caused offence! I am happy that you are happy!

I would like to hear what others have to say about their own experience."

TBH,I do believe Gender Reassignment is the accepted medical and legal term (or one of them at least),just not one that I use. I certainly am not offended. In fact,I believe that people getting offended at words are enemies of free speech and I believe in free speech,I'm old fashioned like that.

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over a year ago

"Could anyone that has gone through gender reassignment answer the following question?

Obviously any answers can't be viewed as conclusive as people are all different and I expect that different people will have different emotional perspectives on this!

If I ever have regrets,I regret that some of the procedures I underwent could not have had better outcomes and that I wasn't in a position to do it at a much younger age.

I certainly don't regret having gone through what I went through and,contrary to what some might tell you,not many trans women do.

Sorry, gender reassignment seamed to be the politest or most acceptable way of putting it that I know!

Thank you for answering my question and not being offended at anything that possibly, through my ignorance, could have caused offence! I am happy that you are happy!

I would like to hear what others have to say about their own experience.

Some things should never go out of fashion. Unfortunately some people do see it as a right to be deliberately hurtful, which isn't how I interpret the meaning of freedom of speech. It's all in the delivery

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

The preferred term for the surgery among trans people, and becoming so at the clinics and among the surgeons themselves now, is Gender Confirmation Surgery (GCS). It confirms one into the gender that one already is internally.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

Thats not the same.

Why isn’t it? "

So if a guy who has lost his dick due to whatever reason used a strap on that wouldn't be the same either then?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

Unfortunately,it seems that no one else is prepared or able to defend the indefensible.It is clearly bullshit.

Finally. You get that a female penis is bullshit.

No,I thought that all along. I wanted someone who doesn't think it's BS to tell us why it is not BS but they can't so they won't.

So you went all that way just to annoy?

You're whats wrong with these threads. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The preferred term for the surgery among trans people, and becoming so at the clinics and among the surgeons themselves now, is Gender Confirmation Surgery (GCS). It confirms one into the gender that one already is internally. "

Doesn't that term contradict what a lot of trans peole keep saying? Ie that the physical form and the internal identity are different matters. If surgery is needed to confirm the internal identity then it is surely linked to the physical form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female)."

I’m sorry but I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life. You can’t just make things up to suit your own agenda. There is no such thing as a male vagina or a female penis. End of story. This is the problem with this PC world. The Lbgt community come out with all this stuff and nobody is allowed to challenge it for fear of being called homophobic or whatever. If a guy puts a cock in his mouth, hand or arse or puts his own cock in the mouth, hand or arse of another guy then he is bi at the minimum. There is no in between and there is no such thing as “I’m not gay because the guy had a dress on so it was a female penis”. Utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Well,you said that no one is allowed to challenge this nonsense for fear of being labelled homophobic but then you went on to challenge the nonsense that I said and, so far, no one has labelled you as homophobic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

You posted 38 mins ago so the LGBT 'community' have not exactly leaded on you. Maybe they are all still tucked up in bed or,,,maybe they are carefully composing a well researched and thoughtful rebuttal of your point. It's possible, I suppose.

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over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

All the research in the world won’t alter the fact there’s no such thing as a male vagina or female penis. The very idea of it is ridiculous. I understand where you’re coming from but bring male or female is a lot more than a state of mind. If I was to put lipstick and a dress on a pig and shag it because in my mind I think said pig is a woman, am I shagging a pig in a dress or a woman? By your logic I am shagging a woman which is equally as nonsensical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Is it a male or female pig?

Does the pig identify itself as a human female or, is that identity being forced on it by you?

I'd like to hear what the pig has to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Is it a male or female pig?

Does the pig identify itself as a human female or, is that identity being forced on it by you?

I'd like to hear what the pig has to say

Well I don’t think it really matters because it has been suggested that a man who sucks the cock of a ts who identifies as a female isn’t gay or bi because he is sucking a female cock. So regardless of what the pig thinks, if the guy shagging it believes the pig identifies as female then he is shagging a woman. Well he isn’t but by the logic being suggested he is. I stand by my nonsense theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Not exactly. By ''my'' logic,it wouldn't matter how you identified the pig,the pigs own sense of self identity would be the deciding factor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Not exactly. By ''my'' logic,it wouldn't matter how you identified the pig,the pigs own sense of self identity would be the deciding factor."

Ok well let’s say for arguments sake the pig identified as a human female. Would the guy then be shagging a pig or a human female?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Is it a male or female pig?

Does the pig identify itself as a human female or, is that identity being forced on it by you?

I'd like to hear what the pig has to say

I'm not convinced by the female cock male vagina argument either! And I'm sure that some cd/TVs identify themselves as men in dresses and are doing it because it feels nice and like a bit of role play. In that case, any man interacting is likely to feel comfortable identifying as bi,(I would think).

What if a man falls for a pre op TS. He has no history of being attracted to men. It was the TS femininity and personality he was attracted too. They embark on a long term relationship. The man never touched the TS cock because she doesn't like it, the mere existence of it is emotionally painful for her.

During the course of love making the man penertrates her arse. They stay together and he supports her through her change and, one day, there is no cock, She has a pussy for him to ravage. They continue their relationship, her very much a she now and him, never ever having been attracted to any man, past or present with, no interest in cock. Or, maybe he did play with her cock because it made her happy but, now it's gone, it matters not, they're both happy with her body and he's never looked at a cock before or since?

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over a year ago

"It's all very simple really.The original question was something like,'is a guy who goes with a tv ,gay or bi'. Well,the answer is obviously no.And here's why.

If the TV identifies as female,then she identifies that way entirely,her heart is female,her brain is female,her little toe is female and her penis is also female.

Therefore the guy,whatever he gets up to with her,is getting up to those things with someone with a female penis.

So,as I said,it's all very simple. A guy can put a trans cock in his mouth safe in the knowledge that he's still as straight as an arrow. (as long as she identifies as female).

Give it time

Is it a male or female pig?

Does the pig identify itself as a human female or, is that identity being forced on it by you?

I'd like to hear what the pig has to say

That’s totally different then isn’t it. He’s fallen for a woman who used to be a man which is fair enough. This discussion is a totally different thing all together.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?"

If the guy has fallen for the female attributes displayed by the pre op ts and doesn’t go near his/her cock then it’s different to what is being discussed. If he does play with the cock then it isn’t different at all, he is then bi. In short, if a man plays with a cock regardless of who is the owner of it he is bi.

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?"

Bearing in mind that although he hadn't touched her cock, he had made love to her by putting his cock in her arse.

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?"

If he played with the cock when she had it then yes, I’d say so. I’m no expert on the subject and all going off in a tangent to try and muddy the waters or catch me out doesn’t alter the fact that there’s no such thing as a female cock which is what is being discussed. I’ve made my point.

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?

Bearing in mind that although he hadn't touched her cock, he had made love to her by putting his cock in her arse."

Of course not, he’s shagging a man in a frock at that point.

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over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?

No, I'm not trying to catch you out, definitely not!

I think if I was the man in the scenario, I wouldn't identify as a bi male but would totally get why others would see me as one. I guess I would have to get used to it and learn not to let it bother me.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?

Bearing in mind that although he hadn't touched her cock, he had made love to her by putting his cock in her arse.

Of course not, he’s shagging a man in a frock at that point. "

So any man that has anal with a woman, without touching or exploring whether she has cock or vagina, is bi and is shagging a man in a frock?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what point does it become ‘totally different’?

So when the transition is complete is he still bi now he only has a pussy to play with?

Bearing in mind that although he hadn't touched her cock, he had made love to her by putting his cock in her arse.

Of course not, he’s shagging a man in a frock at that point.

So any man that has anal with a woman, without touching or exploring whether she has cock or vagina, is bi and is shagging a man in a frock?"

Don’t be stupid. It’s the act of anal with somebody with a cock which makes you bi not just the act of anal.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I’m genuinely confused on this ....

What about when I use a strap on, isn’t that effectively the same thing, I’m a ‘chick with a dick’ in a mental sense?

Thats not the same.

Why isn’t it?

So if a guy who has lost his dick due to whatever reason used a strap on that wouldn't be the same either then? "

It’s highly unlikely that a heterosexual guy is going to go down on a guy with a strap on , or have the guy with a strap on shagging him . I think we would all agree on that , so I hope we’ve cleared that one up .

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"In short, if a man plays with a cock regardless of who is the owner of it he is bi. "

So, every man who has ever masturbated is bi.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"I’m no expert on the subject..."

That much is abundantly clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this stil going?

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

No. But while you’re here, google Buck Angel and tell us what you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m no expert on the subject...

That much is abundantly clear."

Well I’ve added a lot more to the discussion than you. All you have shown is that you know how to cut and paste and make snide jibes, very helpful and insightful. Well done.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?"

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your entitled to respect for your views my friend, common sense has been demonised by the policticly correct and by a small element of alleged Trans on the forums on these subjects...

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm rather disappointed to note that the person who actually claimed to HAVE a female penis has not seen fit to come on and argue their case. I tried on her behalf but my heart was never really in it.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story."

I’ve never made any claims about ‘female penises’. But, since gender is not defined by biology, and sexuality is defined by both the sex and gender of the subject of attraction, it’s ridiculous to suggest that the penis, which is only one of several biologically male attributes, is suddenly elevated to the position of being the one and only deciding factor in the sexuality of the other partner.

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over a year ago

I'm just gonna add this and this alone. A ts woman was stripped of all her titles and banned from competition in a physique contest. On the blood test they use to see if anything illegal has been used. Someone also mentioned she was a man before. They tested her and she was in fact a mtf. How does that not tell you that a ts can nevery truly be a woman? The moral of the story is that its all up for science vs whatever anyone else throws at it.

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over a year ago

"I'm just gonna add this and this alone. A ts woman was stripped of all her titles and banned from competition in a physique contest. On the blood test they use to see if anything illegal has been used. Someone also mentioned she was a man before. They tested her and she was in fact a mtf. How does that not tell you that a ts can nevery truly be a woman? The moral of the story is that its all up for science vs whatever anyone else throws at it. "

At the end of the day, when you switch the light out, when all is said and done and everything has settled and the suns have burnt out and the stars are put back in there boxes, does it really matter, we are merely shadows on the walls, our time is a but a fleeting moment in this thing we call life. The only guarantee is that all things must pass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?"

The initial blood test is for illegal substances used in contest. Someone reported her to the judges and she was forced go go and get a chromosome analysis. Dna showed she was a man so they banned her ans stripped her of all of her titles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?"

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her. "

I see.As I thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought."

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts? "

I have many, like shall I save my packet of Monster Munch for later, or just have them now.

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over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts? "

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Donald Trumps attempt to ban Trans people from the military has not actually been successful,was not based on any scientific reasoning and was definitely not motivated by fear that trans people would be unfair competition to anyone.

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over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans? "

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

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over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that."

I forgot,,,,we can't say we*dy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that."

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman. "

You never heard of satire?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman. "

She actually said that it doesn’t work like that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman.

You never heard of satire?"

Obviously not! It’s not even 6am where I am now and half asleep but I got it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman. "

Think it best you get your coat mate, if you can’t see she was joking!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman.

You never heard of satire?"

Yeah. I'm busy so. Skimmed. Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman.

You never heard of satire?

Yeah. I'm busy so. Skimmed. Sorry. "

You mean you didn't read,study and digest my every word? I'm hurt,I put a lot of effort into that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly did this blood test show?

Did you find this story in a genuine report? Can you show any links to this story? Is this an old urban myth that has been doing the rounds for years?

It was a story maybe 4y ago. Can't remember the name or the comp or her.

I see.As I thought.

It was an actual thing. Trump banned ts people to join the military. Thoughts?

'some very vague stuff,can't remember the details but,,,it proves my point',,,,err OK.

Why would anyone fear a trans person more than a non trans?

No idea but,,,thinking about it,it would make sense to have more trans people in the army.

The enemy sees a platoon and thinks 'ha.theyre just y women' and attack but it turns out they are all Rambos and our side win easily.

Only it doesn't actually work like that.

You have just contradicted this whole argument you hold on saying a trans woman is not a man.

You have just clearly said that they would see women but they would be rambos. So from that you don't accepted yourself of other mtf people as a woman.

You never heard of satire?

Yeah. I'm busy so. Skimmed. Sorry. "

You’re forgiven, you can’t skim satire.

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over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Who said it was the only deciding factor. I certainly didn’t. It’s a typical response to twist what a person has said to make it look like you were right all along. You’re talking shite I’m afraid. My point is that there is no such thing as a female penis or a male vagina. You can’t argue with facts no matter how much you dress it up. Just admit to yourself that you are bi if you enjoy playing with cocks, there’s nothing wrong with it. But to come up with all kinds of crazy notions of male vaginas and female cocks is just ridiculous. And that’s not aimed at you specifically, I’m being general. I refer to my pig in a dress analogy which explains it perfectly well. The pug will always be a pug no matter how it identifies or how others see it.

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over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at it another way. My work like most encourage people from ethnic minorities, females, lgbt types to go for promotion etc. As a white heterosexual male I’m on the back foot from the start. If I walked into an interview and told them that when I woke up that morning I identified as a black female lesbian. Would they give me the job as a black female lesbian or would they tell me to fuck off for taking the piss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Zzzzzzzzzzz"

Other threads are available, nobody is forcing you to read it.

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over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Other threads are available, nobody is forcing you to read it.

The thread is interesting but your response not so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I made the original thread like 5 days ago. How is this still going?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I made the original thread like 5 days ago. How is this still going? "

Don’t exaggerate, it was 4 days ago.

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over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Other threads are available, nobody is forcing you to read it.

The thread is interesting but your response not so much."

Boohoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I made the original thread like 5 days ago. How is this still going?

Don’t exaggerate, it was 4 days ago.

I did say like.

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over a year ago

Look at all the shit I got for this and its one of the most popular on the forums I've seen.

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over a year ago

"You’ve added narrow-mindedness to the discussion, which we had quite enough of already. Would you like to answer my last point? Have you never played with your own cock?

It doesn’t warrant an answer because it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I’m not narrow minded at all, saying that there is no such thing as a female cock or a male vagina is just stating the obvious not being narrow minded. End of story.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Other threads are available, nobody is forcing you to read it.

The thread is interesting but your response not so much."

The most interesting thing you have added to the discussion is a line of z’s, not really in a position to criticise eh

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Who said it was the only deciding factor. I certainly didn’t. It’s a typical response to twist what a person has said to make it look like you were right all along. You’re talking shite I’m afraid."

Right. So, when you said that a man having sexual activity with a trans-woman, but not touching her cock was straight, but that, “In short, if a man plays with a cock regardless of who is the owner of it he is bi,” how are you NOT saying that the cock is the deciding factor?

"My point is that there is no such thing as a female penis or a male vagina. You can’t argue with facts no matter how much you dress it up."

I’m guessing you are choosing to ignore me pointing out that I haven’t once disputed that.

"Just admit to yourself that you are bi if you enjoy playing with cocks, there’s nothing wrong with it. But to come up with all kinds of crazy notions of male vaginas and female cocks is just ridiculous. And that’s not aimed at you specifically, I’m being general."

I agree that there’s nothing wrong with being bi. There’s just nothing bi about a man having sex with a woman.

"I refer to my pig in a dress analogy which explains it perfectly well. The pug will always be a pug no matter how it identifies or how others see it. "

It explains something perfectly well, just not what you think.

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over a year ago

If the woman has a cock then she is not a woman, therefore you are bi.

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By *ubiousOatcake OP Man
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"If the woman has a cock then she is not a woman,"

That’s pretty offensive to some the trans-women here.

"therefore you are bi."

I’m sure you’re not directing that at me, since you don’t know any of my sexual partners.

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