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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Symptomatic of a general hostility to immigrants?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could you elaborate?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Maybe better in politics?

It's an ongoing situation where we are frightening and treating people without respect. People who have been here for decades, have no other established homes, yet are being denied services and deported or being threatened. Sickening.

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By *ovingittwoCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Think Windrush was a ship which brought lots of migrants to the uk early part of last century, they’re children who traveled with them were never given British citizenship, and now they are being excluded from some commonwealth celebrations (some of this might be wrong)

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By *s_bettyboopWoman
over a year ago

-3

Its all explained here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43782241

My dad could be at risk from this, came here from Barbados with his parents when he was small. Never got a passport and does not have citizenship,but has worked for the council all his life, paid taxes and now retired.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Maybe better in politics?

It's an ongoing situation where we are frightening and treating people without respect. People who have been here for decades, have no other established homes, yet are being denied services and deported or being threatened. Sickening. "

This..

And when you have the Home Secretary of the day saying she will ask the High Commissioners of the various countries how many her department has or may have deported its a complete shambles..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Its all explained here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43782241

My dad could be at risk from this, came here from Barbados with his parents when he was small. Never got a passport and does not have citizenship,but has worked for the council all his life, paid taxes and now retired. "

Get him to get the paperwork sorted now. Promises today may not be honoured tomorrow.

I'm grateful my Dad decided not to believe the promises. He handed us our papers when we left home with the instruction to never lose them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think Windrush was a ship which brought lots of migrants to the uk early part of last century, they’re children who traveled with them were never given British citizenship, and now they are being excluded from some commonwealth celebrations (some of this might be wrong)"

Its life changing... Go and look on news sites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been reading some of the stories. It's heart breaking and ridiculous.

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

Its shameful that they had came here and help build the county to what it is today. The crap they had to put up with and this is how we treat these people.

I listened to a phone-in on LBC earlier and the story's of the way they are treated beggars belief. This side of being a native Brit shames me. We are and deserve better than this, and those affected deserve the same and some.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I've been reading some of the stories. It's heart breaking and ridiculous. "

When I started hearing some of the stories last year I kept being told that they were blips and one-offs and it would be sorted. Then I heard about people being sent to detention centres and was told that they must have done something wrong.

Proving who you are isn't that easy if you live a simple life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Utterly heartbreaking. Imagine being told, after 50+ years in the UK, that you’re not a real citizen and may have to leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been reading some of the stories. It's heart breaking and ridiculous.

When I started hearing some of the stories last year I kept being told that they were blips and one-offs and it would be sorted. Then I heard about people being sent to detention centres and was told that they must have done something wrong.

Proving who you are isn't that easy if you live a simple life."

Absolutely! One offs, blips, anomalies. And yet, we are seeing increasing numbers in this situation at work. Not a blip. Not easy to resolve. Not much to be done in limbo. And of course when you end up on the streets after the downward spiral of no longer being entitled to work, to benefits, to help then even foodbanks aren’t much good as you’ve nowhere to take a few days worth of tinned goods or the means to transport it around everywhere. And so on.

This government and those that voted for them have a lot to answer for.

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk


"I've been reading some of the stories. It's heart breaking and ridiculous.

When I started hearing some of the stories last year I kept being told that they were blips and one-offs and it would be sorted. Then I heard about people being sent to detention centres and was told that they must have done something wrong.

Proving who you are isn't that easy if you live a simple life."

this...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure what sickens me more, that this had been allowed to happen or that the Hone Office cant say how many people have been deported as a result.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Sounds like a Civil Service cock up to me. Not very civil.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. "
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Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More of an issue with an out dated bureaucratic system unfit for purpose being controlled and scrutinised by people that really just don't care.

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By *s_bettyboopWoman
over a year ago

-3


"Its all explained here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43782241

My dad could be at risk from this, came here from Barbados with his parents when he was small. Never got a passport and does not have citizenship,but has worked for the council all his life, paid taxes and now retired.

Get him to get the paperwork sorted now. Promises today may not be honoured tomorrow.

I'm grateful my Dad decided not to believe the promises. He handed us our papers when we left home with the instruction to never lose them.

"

We tried to get him to sort it a few years ago and that was just trying to get his birth certificate. A family friend went to Barbados and managed to get it after much searching as the officials had spelt his surname different!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation "

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies."
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My attitude is great

I don't vote and even if I did which party had a manifesto to solve this particular problem?.

Policies, like I said at the beginning I didn't have anything to do with it so why say "we" should be ashamed.

The people who had anything to do with it like I said civil servants and politicians on big fat pensions maybe have something to be ashamed about but as usual people like me and everybody else who had fuck all to do with it will foot the bill, maybe we should be ashamed about that for a change

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies..

My attitude is great

I don't vote and even if I did which party had a manifesto to solve this particular problem?.

Policies, like I said at the beginning I didn't have anything to do with it so why say "we" should be ashamed.

The people who had anything to do with it like I said civil servants and politicians on big fat pensions maybe have something to be ashamed about but as usual people like me and everybody else who had fuck all to do with it will foot the bill, maybe we should be ashamed about that for a change"

Sadly though the public vote these people in, either directly or as part of a department that ultimately is run by people chosen by said people following rules made by governments of all hues...

Thus why lots of people feel shame and the bitter taste their decisions have left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies..

My attitude is great

I don't vote and even if I did which party had a manifesto to solve this particular problem?.

Policies, like I said at the beginning I didn't have anything to do with it so why say "we" should be ashamed.

The people who had anything to do with it like I said civil servants and politicians on big fat pensions maybe have something to be ashamed about but as usual people like me and everybody else who had fuck all to do with it will foot the bill, maybe we should be ashamed about that for a change

Sadly though the public vote these people in, either directly or as part of a department that ultimately is run by people chosen by said people following rules made by governments of all hues...

Thus why lots of people feel shame and the bitter taste their decisions have left."
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I wouldn't, I don't think anybody voted any party in to fuck things up, in fact it's the opposite, people are under some crazy notion that the people they vote will make things errr better .

You can feel sympathy, outrage, anger and compassion but there's absolutely no shame on the vast populations part.

It would seem that every government since 1947 has managed to botch this task and yet more botching on top of botching is taking place and of course we're all paying for this botched job which will as always carry compensation which we'll all pay for again.

I can't think of any industry except the civil service and politics that get away with such gross incompetence while continuing employment, pension and wage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies..

My attitude is great

I don't vote and even if I did which party had a manifesto to solve this particular problem?.

Policies, like I said at the beginning I didn't have anything to do with it so why say "we" should be ashamed.

The people who had anything to do with it like I said civil servants and politicians on big fat pensions maybe have something to be ashamed about but as usual people like me and everybody else who had fuck all to do with it will foot the bill, maybe we should be ashamed about that for a change"

If you don’t vote then you are part of the problem, IMO. And I’d also posit the notion that some of the attitudes and issues bringing us to this current situation are as a result of certain parties...so again, not voting is allowing a vote for those parties to get traction and voice.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Its all explained here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43782241

My dad could be at risk from this, came here from Barbados with his parents when he was small. Never got a passport and does not have citizenship,but has worked for the council all his life, paid taxes and now retired.

Get him to get the paperwork sorted now. Promises today may not be honoured tomorrow.

I'm grateful my Dad decided not to believe the promises. He handed us our papers when we left home with the instruction to never lose them.

We tried to get him to sort it a few years ago and that was just trying to get his birth certificate. A family friend went to Barbados and managed to get it after much searching as the officials had spelt his surname different! "

That's not unusual but it does add an extra hurdle to the whole process. I really hope you can get it sorted soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been reading some of the stories. It's heart breaking and ridiculous.

When I started hearing some of the stories last year I kept being told that they were blips and one-offs and it would be sorted. Then I heard about people being sent to detention centres and was told that they must have done something wrong.

Proving who you are isn't that easy if you live a simple life."

They have paid tax for years, that in itself should be proof.

They can't prove who they are because the Government decided to bin said proof.

Now they are arguing over who was liable for it.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth. "

The Home Secretary at the time didn't think the paperwork was necessary. The Prime Minister has had to apologise for it now.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Sounds like a Civil Service cock up to me. Not very civil..... "

nothing to do with us civil servants.....

blame a then home secretary who took out the protection clause in the immigration act which gave these people leave to remain...

hmmm... wonder where "she" is now......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth. "

that is because as part of the 1971 immigration act... all commonwealth people here before then were given indefinate leave to remain....

it was that clause that was removed in the 2014 act......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth.

that is because as part of the 1971 immigration act... all commonwealth people here before then were given indefinate leave to remain....

it was that clause that was removed in the 2014 act...... "

They're keeping that little nugget quiet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was reading about a man declined for cancer treatment because he couldn't prove he had the right to treatment.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I was reading about a man declined for cancer treatment because he couldn't prove he had the right to treatment. "

There are other stories like this.

I've been carrying my NHS card since the anti-migrant, more hostile government directives.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth.

that is because as part of the 1971 immigration act... all commonwealth people here before then were given indefinate leave to remain....

it was that clause that was removed in the 2014 act...... "

I’d like to see the posts from Conservatives on here defending that nasty little trick.

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Why did Labour decide to destroy the papers in the first place.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Why did Labour decide to destroy the papers in the first place. "
because they had no intention of sending anyone back, therefore their arrival papers were deemed unnecessary. A better question to ask and answer would be, why did the Conservatives actually destroy the papers? Labour didn’t.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Why did Labour decide to destroy the papers in the first place. "

They didn't. The Border Agency made the case in 2009 to have them destroyed but the decision was taken after the Coalition came into power.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

While it is a nightmare for someone caught up in this, I wonder how many people are actually effected?

One person would be one too many but how many who came on their parent's passports would be in that terrible situation now?

It may be thousands or a relatively few.

And on the subject of the landing cards, I am willing to bet that no politicians had any input whatsoever in their disposal. It was more likely a general spring clean by civil servants of what were perceived to be unnecessary records.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"While it is a nightmare for someone caught up in this, I wonder how many people are actually effected?

One person would be one too many but how many who came on their parent's passports would be in that terrible situation now?

It may be thousands or a relatively few.

And on the subject of the landing cards, I am willing to bet that no politicians had any input whatsoever in their disposal. It was more likely a general spring clean by civil servants of what were perceived to be unnecessary records."

Potentially thousands of us could be affected. 1947 to 1971 is a long time.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The Conservatives say that the decision to destroy the papers was taken in 2009 when Labour was in office. So why, then, was the decision not taken in 2010, when the Conservatives were in power to stop the process of destroying the papers. Labours idea but the Conservatives carried it out. Labour destroyed the papers with no intention of sending any of the Windrush people back but the Conservatives certainly had that in mind. They weren’t even illegal immigrants, just part of the commonwealth.

that is because as part of the 1971 immigration act... all commonwealth people here before then were given indefinate leave to remain....

it was that clause that was removed in the 2014 act......

I’d like to see the posts from Conservatives on here defending that nasty little trick. "

I’m off to bed - I’ll have a look tomorrow to see if anyone has managed to grub together a cohesive articulate argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just windrush, I have an elderly relative from Ireland who despite being here for an entire tax paying working life, and receiving a pension can't get a UK passport.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It's not just windrush, I have an elderly relative from Ireland who despite being here for an entire tax paying working life, and receiving a pension can't get a UK passport. "

I do think this will make others look at their assumptions about their right to be here. It's not surprising that EU nationals are taking up column inches on this.

Children born here to migrants aren't given citizenship at birth (as some think). They need to live here for 10 years and then they can apply for citizenship or leave to remain.

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"Why did Labour decide to destroy the papers in the first place.

They didn't. The Border Agency made the case in 2009 to have them destroyed but the decision was taken after the Coalition came into power.

"

Cheers for clearing that up,other posts were unclear.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"

Potentially thousands of us could be affected. 1947 to 1971 is a long time.

"

Yes but how many have not applied for a passport or cannot show their residence status here? I am guessing that some may have been regularly employed and even worked by the civil service, others were registered with an NHS GP, paid tax as an employee, claimed benefits as needs must, paid into pension schemes.

I understand that some may have lost their jobs because of this fiasco....ironically being employed here for decades. The issue isn't that they should not be working but the uncertainty over their status may have caused job losses in some cases.

Again, while you say it may effect thousands, we cannot be sure although one person effected is one too many.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Why did Labour decide to destroy the papers in the first place.

They didn't. The Border Agency made the case in 2009 to have them destroyed but the decision was taken after the Coalition came into power.

Cheers for clearing that up,other posts were unclear."

It's OK. The Prime Minister is blaming Labour for it too, so it's easy to get confused. When she starts blaming the Home Secretary at the time it will become surreal.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Potentially thousands of us could be affected. 1947 to 1971 is a long time.

Yes but how many have not applied for a passport or cannot show their residence status here? I am guessing that some may have been regularly employed and even worked by the civil service, others were registered with an NHS GP, paid tax as an employee, claimed benefits as needs must, paid into pension schemes.

I understand that some may have lost their jobs because of this fiasco....ironically being employed here for decades. The issue isn't that they should not be working but the uncertainty over their status may have caused job losses in some cases.

Again, while you say it may effect thousands, we cannot be sure although one person effected is one too many."

People have had their driving licence removed from them. Someone who worked at the House of Commons was held in detention. People have been evicted. There is plenty of paperwork, just not the sort the Home Office is asking them to provide.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

It is very embarresing and makes me ashamed to be British,I just hope that the wrong is put right and those who have lost jobs etc are very well compensated

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"While it is a nightmare for someone caught up in this, I wonder how many people are actually effected?

"

the answer to this could potentially be in the "tens to hundreds of thousands.."

the issues highlighted so far have come from the caribbean community.... because they were in the first waves to come here in the 50's and 60's......

i think you are also going to hear more and more cases from the indian and pakistani communities as well.. as they were in the 2nd wave of people the UK invited over....

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The way many thousands of these people have been treated is shocking - warnings to leave the country, denied urgent cancer treatment and one man died, after the threats to leave. It's inhumane and I feel so sad for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I reiterate, we are already seeing many ending up on the streets through the knock-on effect of this already (I’m London based) and immigration legal support is not provided freely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"While it is a nightmare for someone caught up in this, I wonder how many people are actually effected?

the answer to this could potentially be in the "tens to hundreds of thousands.."

the issues highlighted so far have come from the caribbean community.... because they were in the first waves to come here in the 50's and 60's......

i think you are also going to hear more and more cases from the indian and pakistani communities as well.. as they were in the 2nd wave of people the UK invited over.... "

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

No arguments for then......the silence form the conservatives is deafening.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"No arguments for then......the silence form the conservatives is deafening. "

There again, anyone with a modicum of intelligence will be able to see that an attempt to defend the indefensible is an exercise in futility.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties.

And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame.

The Guardian have been campaigning about this for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties.

And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame.

The Guardian have been campaigning about this for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'."

Well said.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties.

And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame.

The Guardian have been campaigning about this for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'."

This..

As with the failures in fire safety legislation started in 05 that massively contributed to Grenville this is a cross party issue..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties.

And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame.

The Guardian have been campaigning about this for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'."

There is not much I ever agree with you politically but you are absolutely spot on here.... and for that I give you a

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over a year ago


"People have had their lives ripped apart and yet nobody even loses their job over this.

I urge anyone who hasn't already done so to read some of the personal stories. This is happening in the UK today.

We should be ashamed. .

Why,I didn't have anything to do with it!.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a nice fat civil service pension coming to me I'd be willing to hold my hand up and let everybody who didn't have anything to do with foot my pension and any compensation

The hostility to migrants didn't start and doesn't end with the civil service. Attitudes, votes and policies..

My attitude is great

I don't vote and even if I did which party had a manifesto to solve this particular problem?.

Policies, like I said at the beginning I didn't have anything to do with it so why say "we" should be ashamed.

The people who had anything to do with it like I said civil servants and politicians on big fat pensions maybe have something to be ashamed about but as usual people like me and everybody else who had fuck all to do with it will foot the bill, maybe we should be ashamed about that for a change

If you don’t vote then you are part of the problem, IMO. And I’d also posit the notion that some of the attitudes and issues bringing us to this current situation are as a result of certain parties...so again, not voting is allowing a vote for those parties to get traction and voice. "
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No that's just the typical reaction of somebody who votes looking to blame people who don't vote!.

Your looking in the wrong place, the blame lies with civil servants and politicians none of which were voted in or given employment on the basis of fucking things up?.

I have no idea what your insinuating in your last paragraph though so can't reply on it??

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

There will be protests and demonstrations coming up over the next few weeks if people are interested. Pressure must be consistent to make sure that the government push through on their promises and that those at fault step down.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"Symptomatic of a general hostility to immigrants?

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To answer your question OP...yes.

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