FabSwingers.com forum: Gender pay gap, con?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are we being deliberately conned on the gender pay gap?

Seems to me that by totalling up the numbers and dividing by confused averages there is a lot of white noise being generated, perhaps to prevent action?

Your thoughts please...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just work it per hour and fair is fair old chap

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But they are comparing the CEO to shelf stackers, so they can turn around and say give it another 50 years.

Comparing male and female actors who are self employed and negotiate via agents to catering staff on the set... hiding any real differences behind white noise of extremes.

Makes a sham of the whole process really.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There are many cuts of the numbers and they show pay differential, with outliers excluded.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth

"But they are comparing the CEO to shelf stackers, so they can turn around and say give it another 50 years.

Comparing male and female actors who are self employed and negotiate via agents to catering staff on the set... hiding any real differences behind white noise of extremes.

Makes a sham of the whole process really."

But they’re not though, are they? They’re comparing everyone, finding the mean and the median and then identifying if there is a significant difference.

The CEO, one bloke, earning an of his rocker amount doesn’t have much impact. But a top chain of command full of high earning blokes with no women, or few woman, starts to paint a picture of your level of equality.

They’re not always used to paint bad pictures either. Ours doesn’t - it shows an interesting landscape which you’d pretty much expect for how we operate but it’s isnt a bad news story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we being deliberately conned on the gender pay gap?

Seems to me that by totalling up the numbers and dividing by confused averages there is a lot of white noise being generated, perhaps to prevent action?

Your thoughts please..."

Where are they doing this calculation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only industry where women get paid considerably more than men is the sex industry!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only industry where women get paid considerably more than men is the sex industry!

And do you see us men whinging and whining about it?.... no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If women really did earn less, why wouldn’t companies just hire women to save money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If women really did earn less, why wouldn’t companies just hire women to save money?"

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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"The only industry where women get paid considerably more than men is the sex industry!

And do you see us men whinging and whining about it?.... no"

O love that comment riprock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we being deliberately conned on the gender pay gap?

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason many women still end up earning less is because they still often are the ones who take time out to have children. The majority go part time for a while then too. And you just can’t catch up those lost years in an industry. Not sure it’s a solvable problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?"

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set? "

Dont you mean "both" genders,so my question still stands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set?

Dont you mean "both" genders,so my question still stands"

I don’t really get your point? A job is set a salary , so it should be paid equally to anyone that does that role. Are you saying men are overpaid in roles ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set?

Dont you mean "both" genders,so my question still stands

I don’t really get your point? A job is set a salary , so it should be paid equally to anyone that does that role. Are you saying men are overpaid in roles ?"

Isnt this the debate? That men get paid more than women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I’m a courier and male, female couriers get paid the same rate

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have not looked in detail at the numbers being published only the headlines. But it is of no interest what the gender pay gap is over 10,000 employees doing different jobs. Give the CEO's wife or daughter a PA job over pay her by 900% and problem goes away.

The only figure of interest is what people are paid for doing each job description. Is there a pay gap between admin staff, or technicians etc. If so justify it.

I don't care that male actors get more than female actors. They are usually self employed and will get whatever their agents can negotiate. But researchers... that's a different story.

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By *lay-full-funCouple
over a year ago

stockport

Where I work you start a the same pay rate but that changes when we get our pay rise as it is set on performance. So we will never be on the same pay rate

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

It’s illegal not to pay the same for the same job. I’m not sure how they get their figures. A woman who goes on maternity leave isn’t guaranteed her job back. She can be offered another at the same pay scale. Often women struggle to get promotion because of career breaks. I have a female CEO and several female directors. Many are career women who don’t have families.

It’s difficult to compare jobs such as acting as their salary is linked to their reputation and how much of a draw they will be to an audience. Different companies will pay CEOs different salaries depending on what they can afford.

We can’t change the fact that women go on maternity leave or tend to take a drop in earnings to go part time to look after kids. I think at times it’s a con and we should be told what they are actually comparing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set?

Dont you mean "both" genders,so my question still stands

I don’t really get your point? A job is set a salary , so it should be paid equally to anyone that does that role. Are you saying men are overpaid in roles ?

Isnt this the debate? That men get paid more than women? "

But you said should men get a pay cut?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Child care will hit salary no matter how its handled. When my wife died I had to take a promotion but to a desk job so I wasn't out on the road, and could get home when needed with a substantial hit to my pay.

Only way to get back where I was when the children got older was to take more risk and work as a contractor.

For most families children will hinder at least one parents career prospects, and the majority is women. So equality in the board room or other top salary jobs will be unlikely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im confused with all this equal pay being spoke about.

To make it equal do women want the men to take a pay drop or do the women want a pay rise?

Don’t they just want all genders paid the same if they have the same skill set?

Dont you mean "both" genders,so my question still stands

I don’t really get your point? A job is set a salary , so it should be paid equally to anyone that does that role. Are you saying men are overpaid in roles ?

Isnt this the debate? That men get paid more than women?

But you said should men get a pay cut? "

Read what i said again

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By *wesomeSauce!Man
over a year ago

Brighton

I have doubts there is a gender pay gap in all but a few industries. I don't think I have ever seen it in my career, although I can't say for sure.

I do know that even though the industry I work in is male dominated (I think due to the fact it's *generally* more interesting to males) I have had as many female bosses as men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all depends on how the information is collected and processed.

I could use the information given and use it to suit my purpose.

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon."

The point I'm trying to make is that statistics can be manipulated while still being true.

If there were only 100 cars on the uk roads and all cars were either blue or red. There are 51 blue cars and 49 red cars

51% of cars on the road are blue.

A majority of all cars are blue

There are only 2 fewer red cars than blue.

All statements are true, but depending on what you're agenda is will depend which statement you'd use.

I'm sure that overall based on average mens wages will be higher overall. I'm sure mens average hourly wage will be higher (but not my such a great margin). But I think that there will be a marginal difference either way if you compare like for like jobs...male/female cleaners, male/female lorry drivers, male/female chemists I bet there is a minor difference at worst. The one profession I'll say there is a huge disparity in would be professional sports people.....and that is wrong.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon.

The point I'm trying to make is that statistics can be manipulated while still being true.

If there were only 100 cars on the uk roads and all cars were either blue or red. There are 51 blue cars and 49 red cars

51% of cars on the road are blue.

A majority of all cars are blue

There are only 2 fewer red cars than blue.

All statements are true, but depending on what you're agenda is will depend which statement you'd use.

All sports should be mixed. That's the only time prize funds would be fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All sports should be mixed. That's the only time prize funds would be fair. "

It'll make shower time more fun too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon.

The point I'm trying to make is that statistics can be manipulated while still being true.

If there were only 100 cars on the uk roads and all cars were either blue or red. There are 51 blue cars and 49 red cars

51% of cars on the road are blue.

A majority of all cars are blue

There are only 2 fewer red cars than blue.

All statements are true, but depending on what you're agenda is will depend which statement you'd use.

All sports should be mixed. That's the only time prize funds would be fair. "
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Who's the top earning MMA fighter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The majority of jobs in which there is a gender pay gap are done by a tiny minority of the working population. Plus, it's all private sector so take it up with them.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it"

If you don't mind saying.... what do you do?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

My attitude to this is a set pay rate across the board.

Everything is set for people of a certain profession, regardless of sex. Only thing that can alter it is professional qualifications, if they are required for that specific job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon.

The point I'm trying to make is that statistics can be manipulated while still being true.

If there were only 100 cars on the uk roads and all cars were either blue or red. There are 51 blue cars and 49 red cars

51% of cars on the road are blue.

A majority of all cars are blue

There are only 2 fewer red cars than blue.

All statements are true, but depending on what you're agenda is will depend which statement you'd use.

All sports should be mixed. That's the only time prize funds would be fair. .

Who's the top earning MMA fighter?"

If it isn't Connor McGregor I'd be surprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

If you don't mind saying.... what do you do?"

Facilities management

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

If you don't mind saying.... what do you do?

Facilities management"

Thought that type of job was pay scale based....not a lot of wiggle room for gender biases....or am I off the mark?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

If you don't mind saying.... what do you do?

Facilities management

Thought that type of job was pay scale based....not a lot of wiggle room for gender biases....or am I off the mark?"

In the corporate world a scale would be followed. However I work for a charity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a man did my job he would likely be paid more. I'd hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

If you don't mind saying.... what do you do?

Facilities management

Thought that type of job was pay scale based....not a lot of wiggle room for gender biases....or am I off the mark?

In the corporate world a scale would be followed. However I work for a charity.

Ah.... they'll pay as little to whoever they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A woman's work is never done, and that's why you get paid less

Seriously the gender pay gap reminds me of cock measuring.

Soft from the top

Soft from underneath

Hard from the top

Hard from underneath

From the side

Stick it in your belly button them measure from navel to cock

All the ways you can measure brings results that suit the rhetoric of some, and not others.

Women choose in general different career paths and take time out of their careers to have children, and that's not the fault of the patriarchy, it's biology

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon."

Thank you. It’s frustrating how people over-simplify an issue that is complex and then negate it on that limited understanding. Much like the comparison of a country’s economics to an individual’s simple budget incoming/outgoings - that’s not the same! Gahhhh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The majority of jobs in which there is a gender pay gap are done by a tiny minority of the working population. Plus, it's all private sector so take it up with them....."

No it isn't. I create them in bureau for public and private sector. Different snapshot date is all. About 25% have higher paid women, about 75 men paid more - broadly in line with broadsheet analysis of released figures.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Is the gender paygap between men and women in like for like jobs? Are we talking an hourly rate or an overall wage?

If you actually want to know, use the internet and find the studies that have shown a wage gap. This issue has been properly researched, it's not just something some feminists made up one afternoon.

The point I'm trying to make is that statistics can be manipulated while still being true.

If there were only 100 cars on the uk roads and all cars were either blue or red. There are 51 blue cars and 49 red cars

51% of cars on the road are blue.

A majority of all cars are blue

There are only 2 fewer red cars than blue.

All statements are true, but depending on what you're agenda is will depend which statement you'd use.

All sports should be mixed. That's the only time prize funds would be fair. .

Who's the top earning MMA fighter?"

No idea.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I think we are more conned by the deep cutural, expectational and systemic reasons for the gender pay gap rather conned about its existance. I both agree there is a gap in a broader sense and that simplistic assumptions based on broad data misleads the nature of the gender pay gap. I don't think on a whole women are getting paid less based on the same hours, experiance, lifestyle choices and grade. Something that is lost by those whole simplistic spouting of such stuff like women get paid 80p to ever pound than men make, or crap to that effect. I think this narrative disguises the deep routed way our society is set that is the real cause. Men and women are raised and treated differently from what I can see. This has an impact on their expectations, career choices, their roles in family life, the life decisions they make or are expected to make. The gender pay gap to me seems far less about some evil scheme to deliberately pay women less and more an issuse of societal norms that are deep routed in all of us that have an effect on women in the workplace. I don't believe in equality of out come, which I fear this simplistic model of the gender pay gap promotes. But I do like equality of oppertunity and for that we'd need to totally rip up the very nature of how our society treats men and women. Easier said than done when a society has formulated over 100s of years. There not quick fix for this but to say women are simply paid less than men for the same work on the whole is just as stupid as saying men and women are viewed and treated the same.

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