FabSwingers.com forum: RIP Marco Simoncelli

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just watched this race and sadly Super Sic have died after horrible accident with Colin Edwards and Rossi, knew it wasnt looking good when the helmet was ripped off and the race to be cancelled.

Rip Marco.

A bad week in motorsports with Dan Wheldon last week and now this.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

RIP Marco. Condolences to his family, friends and team members. A huge talent that will be greatly missed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh my good.. was about to watch this race... Oh no...

Such a talent gone.... Not sure I will even watch it now.

Sad sad day... Rossi must be mortified... They were such good friends.

Cali x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so cruel, two huge talants gone in a week, not good

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By *herry n JonesyCouple
over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Leicester

A horrific accident. My thoughts are with his family and friends. RIP to a big talent

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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago

Portsmouth, North Brittany, France

A sad sad day for motorcycle racing, a great talent who will be greatly missed. Sympathies to Valentino Rossi and Colin Edwards as well - an evil accident for all concerned.

RIP Marco

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

RIP Marco

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

He did skid a fucking long way on his face.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He did skid a fucking long way on his face."

don't think he'd have managed a smile after it though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was Rossi fault

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was Rossi fault"

How did you work that out.... ? You must have been watching a different crash to me.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

High risk sport and they know the risks ..... but my condolences to marcos family ...so sad on the heels of Dans death..he came from my village i know his parents ....

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By *ll of a QuiverCouple
over a year ago

Douglas

RIP Marco

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By *ll of a QuiverCouple
over a year ago

Douglas

"It was Rossi fault"

It was a tragic and unnavoidable accident.

Nobody is at fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was Rossi fault

It was a tragic and unnavoidable accident.

Nobody is at fault."

You're right you cant attribute blame. They all know its a dangerous sport its just a tragic outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was Rossi fault"
It was a tragic racing accident, no one is to blame. It looked like Marco was trying to stop the bike low siding, when he appears to loose control and swerves in front of Rossi and Edwards. My thoughts are not only with Simoncelli but also with Colin Edwards who judging by the footage I saw must be in complete shock

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By *ne-just4funMan
over a year ago

Southampton

"It was Rossi fault"

How the hell do you work that one out. Marco lost control and fell into the path of Edwards and then Rossi. A tragic accident!

RIP Marco, a great racer and a larger than life personality. MOTO GP need more riders like Marco, he will be a great loss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched the commentary after... They were kept away... Baltista is in shock too.

If the other bikes had missed him, then it maybe another matter.. one thing that shocked me was how long Marco was laying on the tarmac with no marshals... I'm a Marshall myself... And that bit shocked me.

But whatever.... It's a tragic accident... One which I am sure is going to take some getting over by his good friends Rossi and Edwards.

Cali x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im sorry but what utter crap ... wont put the pm but... to suggest rossi did it on purpose..

What race were you watching.. Crap...

totally..

and also very disrespectful... ( along with the odd jokes about such a tragedy)

Cali

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave....."

a man has lost his life.. Show some respect...

Cali

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

"Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave.....

a man has lost his life.. Show some respect...

Cali "

I respect his pizzas....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

RIP Marco and condolences to your family and friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I respect his pizzas...."

any further words would be lost on you.. but to say I am stunned at such disrespect for someone that was a great talent has me almost speechless.. I have re written this three times so as not to get myself banned..

Cali

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave.....

a man has lost his life.. Show some respect...

Cali

I respect his pizzas...."

Sorry Jane, but you have complained before of people being flippant on serious discussions you have been in on threads, and I have agreed with you and others most of the time and sorted it....so for you to do it now is not good.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

I respect his pizzas....

Cali "

You'll get over it....maybe while you are showing such public outpouring of respect you could show some for the 21 year old Indian Gurkha killed serving this country in a dirty field in Afghanistan this week?

Or do you just save your 'respect' for those who we are expected to see as more famous and more worthy?

That's the problem....the 'famous' are seen to be more worthy than the ordinary troops that are killed every week serving this country.

So if you don't mind....I'll keep my 'respect' and grieving private rather than posting it on a forum on a swingers website....

It would be lost on many on here anyway, as it doesn't involve someone 'famous'.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

"Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave.....

a man has lost his life.. Show some respect...

Cali

I respect his pizzas....

I reserve my respect for those I deem to be worthy of it....a sportsman who means nothing to me isn't in that catagory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because someone is famous doesnt mean that he deserves any less respect...

Your posts are just to annoy those of us who actually see Marco as a person and I have been lucky enough to meet Marco twice at charity events... and he was always happy to talk..

Just because you dont know someone does not mean you can be flippant about their death.. he didnt mean anything to you.. but to many its a tragedy..

People die each and every day and its just as tragic.. but difference between you and I, is that I would never joke about someones demise.. and that includes those that I perhaps thought deserved to die.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't get to see the race, sad news indeed.

Wishing all involved strength and support now and in the future.

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By *herry n JonesyCouple
over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Leicester

I respect his pizzas....

Cali "

+1 the level of disrespect is appalling

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

wow... I have to say i am stunned....

just gotten up and read the news....

have to say marco was my favourite GP Rider, his style of bike racing was a throw back to another era where it was a devil may care attitude....fearless and breathtaking!

been a horrible week for motorsport in general... first dan wheldon and now this......

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I respect his pizzas....

Cali

Or do you just save your 'respect' for those who we are expected to see as more famous and more worthy?

That's the problem....the 'famous' are seen to be more worthy than the ordinary troops that are killed every week serving this country.

So if you don't mind....I'll keep my 'respect' and grieving private rather than posting it on a forum on a swingers website....

It would be lost on many on here anyway, as it doesn't involve someone 'famous'."

if you want to redress the balance then start your own thread about the young man, dont go trouncing all over a tread that is here to alow fans of this man to show their respects - the 'post new topic' link should work on your computer to

Whilst i have no clue who this man (or the 21 year old you mention) is it is sad to hear of someone losing their life, either in combat or competing in a sport they loved doing respect should be shown

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I've never understood why some people 'ration' grief. I can feel grief for the starving in Somalia, and the little girl in China, and the victims of the Japanese tsunami, and the soldiers fighting abroad, and two racing drivers who died in horrific accidents this week. Saying that someone is not worthy of grief just because they are famous is missing the point. The people close to them are grieving just as the soldiers family is grieving.

Death is a risk in motorsport, fighting wars abroad, and living in an earthquake zone. No-one 'deserves' grief more or less than others. Someone has died, and respecting the dead is something we do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

_abio I totally agree about Marcos style.. He actually reminded me of the good old days..before the bikes had all the helpful gadgets..

I was actually expecting in a few years to see Marco take the title..

Sad, sad and very sad... we all know its a dangerous sport.. but actually in moto GP there has not been a death since 2003.. and when you consider the speed and amount of accidents that actually take place, it is quite a safety record.

All my thoughts go out to Marco and his friends and family..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why some people 'ration' grief. I can feel grief for the starving in Somalia, and the little girl in China, and the victims of the Japanese tsunami, and the soldiers fighting abroad, and two racing drivers who died in horrific accidents this week. Saying that someone is not worthy of grief just because they are famous is missing the point. The people close to them are grieving just as the soldiers family is grieving.

Death is a risk in motorsport, fighting wars abroad, and living in an earthquake zone. No-one 'deserves' grief more or less than others. Someone has died, and respecting the dead is something we do."

Very well said.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Don't know who he was....but his pizzas are lovely and so glad that Asda decided to keep them on their shelves.

Balsamic Cherry Tomatoes and Motzerella my particular fave.....

a man has lost his life.. Show some respect...

Cali

I respect his pizzas....

I reserve my respect for those I deem to be worthy of it....a sportsman who means nothing to me isn't in that catagory."

Thats not what I said.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Anyway back to the topic.

Sadly we hear of people all the time who die too young, it is sad whatever they do in their life, and very sad for their families left behind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's tragic for anyone who loses a life either as a result of a tragic accident, serving their country, being killed in the course of saving lives of others in the emergency services, dieing of old age, or bodies that have lost the will to live... I don't categorise, they are all a loss to the worl... but these things happen all over the world, every single day.

Remembering someone for their achievements in life, is far better than petty in-fighting over technicalities. Dev and I are going to a funeral tomorrow, for me it's for someone I never had chance to know personally - I shall still be going in my suit and black tie as a marker of respect.

Respect is something worthy of both the living and the dead.

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway back to the topic.

Sadly we hear of people all the time who die too young, it is sad whatever they do in their life, and very sad for their families left behind.

Concur.

My late partner's son recently died while serving his country.

Although there was no love loss between us, it was still very sad to hear about his passing, and for those whom he left behind.

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Then why waste your time making such a big point of not caring?

Nothing nice to say and all that...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fuckin tragic. He was the one that provided the entertainment to a poor season. I knew it was bad when his lid was rollin around. He was a star of the future no doubt. r.i.p marco. Hope he's lappin in the afterworld swappin paint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fuckin tragic. He was the one that provided the entertainment to a poor season. I knew it was bad when his lid was rollin around. He was a star of the future no doubt. r.i.p marco. Hope he's lappin in the afterworld swappin paint."

I am sure that there are going to be some epic races in the afterworld.. after all many greats are there..

Its one of the few racing accidents I was totally stunned by..

I was horrified to find a set of photos showing just how the following two bikes hit him.

There is no words from Edward or Rossi from what I can find.. but I would guess they are both in a bad way..

Cali x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then why waste your time making such a big point of not caring?

Nothing nice to say and all that...

Just woke up to this news and i actually thought it would not get a mention in here, was nice to see,but then i scrolled down to the section that you can only class as the "if you have nothing nice to say"section, unbelievable !

He made the sport extra exciting, watched many riders with that style and eager to against all the technical odds, winning attitude, Nori Haga for example, its all they know,what separates us from them, the bravery and skill to do that week after week,that can easily be applied to soldiers too,very brave and again something i certainly could not do, because im this mere member of the public who has no right to say who deserves my sympathy, but they automatically do.

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By *herry n JonesyCouple
over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Leicester

I am sure that there are going to be some epic races in the afterworld.. after all many greats are there..

Its one of the few racing accidents I was totally stunned by..

I was horrified to find a set of photos showing just how the following two bikes hit him.

There is no words from Edward or Rossi from what I can find.. but I would guess they are both in a bad way..

Cali x

I believe Edwards was receiving treatment to his dislocated shoulder and was sedated so we won't hear from him just yet. I imagine Vale is in a real bad way mentally right now. My sympathy is with both of those guys also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is just sad sad and sad.. and actually the longer I have for it to sink in I realise just what a loss we have to the already depleated moto gp grid..

I am a valentino Rossi fan, but also a Simoncelli fan.. as I just loved his style.. When he was in the lower classes, I would watch those races for him... so when he was in the same races as rossi I did have a minor conflict of interests.. but I did feel simoncelli did add the needed magic to a pretty lack luster year.

Cali

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

A very sad loss.

RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Death is a risk in motorsport, fighting wars abroad, and living in an earthquake zone. No-one 'deserves' grief more or less than others. Someone has died, and respecting the dead is something we do."

As others have said marco was the rider of the year if not the last 2 for me. He was a born and bred racer always pushing

Also he had some crazy hair lol.

Can't beieve he has gone.

RIP 58

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

I respect his pizzas....

Cali

Or do you just save your 'respect' for those who we are expected to see as more famous and more worthy?

That's the problem....the 'famous' are seen to be more worthy than the ordinary troops that are killed every week serving this country.

So if you don't mind....I'll keep my 'respect' and grieving private rather than posting it on a forum on a swingers website....

It would be lost on many on here anyway, as it doesn't involve someone 'famous'."

sorry,outpourings of emotions for strangers because they are famous turns my stomach.

Tonight there are people grieving for family members,famous and non famous,they all share the same emotions,because one happened on tv does not make it worthy of respect or greater attention.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The thread is closed, it's going off track and trolling is started now.

Anyway, thanks for the memories Marco Simoncelli, a lost future champion for sure.

RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry,outpourings of emotions for strangers because they are famous turns my stomach.

Tonight there are people grieving for family members,famous and non famous,they all share the same emotions,because one happened on tv does not make it worthy of respect or greater attention."

Oh my god, how bitter and twisted do you have to be to lose all emotional respect for someones passing just because they are famous?

By using your twisted sick logic we should now not care about the ghurka previously mentioned because he has now been mentioned in a public forum so to an extent now has a level of fame attached to him.

At no point has ANYONE said that people are more worthy of our respect simply because they are famous.

Outside of friends and family, people are affected by events / people that are important to them. You seem to fail to understand that people may be upset about this persons death because of their respect for him, their admiration for his ability, their understanding of what he does away from the track. You know, things that make humans make a connection with another human being.

Just because he became famous does not suddenly invalidate any respect people may have had for him before his fame or since his fame.

To think that people are only bothered about Marcos passing because he was famous says a hell of a lot more about you as a very very sad and insecure and bitter human being than it ever will about the people who admired and respected him.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

sorry,outpourings of emotions for strangers because they are famous turns my stomach.

Tonight there are people grieving for family members,famous and non famous,they all share the same emotions,because one happened on tv does not make it worthy of respect or greater attention.

Oh my god, how bitter and twisted do you have to be to lose all emotional respect for someones passing just because they are famous?

At no point has ANYONE said that people are more worthy of our respect simply because they are famous.

Just because he became famous does not suddenly invalidate any respect people may have had for him before his fame or since his fame.

Can we keep personal abuse out of this please....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we keep personal abuse out of this please....

You should have thought about that before you told people that their genuine emotions turned your stomach and made you sick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have met marco twice.. yes okay he isnt a friend... but he took time to talk to me and my little girl who happens to have thought he was great.

He was a fantastic talent..and really is a loss to the sport..

It is a very sad sad day for the sport...

I have been quite upset about it all day..

Cali x

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wouldnt be surprised if rossi or edwards pack in motogp after that

fucking horrendous to watch.

brings a tear to the eye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

omg just heard.Being a huge fan of moto gp im devastated.My heart goes out to his family and all that loved him....RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldnt be surprised if rossi or edwards pack in motogp after that

fucking horrendous to watch.

brings a tear to the eye"

I was actually thinking the same..

Edwards I think was leaving anyway... even knowing it was not your fault... it will take a lot to come back after that.. I think it is a good thing almost it was not the last race of the season... as with all that time to wait... I think that the mind would be in torment.

Next race will be a tribute to Marco...

I found online though a few horrific shots that they didnt show on tv.. and I have actually stopped looking now.. but there are thousands of tributes to a lost talent.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

R.I.P marco

a true motorcycle galdiator

a sad loss

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

Can we keep personal abuse out of this please....

You should have thought about that before you told people that their genuine emotions turned your stomach and made you sick."

Where did i personally attack anyone...i felt the same about jade goody and princess diana.i cannot see that it is emotionally healthy to project emotions onto people because they are famous.

i also said all grief by family members is suffering,but by trying to claim that suffering as our own we are behaving n a manner that is close to rubbernecking.Wallowing in emotions that properly belong to friends and family of the deceased.This has been described as grief tourism,and many psychologists share my view that it is a sign of the cognitive dissonance of modern society.

How many of the people grieving here will visit their widowed elderly neighbour,make an effort to visit a bereaved person,and how many will cross the street because death makes them uncomfortable and "they dont know what to say"

It is the gap between cyber tributes and real life actions that turns my stomach.1000 people are dead in turkey,i have been on the phone twice tonight,one as part of a prayer chain,the other in conversation with the local red cross representative,as their is an emergency appeal being planned.

i save my emotional energy and thus remain unbitter,untwisted and mentally aware of where my emotions come from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see kinda what jemima means.. but to fans.. and I mean real fans.. you watch these people day in..

for me I have watched marco race since before he was famous...and have watched his talent and pure genius grow..

Its sad as he was 24, and just starting to show his real talent.. and what is worse is if the bike had just carried on going off the track he could have been here today.

Now I dont do religion..and I accept that this is just fate.. but doesnt make it any less real that this talent is lost in an already fading sport.

I am as sad for the loss for moto gp as I am for the man himself..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iv ridden bikes for years on the roads and raced on tracks and still have a race bike now i no what it like to loose friends both on road and in the racing scene .

Anyone who rides at there will feel this accident hard i do ...

Macro a star of the future R.I.P mate .........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where did i personally attack anyone...

i save my emotional energy and thus remain unbitter,untwisted and mentally aware of where my emotions come from."

Its the fact that you have judged the people in this post and measured (by your own perspectives) the value and genuine feeling of their sadness at this loss. The general dismissing of their sadness as cyber tributes, and the implication that they do not care about anyone other than famous people, that says a lot about you.

To then feel the need to state that your feelings of emotion are more genuine and that you have personally been on the phone twice this evening (as if to prove that you REALLY care, whereas we are all bathing in public outpourings of cyber emotion). To me, the fact that you need to express your more meaningful emotional response is actually the shallowest statement of it all.

A prayer chain... bet thats really helping the Turkish people right now...

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By *herry n JonesyCouple
over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Leicester

For me, it comes from witnessing the accident live on tv. I would be feeling the same if I saw anyone actually losing their life on tv or in real life.

I find it distressing, thats just the way I am and I make no apology for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm struggling to see why some are getting upset about others paying their respects for a young talented man that sadly lost his life today in a tragic accident.

I didn't and still don't really know who this fella is from Adam being honest.... It would NOT make me a "grief tourist" or a "wallowing rubber-necker" if I said a few kind words on an Internet forum about how sad it I thought it was that someone lost their life in any circumstances.

From what I do know of this man... he didn't do anyone harm and he obviously is much loved by fans of his sport.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

Two problems come to mind.

The first is about how hard it is to have a sensible debate about the nature of grief in our society today. Dissent from the Diana grief fest, or point out that it's exhibitionism to pile flowers by the side of the road where someone got stabbed in a fight with their worthless acquaintances, and no-one will listen to the rest of the argument. It's impossible to have a sensible debate about the life of the national grief objects, for fear you'll drown in a wave of saccharine emotions or that momument to national stupidity, the people who will speak no ill of the dead.

The second is that, in our narcissism and and our self delusion, we think as fans that we're more important than we are,and that our opinion makes a difference. Being nice to fans may reflect the character of the sportsman, or it may just be a smart career move. Of course we prefer to believe the former but...

There's also a certain self deception at work in motorsport. We kid ourselves the sport can be made safe. Even the competitors deceive themselves - they have to if they are to compete. My first racing hero was Tom Pryce, killed by a fuckwit marshal who was trying to get to someone else's accident. That was far from unique - John Surtees boy got a similar outcome recently. Other people have been killed by their own mistakes, or a dodgy weld, or their temper after they've realised they're being shafted by their team and their marriage is over. It's part of the sport, that the competitors will risk death for their moment of completeness and all that comes with it. Even when they know, like people in Vegas did, that the organizers greed made that track a death trap, still they do it.

I hope the Simoncelli family find peace, but there are other griefs that will occupy more of my time, and it's reasonable to ask if it's healthy to grieve in quite the way we do when celebrities we don't know die.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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There is no weeping / wailing/ people saying that they are overcome with grief / black armbands or laying of flowers.

All I saw on this thread is people saying what a waste of life and how sad for someone so young to die. Why can't people think it sad that someone has lost their life so young/ tragically?

Even if you didn't know the person, it is still sad....just like it is sad about the Ghurka who no one knew personally.

I really don't know why these type of threads end up this way. What is sad though, is you can't even have a thread like this go the way it is was intended which was to say something was very sad without it causing a ruck and point scoring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no weeping / wailing/ people saying that they are overcome with grief / black armbands or laying of flowers.

All I saw on this thread is people saying what a waste of life and how sad for someone so young to die. Why can't people think it sad that someone has lost their life so young/ tragically?

Even if you didn't know the person, it is still sad....just like it is sad about the Ghurka who no one knew personally.

Amen Ruggers x

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

I am as a fan, shocked by the accident that we saw this morning! Yes I said shocked!! Nothing to do with fame but has everything to do with ability and the way I felt about the guy!

I am also saddened by the way some on here who are always saying that they don't judge, have judged anyone who has shown grief at the passing of a talented young man!

Another reason it is so difficult to take in is the way it happened and the fact that deaths in Moto GP are a rare occurence..

Quite frankly, one of them I am not surprised about but I did kinda think that another one was better than that even though we don't always see eye to eye and have "crossed swords" on here..

For shame..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was Rossi fault"

how was it rossi,s fault..marco slid into colin then rossi.

blaming people for what was a tragic accident is disgusting and you should be ashamed of your self..

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"There is no weeping / wailing/ people saying that they are overcome with grief / black armbands or laying of flowers.

All I saw on this thread is people saying what a waste of life and how sad for someone so young to die. Why can't people think it sad that someone has lost their life so young/ tragically?

Even if you didn't know the person, it is still sad....just like it is sad about the Ghurka who no one knew personally.

I'm not sure if you're addressing what I've said. I think we may be at cross purposes, but I think it's fair to say that I have more faith in a prayer chain doing some good than people telling strangers in an internet forum that they hope someone who is dead will rest in peace, whatever that means.

I'll say this. If you say that the death of a racer in a crash is a waste of a life, you have a serious problem with racing, because death is as natural and integral to racing as the pleasures of victory. If you choose to be a racer, you are choosing to accept that you might die. Does that mean that racing is a waste of your life?

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"I am as a fan, shocked by the accident that we saw this morning! Yes I said shocked!! Nothing to do with fame but has everything to do with ability and the way I felt about the guy!

I am also saddened by the way some on here who are always saying that they don't judge, have judged anyone who has shown grief at the passing of a talented young man!

Another reason it is so difficult to take in is the way it happened and the fact that deaths in Moto GP are a rare occurence..

Quite frankly, one of them I am not surprised about but I did kinda think that another one was better than that even though we don't always see eye to eye and have "crossed swords" on here..

For shame..

What does 'For shame' mean?

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over a year ago

because death is as natural and integral to racing as the pleasures of victory. If you choose to be a racer, you are choosing to accept that you might die. Does that mean that racing is a waste of your life?"

It is not natural and integral to racing. It is a risk that everyone accepts, but it will never be natural and integral. It is one aspect of racing that will never EVER come naturally to racing and will never ever be viewed as integral. In fact, I would say most (if not all) people involved in any form of motor sport will say it the LEAST integral part of motorsport that anyone could think of.

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over a year ago

I have said its a tragic loss of a great talent...

Moto GP to be fair actually has a very good safety record.. Last death in moto gp was 2003...

Yes you do get deaths in motorsport.. yet we lost two of what to me are the greatest in helicopter accidents..

I was part of a tribute to both those heros of motor sport. I was in the E of the colin mcrae tribute... It was a show of our support and love of someone that had inspired us..

I dont think for a minute that its a waste.. I am sure that if you had asked any great racer how he wanted to go.. it would have been racing hard... its just sad...

and yes I have been a bit upset.. but more because of seeing the accident. I was pleased to see that there was no re run of the moto GP this afternoon...

Motor sport is a big part of my life, not only when I can do I take part, I am involved behind the scenes at times.... I marshall and I have friends that are marhsalls... I watch it all the time and will make as many live races as money and kids allow..

I when money allows like to do track days and even got my msa licence to race... yes its risky.. but it is a passion...

Marco was a great talent and I think those of us that want to celebrate that should be allowed too...

and also express our sadness at the loss to a sport that is already facing cuts due to money issues.. take a look at the grids.. lucky if 16 men started...

to me the loss of someone who I saw as a future champion is a big thing..

Cali x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"There is no weeping / wailing/ people saying that they are overcome with grief / black armbands or laying of flowers.

All I saw on this thread is people saying what a waste of life and how sad for someone so young to die. Why can't people think it sad that someone has lost their life so young/ tragically?

Even if you didn't know the person, it is still sad....just like it is sad about the Ghurka who no one knew personally.

Not got a clue what the hell you are on about and won't try to be honest.

What I do know is... I know nothing about bike racing, I am not a fan, I know nothing about the man who died...so I can't answer the questions that you are asking.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

You're entitled to your opinion. It's nice to see you;re so sure of it that you can treat me as someone not involved in any form of motorsport since I've dared to disagree with you.

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over a year ago

Rip to a young man that died horrifically,but was doing something that he loved,My thoughts are with his family and friends,a young life gone so tragically is a waste regardless of how it was taken or who it was

I don't know why im so disgusted at some of the comments in this thread,I should know better really being on here as long as I have....

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over a year ago

To some extent there appears to be a sense of community with the regulars on the forums...I guess thats a fair assessment....I`m somewhat, thru choice outside of it..

Mayhaps, and I mean this with good intention...online communities are a replacement fer the type of society thats long passed...communities..families..etc...

I think as such its reasonable to expect...when such a thread is posted..you`ll get a percentage of people posting...a shared meaning !

A way of connecting to others and our thoughts and feelings...

Mabye....it refects our memories of someone who played a part in our life, however vicariously...

Mabye..its about our own mortality...a reminder of the fickle finger of fate...

Mabye this...mabye that...

I don`t think its mawkish...I don`t spend time viewing things overlaid with bucketful of cynism...

It is what it is...a community of forum users saying that saw an end to a promising life...as a sadness they wanted to share with mates or buddies..

Theres lots more to say...

But thats another thread surely...

Start a thread on ..appropriate grief..?

I didn`t know the guy....I didn`t know Johny Cash....but I felt it sad at their passing...I saw Patrick Moore discussing the end of his life....that was sad too...should I mention my thoughts...

Fuck yeah....they ain`t harming anyone...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're entitled to your opinion. It's nice to see you;re so sure of it that you can treat me as someone not involved in any form of motorsport since I've dared to disagree with you."

Im not saying you arent involved in motorsport, and if thats how it came across then I apologise. I am saying that I have never met anyone in motorsport who finds death natural and integral to the sport.

If you think it is, then I will accept that as your point of view. But seriously, (and I mean this genuinely and not for the purpose of disagreeing) I honestly have never met anyone in all the years of my motorsport involvement who has felt that death is natural and integral.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"What does 'For shame' mean?"

for shame

Used to express great discontent, dissatisfaction, disappointment, often in a funny way; usually used after someone (including oneself) has done something wrong, committed a party foul, or said something not cool.

In this case? Disappointment at some of the comments that are neither required or IMHO fair. Also, so not cool!

I have no doubt loads feel nothing for someone who they didn't know, but I see no creedence in being openly disrespectful to those who are affected in whatever way...

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over a year ago

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"What does 'For shame' mean?

for shame

In this case? Disappointment at some of the comments that are neither required or IMHO fair. Also, so not cool!

I have no doubt loads feel nothing for someone who they didn't know, but I see no creedence in being openly disrespectful to those who are affected in whatever way...

So we censor the forums now because someone people watched on tv died...i notice no one had this concern about the hotpot jokes on the betty driver thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some evil minded fuckers on this thread. One thing to debate and totally another to bit a bitter old crone shouting hate and trolling when someone has died. No shame some people.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

You're entitled to your opinion. It's nice to see you;re so sure of it that you can treat me as someone not involved in any form of motorsport since I've dared to disagree with you.

Perhaps, like me, those people who disagree with you gave up marshalling and watching because the cognitive dissonance became too great? I only watch motorsport with a good track record on fatalities now, and Moto GP and bike road racing in general don't fit that template.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"What does 'For shame' mean?

for shame

In this case? Disappointment at some of the comments that are neither required or IMHO fair. Also, so not cool!

I have no doubt loads feel nothing for someone who they didn't know, but I see no creedence in being openly disrespectful to those who are affected in whatever way...

Who decides what's required, or cool? The Fonz?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know who the guy was but obviously he meant something to some people and a great deal more to others.

I too find it difficult to mourn the loss of people who do not directly affect my life, or for those who I bear no familiarity with / respect for.

However, I would not wish to detract from others mourning or sense of loss, especially in the period immediately following the persons death.

That, to me, demonstrates a lack of respect not only for the person who has died, but more importantly for the people who do feel a sense of loss.

As part of our online 'community' there is a time and a place for flippancy, a place for bad taste and a place for falling out.

A thread about the death of someone who meant something to quite a few of the regular forumites, in my opinion, does not have a place for any of the above.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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And on that note, maybe it is best to shut this one as this is a sad thread and nothing to do with the OP.

All I will say before shutting is...double standards, by a few people.

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