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"Please elaborate " There's the idea of positive discrimination and positive stereotypes. In my world discrimination is discrimination, there's no positive side to it. To be honest the the answer to the whole thing is easy. Treat everyone the same | |||
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" Treat everyone the same" Actually that’s kinda missing the whole point. | |||
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" Treat everyone the same Actually that’s kinda missing the whole point. " Is it though? I mean yeah I was being simplistic but in essence equally and diversity is about not discriminating and treating people equally. It's basically a case of switching off your brain and rewording the textbook. Really is that boring | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. " OP? Is that you? | |||
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" Treat everyone the same Actually that’s kinda missing the whole point. Is it though? I mean yeah I was being simplistic but in essence equally and diversity is about not discriminating and treating people equally. It's basically a case of switching off your brain and rewording the textbook. Really is that boring " I think it’s well worth you listen in the training, your posts thus far have shown a dissonance with actually comprehending the subject (or an inability to effectively explain it accurately). | |||
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"Please elaborate There's the idea of positive discrimination and positive stereotypes. In my world discrimination is discrimination, there's no positive side to it. To be honest the the answer to the whole thing is easy. Treat everyone the same" Yes you are right but you would be surprised how discrimantive every day society can be and this is why it's enforced. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? " Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. " Ignorance is bliss and all that, eh? | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. " I get what you're saying, it's just legislation that staff should be made aware. I have to update my E&D training once a year. It's surprises me how management don't treat all staff equal though yet they're the ones promoting it. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. Ignorance is bliss and all that, eh? " I find the ignorant less than blissful. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. I get what you're saying, it's just legislation that staff should be made aware. I have to update my E&D training once a year. It's surprises me how management don't treat all staff equal though yet they're the ones promoting it. " I think you’ve missed her point actually. You’re perpetuating the same fallacy that equal opps is treating people exactly the same, it isn’t. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? Well, it's all bollocks and discrimination is discrimination so I should treat every exactly the same. I don't need training. What a waste of time. Ignorance is bliss and all that, eh? I find the ignorant less than blissful. " That’s the burden we bear for not being. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes." Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? " OK let me re-phrase. All individuals are treated so they are no more advantaged/disadvantaged than another person. | |||
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"Why is it bollocks? If I treat everyone the same they result isn't the same for them. I'll assume all blind people can read the signs, because everyone else manages. I'll let wheelchair users cope with the stairs, everyone else does. Women should book annual leave when the baby is due and be back when that leave is up. OP? Is that you? OK let me re-phrase. All individuals are treated so they are no more advantaged/disadvantaged than another person. " Learning is happening. That course was well worthwhile. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes. Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. " My wording didn’t posit absolutes. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes. Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. My wording didn’t posit absolutes. " It's supposed to be about equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes. Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. My wording didn’t posit absolutes. It's supposed to be about equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. " There’s a course you can go on. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes. Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. My wording didn’t posit absolutes. It's supposed to be about equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. There’s a course you can go on. " No I'm good, i don't need big brother telling me that science is now wrong think because compassion is now more important than facts | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes. Which we know is impossible because the small matter of biology, psychology and genetics. My wording didn’t posit absolutes. It's supposed to be about equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. There’s a course you can go on. No I'm good, i don't need big brother telling me that science is now wrong think because compassion is now more important than facts" Yeah, fuck compassion. | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated " Any studies to support those claims? | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? " Literally a shitload of them | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated absolutely loads that’s why it is mandatory in inductions and training within organisations. Google it I’m sure loads of research will come up Any studies to support those claims? " | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them " Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated absolutely loads that’s why it is mandatory in inductions and training within organisations. Google it I’m sure loads of research will come up Any studies to support those claims? " I did, in fact a meta analysis of 140 studies says you are wrong. But some studies are better than others so i wondered which you were basing your statement on? | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals?" Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 09/05/18 22:10:12]" It became not worth it when compassion was labelled a negative. | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid " I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. " Any studies to support that claim? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 09/05/18 22:10:12] It became not worth it when compassion was labelled a negative. " The road to hell is paved with good intentions. | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated absolutely loads that’s why it is mandatory in inductions and training within organisations. Google it I’m sure loads of research will come up Any studies to support those claims? I did, in fact a meta analysis of 140 studies says you are wrong. But some studies are better than others so i wondered which you were basing your statement on?" my information is based via CIPD chartered institute personnel development .... have loads of studies as has REC Recruitment and Employment Confederation ... loads of factsheets and literature on the subject written by HR directors of multimillion pound organisations like HSBC ... etc ... | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 09/05/18 22:10:12] It became not worth it when compassion was labelled a negative. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. " whoop whoop | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. Any studies to support that claim? " Post & Byron, academy of management journal vol 58, #5 - have fun | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. Any studies to support that claim? Post & Byron, academy of management journal vol 58, #5 - have fun " | |||
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"Has anyone had to go through this bollocks at work? It's a mandatory requirement for all our staff to college this NVQ level booklet and it's utter garbage!!! " I am even in a film! "How does diversity help lumpsum project implementation". | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated absolutely loads that’s why it is mandatory in inductions and training within organisations. Google it I’m sure loads of research will come up Any studies to support those claims? I did, in fact a meta analysis of 140 studies says you are wrong. But some studies are better than others so i wondered which you were basing your statement on? my information is based via CIPD chartered institute personnel development .... have loads of studies as has REC Recruitment and Employment Confederation ... loads of factsheets and literature on the subject written by HR directors of multimillion pound organisations like HSBC ... etc ... " Yeah i just need the journal reference thanks, peer reviewed stuff is the generally accepted quality benchmark | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. Any studies to support that claim? Post & Byron, academy of management journal vol 58, #5 - have fun " Women on boards and firm financial performance one? | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. Any studies to support that claim? Post & Byron, academy of management journal vol 58, #5 - have fun Women on boards and firm financial performance one? " Yup, before you get excited about the abstract, you do need to read the whole thing. You can also try: Pletzer, Nikolova, Kedzior & Voelpel 'Does gender matter?' Although its not from a high end journal Or Alice Eagly "when passion advocates meet research", again, not the best journal but debunks a lot of things found on 'fact sheets' | |||
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"I hate free learning. HOW DARE THEY PAY ME TO LEARN?!" I'll quite happily pass it on, you can take the qualification by all means. It's not exactly going to make my CV lol Although my manager is trying to convince the team that this all does looks great on a CV.......I think not lol | |||
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"E & D has a positive impact on the workforce and helps deliver businesses to become more successful in their outcomes and unless you work in HR or training departments of organisations not many get the true meaning of the impact it can have on a business and their workforce as the OP has demonstrated Any studies to support those claims? Literally a shitload of them Great, name the highest quality ones please. Presumably they'll be from business journals? Mine would be mainly from a Social Policy perspective but you’ll find them in the business journals too. I’m not gonna go do it for you lol, I’m just here to get laid I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I'm sure there are some gender studies professors who make the claim though. The funny thing is that advocates of diversity are actually uninterested in the only diversity that really matters - diversity of thought. Any studies to support that claim? Post & Byron, academy of management journal vol 58, #5 - have fun Women on boards and firm financial performance one? Yup, before you get excited about the abstract, you do need to read the whole thing. You can also try: Pletzer, Nikolova, Kedzior & Voelpel 'Does gender matter?' Although its not from a high end journal Or Alice Eagly "when passion advocates meet research", again, not the best journal but debunks a lot of things found on 'fact sheets'" So we shouldn’t try and support others in essence because it’s impossible? Apologies that’s terrible paraphrasing but I’m trying to glean that that’s what I’m going to find in these researchers’ view? | |||
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" The question was always "How do we get more women into engineering?" My answer was always "Do you think the beauty industry worries about how to get more men into their industry? Or midwifery perhaps?"." Nah that’s you always moaning about your industry. | |||
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" The question was always "How do we get more women into engineering?" My answer was always "Do you think the beauty industry worries about how to get more men into their industry? Or midwifery perhaps?". Nah that’s you always moaning about your industry. " You don't have to be a cunt to be an engineer....... But it sure helps your career if you've got one! | |||
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" The question was always "How do we get more women into engineering?" My answer was always "Do you think the beauty industry worries about how to get more men into their industry? Or midwifery perhaps?". Nah that’s you always moaning about your industry. " Im in the emginerring industry and woman less qualified for the job aretwice as likely as i am to be given a job in the name of diversity And well he has a point Why arnt people bothered that woman dominate the health care industry, the fashion industry, and teaching and child care why not put insentives in place for more men in those jobs...i mean its only fair amd isnt that what equality is about..being fair to all | |||
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" The question was always "How do we get more women into engineering?" My answer was always "Do you think the beauty industry worries about how to get more men into their industry? Or midwifery perhaps?". Nah that’s you always moaning about your industry. You don't have to be a cunt to be an engineer....... But it sure helps your career if you've got one! " You say that every time! | |||
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" The question was always "How do we get more women into engineering?" My answer was always "Do you think the beauty industry worries about how to get more men into their industry? Or midwifery perhaps?". Nah that’s you always moaning about your industry. You don't have to be a cunt to be an engineer....... But it sure helps your career if you've got one! You say that every time! " I'll stop when it ceases to be true. | |||
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" Lol that was the other one! " How do we get a more ethnically diverse work force? " erm... move the company out of Wiltshire I guess! YOU CUNTS! " No. You recruit in London and pay people to relocate, silly. | |||
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"Equality is not always about treating everyone the same – it is about treating people in such a way that the outcome for each person can be the same. This means putting things in place to support people to achieve similar outcomes." Excellent interpretation Thank you x | |||
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