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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Gone through the school and uni system getting alright qualifications and now have a good job.

looking back ive realised that none of my qualifications were really needed or helpful and i was interested if you guys have had the same experience?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They matter. Despite having a university degree and much trade training and accreditation, in my mid 30's I was told I couldn't even apply for a job as I only had a low grade in English O Level.

I seriously had to go to a private college and take the exam again, and that was for a job as an algorithm programmer.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Gone through the school and uni system getting alright qualifications and now have a good job.

looking back ive realised that none of my qualifications were really needed or helpful and i was interested if you guys have had the same experience?

"

So you would have your current job without ant qualifications?

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

They certainly help but, in my experience (& from my own situation)you won't get anywhere without some common sense. We've employed people with qualifications as long as your arm but, they are lacking in common sense as a result seem to struggle. Give me life skills & common sense any day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Tricky one. i got it through uni so yes but it wasnt dependent on my qualifications.

I think it depends on the more on the type of job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It depends on the job, I got into management through on the job training, and my ability to actually do the job. But many skilled jobs you do need qualifications x

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Non vocational qualifications only serve to show the employerthat you are capable of studying, retaining and passing an examination on a given topic. Most will ask for maths and English because they demonstrate a basic level of literacy and numeracy.

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By *eady and Willing 9Man
over a year ago

Wherever the party is @


"They certainly help but, in my experience (& from my own situation)you won't get anywhere without some common sense. We've employed people with qualifications as long as your arm but, they are lacking in common sense as a result seem to struggle. Give me life skills & common sense any day. "

Well said!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For someone of my age probably doesn't matter as much as for someone half my age. I'm pretty sure my rather average school qualifications made no difference to me getting my current job.

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By *aenMan
over a year ago

Here and There

They matter to a point and more so early in your career. Once you’ve been working for a few years then career history and proven ability matter more.

I’m not convinced a University degree is now as valuable to the recipient as it once was. Better to carve your own destiny through a vocational education and setup your own business than becoming a corporate wage slave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They shouldn’t, when youve been out of school longer than you were, you should be concidered by what you’ve learned since. IMO

Why is my failed English exam still asked for? Or how I did at It when I’m a joiner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They certainly help but, in my experience (& from my own situation)you won't get anywhere without some common sense. We've employed people with qualifications as long as your arm but, they are lacking in common sense as a result seem to struggle. Give me life skills & common sense any day. "

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

They matter more in your early 20's when they're all you have on your CV to prove you're not a complete moron. Experience starts to become more valuable as you get older though

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Of course they matter.

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

They certainly help in the early years but not so much after a number of years working. How many have used leaving cert or in uk gcse after 30 years of age in thier cv. It doesn’t even figure in my cv just where I schooled. My university qualifications are still thier but aren’t particularly relevant to my current role

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tricky one. i got it through uni so yes but it wasnt dependent on my qualifications.

I think it depends on the more on the type of job."

But you had to have qualifications to go to uni...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to me i have a good job with a lot of perks and im shit hot at it

I left school i only did 2 pointless gcses but i can see advantages of them but school wasnt for me just used my natural gifts and couldnt be happier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a degree, masters, professional exams, vocational studies, management and project management qualifications

Retired in 2014 at 48

Never need to work again

They count ..... if they are Red brick decent qualifications !

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I had this conversation with my Dad the other day . Neither of us have any worthwhile qualifications , and yet we have built up very successful businesses , and are pretty well off . Never had to worry about money . So not necessarily no they may not matter at all .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have a degree, masters, professional exams, vocational studies, management and project management qualifications

Retired in 2014 at 48

Never need to work again

They count ..... if they are Red brick decent qualifications ! "

What did you do if its not too personal a question for on here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They demonstrate the ability to learn and apply knowledge.

If you can't read and lack linguistic skills for starters, then learning all other subjects will be impacted upon?

So of course they matter.

Education is important, but FAB sex is more importanter

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By *hinypants77Man
over a year ago

Leeds

There’s a huge difference between qualifications and education.

You don’t have to have qualifications to be successful but sure sure as hell have to educate yourself. It never stops either. Develop a lifelong learning mentality.

Academic qualifications vary in importance depends on what field you are in. They are are a guide that someone has knowledge and competence in a particular area. Some careers they are essential in others they’re not.

I didn’t even finish school and left without any qualifications. As a mature student I’m due to complete my bachelors degree this year.

As i’ve gotten older I’ve learned to value the power of education. Not the piece of paper but the process of learning. Anybody can learn anything. Just takes the right mindset, discipline and hard work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They matter. Despite having a university degree and much trade training and accreditation, in my mid 30's I was told I couldn't even apply for a job as I only had a low grade in English O Level.

I seriously had to go to a private college and take the exam again, and that was for a job as an algorithm programmer. "

They didnt matter for me as i left school with barely any useable qualifications..then at some point i did an NVQ in business administration which led directly to a career in the civil service..

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"I have a degree, masters, professional exams, vocational studies, management and project management qualifications

Retired in 2014 at 48

Never need to work again

They count ..... if they are Red brick decent qualifications ! "

I left school with nothing to write home about in qualifications, I too could of retired at 50 if I wanted to. All because I used my head when I was younger I am now financially secure. You don't need qualifications to have success.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I have a degree, masters, professional exams, vocational studies, management and project management qualifications

Retired in 2014 at 48

Never need to work again

They count ..... if they are Red brick decent qualifications !

I left school with nothing to write home about in qualifications, I too could of retired at 50 if I wanted to. All because I used my head when I was younger I am now financially secure. You don't need qualifications to have success."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tricky one. i got it through uni so yes but it wasnt dependent on my qualifications.

I think it depends on the more on the type of job.

But you had to have qualifications to go to uni..."

I didn't.. i will be completing a bachelors degree this year through the OU, which attracted me because entry requirement was time rather than A levels (which i never took)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Tricky one. i got it through uni so yes but it wasnt dependent on my qualifications.

I think it depends on the more on the type of job.

But you had to have qualifications to go to uni...

I didn't.. i will be completing a bachelors degree this year through the OU, which attracted me because entry requirement was time rather than A levels (which i never took) "

Yeah with mine i think you could have got on my course with just the basics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not as you get older.

I do the same job for the same money as people who have higher qualifications than me!

I could claim to have tonnes of qualifications but I can't prove it. If you lose your certificates, you've had it! No way of proving or disproving.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

These days it matters even more for our young people with there being less decent jobs around.

Of course employers are going to take someone with better grades at whatever level!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These days it matters even more for our young people with there being less decent jobs around.

Of course employers are going to take someone with better grades at whatever level!! "

That then leave people who are equally capable out in the cold. Just because someone has a piece of paper to say they can, doesn't make them the best candidate!!

I've seen this time and time again over the years.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"These days it matters even more for our young people with there being less decent jobs around.

Of course employers are going to take someone with better grades at whatever level!!

That then leave people who are equally capable out in the cold. Just because someone has a piece of paper to say they can, doesn't make them the best candidate!!

I've seen this time and time again over the years. "

I agree, however, I think better grades gives people more choice ~ rightly or wrongly.

It's what I tell my kids anyway. They are 12, 14 & 16.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they matter, I wish I had gone down a doffeeent route that would have made my life easier now.

But I know someone that got all the qualifications, really brainy, but then hated their career choice and through it all away to work in retail

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Qualifications? What are they ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah they matter. Even 22 years after leaving school those pesky GCSE results caused me problems. Have had to retake them even though I wanted to move to the same role in a different employer. The experience in the job meant nothing with out those qualifications

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By *arnsley guy100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

I don't think their massively important.. For some professions yes.... But there again who says you can't be happy working in a supermarket,a van driver or any other unacademic employment?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I disagree op and perceive that generally they are important but each individual should choose for them, based on their choices in life.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

yes, school qualifications do matter

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By *reckledWoman
over a year ago

manchester

I think it depends on your profession.

For example applications for my line of work request precise numerical breakdowns of all school grades, college grades, university modules etc. And when I’m looking at applications I do take these into consideration and would question them if they were lacking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They definitely matter. Especially if you want to return to learning as an adult.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think they do matter but I also think that the push for everyone to go to university has somewhat flooded the market and has caused problems in recruiting for key markets.

Nursing for example.

Employers are also pushing for more and more as an entry level qualification simply because there are tonnes of over qualified applicants for them to choose from. I swear that you'll need a degree to stack shelves in the supermarket soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people cant learn in a school environment me for example i used to struggle to concentrate in a classroom i understood what was being taught i just couldnt put it down on paper so i would shout the answers out and as a result be thrown out of class even if correct so by the time of upper school i didnt want to know about schooling didnt see the point and stopped going i desided it wasnt for me in the end.

Finnished with 2 gcses for pointless subjects relyed put focus on obtaining life skills instead wich i believe are more important im now work in the corperate sector and love my job

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?"

I was literally just going to say this. You can't argue with that!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

School qualifications matter for the majority of people. It's possible to make your way very successfully in life without them, I know a millionaire who can't read, but for most of us we need to have at least maths and English at gcse to start on the ladder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?

I was literally just going to say this. You can't argue with that!

"

I wait until there old enough to deside for themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gone through the school and uni system getting alright qualifications and now have a good job.

looking back ive realised that none of my qualifications were really needed or helpful and i was interested if you guys have had the same experience?

"

I didn't do well at school due to been dyslexic but when I start at a job I like to start at the bottom and work my way up the ladder am now in charge of health and safety and a warehouse Foreman plus am now doing welding training

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the internet will make qualifications easier to get but people will start to realise being qualified and being competent are not the same thing.

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?"

Don’t get me started on that, my kids’ father didn't see the importance of education and actually made reference to it so frequently my eldest is lazy at school. Guess what, now he’s had a change of heart and is now trying to undo the damage. Luckily my eldest is intelligent so has managed to achieve with very little effort. That’s great but doesn’t teach him the importance of the more you put it the more you get out of things. Education is the foundation for adulthood, not all the things taught are relevant but it’s one of the few things that can never be taken away from any of us. Learning should be a positive experience and tailored to each child for them to achieve their potential. We wouldn’t have the advances in technology and medicine etc without education. Children need to learn, they are the future and can go on to achieve great things that will impact us all. I don’t just mean as doctors or scientists etc but in the arts or in any other field they choose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mostly not in terms of getting employment.

GCSE'S get you to A levels, A levels get you to uni and from uni you should get something of value.

But a GCSE or A level by themselves aren't worth jack in the real world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids need life skill

Job skills

Not can we all speak french or german or can we paint pictures.

Hell if its a language needs learning it gotta be mandarin

Not eu ones.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?

Don’t get me started on that, my kids’ father didn't see the importance of education and actually made reference to it so frequently my eldest is lazy at school. Guess what, now he’s had a change of heart and is now trying to undo the damage. Luckily my eldest is intelligent so has managed to achieve with very little effort. That’s great but doesn’t teach him the importance of the more you put it the more you get out of things. Education is the foundation for adulthood, not all the things taught are relevant but it’s one of the few things that can never be taken away from any of us. Learning should be a positive experience and tailored to each child for them to achieve their potential. We wouldn’t have the advances in technology and medicine etc without education. Children need to learn, they are the future and can go on to achieve great things that will impact us all. I don’t just mean as doctors or scientists etc but in the arts or in any other field they choose "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This country's academic qualifications used to be able to taken around the world. But not anymore because of politicians interference with the grading system and their obsession in that everybody should "pass" and not "fail".

Exams should be graded using the bell-curve principle, then no matter how easy or hard a year's exams are you get grade as a percentile, or each year only the top 10% get grade "A".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For some jobs they’re essential, for others the experienced gained obtained getting them can be very useful. Not always of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether or not they have relevance to the career one ultimately pursues, they open doors. Without them, opportunities are far more limited.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"Whether or not they have relevance to the career one ultimately pursues, they open doors. Without them, opportunities are far more limited. "

Exactly what I've been telling my kids recently.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Depends what they're needed for. Our degrees are prerequisites for the job, it's impossible to work in our fields without them as you can't be get to the initial assessment stage.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe


"Whether or not they have relevance to the career one ultimately pursues, they open doors. Without them, opportunities are far more limited.

Exactly what I've been telling my kids recently."

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Kids need life skill

Job skills

Not can we all speak french or german or can we paint pictures.

Hell if its a language needs learning it gotta be mandarin

Not eu ones.

"

Three schools near me teach Mandarin as well as French, German and Spanish.

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By *apillonNoirWoman
over a year ago

There...

The world doesn’t revolve around academic qualifications (says she with 3 degrees).

Yes, for some careers, good school exam results are a prerequisite - but not everyone wants to be a lawyer, surgeon, hedge fund manager, architect (you get my drift). Without plumbers, carpenters, refuse collectors (you get my drift) the world may well grind to a halt. Are we all aspirational regarding a high flying career? No obviously. And the world is a richer place for it. Do parents want their children to have the choices that good school exam grades afford? I’d risk a yes in answer!

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Nah. I left school with one GCSE.

Joined the army, got some life experience, decided to educate myself on my terms, ended up with a Masters degree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a tree surgeon i learned more of my future trade when i didnt attend school

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Gone through the school and uni system getting alright qualifications and now have a good job.

looking back ive realised that none of my qualifications were really needed or helpful and i was interested if you guys have had the same experience?

"
They where on your CV that might have got you the job in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?"

No I don't, or at least I didn't with my eldest. Naturally gifted to learn, sucked it up like a sponge. Chucked it all in after gcse and did an apprenticeship in business administration. She chose her employer very carefully. Within 2 years she is now manager!!

My youngest is a completely different kettle of fish!!! Year 7 and can just about read but cannot write. He has complex learning difficulties (or so I'm told). The amazing British education system has let him down!! What do you think would happen if I told him that getting his gcse's where the be all and end all of life? It would ruin his already low self esteem. We have to look at things in a completely different way for him.

When school asked me during a recent meeting, what goals I have for my youngest, it was pretty simple. To be able to get a job and live a happy, ordinary life!

Do you have any idea how that feels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At your age yes, along with other experiences that allow you to demonstrate your value in the work place.

At my age, heck no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They matter for me, but then that's because I did a vocational degree that's required to do the job. Having said that, relevant experience means more than the grade, so I'll do better in an interview having worked in the field as an assistant and only got a 2:2 than someone fresh out of uni with a 1st.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends what you want to do. Sometimes experience matters more

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

In my case and Industry, University was an added and unnecessary expense. I learn some things but for what I paid, I didn’t receive value, a basic lesson in any business.

Though I won’t boast about my success, it’s safe to say paper or not, requires more from you as a person than ever anticipated to get ahead.

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By *urse234Woman
over a year ago

somewhere in Essex

I didnt do very well in my degree but in my profession they dont look at that, they just look at your registration.

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By *arnsley guy100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

It's a bit like shagging random strangers... There's no right or wrong way to do anything,as long as it's right for that person at that time and as whole as long as there happy pottering on,or even getting through in life without to much drama.... End of the day,what is success??

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By *rladytoyMan
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Gone through the school and uni system getting alright qualifications and now have a good job.

looking back ive realised that none of my qualifications were really needed or helpful and i was interested if you guys have had the same experience?

"

I would have to say no. I didnt get any, i was reasonably bright but very naughty. I have lied about having qualifications many times and never ever been pulled on it. Im wealthy and succesfull .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest, I have never had to rely on my qualifications , I failed miserably when I sat my o levels the first time round, did an extra year and passed all of then , no university degree, but loads of on the job training qualifications, though I don't take my basic qualifications for granted as they are used in everyday life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are often astounded when they learn how disparate my degree to my work is - but what school and uni teach us - is about working relationships, processes, getting us to widen our thinking power. One could argue that life’s experiences, the conversations we have, our role models and mentors can also instil that into us.

I find that a mix of both is relevant and powerful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world doesn’t revolve around academic qualifications (says she with 3 degrees).

Yes, for some careers, good school exam results are a prerequisite - but not everyone wants to be a lawyer, surgeon, hedge fund manager, architect (you get my drift). Without plumbers, carpenters, refuse collectors (you get my drift) the world may well grind to a halt. Are we all aspirational regarding a high flying career? No obviously. And the world is a richer place for it. Do parents want their children to have the choices that good school exam grades afford? I’d risk a yes in answer! "

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nah. I left school with one GCSE.

Joined the army, got some life experience, decided to educate myself on my terms, ended up with a Masters degree"

Now I come to think of it, that’s pretty much how I did it so I’d like to change my answer.

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By *arnsley guy100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

I had this same conversation a while back with a young person who I work with.... He,s 21.. Left school without going to 6th form or any other further education ,.. and since then has earnt circa £80,000 over the 5 years and has no student debt...

I seen no reason why he won't earn a further £70,000 to £90,000 over the next 4 years with no student debt.

IE .. Circa £160000 income over 9 years and no debt.... Against none or minimum income plus circa £50,000 student debt.

Real terms.... Cost circa £200000 to be a student....

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"So the people who say they don't matter....if you have your own kids is that what you tell them?

No I don't, or at least I didn't with my eldest. Naturally gifted to learn, sucked it up like a sponge. Chucked it all in after gcse and did an apprenticeship in business administration. She chose her employer very carefully. Within 2 years she is now manager!!

My youngest is a completely different kettle of fish!!! Year 7 and can just about read but cannot write. He has complex learning difficulties (or so I'm told). The amazing British education system has let him down!! What do you think would happen if I told him that getting his gcse's where the be all and end all of life? It would ruin his already low self esteem. We have to look at things in a completely different way for him.

When school asked me during a recent meeting, what goals I have for my youngest, it was pretty simple. To be able to get a job and live a happy, ordinary life!

Do you have any idea how that feels? "

No I don't, but I do know that every child is different and should be advised differently. As a parent that's all we can wish for as you say get a job, live a happy, ordinary life. I just want mine to have the best start they can and that means doing well in their exams so they stand out a bit amongst all the other kids that will be trying to get that job.

I hope that's ok with you

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