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"I went to Middlesbrough once, Derby won 3-0 "Then you went to middlehaven. ..to watch it.  | |||
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"I went to Middlesbrough once, Derby won 3-0
Then you went to middlehaven. ..to watch it. "Not a clue where Middlehaven is, but we went to Ayresome Park, and a couple of pubs in the local vicinity. Quite a few years ago I might add | |||
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"I went to Middlesbrough once, Derby won 3-0
Then you went to middlehaven. ..to watch it.
Not a clue where Middlehaven is, but we went to Ayresome Park, and a couple of pubs in the local vicinity. Quite a few years ago I might add "Ah that was a good while back before we moved to the riverside park stadium. What is your opinion on the op though? | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? " About as many people who want to eat spelt | |||
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"Anyway MD...... If all the unemployed got jobs wtf would happen to the economy ? Maybe there's a reason they are allowed to wallow. " Starlight to the point granny 
But it's far more complex then that as you will know..it's more about how it got that way and what is going to happen to change this...it didn't happen overnight | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website " Because it's VERY important to know if the person you are swinging with is going to smell of spelt and cous cous or pot noodle. It has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get a stiffy, keep it and use it as a baton on a post sex run. | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website Because it's VERY important to know if the person you are swinging with is going to smell of spelt and cous cous or pot noodle. It has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get a stiffy, keep it and use it as a baton on a post sex run. " Indeed I need to know that my sexual partners have healthy bowels. I shall be monitoring this thread very closely. | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website " This is the Lounge forum, we all talk bollocks and all kinds of shit on here. There is a Swingers forum as well ya know | |||
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"Anyway MD...... If all the unemployed got jobs wtf would happen to the economy ? Maybe there's a reason they are allowed to wallow. Starlight to the point granny
But it's far more complex then that as you will know..it's more about how it got that way and what is going to happen to change this...it didn't happen overnight "None of us will have jobs in a few decades. It'll all be robots and eventually just computers. Today's have nots will pine for the good old days of chasing the dragon in damp ridden dens littered with used battered fish finger boxes. In less quiet moments they will be too busy avoiding being zapped by killer drones manufactured for the sole reason of tracking human rats through dark, dimly lit soil lined warrens; the final vestige of the prols. | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? About as many people who want to eat spelt" or avocado  | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? " Fecking phone playing up and just crashed.. We know all about the healthy eating and exercise granny...but surely there should be more government interaction to prevent this. I don't suspect any of the people with the low life expectancy chose that. I could harp back to when Liverpool was a shit hole...but now it is one of my favourite cities to visit...that didn't happen on its own did it? | |||
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"Anyway MD...... If all the unemployed got jobs wtf would happen to the economy ? Maybe there's a reason they are allowed to wallow. Starlight to the point granny
But it's far more complex then that as you will know..it's more about how it got that way and what is going to happen to change this...it didn't happen overnight
None of us will have jobs in a few decades. It'll all be robots and eventually just computers.
Today's have nots will pine for the good old days of chasing the dragon in damp ridden dens littered with used battered fish finger boxes. In less quiet moments they will be too busy avoiding being zapped by killer drones manufactured for the sole reason of tracking human rats through dark, dimly lit soil lined warrens; the final vestige of the prols. "What the actual fuck have you been reading Granny?   | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website Because it's VERY important to know if the person you are swinging with is going to smell of spelt and cous cous or pot noodle. It has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get a stiffy, keep it and use it as a baton on a post sex run. Indeed I need to know that my sexual partners have healthy bowels. I shall be monitoring this thread very closely. " Just ask admin to add a feature to filter out teesside then  | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website " I think ace give you your answer to this.. | |||
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"Anyway MD...... If all the unemployed got jobs wtf would happen to the economy ? Maybe there's a reason they are allowed to wallow. Starlight to the point granny
But it's far more complex then that as you will know..it's more about how it got that way and what is going to happen to change this...it didn't happen overnight
None of us will have jobs in a few decades. It'll all be robots and eventually just computers.
Today's have nots will pine for the good old days of chasing the dragon in damp ridden dens littered with used battered fish finger boxes. In less quiet moments they will be too busy avoiding being zapped by killer drones manufactured for the sole reason of tracking human rats through dark, dimly lit soil lined warrens; the final vestige of the prols. "Your watching to much sci fi.. | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website Because it's VERY important to know if the person you are swinging with is going to smell of spelt and cous cous or pot noodle. It has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get a stiffy, keep it and use it as a baton on a post sex run. Indeed I need to know that my sexual partners have healthy bowels. I shall be monitoring this thread very closely. Just ask admin to add a feature to filter out teesside then "Is there alot of constipation up there? | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. " What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better?" Then you need to learn a skill. | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. " What if you have no capability to learn something skilled? Who would do all the shitty, menial jobs if everyone moved up out of the low paid jobs? | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. What if you have no capability to learn something skilled? Who would do all the shitty, menial jobs if everyone moved up out of the low paid jobs? " How can you learn a skill if you're spending all your time working menial jobs, to pay your bills and live? | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. What if you have no capability to learn something skilled? Who would do all the shitty, menial jobs if everyone moved up out of the low paid jobs? " Surely those same jobs need to be done in areas of the country with a higher life expectancy. | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. What if you have no capability to learn something skilled? Who would do all the shitty, menial jobs if everyone moved up out of the low paid jobs? " I still fail to see how this is the government's fault. | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. What if you have no capability to learn something skilled? Who would do all the shitty, menial jobs if everyone moved up out of the low paid jobs? Surely those same jobs need to be done in areas of the country with a higher life expectancy. " They work in those areas, they don't live in them. Can you imagine Mrs Smythe cleaning the toilets at the local school or hospital? | |||
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"What has this got to do with swinging or sex of any sort? Try Twitter or some other conspiracy website Because it's VERY important to know if the person you are swinging with is going to smell of spelt and cous cous or pot noodle. It has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get a stiffy, keep it and use it as a baton on a post sex run. Indeed I need to know that my sexual partners have healthy bowels. I shall be monitoring this thread very closely. Just ask admin to add a feature to filter out teesside then
Is there alot of constipation up there? "Nah I'm the opposite | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. " And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
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"Thousands of people work in crappy jobs in Central London. I doubt any of them live there. " Pretty much like Man U fans then | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
"You're right. Easier to give up and demand society does it all for you. | |||
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" People walk across Europe to get the opportunity to work in this country, and create a better life for them and their families. But some people won't leave Middlehaven... Those that work for a living, and those who expect one given to them. " When the wage your country pays is 3 or 4 times less then the uks minimum wage I get that...I think most up here would travel for that incentive | |||
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" People walk across Europe to get the opportunity to work in this country, and create a better life for them and their families. But some people won't leave Middlehaven... Those that work for a living, and those who expect one given to them. When the wage your country pays is 3 or 4 times less then the uks minimum wage I get that...I think most up here would travel for that incentive "So the artificially high minimum wage has ruined people's life expectancy eh? Who knew! | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
You're right. Easier to give up and demand society does it all for you. "The giving up Does not happen overnight...and not all do as myself I'm OK. ..and thank god I'm not over opinionated. . | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
You're right. Easier to give up and demand society does it all for you.
The giving up Does not happen overnight...and not all do as myself I'm OK. ..and thank god I'm not over opinionated. . "Agreed | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
You're right. Easier to give up and demand society does it all for you. "How do you know people give up? They may be getting lots of rejections, because other people will work for less than they can afford to accept. | |||
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"Try harder at school,or go back to it. Move to where your skill set is needed,or learn another one. Don't expect the government to spoon feed you. What if, now matter how hard you try at school, you can't do any better? Then you need to learn a skill. And when you do and 100s are applying for that one available job
You're right. Easier to give up and demand society does it all for you.
How do you know people give up? They may be getting lots of rejections, because other people will work for less than they can afford to accept. "If you live somewhere with no jobs and no prospects that you know is killing you, but you stay anyway. You've given up. Imo. | |||
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"Any how clem I've got to get back to work my little empire...I'd like to say it's been good to chat to you...but.." You get like this everytime someone offers a different point of view. I'm sorry the government isn't sending lots of money to you all. You sound very deserving. | |||
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But seriously OP yes it’s sad. Life choices and life chances not everyone will pick the right path. The government has implemented many campaigns but what happens when they do? The ones who take note are those with the life chances that are already taking the right path, further increasing their life expectancy. I have no idea what the answer is and I don’t want to be controlled by government interventions to promote longevity  | |||
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"Maybe we need to look at this the opposite way. Shorten the lives of the affluent. Raise their cholesterol levels and stress them out. Make way for the younger generation and reduce the amount paid out in pensions. Make more jobs available as we won’t be working until we’re 67! " Trouble is, there won't be much employment, as people get displaced by IT, artificial intelligence, robots etc. Maybe those behind the scenes will be planning a more comprehensive culling? | |||
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"Maybe we need to look at this the opposite way. Shorten the lives of the affluent. Raise their cholesterol levels and stress them out. Make way for the younger generation and reduce the amount paid out in pensions. Make more jobs available as we won’t be working until we’re 67! Trouble is, there won't be much employment, as people get displaced by IT, artificial intelligence, robots etc. Maybe those behind the scenes will be planning a more comprehensive culling? "What with all the superstores and chain stores being closed down, because people are ordering from Amazon- who treat their pickers like slaves and work them until they fall down. Then send parcels out with delivery people who get 3 minutes to deliver each parcel. | |||
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"Maybe we need to look at this the opposite way. Shorten the lives of the affluent. Raise their cholesterol levels and stress them out. Make way for the younger generation and reduce the amount paid out in pensions. Make more jobs available as we won’t be working until we’re 67! Trouble is, there won't be much employment, as people get displaced by IT, artificial intelligence, robots etc. Maybe those behind the scenes will be planning a more comprehensive culling? "We'll need more medical and care staff to cope with the ill. | |||
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"Maybe we need to look at this the opposite way. Shorten the lives of the affluent. Raise their cholesterol levels and stress them out. Make way for the younger generation and reduce the amount paid out in pensions. Make more jobs available as we won’t be working until we’re 67! Trouble is, there won't be much employment, as people get displaced by IT, artificial intelligence, robots etc. Maybe those behind the scenes will be planning a more comprehensive culling? "You'll always need plumbers. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa." I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. | |||
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"Any how clem I've got to get back to work my little empire...I'd like to say it's been good to chat to you...but.. You get like this everytime someone offers a different point of view. I'm sorry the government isn't sending lots of money to you all. You sound very deserving. "Aw sorry clem...but us lot up here have to get on with life and work when it calls...can't afford to be talking to you all day. Debates are great but the only problem is your so predictable in your views I do get a little bored with all the controversy you try to create. ..so yeah I do tend to avoid a debate with you
But just this time I will reply 
There is a massive gap in regional health issues in this country due to various cuts and the way areas vote imo.
Most towns and cities have sink areas in them and something needs to be done to alter this...what it is I'm unsure as yet. But no we aren't all out with a begging bowl up here...all we are asking for is a level playing field.
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. " It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution." Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. " Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... | |||
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"How should any government fix this situation? " It's not just governments. ..local councils have a lot to answer for! | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. " I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere..." Like id let myself down. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. " Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky." I don't think it was much to do with luck. Lucky is winning the lottery. Learning to tie your shoe lace isn't lucky it's using a skill you learned after putting time and effort into a problem. People don't usually graduate with a first through luck. It's effort. The government is shit. So don't rely on it to help you, help yourself. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed..." No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. " Norman Tebbit would be proud of you, is that where you picked up the bike riding habit? | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky. I don't think it was much to do with luck. Lucky is winning the lottery. Learning to tie your shoe lace isn't lucky it's using a skill you learned after putting time and effort into a problem. People don't usually graduate with a first through luck. It's effort. The government is shit. So don't rely on it to help you, help yourself. " I’m not entirely disagreeing, until your last two sentences. If the government is shit, put some effort in there too. The government has a purpose and function and there should be effort from both sides. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky. I don't think it was much to do with luck. Lucky is winning the lottery. Learning to tie your shoe lace isn't lucky it's using a skill you learned after putting time and effort into a problem. People don't usually graduate with a first through luck. It's effort. The government is shit. So don't rely on it to help you, help yourself. I’m not entirely disagreeing, until your last two sentences. If the government is shit, put some effort in there too. The government has a purpose and function and there should be effort from both sides." You don't think people should help themselves? | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky. I don't think it was much to do with luck. Lucky is winning the lottery. Learning to tie your shoe lace isn't lucky it's using a skill you learned after putting time and effort into a problem. People don't usually graduate with a first through luck. It's effort. The government is shit. So don't rely on it to help you, help yourself. I’m not entirely disagreeing, until your last two sentences. If the government is shit, put some effort in there too. The government has a purpose and function and there should be effort from both sides. You don't think people should help themselves? " There’s no point answering that as you’re purposefully misinterpreting my words. Xx | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. Norman Tebbit would be proud of you, is that where you picked up the bike riding habit? " Should i feel ashamed for trying to keep myself employed? | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. I didn’t say those two points did though, I said the fact they paid off was lucky. I don't think it was much to do with luck. Lucky is winning the lottery. Learning to tie your shoe lace isn't lucky it's using a skill you learned after putting time and effort into a problem. People don't usually graduate with a first through luck. It's effort. The government is shit. So don't rely on it to help you, help yourself. I’m not entirely disagreeing, until your last two sentences. If the government is shit, put some effort in there too. The government has a purpose and function and there should be effort from both sides. You don't think people should help themselves? There’s no point answering that as you’re purposefully misinterpreting my words. Xx" Hold on, are you saying you disagreed with the last 2 sentences or agreed? | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it." I think you have missed my point in the op clem...this is not about you or me. It is about whole areas where things are going massively wrong! I don't have the answers to how to deal with it....but some intervention needs to happen once it has been identified this is happening..I won't as if you agree as I know it's very unlikely.. | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it. I think you have missed my point in the op clem...this is not about you or me. It is about whole areas where things are going massively wrong! I don't have the answers to how to deal with it....but some intervention needs to happen once it has been identified this is happening..I won't as if you agree as I know it's very unlikely.." I agree. Stop all immigration until our own nationals are in valued jobs and careers. If people aren't allowed into the country to provide cheap labour then the price of labour must go up. | |||
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"A similar stat is used for the Jubilee Tube line or different bus routes in London. It's not a north/south thing. " In Southampton it was "Are you East or West of the Itchin?" | |||
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it. I think you have missed my point in the op clem...this is not about you or me. It is about whole areas where things are going massively wrong! I don't have the answers to how to deal with it....but some intervention needs to happen once it has been identified this is happening..I won't as if you agree as I know it's very unlikely.. I agree. Stop all immigration until our own nationals are in valued jobs and careers. If people aren't allowed into the country to provide cheap labour then the price of labour must go up. " Pick me up of the fecking floor
But on immigration I'm not getting in to that one as its way too complex on its own...but I do believe it is part of the problem....but not the whole remedy to this.
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it. I think you have missed my point in the op clem...this is not about you or me. It is about whole areas where things are going massively wrong! I don't have the answers to how to deal with it....but some intervention needs to happen once it has been identified this is happening..I won't as if you agree as I know it's very unlikely.. I agree. Stop all immigration until our own nationals are in valued jobs and careers. If people aren't allowed into the country to provide cheap labour then the price of labour must go up. Pick me up of the fecking floor
But on immigration I'm not getting in to that one as its way too complex on its own...but I do believe it is part of the problem....but not the whole remedy to this.
Ffs I've agreed too"Its not rocket science is it? Its supply and demand. If there's millions of un skilled workers then the wages will be low. If you want the wage and percentage of jobs per head to rise then you need the number of workers to fall. The establishment will only ever worry when thousands of lawyers, Politicians, civil servants and councillors all come to the UK and say "I'll do that job for 25k". | |||
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"Anyway MD...... If all the unemployed got jobs wtf would happen to the economy ? Maybe there's a reason they are allowed to wallow. Starlight to the point granny
But it's far more complex then that as you will know..it's more about how it got that way and what is going to happen to change this...it didn't happen overnight
None of us will have jobs in a few decades. It'll all be robots and eventually just computers.
Today's have nots will pine for the good old days of chasing the dragon in damp ridden dens littered with used battered fish finger boxes. In less quiet moments they will be too busy avoiding being zapped by killer drones manufactured for the sole reason of tracking human rats through dark, dimly lit soil lined warrens; the final vestige of the prols.
What the actual fuck have you been reading Granny? "The Daily Dystopian. | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? Fecking phone playing up and just crashed.. We know all about the healthy eating and exercise granny...but surely there should be more government interaction to prevent this. I don't suspect any of the people with the low life expectancy chose that. I could harp back to when Liverpool was a shit hole...but now it is one of my favourite cities to visit...that didn't happen on its own did it? " No. I guess it didn't. Did someone drag you here ? | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? Fecking phone playing up and just crashed.. We know all about the healthy eating and exercise granny...but surely there should be more government interaction to prevent this. I don't suspect any of the people with the low life expectancy chose that. I could harp back to when Liverpool was a shit hole...but now it is one of my favourite cities to visit...that didn't happen on its own did it? No. I guess it didn't. Did someone drag you here ?" No and I went in man mode..not drag | |||
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"Do you all know how expensive quinoa is? If im in Waitrose. Yes." Fucking liberty! | |||
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"Do you all know how expensive quinoa is? If im in Waitrose. Yes. Fucking liberty!" Oh I read that in the voice of Nan, the Catherine Tate character | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? Fecking phone playing up and just crashed.. We know all about the healthy eating and exercise granny...but surely there should be more government interaction to prevent this. I don't suspect any of the people with the low life expectancy chose that. I could harp back to when Liverpool was a shit hole...but now it is one of my favourite cities to visit...that didn't happen on its own did it? No. I guess it didn't. Did someone drag you here ? No and I went in man mode..not drag "Oh ffs ! I REALLY missed the drag opportunity. I'm tired from digging all the tunnels. I wanna change sides. | |||
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"A similar stat is used for the Jubilee Tube line or different bus routes in London. It's not a north/south thing. Where I live Estate Agents call my side of the hill the rich side. It's quite laughable really. " I might link my ting from Barking 7am in the morning She's callin', I'm yawnin' She's jarrin', no stallin' | |||
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"Why do you ask if it's right ? We can all hope for equality in longevity but the only person who can give it to us is ourselves really. There's no magic fairy dust being sprinkled on one region or any malevolent force acting on the other. The people who are living longer in Corby are ACTIVE and EAT WELL. The people who are dying early are INACTIVE, TAKE DRUGS , DRINK and eat UNHEALTHILY. I accept a percentage of them will feel trapped due to unemployment etc but believe me..... if they change their culture they too can prolong their life. They don't have to eat avocado and spelt. They could have low sugar beans, wholemeal bread and go for a brisk walk. A change of mindset. Mind you ...... if you've got no money, no family, no where to go and you are pissing every ten minutes and you can't afford the heating ....... Who the FUCK wants another 23 years of that ? Fecking phone playing up and just crashed.. We know all about the healthy eating and exercise granny...but surely there should be more government interaction to prevent this. I don't suspect any of the people with the low life expectancy chose that. I could harp back to when Liverpool was a shit hole...but now it is one of my favourite cities to visit...that didn't happen on its own did it? No. I guess it didn't. Did someone drag you here ? No and I went in man mode..not drag
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"I think it’s naive (at best) to suggest it’s resolvable solely by an individual “doing better, trying harder” and absolving government of any responsibility. And vice versa. I think it's about effort. On both sides. When i was made redundant i went and worked in Germany until there was jobs back on the mainland. I then followed that around. Manchester. The west. Wales. London. Etc anywhere it was. Going home when i could. I could have just sat on my ass and said " the works gone, i need cash". But I'm not like that. It’s very lucky that your effort paid off. Effort is not always enough. It does need to be there, but it absolutely isn’t the sole solution. Not sitting on my ass had nothing to do with luck. And me chasing jobs had nothing to do with luck. Think how you would have felt if you done all that and got nowhere... Like id let myself down. Maybe you are just made of stronger stuff then everyone else....you must feel blessed... No. I'm a lazy under achiever. But i know that's my fault and i don't expect favours because of it. I think you have missed my point in the op clem...this is not about you or me. It is about whole areas where things are going massively wrong! I don't have the answers to how to deal with it....but some intervention needs to happen once it has been identified this is happening..I won't as if you agree as I know it's very unlikely.. I agree. Stop all immigration until our own nationals are in valued jobs and careers. If people aren't allowed into the country to provide cheap labour then the price of labour must go up. Pick me up of the fecking floor
But on immigration I'm not getting in to that one as its way too complex on its own...but I do believe it is part of the problem....but not the whole remedy to this.
Ffs I've agreed too
Its not rocket science is it? Its supply and demand. If there's millions of un skilled workers then the wages will be low. If you want the wage and percentage of jobs per head to rise then you need the number of workers to fall. The establishment will only ever worry when thousands of lawyers, Politicians, civil servants and councillors all come to the UK and say "I'll do that job for 25k". "You may have difficulty believing I'm serious but something like that is a possible future. No, not a communist. There is a law in Artificial Intelligence which heavily implies computation leads us to that world because of a AI Law called "Moravec's Paradox". Basically all information processing tasks have wages driven to zero while blue collar labour supplants the middle class with higher wages. For this to occur all that needs to happen is for the next 50 years of computation to follow the pattern of the last 50 years. An eye opener: google "Hinton radioographer" and watch that video. | |||
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"@ Mistress_Dominatrix On topic - there is a possible future technology that might eradicate much of the age difference. If you google "toto intelligence toilet" you'll find a suggestion on it. The concept is that if you use a combination of Hinton's deep learning technology examnining items in a food cupboard and fridge, then a toilet which is capable of performing longitudinal stool/blood/urine analysis then you have a nice model for computation to work on. You have the inputs and the outputs - with those two sources information you can do an immense amount of work to detect or potentially deter lifestyle disease, which I expect accounts for some of the age gap you were talking about. I've talked about this before but nobody seems interested in this kind of technology for some reason, it's a source of frustration. It's all very nice you have a smartphone with more computer firepower than the Apollo program but let's face it: you all use it to mostly throw birds at pigs." That's no way to talk about Fabsters.
AI and Blockchain keep coming up as things I need to understand better. Then I hope I'll be in my grave and not have to bother.
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"@ Mistress_Dominatrix On topic - there is a possible future technology that might eradicate much of the age difference. If you google "toto intelligence toilet" you'll find a suggestion on it. The concept is that if you use a combination of Hinton's deep learning technology examnining items in a food cupboard and fridge, then a toilet which is capable of performing longitudinal stool/blood/urine analysis then you have a nice model for computation to work on. You have the inputs and the outputs - with those two sources information you can do an immense amount of work to detect or potentially deter lifestyle disease, which I expect accounts for some of the age gap you were talking about. I've talked about this before but nobody seems interested in this kind of technology for some reason, it's a source of frustration. It's all very nice you have a smartphone with more computer firepower than the Apollo program but let's face it: you all use it to mostly throw birds at pigs. That's no way to talk about Fabsters.
AI and Blockchain keep coming up as things I need to understand better. Then I hope I'll be in my grave and not have to bother.
"Before you die I'll offer some explanation in plain english. I prefer when people understand ideas, I dislike technowaffle too. Neither are as complex as popular media presents to people. The technicalities are in the implementation, but the concepts are simple. A blockchain is a ledger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledger This blockchain ledger is different to the electronic version of ledgers or paper versions before it because it is distributed across many computers in such a way that there is no room for 'cheating' aka inserting transactions or money that don't exist. That's it. Artificial Intelligence is harder, but explicable using an analogy. If you have worked in any bureaucracy you shall be familiar with the information flowing about the organization. The information changes form as it moves about, arriving at some conclusion that results in some consequence, a real world activity. That is what 99.9% of AI is, only the organization and information are represented in a computer memory (or even on paper - there's nothing magic about something just because it's in a computer memory). | |||
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