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2018 Giro d'Italia

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did anyone watch the Giro today? Chris Froome is leading with two stages left, what an outstanding performance from Froome to destroy the field to win the stage by 3 mins in the mountains, he will be 3rd rider after Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault to win the Grand Slam of 3 Tours, a remarkable achievement.

I don't think he will win the Tour de France next month as he will be probably burned out by then but hope

Nairo Quintana will win the Tour.

Great day for British cycling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought he was miles behind and another British guy was winning?

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character

Not bad for an asthmatic!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I thought he was miles behind and another British guy was winning? "

Yes Simon Yates was burned out, he finished over 30 mins behind Froome today and out of the top ten overall but he did well considering what happens today.

It will be on tv 7pm this evening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably the greatest stage I’ve ever seen in a Grand Tour, watched in all. Audacious attack with 80km to go, brilliant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic! "

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic! "

Lol very true!

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By *entle giraffeMan
over a year ago

Minehead

It was a fantastic stage and such a determined ride by Froome.

Hopefully he has something left for tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato! "

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did anyone watch the Giro today? Chris Froome is leading with two stages left, what an outstanding performance from Froome to destroy the field to win the stage by 3 mins in the mountains, he will be 3rd rider after Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault to win the Grand Slam of 3 Tours, a remarkable achievement.

I don't think he will win the Tour de France next month as he will be probably burned out by then but hope

Nairo Quintana will win the Tour.

Great day for British cycling."

Cheers for the heads up, I'll Sky+ those highlights and watch later on when I get in.

That's one hell of a comeback as he was well out of it from what I've seen. Pro cyclists are hard as fuck and a lot of people underestimate just how superhuman some of these guys are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And people call Team Sky robotic and boring, but that was the greatest attack in modern cycling.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism"

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Giro is my Favorite Grand Tour, the Tour de France is pretty formulaic in comparison. Vuelta is good but the scenery isn’t as picturesque.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend "

Define clean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably the greatest stage I’ve ever seen in a Grand Tour, watched in all. Audacious attack with 80km to go, brilliant. "

And me, certainly in recent years. Llandis managed it but then tested positive which pretty much negates it. Before that I think chiapucci was likely the last to risk it all on do or die long distance attacks buy never won a GT, pantani would attack but never like that.

Froome was awesone today, in fact the way he has rode this tour has been fantastic as he was so far down (a first for him) amd has just chipped away getting closer to the podium. SKY follow the Armstrong boring but effective script of control the race, attack late on the final climb amd it is so fucking predictable. And I can't remember the last time any rider risked a guaranteed podium spot with a do or die attack like that.

Froome was the stuff of legends today. I'm not sure he has silenced all his critics but he certainly silenced this one

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend "

Really? This is from the Guardian a few weeks ago...

Froome’s failed test recorded a level of salbutamol at 2000ng/ml, double the amount permitted by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Under new Wada rules there is an allowance made for specific gravity, in effect to take account of possible dehydration and urine concentration.

It is understood Froome’s reading has been recalibrated to 1429ng/ml, which is still an adverse analytical finding and could lead to an anti-doping rule violation.

Regardless of the doping, today's result is still an awesome achievement.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean? "

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend "

He's under investigation fit testing twice the permitted level of salbutamol. A number of other riders have been banned for exactly the same thing. The reason he is still racing is because it's not a banned drug (automatic and immediate ban) but a restricted one so he's free to race until the investigation is complete. The investigation is very much ongoing and the liklihood of a ban based on similar cases is very real.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Really? This is from the Guardian a few weeks ago...

Froome’s failed test recorded a level of salbutamol at 2000ng/ml, double the amount permitted by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Under new Wada rules there is an allowance made for specific gravity, in effect to take account of possible dehydration and urine concentration.

It is understood Froome’s reading has been recalibrated to 1429ng/ml, which is still an adverse analytical finding and could lead to an anti-doping rule violation.

Regardless of the doping, today's result is still an awesome achievement. "

So they reckon they were 571ng/ml out with there original test, just shows inaccurate there tests are, what a joke.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

froome was epic today but i feel so gutted for simon yates! he has been fantastic for two weeks..... but this is the reason grand tours are 3 weeks long!...

froome has had 2 good days in this giro and really taken advantage!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Giro is my Favorite Grand Tour, the Tour de France is pretty formulaic in comparison. Vuelta is good but the scenery isn’t as picturesque. "

have to say i am a huge fan of the Vuelta.....because it tends to have the most vicious mountains, the giro was always the easiest of the 3, but in the last couple of years they have really go and made it more of a challenge!

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

Froomie is a legend....he'll be the 1st to do in this tour format...back in the day the vuelta was staged over a diffrrent time of year i recall reading....chrus froome...class act...didnt freak out after the 1st week or do bring a right bit down on the GC...eased his way into the grand tour...chapeau!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did anyone watch the Giro today? Chris Froome is leading with two stages left, what an outstanding performance from Froome to destroy the field to win the stage by 3 mins in the mountains, he will be 3rd rider after Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault to win the Grand Slam of 3 Tours, a remarkable achievement.

I don't think he will win the Tour de France next month as he will be probably burned out by then but hope

Nairo Quintana will win the Tour.

Great day for British cycling."

To be a pedant he's far from the 3rd rider to have won all 3 grand tours. In addition to merckx and hinault I think Jacques Anquetil managed it before either of them and Contador and Nibali have both won all 3 in more recent years. There may be others too. Oh and contador managed to win all 3 at least twice during his career

Froome will I think be the first to win them consecutively albeit not in the same season

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Giro is my Favorite Grand Tour, the Tour de France is pretty formulaic in comparison. Vuelta is good but the scenery isn’t as picturesque.

have to say i am a huge fan of the Vuelta.....because it tends to have the most vicious mountains, the giro was always the easiest of the 3, but in the last couple of years they have really go and made it more of a challenge! "

I like the Vuelta. It used to be on April but moving it to the end of the season has made it a much better race. It's full of riders trying to save their season or hone their form fir the world's. They also have some fucking crazy stage profiles!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

"

Where was the petty debate about doping, most like me were saying it was the best stage they had ever seen and were praising him ?!

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

My money is on nibali gor the tour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Giro is my Favorite Grand Tour, the Tour de France is pretty formulaic in comparison. Vuelta is good but the scenery isn’t as picturesque.

have to say i am a huge fan of the Vuelta.....because it tends to have the most vicious mountains, the giro was always the easiest of the 3, but in the last couple of years they have really go and made it more of a challenge!

I like the Vuelta. It used to be on April but moving it to the end of the season has made it a much better race. It's full of riders trying to save their season or hone their form fir the world's. They also have some fucking crazy stage profiles!"
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Think there was a 11 mountain top finishes last year that’s why I like it. Sprint stages bore the shit out of me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My money is on nibali gor the tour "

Mine too. Not least because he knows he can handle the cobbles in the first week. He's a fantastic all rounder (far more so than most GC contenders) and the course will suit him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How's the investigation into him taken banned substances going?

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey


"Giro is my Favorite Grand Tour, the Tour de France is pretty formulaic in comparison. Vuelta is good but the scenery isn’t as picturesque.

have to say i am a huge fan of the Vuelta.....because it tends to have the most vicious mountains, the giro was always the easiest of the 3, but in the last couple of years they have really go and made it more of a challenge!

I like the Vuelta. It used to be on April but moving it to the end of the season has made it a much better race. It's full of riders trying to save their season or hone their form fir the world's. They also have some fucking crazy stage profiles!.

Think there was a 11 mountain top finishes last year that’s why I like it. Sprint stages bore the shit out of me! "

Thats what sorts out the GC from the grupetto....gotta love the reality of these guys going up monster gradients as quick as some folk on the flat...its what grand tours are made for...i love the classics...roubaix...flanders... but stages that make or break the grand tours are the mountain stages...great drama

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

Where was the petty debate about doping, most like me were saying it was the best stage they had ever seen and were praising him ?!"

I count 2 posts in response to his claim the froome is 100% clean both stating facts about an ongoing doping investigation. I'm not sure either how that's a petty debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

Where was the petty debate about doping, most like me were saying it was the best stage they had ever seen and were praising him ?!

I count 2 posts in response to his claim the froome is 100% clean both stating facts about an ongoing doping investigation. I'm not sure either how that's a petty debate. "

Yeah I know, he should go on Cycling News and read there forums!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

Where was the petty debate about doping, most like me were saying it was the best stage they had ever seen and were praising him ?!

I count 2 posts in response to his claim the froome is 100% clean both stating facts about an ongoing doping investigation. I'm not sure either how that's a petty debate.

Yeah I know, he should go on Cycling News and read there forums!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob"

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating "

You should be on the Cycling News forum not here, there’s plenty of uninformed armchair critics on there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating

You should be on the Cycling News forum not here, there’s plenty of uninformed armchair critics on there. "

So what am I uninformed about then? Do u know something I don’t? Cos I don’t think u do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watching Froomedog again on Eurosport, fucking awesome ride.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair play to froomedog, when I was on drugs, I couldn’t even find my bike

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

"

Out of interest what's your opinion on Yates? Considering he's served a doping ban...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating

You should be on the Cycling News forum not here, there’s plenty of uninformed armchair critics on there.

So what am I uninformed about then? Do u know something I don’t? Cos I don’t think u do "

I’m not going to argue with you on a subject you admit you know nothing about. Have a good evening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating

You should be on the Cycling News forum not here, there’s plenty of uninformed armchair critics on there.

So what am I uninformed about then? Do u know something I don’t? Cos I don’t think u do

I’m not going to argue with you on a subject you admit you know nothing about. Have a good evening. "

I said I wasn’t a cyclist or a fan, not that I don’t know anything about whether Chris froome is a cheat. He’s a cheat and it’s been proven, that said they are all cheats and he’s still better than the other cheats so fair play to him. It’s just a shame because his considerable achievements would mean so much more without the cheating. Maybe more people would be interested in cycling if it wasn’t full of cheats. Ignore the cheating if u like but I reckon u would call him a cheat if he was Italian.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend

Define clean?

Go away, you are not a cyclist or a fan, just a negative some blob

I’m not a cyclist or a fan but I know a cheat when I see one and cheating whether legal or not is bollocks. Great achievement but would have meant so much more without the cheating

You should be on the Cycling News forum not here, there’s plenty of uninformed armchair critics on there.

So what am I uninformed about then? Do u know something I don’t? Cos I don’t think u do

I’m not going to argue with you on a subject you admit you know nothing about. Have a good evening.

I said I wasn’t a cyclist or a fan, not that I don’t know anything about whether Chris froome is a cheat. He’s a cheat and it’s been proven, that said they are all cheats and he’s still better than the other cheats so fair play to him. It’s just a shame because his considerable achievements would mean so much more without the cheating. Maybe more people would be interested in cycling if it wasn’t full of cheats. Ignore the cheating if u like but I reckon u would call him a cheat if he was Italian. "

How has it been proven?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because of the readings he had when he was tested? Or are u going to suggest the test was botched or he naturally produced these levels?!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because of the readings he had when he was tested? Or are u going to suggest the test was botched or he naturally produced these levels?!!!"

Read my earlier post and you'll see I'm not suggesting either

But he is under investigation so I think stating he is a proven cheat is a bit rich. By your own admission you know nothing about cycling, and I'm not convinced you know much more about the doping rules either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because of the readings he had when he was tested? Or are u going to suggest the test was botched or he naturally produced these levels?!!!

Read my earlier post and you'll see I'm not suggesting either

But he is under investigation so I think stating he is a proven cheat is a bit rich. By your own admission you know nothing about cycling, and I'm not convinced you know much more about the doping rules either"

I’ve read your posts and I don’t see you point, it seems that it’s you that knows nothing about cheating. You appear to be suggesting that because he wasn’t technically breaking the rules he wasn’t cheating?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because of the readings he had when he was tested? Or are u going to suggest the test was botched or he naturally produced these levels?!!!

Read my earlier post and you'll see I'm not suggesting either

But he is under investigation so I think stating he is a proven cheat is a bit rich. By your own admission you know nothing about cycling, and I'm not convinced you know much more about the doping rules either

I’ve read your posts and I don’t see you point, it seems that it’s you that knows nothing about cheating. You appear to be suggesting that because he wasn’t technically breaking the rules he wasn’t cheating? "

No i mean that the investigation is ongoing. Other riders have been banned for similar, a few have bee acquitted. So I'll hold judgement on calling him a cheat until the outcome is known.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether he is banned or not makes no difference, he is a cheat. If he doesn’t get a ban because he technically hasn’t broken any rules then that is a technicality.

To cheat is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. Unless they were all getting these readings then he is a cheat. I’m not having a pop at him, he’s better than the other cheats but he’s still a cheat. You being a cycling enthusiast should appreciate the damage he has done to your sport instead of sucking him off

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It been a great day of British cycling and see one of the best stage win in the cycling history and why people is bring doping shit into it!

If he cheat and got banned, you all can say what you like and you have the right to say whatever.

Some people like finding faults and negative and Froome is not guilty (yet and 100% sure NEVER)

I am out and will leave you run this petty debate that goes on forever!

I am off to watch the highlights at 7pm with my cold beer! cheers all

Out of interest what's your opinion on Yates? Considering he's served a doping ban..."

Yes, Yates was caught in 2016 and had to serve 4 months ban for it, Contador was caught and banned for a while aswell. Froome haven't been banned so that mean he is not a cheat, just a clean rider, I don't understand why armchairs couch potatos know all the answers about doping, they don't see the big picture of it!

As I mention on previous message that there is going to be a petty debate about it of the doping shit, this topic is sidetracked missing out the real story what Froome have done a remarkable ride today that we should enjoyed on tv.

I am out now.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato!

On fairness he is facing a possible ban so it's hardly an unfair criticism

nope, no ban at all otherwise he wouldn't be riding at the Giro, a very clean rider 100%, a remarkable rider, safe to say he a cycling legend "

Let's say under investigation...

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Not been banned ... So not a cheat. I love the sport, but I can not be that nieve. Not being caught, not banned is not the same as innocent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Whether he is banned or not makes no difference, he is a cheat. If he doesn’t get a ban because he technically hasn’t broken any rules then that is a technicality.

To cheat is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. Unless they were all getting these readings then he is a cheat. I’m not having a pop at him, he’s better than the other cheats but he’s still a cheat. You being a cycling enthusiast should appreciate the damage he has done to your sport instead of sucking him off "

guys, please don't respond to Cirty dunt, you are banging your head against the wall with potato!

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character


"Not bad for an asthmatic!

Always get a negative from an armchair couch potato! "

By the way old chap, I was praising him, albeit with a dash of tongue-in-cheek sarcasm - hence the ' '

There was no need for your ad hominem attack.

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over a year ago


"Whether he is banned or not makes no difference, he is a cheat. If he doesn’t get a ban because he technically hasn’t broken any rules then that is a technicality.

To cheat is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. Unless they were all getting these readings then he is a cheat. I’m not having a pop at him, he’s better than the other cheats but he’s still a cheat. You being a cycling enthusiast should appreciate the damage he has done to your sport instead of sucking him off

guys, please don't respond to Cirty dunt, you are banging your head against the wall with potato!"

Yes guys, don’t respond to me, let’s ignore the guy instead of trying to mount an articulate defence of the cheat we are all sucking off.

Ps I’ve never banged my head against the wall with a potato, sounds unusual. So u bang your head against the wall whilst at the same time hitting the other side of your head with a potato? Or is the wall a wall of potato? Must be just round your way that one! Go froomedog!

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By *B1000Couple
over a year ago

North Lakes and Manchester

Been riding for 30 years, raced for many and Followed the racing for years, always informed and never from an armchair.

But nowadays I take it all with a pinch of salt, so many false hopes have been tainted for a clean sport including team sky whether it be a legal or ethical point, the sport is well and truly destroyed and not helped by team sky tactics, just my opinion so prefer to stick to riding for fun now, mostly off road so I don’t obstruct those mild patient car drivers out there

Oh and as for Froome can’t stand him, even if he was actually British, it that’s just me

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

Out of interest what's your opinion on Yates? Considering he's served a doping ban..."

with yates it wasn't the amount of the drug in his body is in the froome case, it was they he had any in his body at all! I think for the point of fairness to yates, you have to make that distinction.

the yates issue is a completely different situation because the team held up their hands and said it was their fault because they didn't fill out the TUE forms properly

in yates case there is no suspicion of any wrong doing at all, and the UCI admitted that if the team, Mitchelton-scott, had filled the forms correctly he was well within the acceptable limit for his asthma medication

which begs the question... are any TUE's acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Out of interest what's your opinion on Yates? Considering he's served a doping ban...

with yates it wasn't the amount of the drug in his body is in the froome case, it was they he had any in his body at all! I think for the point of fairness to yates, you have to make that distinction.

the yates issue is a completely different situation because the team held up their hands and said it was their fault because they didn't fill out the TUE forms properly

in yates case there is no suspicion of any wrong doing at all, and the UCI admitted that if the team, Mitchelton-scott, had filled the forms correctly he was well within the acceptable limit for his asthma medication

which begs the question... are any TUE's acceptable?"

I think UCI will get rid of them as it creates to much of a grey area and is open to abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Out of interest what's your opinion on Yates? Considering he's served a doping ban...

with yates it wasn't the amount of the drug in his body is in the froome case, it was they he had any in his body at all! I think for the point of fairness to yates, you have to make that distinction.

the yates issue is a completely different situation because the team held up their hands and said it was their fault because they didn't fill out the TUE forms properly

in yates case there is no suspicion of any wrong doing at all, and the UCI admitted that if the team, Mitchelton-scott, had filled the forms correctly he was well within the acceptable limit for his asthma medication

which begs the question... are any TUE's acceptable?"

Personally I think that one of the biggest teams in the sport screwing up on paperwork for something so crucial is hard to believe. If the same claim had been made in the investigation in to SKY/BC it would have been dismissed as having no credibility. As a one off incident it's believable...

The whole TUE thing needs looking at. SKY while staying within the letter of the law clearly pissed all over the spirit of the rules. A former Astana rider has just released a biography admitting that they were abused as a way of doping, but I've no idea what the answer is?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think that is why conflating the yates situation and ban with what froome is being accused for is extremely unfair to yates.....

the UCI banned him because they had to under their rules, and thats why with all the exceptional circumstances involved it was the minimum ban they could give... the team issued a public apology to yates, and they not only continues to pay him, they also gave him compensation for not being able to compete...

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character


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The whole TUE thing needs looking at. SKY while staying within the letter of the law clearly pissed all over the spirit of the rules. A former Astana rider has just released a biography admitting that they were abused as a way of doping, but I've no idea what the answer is?"

Thats the problem with a team with that much money. They can afford to investigate and stretch as many regulations as they can. They fucked up with the salbutbamol. Now their defence is hanging on a scientific study - wonder who's funding that - to discredit the testing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Snowflake

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

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"Snowflake "

Who's a snowflake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

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"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage"

I think the problem was the amount he tested for can't be attained unless you're injecting it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage

I think the problem was the amount he tested for can't be attained unless you're injecting it."

Not seen that quoted anywhere. He had double the amount permitted which is the equivalent of two ‘puffs’ of the inhaler as I understand it. Hard to imagine that it would require an injection to achieve the equivalent of four ‘puffs’

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage

I think the problem was the amount he tested for can't be attained unless you're injecting it."

The drug (salbutamol), similar to terbutaline which is the one Yates didn’t get the TUE for, are easily absorbed via inhaler or nebuliser, no need to give them IV

There’s also no evidence taking them in a non asthmatic has any performance enhancing effects - they are not anabolic steroids, EPO etc - if any of us took them, apart from feeling shaky and a bit trembly, we wouldn’t feel physically any better, their mechanism of action wouldn’t suggest any better in someone who wasn’t wheezy

And it’s that lack of an performance enhancing effect as to why they’re allowed generally and why Froome is being given the license to still ride

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

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"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage

I think the problem was the amount he tested for can't be attained unless you're injecting it.

Not seen that quoted anywhere. He had double the amount permitted which is the equivalent of two ‘puffs’ of the inhaler as I understand it. Hard to imagine that it would require an injection to achieve the equivalent of four ‘puffs’"

Actually can't remember where I got that from, but I'm sure it'll all sort itself out after the inquiry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage

I think the problem was the amount he tested for can't be attained unless you're injecting it.

Not seen that quoted anywhere. He had double the amount permitted which is the equivalent of two ‘puffs’ of the inhaler as I understand it. Hard to imagine that it would require an injection to achieve the equivalent of four ‘puffs’

Actually can't remember where I got that from, but I'm sure it'll all sort itself out after the inquiry."

I suspect that he might struggle to find a legitimate scientific justification for the reading but I also suspect that it will be viewed as a relatively low seriousness of offence compared with, for instance, injected steroids. Perhaps they will question the accuracy of the dosages from the spray. I’m guessing that the idea of the Giro might be to add the pressure to them finding him not guilty as it would be more embarrassing if he had won it whilst under investigation but not suspended as would happen in many sports

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Froome put 38 seconds in on Dumoulin and the rest when he crested the Colle felled Finestre, then by the time he’d hit the bottom of the descent he’d put a further minute into them, unbelievably he was also putting time into them on the flat valley road to the next climb with 5 riders in pursuit, but really it was a time trial between him and Dumoulin as the other were either doing no or little work at the front.

Still with two climbs to go, Sestriere and to the line on Jaffetau, I thought he might fade on the final climb, but he only lost a few seconds from the bottom till the line. Think his ride will go down in the pantheons of cycling and as a fan these are the sort of stages you dream about watching.

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By *aucepot PairCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Followed the sport for 40 years raced at 3rd cat level and it is my life's passion ,Seen um all through the bent years .Armstrong fucked our sport up so much with the constant denial and lies but most were on the juice they had to too compete ,Now much different times,Sky play the game and go to the very limet of what's allowed ,Froomy very unfortunate and sloppy with the asthma spray incident ,You can assure that somebody in the team has been stripped to the core because of it ,Yesterdays ride was awesome though and out of the seat stuff ,Just read Brailsfords said how they fuelled him through the ride every member of the backroom staff out on the road at strategic points slipping him gels etc all well thought out stuff,Team Sky love um or hate um they have changed the sport and have in Froome the best grand tour rider of this Generation and i do believe he his clean ,What a ride and Chapeau to him ,Gutted for Yatesy though ,Happy Swinging lol

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

I tip my hat to the guy,great ride. Only thing that winds me up are the fuckers that run at the side of the bikes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A truly great ride, and I think Froome can take the TDF for a final time.

For all those people saying he cheated; the marginal gains from unsing and asthma inhaler are that slight he could never perform at the level he does purely on its level of usage"

No one is suggesting he couldn’t ride without the drug, more that it’s performance enhancing, the same as steroids. The key is the word marginal gains. I suggest you guys look up the definition of cheating in the dictionary. The guy is amazing, I’m not doubting that, or that the others are not doing exactly the same, but to be an icon you need to be whiter than white. If the gains were that slight then why use it? It’s ridiculous that anyone is sticking up for him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watching the ride again on Eurosport, stunning ride. Love the romance of the Giro.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watching a re run of Ben Johnson In the 100 meters final, stunning run, go johndog

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Froome put 38 seconds in on Dumoulin and the rest when he crested the Colle felled Finestre, then by the time he’d hit the bottom of the descent he’d put a further minute into them, unbelievably he was also putting time into them on the flat valley road to the next climb with 5 riders in pursuit, but really it was a time trial between him and Dumoulin as the other were either doing no or little work at the front.

Still with two climbs to go, Sestriere and to the line on Jaffetau, I thought he might fade on the final climb, but he only lost a few seconds from the bottom till the line. Think his ride will go down in the pantheons of cycling and as a fan these are the sort of stages you dream about watching. "

i think that is actually an important thing that was missed in the discussion, Froome's descending was immense! dumoulin's wasn't as good for a reason... he basically waited for pinot who is not a good descender because he needed him to help with the climbing.....

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over a year ago

People seem to be missing that at the level he tested it wouldn't have been taken via an inhaler, it would have been via a nebuliser or a tablet. And that at that level it has possible anabolic benefits and more significantly weightloss benefits. And the asthma drug at the centre of the Wiggins TUE also has significant weightloss benefits. And this weightloss has no significant impact on power. And power to weight ratio is pretty much everything when it comes to riding over mountains. And that is why there is a limit on salbutamol levels. And that limit is supposedly pretty much impossible to hit just using an inhaler and going twice over it via inhalor use is implausible.

What is odd is the mid race spike amd that is why the SKY defence has never once hinted at "he didn't take it", proving that is impossible. Banking on a defence around the implausibility of the result is a their best option.

Problem is SKY/BC have just been destroyed in parliament for their lack of credibility and that will make any defence far harder for them

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"Froome put 38 seconds in on Dumoulin and the rest when he crested the Colle felled Finestre, then by the time he’d hit the bottom of the descent he’d put a further minute into them, unbelievably he was also putting time into them on the flat valley road to the next climb with 5 riders in pursuit, but really it was a time trial between him and Dumoulin as the other were either doing no or little work at the front.

Still with two climbs to go, Sestriere and to the line on Jaffetau, I thought he might fade on the final climb, but he only lost a few seconds from the bottom till the line. Think his ride will go down in the pantheons of cycling and as a fan these are the sort of stages you dream about watching.

i think that is actually an important thing that was missed in the discussion, Froome's descending was immense! dumoulin's wasn't as good for a reason... he basically waited for pinot who is not a good descender because he needed him to help with the climbing....."

Very good point, a lot of climbers in the past have gained time in the descending and afterwards when the times are looked at overall it’s just assumed it was all aerobic performance up the mountain - but that overall number doesn’t give the picture overall for where that time was found in the stage

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I should have put '2018 Giro d'Italia doping' title on my thread, not many of you enjoyed the stage race yesterday and what amazing ride of Froome have done, there is more people is banging on about doping shit.

Cycling fans?, you are having a laugh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People seem to be missing that at the level he tested it wouldn't have been taken via an inhaler, it would have been via a nebuliser or a tablet. And that at that level it has possible anabolic benefits and more significantly weightloss benefits. And the asthma drug at the centre of the Wiggins TUE also has significant weightloss benefits. And this weightloss has no significant impact on power. And power to weight ratio is pretty much everything when it comes to riding over mountains. And that is why there is a limit on salbutamol levels. And that limit is supposedly pretty much impossible to hit just using an inhaler and going twice over it via inhalor use is implausible.

What is odd is the mid race spike amd that is why the SKY defence has never once hinted at "he didn't take it", proving that is impossible. Banking on a defence around the implausibility of the result is a their best option.

Problem is SKY/BC have just been destroyed in parliament for their lack of credibility and that will make any defence far harder for them"

I’ve just got back from cycling on Dartmoor, it was beautiful. Now going to watch the Giro on Eurosport, should be a good stage with 3 first cat mountains.

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over a year ago


"Froome put 38 seconds in on Dumoulin and the rest when he crested the Colle felled Finestre, then by the time he’d hit the bottom of the descent he’d put a further minute into them, unbelievably he was also putting time into them on the flat valley road to the next climb with 5 riders in pursuit, but really it was a time trial between him and Dumoulin as the other were either doing no or little work at the front.

Still with two climbs to go, Sestriere and to the line on Jaffetau, I thought he might fade on the final climb, but he only lost a few seconds from the bottom till the line. Think his ride will go down in the pantheons of cycling and as a fan these are the sort of stages you dream about watching.

i think that is actually an important thing that was missed in the discussion, Froome's descending was immense! dumoulin's wasn't as good for a reason... he basically waited for pinot who is not a good descender because he needed him to help with the climbing....."

Totally, they always go about gaming time by climbing, but he gained loads more descending. Should be another good stage today.

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By *entle giraffeMan
over a year ago

Minehead


"I should have put '2018 Giro d'Italia doping' title on my thread, not many of you enjoyed the stage race yesterday and what amazing ride of Froome have done, there is more people is banging on about doping shit.

Cycling fans?, you are having a laugh!

"

I love cycling, both myself and watching pro racing. I like Chris Froome but..... I do understand because of cycling's recent and more long term issues with performance enhancing drugs, why many people cannot seperate the two.

I can, it doesn't spoil my enjoyment, although I suspect there are some in the Giro d'Italia peleton that are using them.

Froome? I hope not and would be disappointed if he was. But.... we should not criticise those who do mention drugs alongside cycling. It is through this lense that the sport I love may clean itself in time.

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