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"Witchcraft is part of the satanism Can use for good and bad ?? " No it isn't. | |||
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"Witchcraft is part of the satanism Can use for good and bad ?? No it isn't. " Actually you're both wrong and right. Witchcraft and Satanism is neither good not bad. Both are part of pagan belief systems that were twisted into something bad by Christian faiths. | |||
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"So are you a pagan?? Are you still practicing or just gave it up?" Paganism doesn't believe in the Abrahamic religion's characters of people like Satan. | |||
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"Oh ok so What is satanism?" Anti Abrahamic religion. | |||
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"So are you a pagan?? Are you still practicing or just gave it up? Paganism doesn't believe in the Abrahamic religion's characters of people like Satan." Correct satan is a Christian thing. But the branch of pagan faith that calls themselves Satanists exsist. It's purly a new title to an old faith | |||
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"So are you a pagan?? Are you still practicing or just gave it up? Paganism doesn't believe in the Abrahamic religion's characters of people like Satan. Correct satan is a Christian thing. But the branch of pagan faith that calls themselves Satanists exsist. It's purly a new title to an old faith" No links to paganism. Just a bunch of pricks looking for an excuse to have orgies and occasionally kill unregistered people. | |||
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"Witchcraft is part of the satanism Can use for good and bad ?? No it isn't. Actually you're both wrong and right. Witchcraft and Satanism is neither good not bad. Both are part of pagan belief systems that were twisted into something bad by Christian faiths. " Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises | |||
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"Witchcraft is part of the satanism Can use for good and bad ?? No it isn't. Actually you're both wrong and right. Witchcraft and Satanism is neither good not bad. Both are part of pagan belief systems that were twisted into something bad by Christian faiths. Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises" I trust you're joking.  | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises" Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish "Do what you will but harm none is the only rule, that's one of the things i like about it.  | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Do what you will but harm none is the only rule, that's one of the things i like about it. " | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Do what you will but harm none is the only rule, that's one of the things i like about it.
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish "Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs... | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs..."There lies an interesting discussion on the ‘barbaric beliefs’ of the pagans and the slaughter of catholics by burning alive by Protestants as well as the usual.....NO BODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION....thumb screw type heretical blah de blahs. | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs..."And none of those things occur in the bible..... | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs..."Written by Christians no doubt. History is always at the mercy of the victors. In this way they seek to demonise what they fear and justify the mindless slaughter they commit in the name of their god. | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs...
And none of those things occur in the bible..... "Jewish Law condemned the Pagan rituals that I have mentioned... | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs...
And none of those things occur in the bible.....
Jewish Law condemned the Pagan rituals that I have mentioned..."As if the Jews don't have any blood on their hands.
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs...
There lies an interesting discussion on the ‘barbaric beliefs’ of the pagans and the slaughter of catholics by burning alive by Protestants as well as the usual.....NO BODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION....thumb screw type heretical blah de blahs. "And who wrote them...as most of the old faiths didn’t wrote their practices down. I’m a practising pagan. Always happy to meet others if people are interested in chatting. | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs...
Written by Christians no doubt. History is always at the mercy of the victors. In this way they seek to demonise what they fear and justify the mindless slaughter they commit in the name of their god."The Romans such as Julius Caeser recorded what the Celtic pagans of europe and Britain practiced, such as Human sacrifice.. Also other Roman/greek scholars testified of the same... The greatest slaughters were committed by Pagans and godless ideologies such as Marxismn, which in a few decades had murdered up to a 100 million people,a vast amount which were Christian | |||
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"Pagan beliefs included, child sex, sex with animals, the sacrifice of the first male child, the ritual raping of young virgins, the cutting of ones flesh...etc, etc The Christians were right to seek to put an end to such barbaric practises Hmmmmmm let’s not look too closely at the sins committed by Christians......as a Pagan I believe the first rule is harm none - that includes children and animals so you are are talking complete rubbish
Theres ample ancient texts and historical records which describe the main pagan beliefs and rituals, what I wrote above is just a few of their barbaric beliefs...
Written by Christians no doubt. History is always at the mercy of the victors. In this way they seek to demonise what they fear and justify the mindless slaughter they commit in the name of their god.
The Romans such as Julius Caeser recorded what the Celtic pagans of europe and Britain practiced, such as Human sacrifice..
Also other Roman/greek scholars testified of the same...
The greatest slaughters were committed by Pagans and godless ideologies such as Marxismn, which in a few decades had murdered up to a 100 million people,a vast amount which were Christian"Again, history is written by the victors. Having only an oral tradition early European pagans are at a distinct disadvantage here. Whilst i admit that forms of human sacrifice were evident, lacking the means to understand them should prevent us from judging. Your reliance on such 'evidence' removes the foundations of your argument. Furthermore, i find your rhetoric highly offensive and malinformed. I had hoped we had seen the back of such bigotry and religious zealotry but it seems we still have some way to go. This fundamentalism is no different to that displayed by the Abrahamists. | |||
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"Go with an honest heart and study sincerely these things rather than simply seek to castigate the Jews and Christians in your efforts to protect the evils practised by the ancient pagans" I do not seek to protect the 'evils' practised by ancient pagans because there are none to protect. On the subject of evils, if anyone wishes to be informed of the foul wrongdoings of the Abrahamists they need only watch the news. Paganism is the fastest growing religion in the UK, at the expense of your own, many of whom are at the forefront of righting the wrongs done in recent centuries. All these people can't be wrong so crawl back into your hole Christian, a new dawn is upon us. | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now..................... "You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan in origin. | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
"Far to accurate to be taken seriously.
I imagine Jedi to be taken serious if we (humans) are around in 2000 yrs.
as you said above, religions and beliefs will and always have evolved into what the society of today wants. If that doesn’t screem ‘manmade’ I don’t know what does.
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
Far to accurate to be taken seriously.
I imagine Jedi to be taken serious if we (humans) are around in 2000 yrs.
as you said above, religions and beliefs will and always have evolved into what the society of today wants. If that doesn’t screem ‘manmade’ I don’t know what does.
"Yet if you read my previous post you will find that many modern practises have their roots in ancient, pagan Briton and have been practised without cease and continue to be practised today. What time and rhetoric makes the conscious mind forget the sub conscious mind remembers. What may be seen as quaint and twee by many in today's society is actually taken very seriously by those practising it. I believe it has been our removal from the natural order that is the cause of many of the problems we face today. Methinks the best way forward is to embrace our ancient traditions rather than deride them. | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
Far to accurate to be taken seriously.
I imagine Jedi to be taken serious if we (humans) are around in 2000 yrs.
as you said above, religions and beliefs will and always have evolved into what the society of today wants. If that doesn’t screem ‘manmade’ I don’t know what does.
Yet if you read my previous post you will find that many modern practises have their roots in ancient, pagan Briton and have been practised without cease and continue to be practised today.
What time and rhetoric makes the conscious mind forget the sub conscious mind remembers. What may be seen as quaint and twee by many in today's society is actually taken very seriously by those practising it.
I believe it has been our removal from the natural order that is the cause of many of the problems we face today. Methinks the best way forward is to embrace our ancient traditions rather than deride them."Sorry, my references to what is manmade was towards Christians/Muslims/jews etc, all the Mainstream likeable and public accepted ones. The ones that advertise. I agree with a lot of what you say. | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
"Ok, I assume you mean the ancient origin of Easter to come from the goddess Eostre? The earliest, and pretty much only reference to this "goddess" was written by The Venerable Bead in the early 8th century. Whilst a prolific historian, he was very well known to intersperse fact and fiction to popularise his writings. There is no other earlier evidence to prove that Eostre ever existed as a recognised deity. As for dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival etc these are related to food and water, both things essential for life and their abundance and availability has been celebrated by virtually every society since history began. As for Halloween, again, many cultures celebrate the dead and the passing from earthly life. Dia de los Muertos, Chuseok and Pitri Pashka are just a few, unconnected but similar celebrations from around the world | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
Far to accurate to be taken seriously.
I imagine Jedi to be taken serious if we (humans) are around in 2000 yrs.
as you said above, religions and beliefs will and always have evolved into what the society of today wants. If that doesn’t screem ‘manmade’ I don’t know what does.
Yet if you read my previous post you will find that many modern practises have their roots in ancient, pagan Briton and have been practised without cease and continue to be practised today.
What time and rhetoric makes the conscious mind forget the sub conscious mind remembers. What may be seen as quaint and twee by many in today's society is actually taken very seriously by those practising it.
I believe it has been our removal from the natural order that is the cause of many of the problems we face today. Methinks the best way forward is to embrace our ancient traditions rather than deride them.
Sorry, my references to what is manmade was towards Christians/Muslims/jews etc, all the Mainstream likeable and public accepted ones. The ones that advertise.
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"I used to be interested in wiccan and even made some spells believe it or not. It's a lifestyle/religion and if you're not 100% committed then you're not going to do it the justice it deserves. " Surely that goes for any religion? I guess it would depend on how much you could trust your god ? | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
Ok, I assume you mean the ancient origin of Easter to come from the goddess Eostre? The earliest, and pretty much only reference to this "goddess" was written by The Venerable Bead in the early 8th century. Whilst a prolific historian, he was very well known to intersperse fact and fiction to popularise his writings. There is no other earlier evidence to prove that Eostre ever existed as a recognised deity. As for dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival etc these are related to food and water, both things essential for life and their abundance and availability has been celebrated by virtually every society since history began. As for Halloween, again, many cultures celebrate the dead and the passing from earthly life. Dia de los Muertos, Chuseok and Pitri Pashka are just a few, unconnected but similar celebrations from around the world"This is very much the problem we are faced with today. Because the European pagan religion was entirely oral there are no records to show that these festivals actually existed. There are no such writings of carefully choreographed rituals so people automatically assume they never existed. This does not make it true. As for the halloween traditions you mention, they have their roots in Catholicism who originally stole the idea from pagans. To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. | |||
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"Paganism as practised today never existed before the early 20th century when it was invented and popularised by bored wealthy socialites. It was inspired by stories of the ancient world, many of which were pure fiction. The term "pagan" itself just comes from the Latin "pagus" a word meaning "country dweller". Certainly before the 4th century, even that term didn't apply in any way to modern paganism. The "druids" (who were basically just local healers) left no written records, so everything believed today is extrapolated from scant archaeological records and texts written much later by (mostly) Roman scholars. I could go on, but I'm bored now.....................
You refer to Gerald Gardner, hailed as the founder of modern Wicca (a branch of paganism). Up to a point your comments are true. However, witchcraft itself has been practised in one form or another continually since Roman Briton. How old do you think the Easter celebrations are, where the symbolism of the egg and the rabbit come from? What about dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival, halloween etc etc? All are pagan
in origin.
Ok, I assume you mean the ancient origin of Easter to come from the goddess Eostre? The earliest, and pretty much only reference to this "goddess" was written by The Venerable Bead in the early 8th century. Whilst a prolific historian, he was very well known to intersperse fact and fiction to popularise his writings. There is no other earlier evidence to prove that Eostre ever existed as a recognised deity. As for dancing around the Maypole, well dressing, harvest festival etc these are related to food and water, both things essential for life and their abundance and availability has been celebrated by virtually every society since history began. As for Halloween, again, many cultures celebrate the dead and the passing from earthly life. Dia de los Muertos, Chuseok and Pitri Pashka are just a few, unconnected but similar celebrations from around the world
This is very much the problem we are faced with today. Because the European pagan religion was entirely oral there are no records to show that these festivals actually existed. There are no such writings of carefully choreographed rituals so people automatically assume they never existed. This does not make it true.
As for the halloween traditions you mention, they have their roots in Catholicism who originally stole the idea from pagans.
To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year.
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. " I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world. | |||
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"I once saw a naked woman dance around what looked like turnips in field.Im pretty sure she was a witch. There are supposed to be quite a few in the forest but never seen any myself" Burley was famous for witches the tourists still flock there because of it..It wasn't far from there I saw the naked dancer. | |||
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world."Precisely, and they're all considered pagan. I'll use Pitru Paksha as an example. There is no benefit with regards to survival and yet every ancient culture venerates their ancestors (surely there is a better use of time and resources). The festival is lunar based and takes place only 6 weeks before the European Samhain. This suggests a common thread in the psyche of all such peoples, why should European pagans be any different? It is difficult to know the difference between what's ancient tradition and a result of being corrupted by Christian missionaries but i believe the point holds true. | |||
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world.
Precisely, and they're all considered pagan. I'll use Pitru Paksha as an example. There is no benefit with regards to survival and yet every ancient culture venerates their ancestors (surely there is a better use of time and resources). The festival is lunar based and takes place only 6 weeks before the European Samhain.
This suggests a common thread in the psyche of all such peoples, why should European pagans be any different?
It is difficult to know the difference between what's ancient tradition and a result of being corrupted by Christian missionaries but i believe the point holds true."I think your definition of what "pagan" means is a fair bit broader than mine. Your definition appears to be that "pagan" means "every religion other than the Abrahamic ones", which is fair enough - that is pretty much the OED definition, but I don't think it's pertinent to the general theme of this thread, ie paganism and witchcraft in Ancient Briton. | |||
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world.
Precisely, and they're all considered pagan. I'll use Pitru Paksha as an example. There is no benefit with regards to survival and yet every ancient culture venerates their ancestors (surely there is a better use of time and resources). The festival is lunar based and takes place only 6 weeks before the European Samhain.
This suggests a common thread in the psyche of all such peoples, why should European pagans be any different?
It is difficult to know the difference between what's ancient tradition and a result of being corrupted by Christian missionaries but i believe the point holds true.
I think your definition of what "pagan" means is a fair bit broader than mine. Your definition appears to be that "pagan" means "every religion other than the Abrahamic ones", which is fair enough - that is pretty much the OED definition, but I don't think it's pertinent to the general theme of this thread, ie paganism and witchcraft in Ancient Briton."Paganism is indeed a very broad term, i myself specify European paganism (still a broad term). I think my point is pertinent. The argument was that because nothing was ever written by European pagans then how do we know that such rites existed? I simply drew attention to the fact that because such practises are a common thread amongst all ancient cultures that this implies the same is true of the European pagans. | |||
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world.
Precisely, and they're all considered pagan. I'll use Pitru Paksha as an example. There is no benefit with regards to survival and yet every ancient culture venerates their ancestors (surely there is a better use of time and resources). The festival is lunar based and takes place only 6 weeks before the European Samhain.
This suggests a common thread in the psyche of all such peoples, why should European pagans be any different?
It is difficult to know the difference between what's ancient tradition and a result of being corrupted by Christian missionaries but i believe the point holds true.
I think your definition of what "pagan" means is a fair bit broader than mine. Your definition appears to be that "pagan" means "every religion other than the Abrahamic ones", which is fair enough - that is pretty much the OED definition, but I don't think it's pertinent to the general theme of this thread, ie paganism and witchcraft in Ancient Briton.
Paganism is indeed a very broad term, i myself specify European paganism (still a broad term).
I think my point is pertinent. The argument was that because nothing was ever written by European pagans then how do we know that such rites existed? I simply drew attention to the fact that because such practises are a common thread amongst all ancient cultures that this implies the same is true of the European pagans."I suppose like every religion, it comes down to belief and faith. 
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" To prove my point. Look at all the ancient but entirely unconnected old world beliefs across the globe. It can be seen that fundamentally they all share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. I've cut the post down to save paper
I don't understand what point you're trying to prove? It's perfectly logical that cultures share common rites and practises carried out at similar times of the year. If you examine them, you'll find that they mostly celebrate things that are common across humanity, no matter where they're from or how unconnected physically they may be. Food, water, safety, fertility, shelter - these things are a necessity to all humans, and all are the main subjects of ancient rites. Catholics still have ancestors that were non-Catholic and may have adapted these rites to their own beliefs, so hardly "stealing"them, more "updating" them, which again, is common amongst societies around the world.
Precisely, and they're all considered pagan. I'll use Pitru Paksha as an example. There is no benefit with regards to survival and yet every ancient culture venerates their ancestors (surely there is a better use of time and resources). The festival is lunar based and takes place only 6 weeks before the European Samhain.
This suggests a common thread in the psyche of all such peoples, why should European pagans be any different?
It is difficult to know the difference between what's ancient tradition and a result of being corrupted by Christian missionaries but i believe the point holds true.
I think your definition of what "pagan" means is a fair bit broader than mine. Your definition appears to be that "pagan" means "every religion other than the Abrahamic ones", which is fair enough - that is pretty much the OED definition, but I don't think it's pertinent to the general theme of this thread, ie paganism and witchcraft in Ancient Briton.
Paganism is indeed a very broad term, i myself specify European paganism (still a broad term).
I think my point is pertinent. The argument was that because nothing was ever written by European pagans then how do we know that such rites existed? I simply drew attention to the fact that because such practises are a common thread amongst all ancient cultures that this implies the same is true of the European pagans.
I suppose like every religion, it comes down to belief and faith.
Thank you for discussing your beliefs so candidly, it's rare."I completely agree with you there. The thing with belief is that it requires no proof, only conviction. I don't seek to proselytise (we leave that to the Abrahamists) only explain. If i come across as a little defensive it's a result of the shit we still have to deal with, check out some of the earlier posts and you'll see what i mean. I trust you will understand. | |||
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"Anyone into witchcraft ?? Oh I think most ladies have a touch of Black Magic in them "mmmm chocolate | |||
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"Anyone into witchcraft ?? Oh I think most ladies have a touch of Black Magic in them
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. I like the idea of it.