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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree x

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By *acktar74Man
over a year ago

leeds

I agree but it's an addiction changing a price doesn't cure it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't obsess about job losses, one door closing means another door opening in a capitalist system,ie instead of it going in a machine it's now going somewhere else

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree but it's an addiction changing a price doesn't cure it"

I know but being able to lose a hundred quid a minute to a machine was pure madness....and hardly Andy of there customers could afford to. I agree the addict needs to sort Thier addiction out but the bookies making out when the fun stops stop policy was laughable as they just want to rinse as much as possible.

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Now casinos may see a upturn in business. Open 24/7 and you can lay far more than £100 a ago on live tables. This may just move the problem to somewhere else.

Addiction is a bad thing,gambling,drugs or alcohol,but you will always get a percentage of people who will step over the line and end up addicted. Like I've said,I fear this will just move the problem elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree to some degree but not in others. £100 to £2 is a huge drop and means that there will be a lot of job losses in a minimum wage job sector- retail jobs are hard to come by. I agree it needed to be reduced but not so highly.

I don't know what will be achieved from it to be honest because you can still go into any arcade, bingo hall or casino and play £100 at a time, as well as online betting.

I have friends that work in this sector and they are concerned about losing their jobs, one bookie alone has announced around 20000 job loses.

I think online games gambling and daytime advertising of bookies should be hit well before the shops that have responsible staff that look out for people that they believe may have a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's always satisfying to see a bookie weep.Ruthless people.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Having been in a relationship with a gambling addict prior to meeting Mr N I know it will just make the addict move their addiction elsewhere. The only saving grace is that often the addiction centres on one type of gambling e.g. horses, slots etc. This might make it more difficult for them to lose thousands or it might make them stay longer at their particular favourite.

Often the addict becomes aggressive if they can't get their fix and I don't know if £2 will give the same high that £100 does.

As with all addiction it's not as simple as making the focus of the addiction more difficult to obtain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this means is that it will take people longer to lose money. At £2 a bet, you can still lose £100 in a matter of minutes.

Fixed odds machines are also the easiest way of laundering low volume quantities of cash; street drug deals and proceeds of theft

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Now casinos may see a upturn in business. Open 24/7 and you can lay far more than £100 a ago on live tables. This may just move the problem to somewhere else.

Addiction is a bad thing,gambling,drugs or alcohol,but you will always get a percentage of people who will step over the line and end up addicted. Like I've said,I fear this will just move the problem elsewhere."

The thing is it has always been a thing in casinos. ..they were few and far between and still are. But the bookies are on every high St and side st and it has opened up a whole new clientele who would more then likely never have went to a casino....the whole idea of these machines were never thought about when they deregulated the laws on bookies..and it has become the biggest part of their business now...they don't want a 50p each way bet on the odd race...that rinses no one...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Now casinos may see a upturn in business. Open 24/7 and you can lay far more than £100 a ago on live tables. This may just move the problem to somewhere else.

Addiction is a bad thing,gambling,drugs or alcohol,but you will always get a percentage of people who will step over the line and end up addicted. Like I've said,I fear this will just move the problem elsewhere.

The thing is it has always been a thing in casinos. ..they were few and far between and still are. But the bookies are on every high St and side st and it has opened up a whole new clientele who would more then likely never have went to a casino....the whole idea of these machines were never thought about when they deregulated the laws on bookies..and it has become the biggest part of their business now...they don't want a 50p each way bet on the odd race...that rinses no one..."

I think the problem has just become more visible. People used to lose a whole months salary on the back of a sure fire winner then take bank loans to try and "win" it back. There have always been easy ways to lose your money to a bookie.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?"

I think it’s a good idea and one that should’ve been brought in years ago . As someone has quite rightly pointed out , a lot of these machines are used to launder money . People will find other ways to lose their money but at least it’s one less sad road to go down .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree to some degree but not in others. £100 to £2 is a huge drop and means that there will be a lot of job losses in a minimum wage job sector- retail jobs are hard to come by. I agree it needed to be reduced but not so highly.

I don't know what will be achieved from it to be honest because you can still go into any arcade, bingo hall or casino and play £100 at a time, as well as online betting.

I have friends that work in this sector and they are concerned about losing their jobs, one bookie alone has announced around 20000 job loses.

I think online games gambling and daytime advertising of bookies should be hit well before the shops that have responsible staff that look out for people that they believe may have a problem. "

So what would you reduce it to... £50 £20... £10 pounds per minute? That is still a massive amount to loose for the average punter who uses them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody good!! Them machines are evil and the greedy bookies allow it to ruin people’s lives and family’s lives so good and about time! It’s a sad addiction for some and they need removing and just allow bets on sports.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

Fixed odds machine are known as crack gambling I think it’s a big drop from £100 to £2 a spin on the roulette wheel but it’s the right thing I went through a phase about 10 years ago where I could quite easily lose £50 during my 15 minutes morning break.Since then I seldom play the machine but when I do it’s £20 for 10 minutes then back to work.Only time will tell if there are job losses

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Having been in a relationship with a gambling addict prior to meeting Mr N I know it will just make the addict move their addiction elsewhere. The only saving grace is that often the addiction centres on one type of gambling e.g. horses, slots etc. This might make it more difficult for them to lose thousands or it might make them stay longer at their particular favourite.

Often the addict becomes aggressive if they can't get their fix and I don't know if £2 will give the same high that £100 does.

As with all addiction it's not as simple as making the focus of the addiction more difficult to obtain."

The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"Having been in a relationship with a gambling addict prior to meeting Mr N I know it will just make the addict move their addiction elsewhere. The only saving grace is that often the addiction centres on one type of gambling e.g. horses, slots etc. This might make it more difficult for them to lose thousands or it might make them stay longer at their particular favourite.

Often the addict becomes aggressive if they can't get their fix and I don't know if £2 will give the same high that £100 does.

As with all addiction it's not as simple as making the focus of the addiction more difficult to obtain.

The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view "

I hear what you are saying about casinos,but the problem was already there before the fixed odds machines were in the bookies. I know someone who plays them. Before it was horses,dogs and in between bandits. He still goes through the same amount of money,it's the thrill and buzz of chasing that one big win. When he gets its (which he as won big) it all starts again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree to some degree but not in others. £100 to £2 is a huge drop and means that there will be a lot of job losses in a minimum wage job sector- retail jobs are hard to come by. I agree it needed to be reduced but not so highly.

I don't know what will be achieved from it to be honest because you can still go into any arcade, bingo hall or casino and play £100 at a time, as well as online betting.

I have friends that work in this sector and they are concerned about losing their jobs, one bookie alone has announced around 20000 job loses.

I think online games gambling and daytime advertising of bookies should be hit well before the shops that have responsible staff that look out for people that they believe may have a problem.

So what would you reduce it to... £50 £20... £10 pounds per minute? That is still a massive amount to loose for the average punter who uses them."

Your missing what I'm saying £100 a minute machines are still available in multiple locations where they are actually less regulated than in a bookies. Arcades generally have 1 person manning lots of machines. Bingo halls again 1 person. Bookies have a maximum of 4 machines- much easy for the staff to keep track of people. Yes they needed hitting but they needed hitting across the board not just bookie bashing. People will still use them and just take their business else where, places they are less monitored.

I have been married to a gambling addict- a gambler needs their fix and will still get it whether online or at another more accessible venue. Education on the risks of betting, having stricter limits on online betting and less advertising is what is needed.

My biggest concern right now is the job losses. I know 12 people who are all concerned about their jobs, one is middle management and is half hoping for voluntary redundancy, the rest are minimum wage earners, one is a husband and wife team who are concerned they will lose both wages in one swoop.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Having been in a relationship with a gambling addict prior to meeting Mr N I know it will just make the addict move their addiction elsewhere. The only saving grace is that often the addiction centres on one type of gambling e.g. horses, slots etc. This might make it more difficult for them to lose thousands or it might make them stay longer at their particular favourite.

Often the addict becomes aggressive if they can't get their fix and I don't know if £2 will give the same high that £100 does.

As with all addiction it's not as simple as making the focus of the addiction more difficult to obtain.

The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view "

But you can walk in to a bookies and place an entire months salary on the back of a horse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view "

But you can into a arcade - which hasn't been effected by the ruling

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Having been in a relationship with a gambling addict prior to meeting Mr N I know it will just make the addict move their addiction elsewhere. The only saving grace is that often the addiction centres on one type of gambling e.g. horses, slots etc. This might make it more difficult for them to lose thousands or it might make them stay longer at their particular favourite.

Often the addict becomes aggressive if they can't get their fix and I don't know if £2 will give the same high that £100 does.

As with all addiction it's not as simple as making the focus of the addiction more difficult to obtain.

The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view

But you can walk in to a bookies and place an entire months salary on the back of a horse. "

I agree and there always will be people who do this....put it all on the second favourite. ..but these machines tempt a whole new clientele into what they describe as the crack of the gambling world....let's hope this reduces it somewhat

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view

But you can into a arcade - which hasn't been effected by the ruling"

I think you would find you could never lose a £100 a minute in a arcade...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view

But you can into a arcade - which hasn't been effected by the ruling

I think you would find you could never lose a £100 a minute in a arcade..."

I think you will find you can. High street Arcades have the exact same terminals as bookies, as do bingo halls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?"

Great news.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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The thing is it should never have got to the level in the first place...6 thousand pounds a hour to a machine on the high street was pure madness...at least you can't just walk of the street into a casino....the bookies have made it too easy in my view

But you can into a arcade - which hasn't been effected by the ruling

I think you would find you could never lose a £100 a minute in a arcade...

I think you will find you can. High street Arcades have the exact same terminals as bookies, as do bingo halls.

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Well if that's the case it needs to stop in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bookies are always smiling...

It's usually the horses that have long faces

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Bookies are always smiling...

It's usually the horses that have long faces "

Aw I couldn't let you be a thread killer and be left with a horses face mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?"

Why will jobs go?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?"

I suppose the bookies earn revenue on what people pump into the machines, if that is reduced, then he has less money to pay his employees.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?"

If you listen to the bookies they say it is 50% of Thier overall trade...they are saying jobs will go but I think they are scaremongering personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?"

Basically a lot of shops are mainly used just for the machines. In the company my friend works for they have been told that half the shops will be loss makers over night and they predict 20,000 job losses. My friend is middle management and is hoping for redundancy so it suits him but his staff who are on minimum wage and haven't worked as many years as him will get peanuts

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?

Basically a lot of shops are mainly used just for the machines. In the company my friend works for they have been told that half the shops will be loss makers over night and they predict 20,000 job losses. My friend is middle management and is hoping for redundancy so it suits him but his staff who are on minimum wage and haven't worked as many years as him will get peanuts "

That's sad.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?

I suppose the bookies earn revenue on what people pump into the machines, if that is reduced, then he has less money to pay his employees."

What they have been doing is putting more of these machines in and reducing staffing levels anyhow as the machines are low maintenance.

What they need to do is get back to Thier main business and pay staff to take bets.

BTW I said earlier that these machine could take a £100 per minute....I was wrong as its a £100 every 20 seconds.

It's not often I agree with this government but this time I think they have done a good job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree but it's an addiction changing a price doesn't cure it

I know but being able to lose a hundred quid a minute to a machine was pure madness....and hardly Andy of there customers could afford to. I agree the addict needs to sort Thier addiction out but the bookies making out when the fun stops stop policy was laughable as they just want to rinse as much as possible."

I work in a bookies and it has been an eye opener it sickens me the money people spend on everything not just machines as foe when the fun stops stop its a front we are told in training to help them be responsible gamblers but in shop told to promote online cards so they can continue when shops close as for being open at 8am and closing 10pm there is no need for it but its everyone if they didnt hold so many race meetings a day etc all this would help to help them ypu cant put tv on but you get bingo ads etc slot games on your phone they will always find a way sadly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies has been cut down from £100 to £2 and they are not happy with threading job loses....now whilst I hate seeing jobs going I think this is great news as this has caused endless difficulties to many additive people..

But what do you think?

Why will jobs go?

If you listen to the bookies they say it is 50% of Thier overall trade...they are saying jobs will go but I think they are scaremongering personally."

Definitely scaremongers i would say its about 20% of our takings weekly horses take more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bookies are always smiling...

It's usually the horses that have long faces

Aw I couldn't let you be a thread killer and be left with a horses face mate "

If only I looked like a horses face is be smiling too

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