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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The 78 year old pensioner is released and faces no further police action following the stabbing to death of a career burglar.

Your thoughts please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too right he should be let off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cps said there is no case to answer to..

And quite right too

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"The cps said there is no case to answer to..

And quite right too"

Indeed!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case."

No. The law remains the same. People are entitled to use reasonable force to defend themselves and their property. What is reasonable will depend on all the circumstances.

Thus it may well be reasonable for an elderly person to use a knife to defend themselves from attack by a fit young man. It would not be reasonable to use a knife if the positions were reversed.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I felt emotion when I heard as if I knew him.

I am so glad. So So glad.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest


"This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case."

Sadly it’s not quite the same. Tony Martin shot an unarmed 16 year old lad in the back as he was running away.. He was charged with murder, which was changed to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility

A sea change is not on the horizon. Whilst killing someone whilst in the act of self defence will never be made illegal there is no appetite for a change in the law to mean you can kill someone in order to defend your property.

And yes, this does still mean all power to the criminals. If you catch a guy walking out with your television there will still be precious little you can do about it as you won’t be being threatened or have cause to believe you could be.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case.

Sadly it’s not quite the same. Tony Martin shot an unarmed 16 year old lad in the back as he was running away.. He was charged with murder, which was changed to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility

A sea change is not on the horizon. Whilst killing someone whilst in the act of self defence will never be made illegal there is no appetite for a change in the law to mean you can kill someone in order to defend your property.

And yes, this does still mean all power to the criminals. If you catch a guy walking out with your television there will still be precious little you can do about it as you won’t be being threatened or have cause to believe you could be. "

Not correct. You can use reasonable force to get your TV back. You just can't kill the burglar.

Personally, if someone is willing to break into someone's house to nick things they are probably not the most stable character. I am not going to start fighting someone like that for the sake of a TV.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Papers are full of it, the burglar apparently comes from a family who have been jailed, in the past for getting extortionate amounts of money from the elderly for 'building/roofing' jobs. Horrible people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case.

Sadly it’s not quite the same. Tony Martin shot an unarmed 16 year old lad in the back as he was running away.. He was charged with murder, which was changed to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility

A sea change is not on the horizon. Whilst killing someone whilst in the act of self defence will never be made illegal there is no appetite for a change in the law to mean you can kill someone in order to defend your property.

And yes, this does still mean all power to the criminals. If you catch a guy walking out with your television there will still be precious little you can do about it as you won’t be being threatened or have cause to believe you could be. "

Then i think that's a real shame.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think we should be celebrating the guy's death. However I'm very happy the man who was attacked in his own home has been released without charge. I feel though that the poor man's sentence has just begun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think we should be celebrating the guy's death. However I'm very happy the man who was attacked in his own home has been released without charge. I feel though that the poor man's sentence has just begun "

I couldn’t agree more..

If the papers are to be believed and he came from a less than savoury family, then I can’t help but think that the poor old man will

Now feel less safe in his own home than ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This reminds me of the Tony Martin debacle some years ago. It would appear that a sea-change is on the horizon and this could well be a landmark case."

Martin shot someone on the back as they fled the scene. That's not self defence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the police no longer place protecting the public as a high priority (burglary units closed, 999 calls taking hours to respond to etc), this sort of case will happen more and more.

Of course people will still try to cling to "the rule of law", but that only works in a high trust society, which we no longer have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was always the likely outcome. Arresting him was the right thing to do. He was never charged. And most people don't seem to realise that tbere is a massive difference between the two. Due process has to be followed.

It saddens me that the media seemed intent on turning him into a martyr. And the almost celebratory view that is being taken over the victims death is wrong in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was always the likely outcome. Arresting him was the right thing to do. He was never charged. And most people don't seem to realise that tbere is a massive difference between the two. Due process has to be followed.

It saddens me that the media seemed intent on turning him into a martyr. And the almost celebratory view that is being taken over the victims death is wrong in my opinion."

Wholeheartedly agree.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"It was always the likely outcome. Arresting him was the right thing to do. He was never charged. And most people don't seem to realise that tbere is a massive difference between the two. Due process has to be followed.

It saddens me that the media seemed intent on turning him into a martyr. And the almost celebratory view that is being taken over the victims death is wrong in my opinion."

Exactly. Arresting him actually protected his position. As that meant he was entitled to free legal advice amongst various other rights afforded to people who have been arrested.

And the arrest was probably purely formal. He would have been taken to a police station and interviewed. That would be what the arrest amounted to.

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