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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I generally roll my eyes at conspiracy theories but when you hear that more than 80 holistic and alternative health doctors and scientists across the world have been murdered, committed 'suicide' or died under mysterious circumstances since 2015 it makes you wonder.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen


" it makes you wonder."

No it doesn't

There is no conspiracy afoot. Instead, there are simply individual tragedies that have been inelegantly strung together by an alternative health website whose not-so-subtle innuendo has subsequently echoed through the darkest and most paranoid corners of the internet — and which has begun to leak into mainstream media outlets as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people dies everyday of the same circumstances. It may be just a coincidence. Now if they were threaten before that's another story.

It reminds me this chinese movie called 'Accident' where a team of people were paid to kill ppl but they needed to make it look like an accident. As soon as some member of the team died in 'accident' the leader went into a paranoid mode !!

Very good movie !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That’s a relatively low number compared to the stories I’m constantly reading about people dying because their naturopaths have been prescribing essential oils for cancer, meningitis and more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there treatments were that good if they committed suicide?.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

Maybe consider that many a number of them may have been killed by patients that were sold miracle cures that weren't..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt. "

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others... "
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Or in this case less strong maybe.

It's your immune system causing the cancer as a reaction to outside influences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others... .

Or in this case less strong maybe.

It's your immune system causing the cancer as a reaction to outside influences"

Oh okay I see my mistake

But I meant when it was removed... The body may have reacted better to recover without chemo

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others... .

Or in this case less strong maybe.

It's your immune system causing the cancer as a reaction to outside influences

Oh okay I see my mistake

But I meant when it was removed... The body may have reacted better to recover without chemo"

Exactly.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

Someone once said there's no such thing as alternative medicine. Only medicine that has been proven to work and medicine that hasn't.

If all the crank remedies were shown to work, I have no doubt the pharma companies would be developing them, not bumping off people.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"homeopathic vaccines"

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

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By *iercedItMan
over a year ago

North West

5 of my friends from an alternative website all died in a 3 yr, all had tattooes and piercings, and were subversive, I'm thinking globe trotting serial killer who doesn't like alt people :p

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better."

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago."

Just out of curiosity, what do you do? Are you a doctor of any description? I’m curious

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do? Are you a doctor of any description? I’m curious "

Of course not, but that doesn't mean i don't know what works best for me.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

There’s huge numbers of things that happen which go against the grain - some people don’t take anti-malarial and don’t get malaria

Some people smoke and live until they are 90

Some people don’t look when they cross the road and survive

None of those means that would work for everyone as for every one that gets away with it there may be hundreds dead who didn’t

That’s why trials involving hundreds if not thousands are usually done to try and see a true effect rather than a chance occurrence in a single or handful of people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do? Are you a doctor of any description? I’m curious

Of course not, but that doesn't mean i don't know what works best for me. "

Ahh I see, better than medical professionals with years of education and experience.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

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Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do? Are you a doctor of any description? I’m curious

Of course not, but that doesn't mean i don't know what works best for me.

Ahh I see, better than medical professionals with years of education and experience. "

When all they want to do is stitch you up and pump you full of antibiotics? Definitely.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I think it's a good idea not to blindly follow the medical professions advice but its also a good idea not to disregard it completely.

I'm happy to live in a country free of smallpox and polio and before I spent some time in rural southern India I happily had every vaccination recommended including Hep A.

However having received conflicting advice from two doctors at the same surgery I chose to sort the problem out myself.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"Someone once said there's no such thing as alternative medicine. Only medicine that has been proven to work and medicine that hasn't. "

This, and what others have said. Let’s not forget that alternative medicine providers are in it for the money too.

There was a big crash on the motorway last week, people injured and looking into the eyes of the grim reaper. I didn’t hear any of them shout “Help, fetch my aromatherapist!”

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By *agermeisterMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"That’s a relatively low number compared to the stories I’m constantly reading about people dying because their naturopaths have been prescribing essential oils for cancer, meningitis and more. "

Sources please

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Someone once said there's no such thing as alternative medicine. Only medicine that has been proven to work and medicine that hasn't.

This, and what others have said. Let’s not forget that alternative medicine providers are in it for the money too.

There was a big crash on the motorway last week, people injured and looking into the eyes of the grim reaper. I didn’t hear any of them shout “Help, fetch my aromatherapist!”"

Lol. My mum tried to treat my dad's pneumonia with steam inhalations. Fortunately she saw sense in time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I subscribe to homeopathy and herbalism. I am 49 years old, since the age of 15 i have worked variously in the agricultural, horticultural and forestry sectors; dirty and often dangerous jobs and i've suffered some nasty injuries. In all that time i can guarantee i have not lost more than 10 days work due to ill health - 5 of those were during a 41°c spell of the flu. I do not see GP's nor take antibiotics.

The only time i went to A+E was when i stuck a chisel in my hand and couldn't stop the bleeding. Stitched up i went to work the next day only to find the bandages so tight i couldn't close my hand so had to take them off. Ironically it was the stitches that became infected not the original wound. On going to the surgery to have them removed i got so fed up with waiting i went home and took them out myself with a pair of side cutters. Speaking from experience i really don't think modern medicine is all that.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Someone once said there's no such thing as alternative medicine. Only medicine that has been proven to work and medicine that hasn't.

This, and what others have said. Let’s not forget that alternative medicine providers are in it for the money too.

There was a big crash on the motorway last week, people injured and looking into the eyes of the grim reaper. I didn’t hear any of them shout “Help, fetch my aromatherapist!”"

A similar thing applies to religion . God theoretically can do anything, but you rarely see religious people refusing medical attention when they are injured because they know God will sort it.

It seems to me that there are things people really believe and things they believe only in a theoretical sense.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing."

We've survived 200,000 years of evolution without it.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing.

We've survived 200,000 years of evolution without it."

We'll that's OK then. Average like expectancy used to be around thirty because loads of people died of diseases which medical science has now worked out how to treat.

Still, doctors, who needs em?

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing.

We've survived 200,000 years of evolution without it."

I agree, but 200,000 years ago the average life expectancy was about 35 and even 100 years ago the infant mortality rate was much higher than today.

I’m not disputing that some Doctor’s just want you out of their surgery in the allocated 8 minutes and are so rushed they have to piss in their sink, but that’s a fault of targets, underfunding and human error rather than scientific medicine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I generally roll my eyes at conspiracy theories but when you hear that more than 80 holistic and alternative health doctors and scientists across the world have been murdered, committed 'suicide' or died under mysterious circumstances since 2015 it makes you wonder."

When you consider there were 35,473 suspicious deaths reported to the uk coroners office in 2015 of which there were 4,820 suicides and 574 murders which leaves in excess of 30,000 'others' in what is still essentially a small country. Saying 80 deaths worldwide (albeit from similar backgrounds) is some sort of horrendous conspiracy is an absolutely ludicrous statement that shows the stupendous stupidity of certain areas of the media in part and that of conspiracy theorists in general.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you know what they call alternative medicine when it's proven to work.

It's called medicine.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

80 does not seem a lot to me considering how many people are in the world.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Do you know what they call alternative medicine when it's proven to work.

It's called medicine. "

Pink, I've said that

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing.

We've survived 200,000 years of evolution without it.

I agree, but 200,000 years ago the average life expectancy was about 35 and even 100 years ago the infant mortality rate was much higher than today.

I’m not disputing that some Doctor’s just want you out of their surgery in the allocated 8 minutes and are so rushed they have to piss in their sink, but that’s a fault of targets, underfunding and human error rather than scientific medicine."

The biggest single factor that has incrrased survival rates has been the improvement in hygiene standards and the introduction of clean drinking water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects."

Another 'Because its the far east it must be a mystical cure'...

In fact its been known and proven here for a while now that sufferers of diabetes can become non diabetic by changing diet and other lifestyle factors and a lot of medical professionals advocate such changes for their patients.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects."

There was something similar on in the UK where a personal trainer and dietitian did the same amazing work. I think the common fact is that most people want a pill than to do the effort of changing their lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result. "

I'd say what your eldest son did was stupid. And he got lucky. But I would bet my all, if had come back to the UK with one of the horrific diseases he luckily managed to avoid, you would have had him into an nhs hospital as quick as possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result.

I'd say what your eldest son did was stupid. And he got lucky. But I would bet my all, if had come back to the UK with one of the horrific diseases he luckily managed to avoid, you would have had him into an nhs hospital as quick as possible "

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects."

Actually conventional medicine treats type 2 diabetes in exactly the same way.

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes aged 34. In the (almost) 9 years since diagnosis I have always controlled my diabetes through lifestyle changes, diet and exercise and have no need for medications.

Most doctors will only prescribe medications and/or insulin for type 2 diabetes if the patient can't get their blind sugar levels under control this way. Sadly, many people are unwilling to make the changes needed and would much rather just take the tablets and carry on with their unhealthy lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wanna read later

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it. "

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result.

I'd say what your eldest son did was stupid. And he got lucky. But I would bet my all, if had come back to the UK with one of the horrific diseases he luckily managed to avoid, you would have had him into an nhs hospital as quick as possible

This."

But we'll never know because you'll never try it.

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By *FFB69Woman
over a year ago

Torfaen/Gwent


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it. "

It is. It’s also interesting when you look into why those things are listed on the inserts, not the “back of your pills”. Many things are reported as side effects of medication. If it happens even once to someone taking it, it can be listed as a side effect. It does not mean it “causes” it.

It’s not a massive leap to think that someone taking pills for depression may commit suicide or that someone with epilepsy may have a fit.

ADHD is not an illness so not sure the relevance of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result.

I'd say what your eldest son did was stupid. And he got lucky. But I would bet my all, if had come back to the UK with one of the horrific diseases he luckily managed to avoid, you would have had him into an nhs hospital as quick as possible

This.

But we'll never know because you'll never try it."

Plus, what you call stupid others might simply call informed.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it. "

Katie is a doctor. I can assure you that neither she nor any other doctor gets paid for handing out drugs.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

What always gets me on threads like this is the people with no medical qualifications but who have read something on the Internet think they know better than people who have gone through years of rigorous medical training.

Still, I suppose all the doctors are part of the conspiracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result.

I'd say what your eldest son did was stupid. And he got lucky. But I would bet my all, if had come back to the UK with one of the horrific diseases he luckily managed to avoid, you would have had him into an nhs hospital as quick as possible

This.

But we'll never know because you'll never try it.

Plus, what you call stupid others might simply call informed."

Well I prefer my information to come from evidence-based medical research. Not quack rumours and anecdotes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me! "

I really pleased to hear that. I think part of the problem with alternative therapies is that they sound ridiculous, your turmeric for example or taking a table spoon of apple cider vinegar against arthritis. Thing is you have to keep an open mind and at least try it before you criticise. As for the rest they can keep blindly popping their tablets and suffering the side effects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me! "

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

If an alternative medicine works for you then i see no harm in using it. However its very dangerous to suggest that all conditions can be treated like that.

I for one am extremely grateful to have found a balance of medication that keeps me stable and able to function as a normal human being. Without my meds.... well lets just say its not a good place to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to work at the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine through my work with UCLH. We saw lots of patients having homeopathic treatments alongside conventional medicine. It works in alleviating symptoms for a lot of people. Acupuncture is still available via the NHS for pain due to the large clinical trials.

I don’t think it can be solely relied upon, and obviously the placebo effect should be noted, but seeing treatments like Iscador Therapy, which is mistletoe being used for bladder cancer alongside chemotherapy is positive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read somewhere quite recently that chemo is practically useless and they only use it to make money for the companies who make it.

I'm going to see if I can find it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!"

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

"

I have a malabsorption condition and would get tonsillitis on a monthly basis, constant colds, etc. I started taking turmeric for my immune system, and I haven’t had tonsillitis since. I’ve had one cold, but nothing like how I normally am.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"Katie is a doctor. I can assure you that neither she nor any other doctor gets paid for handing out drugs. "

I'll confirm that, and doctors generally don't 'pump children full of medicine'.

On the subject of vaccinations, anyone ever visited a village where every single child under the age of six had died from measles?

It's quite sobering and puts the use of vaccines into perspective.

Sanitation, clean drinking water, control of environmental exposures and workplace safety, as well as vaccinations, are largely responsible for increased life expectancy.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"

I agree, but 200,000 years ago the average life expectancy was about 35 and even 100 years ago the infant mortality rate was much higher than today.

"

Let's go back just 130,000 years to the Neanderthals.

Studies of fossil remains from 768 individuals demonstrated that there were just four adults past the age of 30 for every 10 young adults.

The average life expectancy was between 15 and 30.

Source: Rachel Caspari (Anthropologist) as I get banned when I post links to scientific journals.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"Plus my eldest son went travelling to South East Asia in his early 20's with nothing more than homeopathic vaccines and has suffered no ill effect as a result. "

Well done him although, having diagnosed people returning to the UK with malaria, I think it's not a very bright thing to do:

1616 cases of imported malaria in 2016 with 6 deaths.

Given the 'low' numbers in hundreds of thousands of travellers, maybe it's homeopathic?

But, unless you ask people who are ill and have a fever if they have been abroad, you tend to miss cases and they may be the ones that die.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I read somewhere quite recently that chemo is practically useless and they only use it to make money for the companies who make it.

I'm going to see if I can find it again. "
Don’t go to any bother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read somewhere quite recently that chemo is practically useless and they only use it to make money for the companies who make it.

I'm going to see if I can find it again. "

It works, saved me twice now. But it is a sledge hammer approach that does do harm. But a lot less people die from cancer because of it, and the extreme care with which it is used.

Dr Google is a dangerous tool often in the hands of people who don't have a clue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also average life span must be dropping...

Most now live to late 80's or 90's but infant death, death in childbirth and many other early deaths are prevented. And the old testament stated a life span was 70 years so the average should be well over 100 by now to mathematically balance that, wonder what is killing us off... think I will go for a drive and leave my lights on while I think about it

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I’ve been messing about with old cars since the same age as you and despite many open wounds filled with oil, metal filings and leaded petrol I never had a day off sick either.

Doesn’t prove or disprove that any form of medicine works, it just means we’re tough against this sort of thing.

We've survived 200,000 years of evolution without it.

I agree, but 200,000 years ago the average life expectancy was about 35 and even 100 years ago the infant mortality rate was much higher than today.

I’m not disputing that some Doctor’s just want you out of their surgery in the allocated 8 minutes and are so rushed they have to piss in their sink, but that’s a fault of targets, underfunding and human error rather than scientific medicine."

I really don't see what evolution has to do with it.

In order to pass on your genes, you have to survive long enough to reproduce.

In humans, biologically (not morally) this can be as young as 14.

Reproductive strategies are also adopted by animals to further their chances of successfully doing so - It is not biologically impossible for humans to reproduce once a year (or less), for example.

So, I think you will find that whilst humanity survived prior to modern medicine, they only had to do so long enough to reproduce, and to compensate for higher infant mortality, they simply had more children and hoped some made to adulthood.

Also - you are more likely to drink a mollecule that used to be part of Oliver Cromwell in a cup of tap water, than you are to imbibe any of the active ingredient in a homeopathic remedy.

You are being sold water.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

"

But, you see - that's called "medicine" not "alternative medicine".

People hypothesise that something works to treat a disease, do trials and if it works, then it is used.

Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years.

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over a year ago

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"My dad smoked 40 a day from the age of 17 until the age of 55 then he stopped. He died at 86 of something unrelated having had no health issues related to smoking.

But smoking IS fucking deadly, of that there is no doubt.

Go figure. Extrapolation of individual or small numbers of cases is meaningless, naive and dangerous."

Yes.

See: Probability. I'm not entirely sure why so many people can't grasp the basic concept of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes.

See: Probability. I'm not entirely sure why so many people can't grasp the basic concept of it. "

Thanks for reviving. I hit delete accidentally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years. "

Willow bark actually, and it's bloody hard to get a 150mg dosage of it and tastes bloody awful. Little white pill is much better

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years.

Willow bark actually, and it's bloody hard to get a 150mg dosage of it and tastes bloody awful. Little white pill is much better "

I don't dispute that - also it's not quite the same stuff, it gets refined so it is more effective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

But, you see - that's called "medicine" not "alternative medicine".

People hypothesise that something works to treat a disease, do trials and if it works, then it is used.

Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years. "

It’s still classed as homeopathy though. I think many group natural remedies into the category of alternative medicine because it’s not necessarily used in western medicine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects."

Lifestyle and diet will of course have helped and can reverse diabetes... yoga however won’t have lol. It of course can benefit your self wellbeing, but that’s about it lol

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

But, you see - that's called "medicine" not "alternative medicine".

People hypothesise that something works to treat a disease, do trials and if it works, then it is used.

Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years.

It’s still classed as homeopathy though. I think many group natural remedies into the category of alternative medicine because it’s not necessarily used in western medicine. "

No it isn't - homeopathy is a substance diluted to the point that it no longer contains any of the active ingredient, but expects the vibrations of water mollecules to "remember" the shape of it, and through these vibrations your body will get the same effect as the medicine.

The turmeric capsules contain pure turmeric and the reason that it is contained in capsules is that in large quantities it is very bitter - dip the end of a teaspoon in some ground turmeric and lick it to see what I mean.

"Alternative" medicine is so called because there is no proof it works. Ass soon as it is proved to work, it becomes simply "medicine".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others... "

I'm going to assume the lymph nodes weren't affected and the cancer didn't metastasise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

But, you see - that's called "medicine" not "alternative medicine".

People hypothesise that something works to treat a disease, do trials and if it works, then it is used.

Another good example is asprin - precursors to it are found in willow leaves and have been used for hundreds of years.

It’s still classed as homeopathy though. I think many group natural remedies into the category of alternative medicine because it’s not necessarily used in western medicine.

No it isn't - homeopathy is a substance diluted to the point that it no longer contains any of the active ingredient, but expects the vibrations of water mollecules to "remember" the shape of it, and through these vibrations your body will get the same effect as the medicine.

The turmeric capsules contain pure turmeric and the reason that it is contained in capsules is that in large quantities it is very bitter - dip the end of a teaspoon in some ground turmeric and lick it to see what I mean.

"Alternative" medicine is so called because there is no proof it works. Ass soon as it is proved to work, it becomes simply "medicine".

"

The use of natural remedies & some Eastern medicine is still classed as homeopathic medicine & complimentary therapies within the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear what you're all saying and you're probably right but when you couple this with the fact that i have an elderly male relative that has been living with breast cancer for the last 15 years (way beyond his predicted life expectancy) with no alopathic treatment of any kind and a female friend with breast cancer who had the tumour surgically removed some years ago but refused chemotherapy and is still in good health it does fill me with doubt.

And I definitely could understand why.

But in order to generalise, a larger sample is needed.

Maybe their immune systems were better than some others... .

Or in this case less strong maybe.

It's your immune system causing the cancer as a reaction to outside influences"

Huh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"homeopathic vaccines

.

Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now. Homeopathic vaccines? Water that somehow has a ‘memory’ of a single drop in the ocean, but doesn’t ‘remember’ all the disease causing shit that’s been in it. The sooner this sort of toxic ignorance is erradicated, the better.

Yet you can't ignore empirical evidence, i myself prefer to self medicate rather than see a GP. If what the health professionals say is true i should have died of sepsis years ago.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do? Are you a doctor of any description? I’m curious

Of course not, but that doesn't mean i don't know what works best for me.

Ahh I see, better than medical professionals with years of education and experience. "

Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves.

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over a year ago


"I subscribe to homeopathy and herbalism. I am 49 years old, since the age of 15 i have worked variously in the agricultural, horticultural and forestry sectors; dirty and often dangerous jobs and i've suffered some nasty injuries. In all that time i can guarantee i have not lost more than 10 days work due to ill health - 5 of those were during a 41°c spell of the flu. I do not see GP's nor take antibiotics.

The only time i went to A+E was when i stuck a chisel in my hand and couldn't stop the bleeding. Stitched up i went to work the next day only to find the bandages so tight i couldn't close my hand so had to take them off. Ironically it was the stitches that became infected not the original wound. On going to the surgery to have them removed i got so fed up with waiting i went home and took them out myself with a pair of side cutters. Speaking from experience i really don't think modern medicine is all that."

Stitches got infected, ermmm ok then .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves"

I am not...

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over a year ago


"There was a documentary on tv a short while ago featuring a retreat in Thailand. One of patients there was from the west and was a long term sufferer of diabetes. His condition was completely cured with a change of lifestyle, diet and yoga. The local alopathic doctor couldn't understand how this was possible. Modern alopathic practice would have had him taking insulin for the rest of his life, not to mention the accompanying side effects."

Which diabetes?

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over a year ago


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind."

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS."

Just chronic back pain now. They used to be able to use it for much more, like migraines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves

I am not... "

You don't know yourself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS.

Just chronic back pain now. They used to be able to use it for much more, like migraines. "

Migraines, tamoxifen induced hot flushes, neuropathic pain (not lower back pain). You'll find it depends on the CCG.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?"

Nope, hardly noticed my resting pulse was 4x faster than it should be, or that my liver was screwed hell I had a broken wrist for 3 days before I went to A&E to get it sorted.

If I am not bleeding then I seldom know I am ill.

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By *afadaoMan
over a year ago

Staines


"The only time i went to A+E was when i stuck a chisel in my hand and couldn't stop the bleeding. Stitched up i went to work the next day only to find the bandages so tight i couldn't close my hand so had to take them off. Ironically it was the stitches that became infected not the original wound. On going to the surgery to have them removed i got so fed up with waiting i went home and took them out myself with a pair of side cutters. Speaking from experience i really don't think modern medicine is all that."

When my uncle had his heart attack, we took him down the hospital. I had to do the x-rays myself. Well, he only had two hearts didn’t he?

Doctors said he’d be dead within three weeks. The very next year he won Wimbledon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doctors (should) listen to patients as some are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?

Nope, hardly noticed my resting pulse was 4x faster than it should be, or that my liver was screwed hell I had a broken wrist for 3 days before I went to A&E to get it sorted.

If I am not bleeding then I seldom know I am ill."

I've altered my statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS.

Just chronic back pain now. They used to be able to use it for much more, like migraines.

Migraines, tamoxifen induced hot flushes, neuropathic pain (not lower back pain). You'll find it depends on the CCG."

Most London-based CCGs are now making it only available through individual funding requests too, which rarely get good results.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?"

Nor do I.

I nearly killed myself with Ulcerative Colitis before I went to the doctors - I thought it was probably piles and would probably go away in the end.

In fact, I've heard a vet say that because animals can't speak, they are checked more thoroughly than humans. I always try to avoid muddying the waters with doctors I show them my symptoms and try to answer any questions as objectively as I can.

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"Doctors (should) listen to patients as some are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?

Nope, hardly noticed my resting pulse was 4x faster than it should be, or that my liver was screwed hell I had a broken wrist for 3 days before I went to A&E to get it sorted.

If I am not bleeding then I seldom know I am ill.

I've altered my statement "

Thank you for using 'some' instead of non-numpty's

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"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS.

Just chronic back pain now. They used to be able to use it for much more, like migraines.

Migraines, tamoxifen induced hot flushes, neuropathic pain (not lower back pain). You'll find it depends on the CCG.

Most London-based CCGs are now making it only available through individual funding requests too, which rarely get good results. "

CCGs make everything more of a postcode lottery. Some changes and differences make me sad or extremely angry.

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"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?

Nor do I.

I nearly killed myself with Ulcerative Colitis before I went to the doctors - I thought it was probably piles and would probably go away in the end.

In fact, I've heard a vet say that because animals can't speak, they are checked more thoroughly than humans. I always try to avoid muddying the waters with doctors I show them my symptoms and try to answer any questions as objectively as I can. "

Expert patients is not a concept of diagnosing your own issues, it's more of a partnership between patient and healthcare providers.

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"It all comes down to money! Doctors get paid for handling out pharmacy drugs. Not alternative vitamins or medicine.

Cbd oil is known to help with a range of illnesses, but it’s cheap to make. Many people would lose money especially big drug companies.

Watch what the health an see people come off medication by diet.

Kids today are pumped with medication! In our house we take no medication we have auto immune, adhd epilepsy etc etc an we never get sick. We’re ment to have flu jabs we’ve never had them.

Read the back of your pills most anti depressants cause suiside, most anti fit medication cause fits. Most people are fine on medication. We are highly sensitive to the side effects so take none. It is an interesting subject once you get into it.

I know many people who regularly take cbd oil and all claim to have experienced remarkable improvements to their health way beyond that of alopathic medicine. I believe there is sufficient empirical evidence to support tbe efficacy of alternative therapies that people should at least keel an open mind.

The NHS runs on evidence based practice. Acupuncture is available in some locations for certain ailments on NHS.

Just chronic back pain now. They used to be able to use it for much more, like migraines.

Migraines, tamoxifen induced hot flushes, neuropathic pain (not lower back pain). You'll find it depends on the CCG.

Most London-based CCGs are now making it only available through individual funding requests too, which rarely get good results.

CCGs make everything more of a postcode lottery. Some changes and differences make me sad or extremely angry."

Me too. I don’t miss having to deal with them.

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"Doctors (should) listen to patients as they are experts in themselves

I am not...

You don't know yourself?

Nor do I.

I nearly killed myself with Ulcerative Colitis before I went to the doctors - I thought it was probably piles and would probably go away in the end.

In fact, I've heard a vet say that because animals can't speak, they are checked more thoroughly than humans. I always try to avoid muddying the waters with doctors I show them my symptoms and try to answer any questions as objectively as I can.

Expert patients is not a concept of diagnosing your own issues, it's more of a partnership between patient and healthcare providers."

To continue: Once a patient is diagnosed, they often become experts in how the disease relates to them, what improves it, what makes it worse.

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I went to the doctor's once, I said I get really anxious while in there.

He said I've got some bad news for you I'm afraid.

I said break it to me gently my anxiety is getting up.

He said ok knock knock

Who's there I said with my anxiety dropping away.

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Herpes!

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"From my own experience with Crohn’s disease I’ve had all sorts of pills given to me to try get things under control.

I’ve had intensive steroid treatment which completely fucks your body up, I’ve had anti inflammatory tablets, calcium tablets to counteract the steroids. Immunosuppressive tablets to try get things under control.

Spent the best part of around 15 months in full flare up mode. Taking 18 pills a day to try and control it and it failed miserably.

A few weeks back I read about tumeric, so went and bought some tumeric capsules.

Within a week things were under control and I’ve been in the best state of health for over a year.

I still take the immunosuppressants but I take two of them per day and two tumeric tablets.

For a simple spice......it’s worked wonders for me!

Turmeric is anazing. There are actually clinical trials done via cancer research about it!

I’m so pleased with it so far, the steroids worked the first time but they wrecked me. And didn’t do anything the second time. The standard anti inflammatory tablets don’t really do much. Despite trying a 4.8g dose per day.

The immunosuppressants started to work a little bit after around 6 months.

But the tumeric has been the best so far! It’s just a bit expensive in capsule form, especially the higher dose ones.

"

Try making Turmeric Tea or as its known 'Golden Milk' instead of the capsules.

2 cups milk

(almond, pecan, coconut or dairy)

1 tsp turmeric

½ tsp cinnamon powder

pinch of ground black pepper

¼ tsp ginger powder

pinch of cayenne pepper

1 honey or maple syrup to taste (optional)

Mix all the ingredients and heat until hot but not boiling and drink while still warm

This is apparently sworn by by most indian 'grannies' and is used daily by a lot of them.

Bit more effort to make than taking capsules but probably cheaper and certainly a lot nicer.

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