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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier." If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?' | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'" That's actually a really good question. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?' That's actually a really good question. " Just the phrase "Spanish Bluebells" has a certain poetic quality about it. | |||
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"My eldest son works in woodland management. They evict those Spanish invaders and reintroduce our native variety. That'll learn them!" Can anybody tell the difference between a woodland glade carpeted in Spanish Bluebells and one with the British variety? When the wind blows through the boughs,do you hear it gently whisper "Buenos noches....te q'eiro"? | |||
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"My eldest son works in woodland management. They evict those Spanish invaders and reintroduce our native variety. That'll learn them! Can anybody tell the difference between a woodland glade carpeted in Spanish Bluebells and one with the British variety? When the wind blows through the boughs,do you hear it gently whisper "Buenos noches....te q'eiro"?" Yes...and when they sway in the breeze, they have that Flamenco aura about them | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?' That's actually a really good question. " The British one smells much nicer. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'" . That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are | |||
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"Can any of you tell the difference between the two This..." Yes, there is a marked difference between the two if you know what to look for. English bluebells grow to a height of between 8-10 inches and have narrow leaves which sit closer to the ground. Their flower spikes arch over and the flowers hang from the underside of this arch. Spanish bludbells are much bigger, growing to a height ot about 18 inches and have broader fleshier leaves which are generally held more upright. Their flower spikes grow vertically and the flowers hang in whorls around the stem much like a Hyacinth. There is some natural variability in both species but bluebells displaying a mix of both characteristics are most likely to be the aforementioned hybrids. | |||
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"Can any of you tell the difference between the two This... Yes, there is a marked difference between the two if you know what to look for. English bluebells grow to a height of between 8-10 inches and have narrow leaves which sit closer to the ground. Their flower spikes arch over and the flowers hang from the underside of this arch. Spanish bludbells are much bigger, growing to a height ot about 18 inches and have broader fleshier leaves which are generally held more upright. Their flower spikes grow vertically and the flowers hang in whorls around the stem much like a Hyacinth. There is some natural variability in both species but bluebells displaying a mix of both characteristics are most likely to be the aforementioned hybrids. I also know the difference "  | |||
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"Can any of you tell the difference between the two This... Yes, there is a marked difference between the two if you know what to look for. English bluebells grow to a height of between 8-10 inches and have narrow leaves which sit closer to the ground. Their flower spikes arch over and the flowers hang from the underside of this arch. Spanish bludbells are much bigger, growing to a height ot about 18 inches and have broader fleshier leaves which are generally held more upright. Their flower spikes grow vertically and the flowers hang in whorls around the stem much like a Hyacinth. There is some natural variability in both species but bluebells displaying a mix of both characteristics are most likely to be the aforementioned hybrids. I also know the difference "Apologies for preaching to the converted.  | |||
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"We have white bluebells " English bluebells are most often violet in colour but variatons of both white and pink sometimes occur. Spanish bluebells are always blue. | |||
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"Can any of you tell the difference between the two This... Yes, there is a marked difference between the two if you know what to look for. English bluebells grow to a height of between 8-10 inches and have narrow leaves which sit closer to the ground. Their flower spikes arch over and the flowers hang from the underside of this arch. Spanish bludbells are much bigger, growing to a height ot about 18 inches and have broader fleshier leaves which are generally held more upright. Their flower spikes grow vertically and the flowers hang in whorls around the stem much like a Hyacinth. There is some natural variability in both species but bluebells displaying a mix of both characteristics are most likely to be the aforementioned hybrids. I also know the difference
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are" Looking at it from an ecological perpective the case for organisms such as elephants is a different issue, if they are made extinct there will never be anything to replace them. The entire ecosystem will be unbalanced for all time. With squirrels and bluebells, however, they are being diminished by organisms so similar there is likely to be no ecological impact at all, the same level of bio-diversity is maintained, so the question is a good one. Personally i believe both the English bluebell and the Red squirrel should be preserved but for the purposes of aesthetics and to maintain the status quo of the countryside not for any damage that may be done. There are far more dangerous invaders taking over our land. | |||
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"Foreign invaders to our shores is nothing new, besides the Frenchies during Napoleon's time (and we showed him good and proper), there are many non-indigenous plants, insects, inverts, fish and mammals that have made it to our shores and cause problems for the indigenous wildlife. The eradication of the Coypu on the Norfolk broads is a good example how sustained programs can deal with such problems.. The bluebell one is a bigger issue though as they both look like bluebells to me.. " . You'd notice the difference straight away if you were blind, one has no scent whatsoever and the other has a very lovely bouquet | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are" You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you? | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?" You have a good point, read my previous post. | |||
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"I went in a bluebell walk on Wednesday but there weren't many bluebells to be seen. Have I missed them all??" I don't know about Norfolk but they're in full flower here. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?" . You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment" It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole." . That question is impossible to answer as the ecosystem is connected in a billion different ways. If you read up to what I actually wrote which the lady in question missed was would it make any difference IF AFRICAN elephants went extinct not elephants | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole.. That question is impossible to answer as the ecosystem is connected in a billion different ways. If you read up to what I actually wrote which the lady in question missed was would it make any difference IF AFRICAN elephants went extinct not elephants" I have a profound understanding of how ecology works. To an ecosystem it is not so much the importance of an individual species that matters more it's role within it. If grey squirrels and Spanish bluebells fit the niche perfectly then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not sure of the point your trying to make regarding elephants. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole.. That question is impossible to answer as the ecosystem is connected in a billion different ways. If you read up to what I actually wrote which the lady in question missed was would it make any difference IF AFRICAN elephants went extinct not elephants I have a profound understanding of how ecology works. To an ecosystem it is not so much the importance of an individual species that matters more it's role within it. If grey squirrels and Spanish bluebells fit the niche perfectly then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not sure of the point your trying to make regarding elephants." . But we're not really talking about NATURAL selection here are we?. We talking about casual human entitlement to do with the environment as we see fit. Spanish bluebells nor grey squirrels would never be here without human involvement, therefore does it matter if we hunt the African elephant into extinction,I mean the Indian elephant does pretty much the same shit | |||
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"Foreign invaders to our shores is nothing new, besides the Frenchies during Napoleon's time (and we showed him good and proper), there are many non-indigenous plants, insects, inverts, fish and mammals that have made it to our shores and cause problems for the indigenous wildlife. The eradication of the Coypu on the Norfolk broads is a good example how sustained programs can deal with such problems.. The bluebell one is a bigger issue though as they both look like bluebells to me.. " Have you ever seen a coypu? They used to be on the river/stream at the end of my street. | |||
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"I went in a bluebell walk on Wednesday but there weren't many bluebells to be seen. Have I missed them all?? I don't know about Norfolk but they're in full flower here. " Then I shall go again next weekend and see if there are any more. | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole.. That question is impossible to answer as the ecosystem is connected in a billion different ways. If you read up to what I actually wrote which the lady in question missed was would it make any difference IF AFRICAN elephants went extinct not elephants I have a profound understanding of how ecology works. To an ecosystem it is not so much the importance of an individual species that matters more it's role within it. If grey squirrels and Spanish bluebells fit the niche perfectly then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not sure of the point your trying to make regarding elephants.. But we're not really talking about NATURAL selection here are we?. We talking about casual human entitlement to do with the environment as we see fit. Spanish bluebells nor grey squirrels would never be here without human involvement, therefore does it matter if we hunt the African elephant into extinction,I mean the Indian elephant does pretty much the same shit" Not necessarily, i believe the elephant argument is a little different. Again, whether the loss is natural or man made if the organism fits the niche then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not saying it's right i'm just coming at this from a different viewpoint. | |||
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"I have no worry about a Spanish blue bell infestation, my bind colony will deal with them swiftly. " As the damned stuff does with most things.  | |||
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"I have no worry about a Spanish blue bell infestation, my bind colony will deal with them swiftly. As the damned stuff does with most things. "I'm going to try to get a grip on it before it runs riot this year, but it's back and knee breaking work and I'm not as capable any more. | |||
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"I have no worry about a Spanish blue bell infestation, my bind colony will deal with them swiftly. As the damned stuff does with most things.
I'm going to try to get a grip on it before it runs riot this year, but it's back and knee breaking work and I'm not as capable any more."I feel your pain. It's hard work i know.  | |||
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"There's nothing more magnificent at this time of year than the en mass violet swathes of English bluebells carpetting the floors of our ancient woodlands. However, they are under threat from a foreign invader. Spanish bluebells have been a common introduction to our gardens for some time and they've escaped into our countryside. Being much more vigorous than the indiginous species they are outcompeting them. Worse than this though is the fact that the two species freely hybridise to the point where many of what we assume to be natives probably contain some Spanish genes. It's got to the point now where if you wish to redress the balance and plant the English variety it is recommended that you buy only stock that is certified genetically pure from a reputable supplier. If it reached a point where English bluebells were completely over run by the Spanish ones and became extinct, what difference would someone like me (who knows nothing about bluebells) notice? I guess I'm really asking 'does it matter?'. That's interestingly a typical human response to the environment, British bluebells like many other species are under threat from human activities, Spanish varieties simply wouldn't be here without us. What difference will it make if the African elephant goes extinct, or red squirrels or British bluebells to you! Pretty much none and that's why yours and many others attitudes are what they are You don't know what my attitude is. I only asked what difference it would make if Britain was carpeted in a different variety of bluebells,if any. It would probably make no practical difference to me,or to you,if elephants were extinct but,I am pretty sure the world would be a less wonderful place without them. Would Britain be any different with a different variety of bluebells? Is there even a difference? I don't know,do you?. You've answered your own question, it makes no difference to you therefore it doesn't matter, that was my point about how the vast majority of humans treat the environment It's more to do with how the loss of a single species impacts the local ecosystem as a whole.. That question is impossible to answer as the ecosystem is connected in a billion different ways. If you read up to what I actually wrote which the lady in question missed was would it make any difference IF AFRICAN elephants went extinct not elephants I have a profound understanding of how ecology works. To an ecosystem it is not so much the importance of an individual species that matters more it's role within it. If grey squirrels and Spanish bluebells fit the niche perfectly then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not sure of the point your trying to make regarding elephants.. But we're not really talking about NATURAL selection here are we?. We talking about casual human entitlement to do with the environment as we see fit. Spanish bluebells nor grey squirrels would never be here without human involvement, therefore does it matter if we hunt the African elephant into extinction,I mean the Indian elephant does pretty much the same shit Not necessarily, i believe the elephant argument is a little different. Again, whether the loss is natural or man made if the organism fits the niche then to the ecosystem it makes no difference. I'm not saying it's right i'm just coming at this from a different viewpoint." . As a overly populated large mammal top feeder, it's probably best not to change the ecosystem to much, I'm not saying that Spanish bluebells will diminish the ecosystem but small things change it dramatically and that's probably not the best line to go down to us a species. That of course is a different argument than one of an intelligent species that understands how what and why there doing to the environment but seem to have no ability to right wrongs because it's just a flower that's not much different than the other flower and that's the same argument I was using over the African elephant but could equally apply to the black rhino or the golden eagle or a church bat | |||
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