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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Do you think the end or the means is more important?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's a means to an end, then the means is more important because the end is the end, but if the means means you don't get to the end, then it's the end of the means

Know what I mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the means justifies the end then its the means..

But it could be vice versa

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

A context is needed.

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I think if you have to claim that the ends justify the means then the means are pretty gnarly and probably not justifiable. Or I may have just mistranslated my Camus.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end. "

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If it's a means to an end, then the means is more important because the end is the end, but if the means means you don't get to the end, then it's the end of the means

Know what I mean"

Meanie

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If the means justifies the end then its the means..

But it could be vice versa "

Nods

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A context is needed. "

It really is!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think if you have to claim that the ends justify the means then the means are pretty gnarly and probably not justifiable. Or I may have just mistranslated my Camus."

Yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means? "

Extraordinary Rendition.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means?

Extraordinary Rendition."

And yet by many it’s considered a crime against humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is contextual, if you are looking for a specific outcome, which has no detrimental affect on anyone else, then yes the means is important

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is contextual, if you are looking for a specific outcome, which has no detrimental affect on anyone else, then yes the means is important"

It is contextual, yes.

I’m interested in hearing examples of where people would choose end over means or vice versa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is contextual, if you are looking for a specific outcome, which has no detrimental affect on anyone else, then yes the means is important

It is contextual, yes.

I’m interested in hearing examples of where people would choose end over means or vice versa. "
if I wished to achieve a goal, and the means was knowledge and experience, then the means is more important to achieve my end goal, if my desire was to achieve my end goal by what ever means, then I wouldn't care who I hurt offended or upset, in which the end result would be more important, it comes down how moral I am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A context is needed.

It really is!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A context is needed.

It really is!

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Subtext.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means?

Extraordinary Rendition.

And yet by many it’s considered a crime against humanity. "

And yet many also consider the ends justify the means if it means thousands are saved compared to one terrorist not undergoing western jurisprudence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means?

Extraordinary Rendition.

And yet by many it’s considered a crime against humanity.

And yet many also consider the ends justify the means if it means thousands are saved compared to one terrorist not undergoing western jurisprudence. "

And yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

End its a results driven world right or wrong its the way it is

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"End its a results driven world right or wrong its the way it is"

Or is it?

That’s one view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Depends what the end is, something trivial then the means but something more important then the end.

What would be an example of an important end which makes the end more important than the means?

Extraordinary Rendition.

And yet by many it’s considered a crime against humanity.

And yet many also consider the ends justify the means if it means thousands are saved compared to one terrorist not undergoing western jurisprudence.

And yet.

"

What?

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