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"Its about culture rather than infastructure... I would worry what couls possibly happen. Been to plenty 40000-50000 plus attended games in other sports with standing terraces. But look at what happened at wembley stadium recently or any corner kick ot throw in a player takes in front of opposing fans... not sure those people can be trusted..."  | |||
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"Why go back? Footballs completely changed from what it was when there was standing. I can’t see the atmosphere ever coming back you what it was. Look at the Anfield game with City and LFC. (Take away the thugs before the game) how the atmosphere was looked at as hostile etc). If I had to vote one way, I’d vote no to standing. " And huge sections of the crowd that night we're standing. It is much more dangerous to stand in seated areas than to install the safe standing rails. People will still stand regardless so why not make it safer. The police and health and safety and council and stadium safety approved West Broms application because it was SAFE ! It was only the government that knocked it back without explanation. It will happen because it is safer. Gone are the days of unknown capacities at games where everyone bunked in. Attendance is and will be regulated so how can it not be safe. | |||
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"There is safe standing behind the goal at my local ground (league 2), for home supporters only. I think it's great & it's always rammed there. Would it work at premiership grounds? That's where I'd say it's not a good idea still. " I don't think that is actually the safe standing that is being discussed. As a follower of a league 2 club myself I've visited many football grounds that have standing areas. These are the old style terraces because they are still allowed in the lower leagues and many clubs either don't want to replace them or can't afford to. The safe standing system is used in Germany to great success. Every person has a small perch type seat that they can choose to use and the fans all have a designated space to stand roughly the same size as they get in an all seater stadium. | |||
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"Why go back? Footballs completely changed from what it was when there was standing. I can’t see the atmosphere ever coming back you what it was. Look at the Anfield game with City and LFC. (Take away the thugs before the game) how the atmosphere was looked at as hostile etc). If I had to vote one way, I’d vote no to standing. And huge sections of the crowd that night we're standing. It is much more dangerous to stand in seated areas than to install the safe standing rails. People will still stand regardless so why not make it safer. The police and health and safety and council and stadium safety approved West Broms application because it was SAFE ! It was only the government that knocked it back without explanation. It will happen because it is safer. Gone are the days of unknown capacities at games where everyone bunked in. Attendance is and will be regulated so how can it not be safe." This
If you know anything about football or attending games you will know that standing in a specialised standing area like at Celtic it works and is far safer than standing in a seated area....I never sit when I go the game if I wanted to sit I'd go to the theatre or cinema | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. " Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. | |||
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"i fully understand that the feeling on merseyside for example may be different from the rest of the country, but i would absolutely love "safe standing" to come back... I think arsenal are quite lucky where they actually had "safe standing" design built into the emirates, so it could be converted quite easily and then go back to all seater for european/international game and concerts...." Your wrong for starters there as most lfc fans want SAFE standing in the kop as the majority stand up in the kop anyway and it is much safer to stand in a purpose built standing section than stand in a seating section were you could topple over the seats if you leant forward | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. " I wouldn't go to away games then if I was you as most away fans do want to stand unfortunately for yourself | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. I wouldn't go to away games then if I was you as most away fans do want to stand unfortunately for yourself "Why should i stop going to away games though. Most do sit down but because at away games you cant chose your seats then i can end up amoung men who are standing instead of amoung people who mostly sit. Bringing in safe standing areas is unlikely to stop people standing in seated areas especially at away games. | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. I wouldn't go to away games then if I was you as most away fans do want to stand unfortunately for yourself
Why should i stop going to away games though. Most do sit down but because at away games you cant chose your seats then i can end up amoung men who are standing instead of amoung people who mostly sit. Bringing in safe standing areas is unlikely to stop people standing in seated areas especially at away games."What team do u support? Well in an away stand if they had a specific standing area and specific seating area created then you should be in the seated area and if someone stands up the steward should tell them sit down but if your in the standing section and you want to sit down then you shouldn't be in that area...most people stand because they want to sing and create an atmosphere..when I go watching lfc and go in the kop I stand and sing which has always been the way on the kop..if your sat down in the kop arms folded and not singing then you shouldn't be in there you should be in the centenary or main stand where most people sit down | |||
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"2600 safe standing installed @ £500k at Celtic Park in 2017. How many clubs outside the PL have that amount of cash floating around for it ? Terracing worked perfectly well untill somebody decided to open the wrong gates rather than do there jobs properly at Hillsborough . Had the Jobs been done correctly , fans would have been funnelled into the correct areas of the ground. Fans were treated like animals by authorities , because some fans were hooligans . Look at the trouble after the Russian game in France or olympic stadium for examples of how ground safety can be seen by some as failing . " Safe standing is defo the future..I'd love go to a dortmund game and stand in the wall | |||
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"My 2 sons have season tickets in the standing section at Celtic park. Never a problem and the atmosphere is 2nd to none when it all gets going.tbey would never change where they stand. I'm not 1 bit scared as although it's standing they have enough space." Totally agree...a group of lfc fans who are associated with SOS (spirit of shankly) went to Celtic park recently went to a game and stood in the standing section and only had positive things to say about it said it was brilliant | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway ." Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! | |||
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"Not keen, its like the rich want to watch poorer people stand for what they love" What lol? | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! " Hillsborough wasn't down to standing it was down to poor organisation and the main gate being opened when it shouldn't of been and then the fans being directed into an already full pen,it also should of never passed it's health and safety regs as the same situation nearly happened a few years earlier a couple of times I think...possibly involving a game with spurs...That ground was a death trap...Hillsborough would of still happened if it was seated I don't know if you or other people know this on the thread but these SAFE standing areas have a rail going across about waist height BUT they also have seats as well but there more for having a sit down at half time | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! " that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see." This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. I wouldn't go to away games then if I was you as most away fans do want to stand unfortunately for yourself
Why should i stop going to away games though. Most do sit down but because at away games you cant chose your seats then i can end up amoung men who are standing instead of amoung people who mostly sit. Bringing in safe standing areas is unlikely to stop people standing in seated areas especially at away games.
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Well in an away stand if they had a specific standing area and specific seating area created then you should be in the seated area and if someone stands up the steward should tell them sit down but if your in the standing section and you want to sit down then you shouldn't be in that area...most people stand because they want to sing and create an atmosphere..when I go watching lfc and go in the kop I stand and sing which has always been the way on the kop..if your sat down in the kop arms folded and not singing then you shouldn't be in there you should be in the centenary or main stand where most people sit down"Whats standing up got to do with singing ? I can sing shout and create a good atmosphere sitting down. I do stand when we score just not for the whole game. I think at away games some people (mostly men) will stand regardless of the area they are in which will cause a problem for people like me who cant stand for long. At my club i am in the kop. | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x"You have very odd views about people that like to be able to sit down at games. My club have a great atmosphere even amoung those of us who cant stand for long. | |||
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"Just to let you know I have voted yes - for safe standing I stand at most home games and most away games that I attend. Because of people (mostly men) standing at away games it means i no longer go to away games because its impossible for me to stand for long without being in extreme pain. I think that even if "safe standing" is brought in people will still stand anywhere especially at away games and this ruins it for me and many others. I wouldn't go to away games then if I was you as most away fans do want to stand unfortunately for yourself
Why should i stop going to away games though. Most do sit down but because at away games you cant chose your seats then i can end up amoung men who are standing instead of amoung people who mostly sit. Bringing in safe standing areas is unlikely to stop people standing in seated areas especially at away games.
What team do u support?
Well in an away stand if they had a specific standing area and specific seating area created then you should be in the seated area and if someone stands up the steward should tell them sit down but if your in the standing section and you want to sit down then you shouldn't be in that area...most people stand because they want to sing and create an atmosphere..when I go watching lfc and go in the kop I stand and sing which has always been the way on the kop..if your sat down in the kop arms folded and not singing then you shouldn't be in there you should be in the centenary or main stand where most people sit down
Whats standing up got to do with singing ? I can sing shout and create a good atmosphere sitting down. I do stand when we score just not for the whole game. I think at away games some people (mostly men) will stand regardless of the area they are in which will cause a problem for people like me who cant stand for long. At my club i am in the kop. "Standing helps regarding atmosphere I know from experience...regarding away games yes it is the done thing to stand if you was sat behind me and you asked me sit down I'm afraid I wouldn't...I'm sorry but 5000 away fans aren't going to sit because of yourself..if you struggle to stand up for long periods maybe you could see if you get a corporate ticket or a disabled supporter ticket | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x
You have very odd views about people that like to be able to sit down at games. My club have a great atmosphere even amoung those of us who cant stand for long. "Odd??? It's a matter of opinion I think your odd for wanting to sit down (fair enough if it's a medical condition) if there are stands at the club you support where no one stands up which they have at lfc...mainly where corporate and tourists sit then youd be better of in that stand | |||
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"Home games are fine. I sit in the kop. Its away games that are the problem as i cant chose where i sit. I dont think safe standing will solve the problem of standing at away games. " I understand your first part What problem? All SAFE standing will mean is that standing is allowed and is safer but if you want to sit in safe standing area you couldn't ask the person to sit down as it's a standing area....I think your going to struggle to persuade people to sit down..if I was stood in front you and everyone else was stood up and you asked me sit down I wouldn't as I wouldn't be able to see myself...if you did a survey amongst away fans regarding sitting and standing..sitting would definitely be the minority choice | |||
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"I know that there is a number of the fab community that regularly go to football. One of the topics that I am really pushing for is the safe standing for certain parts of grounds. Anyway I just wondered if anyone else had views on it " I stopped going to football matches when they stopped people standing. Sad times IMHO x | |||
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"I Think if you asked the real supporters As in season ticket holders and folk that go week in week out if your club gave the chance of a safe standing section the majority would say yes.that way folk that want to stand can and those that don't don't have folk standing the whole game in front of them." Exactly...they should ask them and say are you happy to stand sing and shout if they say yes they get a SAFE standing ticket..they say no they have to sit elsewhere in a quieter part of the stadium | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x"Oh bless you sweetheart im very rarely offended! im also sometimes wrong! I’ll look into it more - but as a mum i obviously want to know my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match! Xx | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x
Oh bless you sweetheart im very rarely offended! im also sometimes wrong! I’ll look into it more - but as a mum i obviously want to know my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match! Xx"as I said my 2 sons 18 and 15 are in the safe standing section at Celtic park..im a mum and I wouldn't have allowed them there if for 1 min I didn't think it was safe. | |||
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"I know that there is a number of the fab community that regularly go to football. One of the topics that I am really pushing for is the safe standing for certain parts of grounds. Anyway I just wondered if anyone else had views on it I stopped going to football matches when they stopped people standing. Sad times IMHO x" I know nowhere near as good...at Liverpool in the big games in the kop your allowed to stand but vs shite teams your told to sit down by stewards because someone has grasses and told steward they can't see...the more SAFE standing areas come back the better x | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x
Oh bless you sweetheart im very rarely offended! im also sometimes wrong! I’ll look into it more - but as a mum i obviously want to know my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match! Xx"Safe standing is very safe your son will be fine x | |||
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"I dont see normal old style terracing as unsafe anyway, it's only when too many people were let into a particular section that it was dangerous. I stand at Bristol Rovers and even when the ground has been sold out there are no problems whatsoever. " Spot on...it can be SAFE when it is well managed and all health and safety regs are adhered to | |||
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"A lot of away fans stand up for the whole 90 minutes anyway . Yeah we do! But by having the option of a chair etc it puts space between one fan and another! I prefer this option tbh! My 14 year old son is an avid football fan now - the idea of him ever being in a situation like Hillsborough - even a much smaller version of it - makes my blood run cold! I can see why some are all for it as it would create space for more supporters at capacity matches - but I’d rather stand and have that seat behind me - and I certainly want to know that my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match without me! that's so mot the case as I said previously you have your own allocated space and the option of a seat if you want to sit...there would never be a situation where there are too many people in it as it's a allocated space for each individual ...google it and you would see. This
No offence to peachy but you are spot on there...I think a lot people don't really understand SAFE standing areas it would still be.more or less capacity it just means standing is the preferred option in that section so no one can tell you to sit down...if they want to sit down they can go to another area of the stadium and sit down while eating there popcorn and recording the whole game on there phone lol..
As far as I'm concerned the kop should be changed to a full SAFE standing section where people can sing and create an atmosphere...if you know you know x
Oh bless you sweetheart im very rarely offended! im also sometimes wrong! I’ll look into it more - but as a mum i obviously want to know my baby is as safe as he can possibly be when he goes to a match! Xxas I said my 2 sons 18 and 15 are in the safe standing section at Celtic park..im a mum and I wouldn't have allowed them there if for 1 min I didn't think it was safe."Hopefully they extend it to other areas of Celtic park as I've always wanted to experience the atmosphere x | |||
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"Football in terms of noise and banter isn't the same these days . I'm glad I experienced the terraces in my teens with my mates . The away fans so close to you apart from a dividing fence . The fun was taken away with the terraces, yes its safer and more family orientated now but the rough and ready in the kop and sheer chaos when your side scored a goal is what made football. " Too many people taking pack lunches and recording on there phone instead of joining in the atmosphere...also in the terraces you could all stand together with your mates..whereas now it's virtually impossible get a single ticket at lfc never mind 4 together | |||
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