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"It completely a way of keeping the motor industry alive. Cars are classed as old when they are older than 10 years. Yet engines can now easily do 200k plus. The other issue is the debt bubble on lease cars; where cars at the end of the lease period are worth less than the expected value" And the irony is is that due to the new legislation regarding MOT's my tester has told me that it would be better to keep my 2004 Hilux running for as long as possible rather than trade it in for a newer one. This seems counterproductive if the industry is to be believed. Btw, cool username. ![]() | |||
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"The only people who can really tell you how much energy goes into making a new car are the manufacturers and I can’t imagine they want to start that information leaking out. All I know is there are about 50,000 components in a car and they all have to be made from something, put through a factory, tested, packaged and shipped to the car factory. When you think of all the people doing that who have to drive there it’s a lot of pollution that otherwise wouldn’t be happening. The mantra now is about emissions but again the manufacturers are talking about exhaust emissions only, something like a third of car emissions are from brakes and tyres - they all wear out, those particles have to go somewhere and they’re too big to get absorbed into the air so they just hang around for us to breathe and be poisoned by. It’s an interesting topic (if you’re a bit geeky) but the truth is probably impossible to get at. Car manufacturers are building cars to make money, not save the planet. That’s worth remembering a bit more often." If anyone looks to the manufacturers for guidance i would point them to the recent VW farce. I don't really think any of them are to be trusted. As you say it's all about profit margins. If you're coming at this from the perspective of pollution you have to look beyond the vehicle itself, at the factories that build them, the import/export of parts, distribution of the finished product. All contribute towards pollution, on top of that there is pollution created in the scrapping of our old vehicles. I think it's fair to say that the majority of second hand cars are bought and sold locally and the manufacture and transport of a new alternator is far less environmentally damaging than that of a new car. | |||
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"Following the success (not) of my last conspiracy post i thought i'd do another one. Obviously now the onus is on the environment and fuel efficiency and we are encouraged to invest in new cars to meet this expectation. Then you read that actually it's far more damaging to the environment to build a new car than it is to keep an old one running, especially when you factor in scrappage. For the slight improvement in fuel efficiency it seems it's just not worth it, the numbers don't add up. If this is all true i can only assume this is a cynical tactic to prop up the car industry which would of course collapse. On a side note. The lighter a car is the more fuel efficient it is. Why then do we continue to fill them with extraneous shit we don't actually need? ie electric windows, central locking, air con, ABS etc. But what really drives me wild is this sudden surge in popularity of these ridiculous SUV sports crossover hybrids or whatever else you want to call them. Too big to be a car, too shit to be an off-roader bought by people who's only experience of going off-road is walking the dog in the local park. Your thoughts please. " I agree with you ... I’m due a change next year but who knows what to go for! I always down grade for company car tax reasons - BIG JOB but chose to stick with a smaller version... less in the tax mans pocket and more in mine! Cross-over 4x4! ![]() | |||
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"Following the success (not) of my last conspiracy post i thought i'd do another one. Obviously now the onus is on the environment and fuel efficiency and we are encouraged to invest in new cars to meet this expectation. Then you read that actually it's far more damaging to the environment to build a new car than it is to keep an old one running, especially when you factor in scrappage. For the slight improvement in fuel efficiency it seems it's just not worth it, the numbers don't add up. If this is all true i can only assume this is a cynical tactic to prop up the car industry which would of course collapse. On a side note. The lighter a car is the more fuel efficient it is. Why then do we continue to fill them with extraneous shit we don't actually need? ie electric windows, central locking, air con, ABS etc. But what really drives me wild is this sudden surge in popularity of these ridiculous SUV sports crossover hybrids or whatever else you want to call them. Too big to be a car, too shit to be an off-roader bought by people who's only experience of going off-road is walking the dog in the local park. Your thoughts please. I agree with you ... I’m due a change next year but who knows what to go for! I always down grade for company car tax reasons - BIG JOB but chose to stick with a smaller version... less in the tax mans pocket and more in mine! Cross-over 4x4! ![]() * Honey i'm taking little Timmy to school in the SUV because, as you know, the school is located in a completely inaccesible spot on the other side of a large wooded valley with a river running through it and it's been pissing down all night, see you in a jiffy. ![]() | |||
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"Following the success (not) of my last conspiracy post i thought i'd do another one. Obviously now the onus is on the environment and fuel efficiency and we are encouraged to invest in new cars to meet this expectation. Then you read that actually it's far more damaging to the environment to build a new car than it is to keep an old one running, especially when you factor in scrappage. For the slight improvement in fuel efficiency it seems it's just not worth it, the numbers don't add up. If this is all true i can only assume this is a cynical tactic to prop up the car industry which would of course collapse. On a side note. The lighter a car is the more fuel efficient it is. Why then do we continue to fill them with extraneous shit we don't actually need? ie electric windows, central locking, air con, ABS etc. But what really drives me wild is this sudden surge in popularity of these ridiculous SUV sports crossover hybrids or whatever else you want to call them. Too big to be a car, too shit to be an off-roader bought by people who's only experience of going off-road is walking the dog in the local park. Your thoughts please. I agree with you ... I’m due a change next year but who knows what to go for! I always down grade for company car tax reasons - BIG JOB but chose to stick with a smaller version... less in the tax mans pocket and more in mine! Cross-over 4x4! ![]() ![]() I love my Q5 | |||
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"Following the success (not) of my last conspiracy post i thought i'd do another one. Obviously now the onus is on the environment and fuel efficiency and we are encouraged to invest in new cars to meet this expectation. Then you read that actually it's far more damaging to the environment to build a new car than it is to keep an old one running, especially when you factor in scrappage. For the slight improvement in fuel efficiency it seems it's just not worth it, the numbers don't add up. If this is all true i can only assume this is a cynical tactic to prop up the car industry which would of course collapse. On a side note. The lighter a car is the more fuel efficient it is. Why then do we continue to fill them with extraneous shit we don't actually need? ie electric windows, central locking, air con, ABS etc. But what really drives me wild is this sudden surge in popularity of these ridiculous SUV sports crossover hybrids or whatever else you want to call them. Too big to be a car, too shit to be an off-roader bought by people who's only experience of going off-road is walking the dog in the local park. Your thoughts please. I agree with you ... I’m due a change next year but who knows what to go for! I always down grade for company car tax reasons - BIG JOB but chose to stick with a smaller version... less in the tax mans pocket and more in mine! Cross-over 4x4! ![]() ![]() If that's an SUV can you explain to me what made you buy it? Do you think such a vehicle is essential in your day to day life? Curious not having a go. | |||
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"Following the success (not) of my last conspiracy post i thought i'd do another one. Obviously now the onus is on the environment and fuel efficiency and we are encouraged to invest in new cars to meet this expectation. Then you read that actually it's far more damaging to the environment to build a new car than it is to keep an old one running, especially when you factor in scrappage. For the slight improvement in fuel efficiency it seems it's just not worth it, the numbers don't add up. If this is all true i can only assume this is a cynical tactic to prop up the car industry which would of course collapse. On a side note. The lighter a car is the more fuel efficient it is. Why then do we continue to fill them with extraneous shit we don't actually need? ie electric windows, central locking, air con, ABS etc. But what really drives me wild is this sudden surge in popularity of these ridiculous SUV sports crossover hybrids or whatever else you want to call them. Too big to be a car, too shit to be an off-roader bought by people who's only experience of going off-road is walking the dog in the local park. Your thoughts please. I agree with you ... I’m due a change next year but who knows what to go for! I always down grade for company car tax reasons - BIG JOB but chose to stick with a smaller version... less in the tax mans pocket and more in mine! Cross-over 4x4! ![]() ![]() Well, I do use it to tow a caravan and live out in the sticks. Also use it often in France and just love the higher ride and comfort. I also have a TT which I enjoy driving. Wouldn’t take either into London. I’m afraid I’m a child of the internal combustion age. I was raised to want and need a car. I’m addicted. | |||
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"The only people who can really tell you how much energy goes into making a new car are the manufacturers and I can’t imagine they want to start that information leaking out. All I know is there are about 50,000 components in a car and they all have to be made from something, put through a factory, tested, packaged and shipped to the car factory. When you think of all the people doing that who have to drive there it’s a lot of pollution that otherwise wouldn’t be happening. The mantra now is about emissions but again the manufacturers are talking about exhaust emissions only, something like a third of car emissions are from brakes and tyres - they all wear out, those particles have to go somewhere and they’re too big to get absorbed into the air so they just hang around for us to breathe and be poisoned by. It’s an interesting topic (if you’re a bit geeky) but the truth is probably impossible to get at. Car manufacturers are building cars to make money, not save the planet. That’s worth remembering a bit more often. If anyone looks to the manufacturers for guidance i would point them to the recent VW farce. I don't really think any of them are to be trusted. As you say it's all about profit margins. If you're coming at this from the perspective of pollution you have to look beyond the vehicle itself, at the factories that build them, the import/export of parts, distribution of the finished product. All contribute towards pollution, on top of that there is pollution created in the scrapping of our old vehicles. I think it's fair to say that the majority of second hand cars are bought and sold locally and the manufacture and transport of a new alternator is far less environmentally damaging than that of a new car." With the components I was talking about an alternator being made in China or Mexico and then being shipped to Germany to be fitted to the car which then gets shipped to the new owner. There’s also some very high-energy processes used; making steel takes a huge amount of power, turning that into car parts takes even more. Riversimple are trying to not only introduce an electric car but make it lighter and more efficient so it’s polution is much reduced. They’re also trying out a different kind of ownership scheme where the car is owned by the company and sort of rented to the buyer. As the car stays owned by the company this means it’s in their interest to make it last as long as possible which again is very different to other manufacturers. | |||
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"We've had a similar conversation recently after being given a brand new Nissan X-trail as a hire car for the last week, my first thought was it's fricking huge, closely followed by it's a bit of squeeze in the back for two teenagers and a child in a car seat, they had more room in my old Meriva!! I looked to see how much it was and starting price was £25k, but for what? A few nifty features; anti glare mirror, fancy sunroof and a shit load of wasted metal/fibre glass on the outside. I much prefer older cars where even I can have a go at repairing them and doing the basics. Ginger" . Cars a bit like smart phones the new ones don't really do anything different than the old and hence why they spend gazillions on marketing convincing people that they really really really do need a new one! I just won't be anybody unless I'm driving the new hip blah blah blah. | |||
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"We've had a similar conversation recently after being given a brand new Nissan X-trail as a hire car for the last week, my first thought was it's fricking huge, closely followed by it's a bit of squeeze in the back for two teenagers and a child in a car seat, they had more room in my old Meriva!! I looked to see how much it was and starting price was £25k, but for what? A few nifty features; anti glare mirror, fancy sunroof and a shit load of wasted metal/fibre glass on the outside. I much prefer older cars where even I can have a go at repairing them and doing the basics. Ginger" Some of my earlier cars were my favourites, Cortinas and VW Sciroccos, you could get any spare you wanted from any breaker for just a few quid. I miss not being able not to have a tinker. I look under the bonnets of new cars and i have no idea what/where anything is, even something as simple as an oil change leaves me scratching my head. ![]() | |||
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"Scrapping 10 year old cars, Maybe the big car manufacturers are running out of raw materials to make the shinny new cars for us to buy, More about keeping the share holders happy then saving the environment" That's the way i see it. This fuel efficiency spin is just a red herring, if they really wanted to save the planet you'd think they'd make cars as light as possible. Instead they stuff them full of the latest gadgets in order to convince us to buy this year's model. They hide the truth from us because if it became common knowledge they'd be finished. It's all smoke and mirrors. I'm hanging on to what i've got, anyone else with a conscience should do the same. | |||
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"The only people who can really tell you how much energy goes into making a new car are the manufacturers and I can’t imagine they want to start that information leaking out. All I know is there are about 50,000 components in a car and they all have to be made from something, put through a factory, tested, packaged and shipped to the car factory. When you think of all the people doing that who have to drive there it’s a lot of pollution that otherwise wouldn’t be happening. The mantra now is about emissions but again the manufacturers are talking about exhaust emissions only, something like a third of car emissions are from brakes and tyres - they all wear out, those particles have to go somewhere and they’re too big to get absorbed into the air so they just hang around for us to breathe and be poisoned by. It’s an interesting topic (if you’re a bit geeky) but the truth is probably impossible to get at. Car manufacturers are building cars to make money, not save the planet. That’s worth remembering a bit more often. If anyone looks to the manufacturers for guidance i would point them to the recent VW farce. I don't really think any of them are to be trusted. As you say it's all about profit margins. If you're coming at this from the perspective of pollution you have to look beyond the vehicle itself, at the factories that build them, the import/export of parts, distribution of the finished product. All contribute towards pollution, on top of that there is pollution created in the scrapping of our old vehicles. I think it's fair to say that the majority of second hand cars are bought and sold locally and the manufacture and transport of a new alternator is far less environmentally damaging than that of a new car. With the components I was talking about an alternator being made in China or Mexico and then being shipped to Germany to be fitted to the car which then gets shipped to the new owner. There’s also some very high-energy processes used; making steel takes a huge amount of power, turning that into car parts takes even more. Riversimple are trying to not only introduce an electric car but make it lighter and more efficient so it’s polution is much reduced. They’re also trying out a different kind of ownership scheme where the car is owned by the company and sort of rented to the buyer. As the car stays owned by the company this means it’s in their interest to make it last as long as possible which again is very different to other manufacturers." I worked at a place that made parts for Honda,Toyota,Jaguar and Land rover. You would be surprised at how many HGVS would coming in and out in 24 hours. Some would leave with just two containers on.You could fit the two containers in a Transit,they literally transported fresh air. This happens night after night,sometimes they hire helicopters to fly the parts. It's cheaper to pay for a helicopter than pay the fine for stopping the production line. | |||
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