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By *ibbyhunter OP Couple
over a year ago

keighley

A bit surprised at the great man's funeral yesterday he was well know for his atheist believes not sure he would be comfortable with Eddie Redmayne's bible readings and the church service '

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure he respected his friends and family's beliefs, in as much as what belief meant to them. He would have respected their way of saying goodbye.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"A bit surprised at the great man's funeral yesterday he was well know for his atheist believes not sure he would be comfortable with Eddie Redmayne's bible readings and the church service '"

Maybe he was a hypocrite.

Maybe he said that his family could do as they wished.

Maybe at the time of judgement he suddenly decided he didn't want to upset God in case he got snapped up by Beelzebub.

If my family were religious and it helped them to have a church service then they can do that. As an atheist, I believe i'll be dead and simply return to earth. Makes no odds to me.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most.

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Surely as a Christian country it was just a way of showing respect to a man who had a profound effect on a countries opinions on disabled people.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

My aunt was an atheist her entire life. When she was diagnosed with terminal cancer she began to go to church. She told the vicar she still didn't believe though. I think she was hedging her bets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was having a similar conversation the other day. Their relative was cremated with no service or anything. She thought it was horrible that the family did no service for the relative.

I said perhaps they were respecting the dead relative's wishes.

Maybe his family wanted the service and he said it was ok.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I was having a similar conversation the other day. Their relative was cremated with no service or anything. She thought it was horrible that the family did no service for the relative.

I said perhaps they were respecting the dead relative's wishes.

Maybe his family wanted the service and he said it was ok. "

I suspect that he would have had his funeral planned for some time.

The bible has some beautiful passages in it that are worth reading even if you aren't religious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think his wife is a devout Christian, so no doubt it would have been important to her.

Mrs

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think his wife is a devout Christian, so no doubt it would have been important to her.

Mrs"

Yup. As an atheist , my family found comfort in sending me 'up' to God for safekeeping then so be it.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most."

believers usually have a doctrine in common and it can often be reasonable to suggest what they would think based upon their belief system

atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief

beyond that no one can make a reasoned assessment of what any individual atheist may or not think

I have it in my will that I will not be having any funeral

to my close friends it would seems disrespectful to my memory if anything religious or ceremonial was part of my death !

but to suggest atheists share a like mind or doctrine is misleading x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bit surprised at the great man's funeral yesterday he was well know for his atheist believes not sure he would be comfortable with Eddie Redmayne's bible readings and the church service '"

Since he's dead he won't care, surely? I don't believe in a God or an afterlife so what my loved ones choose to do when I go is irrelevant to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see any problems with it really as funarals are for the living

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me."

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

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By *rLucky777Man
over a year ago

Leeds

He’s only dead in this dimension. He died at 18 in another and lives on in more still.

One of his theories was infinite dimensions with every conceivable possibility imaginable taking place.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god "

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other. "

and that is written where ?

an atheist has no belief in any god concept

an agnostic has no belief in any god concept

an agnostic is an atheist who is more open minded that a concept may exist

it is popularised that atheists are hard non believers and agnostics are fence sitters but the truth of the defined semantics is as above

an agnostic is a branch of atheism

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other. "

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

"A bit surprised at the great man's funeral yesterday he was well know for his atheist believes not sure he would be comfortable with Eddie Redmayne's bible readings and the church service '"

great, great man!

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By *aptain BangalotMan
over a year ago

SW London

He’s faking his death. Putin is borrowing him to further develop isotopes to kill us with. I reckon we should send in a crack squad of mercenaries to rescue him.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

An agnostic is not a 'soft atheist'.

An atheist does not believe.

An agnostic is willing to believe in the face of evidence.

Atheist = No.

Agnostic = Maybe.

Believer - agnostic - atheist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rip you body has gone but your name shall live on

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By *BWandhusbandCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most."

Nope, as an atheist I'd like my family to still respect my wishes.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

An agnostic is not a 'soft atheist'.

An atheist does not believe.

An agnostic is willing to believe in the face of evidence.

Atheist = No.

Agnostic = Maybe.

Believer - agnostic - atheist.

I don't believe and call myself an atheist, but if a voice suddenly spoke from the sky asserting it was God and everyone else witnessed it, so I knew it wasn't an illusion, that for me would be compelling evidence and I would then believe.

I don't think there is any atheist who would not believe in the face of such compelling evidence, so does make us all really agnostics?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most.

Nope, as an atheist I'd like my family to still respect my wishes."

Indeed. I think it shows a huge amount of disrespect for the deceased to impose your beliefs on them when they are gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My family love a good sing song at a funeral, so there will be hymns.

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By *BWandhusbandCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most.

Nope, as an atheist I'd like my family to still respect my wishes.

Indeed. I think it shows a huge amount of disrespect for the deceased to impose your beliefs on them when they are gone. "

Absolutely. I've made it clear I want no funeral, just a quick cremation with nobody there. I've said they're quite welcome to have a party once it's all done, that's the only thing that is up to them.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

An agnostic is not a 'soft atheist'.

An atheist does not believe.

An agnostic is willing to believe in the face of evidence.

Atheist = No.

Agnostic = Maybe.

Believer - agnostic - atheist.

I don't think there is any atheist who would not believe in the face of such compelling evidence, so does make us all really agnostics?

No. I'm an atheist. I don't believe. However , if indisputable evidence came forward i'd be a believer. I'm an atheist and don't believe there will ever be proof.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most.

Nope, as an atheist I'd like my family to still respect my wishes.

Indeed. I think it shows a huge amount of disrespect for the deceased to impose your beliefs on them when they are gone.

As the people likely to be responsible are my kids who were brought up as and remain firm atheists, I am confident there will be none of this religious stuff when I kick the bucket....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of us know what this man wanted for his funeral and what arrangements he had made with his wife. As I don’ know them I certainly wouldn’t want to assume her to have gone against his wishes. I’ve also heard somewhere that he did attend church with her from time to time.

Mrs

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

"A bit surprised at the great man's funeral yesterday he was well know for his atheist believes not sure he would be comfortable with Eddie Redmayne's bible readings and the church service '"

The particular Bible reading was all about time, which seems relevant

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

"An atheist wouldn't care what was done or said after they were dead but would want whatever comforts their family most."

I've heard atheists say that... "you do what your by to do for your benefit, I don't care i'll be dead"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My family love a good sing song at a funeral, so there will be hymns. "

They could do Y.M.C.A.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"My family love a good sing song at a funeral, so there will be hymns.

They could do Y.M.C.A. "

No. D. I. S. C. O.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

An agnostic is not a 'soft atheist'.

An atheist does not believe.

An agnostic is willing to believe in the face of evidence.

Atheist = No.

Agnostic = Maybe.

Believer - agnostic - atheist.

simplistic and wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My family love a good sing song at a funeral, so there will be hymns. "

My mum was a Buddhist but quite enjoyed going to Christian church services because she loved to sing the hymns

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"QUOTE atheists have one thing in common , none of the human invented god concepts are convincing enough to take a stance of belief UNQUOTE

This is agnosticism according to me.

A without

theism belief in any current god concept

that's it

as you say some atheists are agnostic thus open to a thought that a god concept not currently in existence may one day be shown

and none agnostic atheists like myself who feel there is enough data to illustrate a creator cannot exist and cannot ever be shown to exist

I have very little doubt a more advanced alien exists within the cosmos but not a creator/god

You cannot be an agnostic atheist.

You are one or the other.

It's a common term, but probably more useful to call them soft atheists.

An agnostic or soft atheist is someone who doesn't definitely assert there is no God, but says the evidence is not sufficient to warrant belief in a God.

An hard atheist would be someone who definitely asserts there is no God.

An agnostic is not a 'soft atheist'.

An atheist does not believe.

An agnostic is willing to believe in the face of evidence.

Atheist = No.

Agnostic = Maybe.

Believer - agnostic - atheist.

simplistic and wrong "

Supporting evidence ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Or is it a case of cos you say so.

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