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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Obviously some will be, some will think they didn't go far enough.

Others will be a ashamed of the things done in their countries name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess not all Germans were nazis and many were simply soldiers doing their duty.

So I guess some are.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

I dunno.

I guess as proud as we are of what our great great great grandparents did when they were slaughtering their way to the British Empire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not.?

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

Don't tell him Pike!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that while we shouldn't forget the past the loss pain and sacrifice on both sides...

We should leave it in the past learn from it...

And try to create a better future

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I suppose it depends who their great grandfathers were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that while we shouldn't forget the past the loss pain and sacrifice on both sides...

We should leave it in the past learn from it...

And try to create a better future"

Perfectly said.

X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe that most Germans are deeply ashamed by the actions of their Grandfathers.

There is, like all communities, a small minority who believe otherwise but, you know, they are deranged.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

Good question op - but I think there are very few nations who can, hand on heart, say that they’ve done nothing throughout history that they should be ashamed of!

For instance, the way the Americans, Australians etc etc treated their indigenous populations!

In the case of Britain, I’d say the crusades weren’t exactly our finest hour, along with, as someone else said, the building of the British Empire! It could be argued that, other than the Holocaust, Hitler only tried to ape what Britain did centuries before!

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

I think that the majority of German people alive today must wonder when they will stop being blamed for the actions of their forefathers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that the majority of German people alive today must wonder when they will stop being blamed for the actions of their forefathers... "

That too.

Germans are among the most liberated people in the world.

I love German porn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nein.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?"

There's obviously a reason why you've singled out Germans here.

Especially when historically there are massive arseholes in most races/nationalities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe not. The same as some of us may not be proud of what our nation did during the boer war, the mao mao uprising or Indian famines.

Let's be glad we're all more cooperative these days ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that the majority of German people alive today must wonder when they will stop being blamed for the actions of their forefathers... "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?

There's obviously a reason why you've singled out Germans here.

Especially when historically there are massive arseholes in most races/nationalities.

"

Agreed!

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By *appy squirrelWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

there is a deep rooted sense of shame even now. you will hardly find a German that will tell you he is proud to be a German or who has the German flag on display.

people who were alive then we're pretty young now but it still a big topic. I know my grandfather still has nightmares about being in the army however does not want to talk about his own political views he held back then.

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By *entenTeaCouple
over a year ago

Buckley North Wales


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?"

Achieved! That has to be seen from numerous perspectives. I think they have pride in their engineering achievements as evidenced by new builds of Me262s, FW190s and restorations of Ju87s.

They are not in any way proud of how they fell under the spell of National Socalism or their communal duplicity in atrocities.

As for pride in service and the bond between service men? Bravery is bravery regardless of flag or uniform as is personal sacrifice. But pride in that cannot be assigned universally to the German people. That must remain for each individual to reconcile.

As the generation who fought or rebuilt fades away. The question that hangs in the heart. Is weather Germany's pennance is done. Or how many more generations will carry their forefather's guilt. I think it will never leave the national conscience. But I do think the children of the 90s are moving on with a lighter shared burden. That allows them to appreciate achivement and bravery with a clearer heart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best thing about this thread is seeing intelligent and deep discussions with a picture of arse and or tits next to them.

Only on fab!

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By *entenTeaCouple
over a year ago

Buckley North Wales


"Best thing about this thread is seeing intelligent and deep discussions with a picture of arse and or tits next to them.

Only on fab! "

Weve had many a deep conversation in a club's hot tub.

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By *itzhallMan
over a year ago

birchington

Vorsprung durch tecknik

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

...

Ja

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Best thing about this thread is seeing intelligent and deep discussions with a picture of arse and or tits next to them.

Only on fab!

Weve had many a deep conversation in a club's hot tub."

No truer word said

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"there is a deep rooted sense of shame even now. you will hardly find a German that will tell you he is proud to be a German or who has the German flag on display.

people who were alive then we're pretty young now but it still a big topic. I know my grandfather still has nightmares about being in the army however does not want to talk about his own political views he held back then."

That's not true, I go to Germany a lot and there are growing areas where they are very proud and fly the flag,

They might be on the fringe but they are there and at England v Germany games the flags come out on force

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?"

And do you think they'd have the same opinion if they'd won?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?

And do you think they'd have the same opinion if they'd won?"

Depends what their great grand father did during the war.

From my experience if he was a conscript who did his duty then Yes they'd be proud

If he took pleasure in being at a concentration camp then they are deeply ashamed and the same stands if they had won

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Are proud of what their great grandfathers achieved in ww2?

And do you think they'd have the same opinion if they'd won?"

It’s a tough one as so many were brainwashed into believing the hype and propaganda that Hitler spewed out . I understand he had a kind of crystal meth type drug which was given out and sold cheaply to the masses which helped them believe him . I did not recall the name , but they were very popular ....

Anyway , if they’d won , I think they would be very proud . They’ve always been a proud race anyway .

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By *iffaWoman
over a year ago

wherever

I saw a documentary once about the children or grandchildren of the worst nazis. Some choose to get sterilized to kill the line. It was sad they would go around to groups apologizing for them

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

For our generation it's probably fathers and grandfathers and from our experience they aren't proud.

Who can say how we'd all feel if they'd won. Usually the victors are proud of their achievements.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's not generally a proud memory, in my experience. Live now and be grateful that we've progressed in so many ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I guess not all Germans were nazis and many were simply soldiers doing their duty.

So I guess some are."
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Less than 7% of the population

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your question does make it sound a little like all Germans great grandfather's were willing participants.

My grandfather didn't join the army through choice and, if there was any way he could have avoided it he would. He was sent to the Russian front as a punishment for trying to avoid conscription because he didn't like the Nazis and, was never seen or heard of again.

My grandmother wasn't married, they didn't have time. Because she had my father out of wedlock, the Nazis took her away and forcibly sterilised her. My father grew up in an orphanage. At the end of the war she was liberated by the British army, they also helped to reunite her with her son, my father. She ended up marrying one of the British soldiers that helped her and, when his tour of duty ended a few years later they all moved to England.

Some of the people in Germany at the time were just normal people that had no choice, some of them were Nazis. I think it is important to differentiate. My German side of the family have no love of Nazis and more than one member suffered under them. I am extremely proud of my grandfather for resisting them until he could resist no longer and for eventually paying the ultimate price. I am also very proud of my grandmother for her strength and courage and not letting them break her spirit and humour.

My wife's father, although the circumstances were different, fought for the British army in the tank regiment. I am also very proud of him.

My German family and friends are lovely warm friendly people.

It's not a black and white life. We should learn from the past, live in the present and look positively towards the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Germans grew up with a deep hate of the Bolsheviks, they were to the Germans what Nazis are to us, the vast majority of Germans signed up to fight them, everything else was the agenda of the 7%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Javol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's why the Nazi party had to hide things from their own people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think most German civilians were between a rock and a hard place. Us one side, the Nazis on the other!

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By *uddlybear2015Man
over a year ago

BEDFORD

As someone with jewish heritage, I can honestly say I have no problem with Germans,I will,however, til my dying day despise fascism and its many twisted faces. The opening of borders to refugees is an action all Germans should be proud of.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"Your question does make it sound a little like all Germans great grandfather's were willing participants.

My grandfather didn't join the army through choice and, if there was any way he could have avoided it he would. He was sent to the Russian front as a punishment for trying to avoid conscription because he didn't like the Nazis and, was never seen or heard of again.

My grandmother wasn't married, they didn't have time. Because she had my father out of wedlock, the Nazis took her away and forcibly sterilised her. My father grew up in an orphanage. At the end of the war she was liberated by the British army, they also helped to reunite her with her son, my father. She ended up marrying one of the British soldiers that helped her and, when his tour of duty ended a few years later they all moved to England.

Some of the people in Germany at the time were just normal people that had no choice, some of them were Nazis. I think it is important to differentiate. My German side of the family have no love of Nazis and more than one member suffered under them. I am extremely proud of my grandfather for resisting them until he could resist no longer and for eventually paying the ultimate price. I am also very proud of my grandmother for her strength and courage and not letting them break her spirit and humour.

My wife's father, although the circumstances were different, fought for the British army in the tank regiment. I am also very proud of him.

My German family and friends are lovely warm friendly people.

It's not a black and white life. We should learn from the past, live in the present and look positively towards the future."

This guy's family shows how complicated history really is.

But people comparing the crusades or even the empire are being disingenuous to the people of the time.

You cannot judge those people by todays standards.

People back then knew no different but by the 1930, people knew it was wrong to slaughter women and children...

Saying that, unfortunately I don't actually think it would be that hard to get people to resort to Nazi like actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your question does make it sound a little like all Germans great grandfather's were willing participants.

My grandfather didn't join the army through choice and, if there was any way he could have avoided it he would. He was sent to the Russian front as a punishment for trying to avoid conscription because he didn't like the Nazis and, was never seen or heard of again.

My grandmother wasn't married, they didn't have time. Because she had my father out of wedlock, the Nazis took her away and forcibly sterilised her. My father grew up in an orphanage. At the end of the war she was liberated by the British army, they also helped to reunite her with her son, my father. She ended up marrying one of the British soldiers that helped her and, when his tour of duty ended a few years later they all moved to England.

Some of the people in Germany at the time were just normal people that had no choice, some of them were Nazis. I think it is important to differentiate. My German side of the family have no love of Nazis and more than one member suffered under them. I am extremely proud of my grandfather for resisting them until he could resist no longer and for eventually paying the ultimate price. I am also very proud of my grandmother for her strength and courage and not letting them break her spirit and humour.

My wife's father, although the circumstances were different, fought for the British army in the tank regiment. I am also very proud of him.

My German family and friends are lovely warm friendly people.

It's not a black and white life. We should learn from the past, live in the present and look positively towards the future.

This guy's family shows how complicated history really is.

But people comparing the crusades or even the empire are being disingenuous to the people of the time.

You cannot judge those people by todays standards.

People back then knew no different but by the 1930, people knew it was wrong to slaughter women and children...

Saying that, unfortunately I don't actually think it would be that hard to get people to resort to Nazi like actions."

So your saying by the 20th century people knew better and the slaughter of women and children was wrong.So we can't compare the Atlantic slave trade because it was a further back in time.

Interesting view if history you have.Youll find that future generations will just us as harsh as we judge the past.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I think for a lot of people their pride in their grand parents would come from how their grandparents where as individuals and their actions as individuals, not their role durring WW2. It's easy to beat the German nation up for excesses of the Nazis. But Germans are not some kind of villainous race. You have to look at historical context that allowed the Nazis to take power and then the situation once the Nazis where in power. Ask yourself with both control of information and the power to crush oppersition brutally would would you have stood up and resisted the Nazis? I bet most of us would like to think we would have but I suspect the likelyness is that most of us (like most Germans) wouldn't have. It's very rich to judge the normal German of the time without experiencing things in their shoes.

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea


"Obviously some will be, some will think they didn't go far enough.

Others will be a ashamed of the things done in their countries name."

This ^^^^^ ses it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work alongside lots of Germans. I consider many to be friends, funnily enough I never have the need to mention the war.

I always remember my dad saying he didn’t hate the Germans as those lads were in exactly the same situation as him. Following orders passed down by politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no opinion either way. Because for the German soldiers it was a case of do or die every soldier on the ground was a victim...Who are we to judge them, when we've never lived through those times.

All I know is the effects of the holocaust will have impacted on every one in one way shape or form. I.G Farben, the chemical companies commissioned to make Zyklon B, became very rich.

Liquidised because of it's association to the hoocaust, several companies were formed, notable ones including BASF,Agfa and Bayer. We've all used their products. Companies built on blood money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no opinion either way. Because for the German soldiers it was a case of do or die every soldier on the ground was a victim...Who are we to judge them, when we've never lived through those times.

All I know is the effects of the holocaust will have impacted on every one in one way shape or form. I.G Farben, the chemical companies commissioned to make Zyklon B, became very rich.

Liquidised because of it's association to the hoocaust, several companies were formed, notable ones including BASF,Agfa and Bayer. We've all used their products. Companies built on blood money.

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I think if you in financially benefit from the crimes of your ancestors then there is case to be answered and reparations to be paid.The UK and Germany do have a very large bill to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good question op - but I think there are very few nations who can, hand on heart, say that they’ve done nothing throughout history that they should be ashamed of!

For instance, the way the Americans, Australians etc etc treated their indigenous populations!

In the case of Britain, I’d say the crusades weren’t exactly our finest hour, along with, as someone else said, the building of the British Empire! It could be argued that, other than the Holocaust, Hitler only tried to ape what Britain did centuries before! "

I think Ireland has almost a clean record in terms how we treated other countries as a whole.

In terms of invasion Ireland never invaded another country but still have a shameful past when it comes to how people were treated under a religiously controlled country but we can hold our hands up invasion wise haha

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"I think that the majority of German people alive today must wonder when they will stop being blamed for the actions of their forefathers...

That too.

Germans are among the most liberated people in the world.

I love German porn. "
No sense of humour though..I'm still awaiting the first ever German stand up

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think that the majority of German people alive today must wonder when they will stop being blamed for the actions of their forefathers...

That too.

Germans are among the most liberated people in the world.

I love German porn. No sense of humour though..I'm still awaiting the first ever German stand up "

Henning Wehn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some interesting comments on here but there is one thing that holds true throughout history :-

"If there's one thing that history teaches us - it's that history NEVER teaches us."

It will happen again. People also tend to focus on the evils of Hitler and the ultra right. Don't forget that Mao Zedong and Stalin are number 1 and 2 in respect of mass killings - beating Hitler by a long chalk (Chairman Mao killing around 60 million people - mainly his own - in relatively recent times).

It's important not to sit too comfy - you can feel "feel" things building again i.e. the Russian bear awakening, the uprise in nationalism across Europe as a backlash to mass immigration. You only have to know about history to see that we never learn - in my opinion we are now in exceedingly dangerous times with regard to a possible major war.

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