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By *traight up guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Morpeth

Is the story below a case of PC too far? Is it appropriate for him to apologise? Is it people being offended when there is nothing to be offended about? Did Jayne-Anne Gadhia give the best response possible? Go!

A deputy governor of the Bank of England has apologised for saying the UK economy was in a “menopausal” phase after passing its productive peak.

Ben Broadbent was accused of using “lazy, sexist” language when he compared the current state of the economy to the late Victorian era, when a pause between steam technology and the age of electricity contributed to a slump in productivity.

In an interview with the Telegraph, Broadbent said the term applied by economic historians to describe such a slump was “climacteric”, which he said essentially means “menopausal, but can apply to both genders. You’ve passed your productive peak.”

Frances O’Grady, the general secretary of the TUC, said the language Broadbent used in his interview was “totally inappropriate”.

“There’s no need to resort to lazy, sexist comments to describe problems in the economy,” she said.

Broadbent issued a statement on Wednesday morning after his comments drew widespread criticism: “I’m sorry for my poor choice of language in an interview with the Telegraph yesterday and regret the offence caused.

“I was explaining the meaning of the word “climacteric”, a term used by economic historians to describe a period of low productivity growth during the 19th century. Economic productivity is something which affects every one of us, of all ages and genders.”

Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the chief executive of Virgin Money UK, who led a government review on boosting gender equality in the financial sector, said: “When I read this I thought about my own menopause and was sure he meant that the future is hard work, challenging, renewing, worth fighting for, 100% positive and constantly HOT!”

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By *.1079Man
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

sorry didn't even get to the second paragraph, but we'll done for typing a novel.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"sorry didn't even get to the second paragraph, but we'll done for typing a novel. "

Short attention span ?

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By *traight up guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Morpeth

Ok short version - A deputy governor of the Bank of England has apologised for saying the UK economy was in a “menopausal” phase after passing its productive peak. He has been accused of using lazy and sexist language.

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By *eorgeyporgeyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

Yes, really. If people being interviewed in the Telegraph have to "dumb things down" then we really are in trouble...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see a problem with it when the context is explained

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *traight up guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Morpeth


"I can't see a problem with it when the context is explained "

Is it a problem even if the context is not explained? Is it offensive to use a normal physiological term to describe a state or process of change?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It implies women who can bear children are the only ones of use.

So it's lazy, sexist, and inaccurate.

It absolutely should be described in better terms, and it was the wrong thing to say. I don't care if it's custom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a woman, I do not find this offensive in the least. People who do should give their head a shake for a long period of time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't see a problem with it when the context is explained

Is it a problem even if the context is not explained? Is it offensive to use a normal physiological term to describe a state or process of change?"

It obviously is for some people otherwise it wouldn't be news

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Some people must be exhausted being offended all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people must be exhausted being offended all the time."

I am so offended by that !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a woman, I do not find this offensive in the least. People who do should give their head a shake for a long period of time"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it, someone in such a high profile role should know better.

Drawing an analogy like that is pretty dumb in this day and age.

Offended? No but rather bemused that such an intelligent person can't describe the economy in better terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think people need to be offended for it to be lazy, sexist and inaccurate.

It was a very poor choice of word.

It is an indication of how women have been disregarded based on their ability to reproduce and we shouldn't still have to point out why it's a poor choice of word.

I don't claim to speak for an entire gender. I was not offended by the use of the word. But it did strike me as flagging up an outdated assumption. Language has power, even if it's subtle. And challenging language used like this is important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...

Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the chief executive of Virgin Money UK, who led a government review on boosting gender equality in the financial sector, said: “When I read this I thought about my own menopause and was sure he meant that the future is hard work, challenging, renewing, worth fighting for, 100% positive and constantly HOT!”"

Brilliant!

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By *traight up guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Morpeth


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Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the chief executive of Virgin Money UK, who led a government review on boosting gender equality in the financial sector, said: “When I read this I thought about my own menopause and was sure he meant that the future is hard work, challenging, renewing, worth fighting for, 100% positive and constantly HOT!”

Brilliant! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"sorry didn't even get to the second paragraph, but we'll done for typing a novel.

Short attention span ?"

Goldfish brain syndrome.

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By *traight up guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Morpeth


"sorry didn't even get to the second paragraph, but we'll done for typing a novel.

Short attention span ?

Goldfish brain syndrome."

My goldfish has just been offended by that, so please apologise!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you know who you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could understand people getting offended if he had just used menopausal to describe it, but he didn't. He used it as a method of describing the meaning of a word no one who isn't an econmist, historian, or avid scrabble player would know the meaning of and even still he said 'for both sexes'. Bit of a gaffe?? Maybe but I think any outrage is out of proportion with what was said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn’t offend me. I think using analogies adds to the richness of the way we can all express ourselves in the English language. And the more careful we have to be in the way we express ourselves, the fewer words and expressions and analogies are allowed. I already have quite a long by mental list in my head of what expressions seem to offend in the forums, which I will adhere to. But I do wonder how boring a discussion will become if we focus too much on causing offence where offence isn’t intended.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet somebody was offended. Everyone gets offended nowadays.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"It implies women who can bear children are the only ones of use.

So it's lazy, sexist, and inaccurate.

It absolutely should be described in better terms, and it was the wrong thing to say. I don't care if it's custom."

Utter nonsense , I wasn’t offended in the slightest and I have to say that it’s getting beyond a joke now with all this faux offence nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...

Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the chief executive of Virgin Money UK, who led a government review on boosting gender equality in the financial sector, said: “When I read this I thought about my own menopause and was sure he meant that the future is hard work, challenging, renewing, worth fighting for, 100% positive and constantly HOT!”

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This is a perfect example of people getting butthurt for no reason. Her response sees the positive in the comment. Too many people just see the negatives all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...

Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the chief executive of Virgin Money UK, who led a government review on boosting gender equality in the financial sector, said: “When I read this I thought about my own menopause and was sure he meant that the future is hard work, challenging, renewing, worth fighting for, 100% positive and constantly HOT!”

This is a perfect example of people getting butthurt for no reason. Her response sees the positive in the comment. Too many people just see the negatives all the time. "

Except she was poking fun at his use of the word. Because he didn't actually mean that, did he?

Her response was brilliant precisely because she showed it for the ill fitting word it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m surprised there weren’t protesters on the street asking him to resign...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It implies women who can bear children are the only ones of use.

So it's lazy, sexist, and inaccurate.

It absolutely should be described in better terms, and it was the wrong thing to say. I don't care if it's custom.

Utter nonsense , I wasn’t offended in the slightest and I have to say that it’s getting beyond a joke now with all this faux offence nonsense "

I fear your assumption i am offended is exactly that.

It is quite possible to see, recognise and understand a terrible choice of word without being offended by it.

If you want to describe my comment as utter nonsense, please do feel free to talk about why any of what I actually said is utter nonsense. I'm not so precious as to not hold an opinion without thought and reason, and often willing to discuss that. However, the reactionarynature of your post reminds me why I rarely bother.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"It implies women who can bear children are the only ones of use.

So it's lazy, sexist, and inaccurate.

It absolutely should be described in better terms, and it was the wrong thing to say. I don't care if it's custom.

Utter nonsense , I wasn’t offended in the slightest and I have to say that it’s getting beyond a joke now with all this faux offence nonsense

I fear your assumption i am offended is exactly that.

It is quite possible to see, recognise and understand a terrible choice of word without being offended by it.

If you want to describe my comment as utter nonsense, please do feel free to talk about why any of what I actually said is utter nonsense. I'm not so precious as to not hold an opinion without thought and reason, and often willing to discuss that. However, the reactionarynature of your post reminds me why I rarely bother."

i didn’t read it as in any way it implying that women are only of use when they can bear children .

I saw it more as a period ( pardon the pun ) of time when things are in transition before moving forward with new vigour .

The comment he made wasn’t lazy or inaccurate in my opinion . It could be construed to be sexist as the economy is neither male nor female .

The original question in the op was whether anyone was offended by his statement , hence me thinking no ( perhaps wrongly ) , that you were offended by it . My terminology ( utter nonsense ) was used in relation to your offence which it seems isn’t apparent . For that I apologise

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"I’m surprised there weren’t protesters on the street asking him to resign..."

Down with this sort of thing!

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