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"Yay or nay?" . Well we've been in and out of several Ice ages over the last 2 billon years it would be completely idiotic to not realise were in another, I say we I mean the earth, humans haven't seen anything but an ice age and an interglacial period which means We're in unknown territory with where we're heading. | |||
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"It's been overdue for quite some time. We are actually still emerging from the last ice age, that's why we have ice at both the north and south poles. Not the only time it's been there, but in total only about 15% of the earth's history has seen ice at the poles. We will leave this ice age and pollution or no pollution will only change when by a small fraction in geological time. Question is what will we do to survive between the ice ages? Move out of Kent seems like a good start! " Never knew that about the poles!! Every days a school day  | |||
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"If it is or if it isn't I'm still keeping my v12 and the rest of my toys "Is that a caffeine shampoo?  | |||
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"It's cows farting that does it "Donald Trump. | |||
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"At least we're all in agreement. Not like TRUMP over the pond!" He agrees with who ever gives him the most money. | |||
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"It's been overdue for quite some time. We are actually still emerging from the last ice age, that's why we have ice at both the north and south poles. Not the only time it's been there, but in total only about 15% of the earth's history has seen ice at the poles. We will leave this ice age and pollution or no pollution will only change when by a small fraction in geological time. Question is what will we do to survive between the ice ages? Move out of Kent seems like a good start! " . The bit everybody seems to miss is, it's not all about humans  ,I know crazy hey but alas were still just large mammals albeit with powerful brains and large mammals require something called habitat, food, water, air, habitable land in general and because we're part of and in the "food chain" this requires all the other species to make it in that habitable land and frankly it isn't going to because you got one thing wrong, the rate of rise is unprecedented in known history bar global disasters like comets and mega volcanoes and these events we know wiped out in the region of 60% to 95% of all life, plants, insects, mammals the lot.
Species like predictability, they have evolved to it, it's why Bananas don't grow in Bristol and rye grass doesn't grow in Costa Rica.
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"It's not even a debate anymore It's proven beyond doubt that man is having major influences on the climate " That's right! And the only way to fix it by by paying more in tax! | |||
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"It's not even a debate anymore It's proven beyond doubt that man is having major influences on the climate That's right! And the only way to fix it by by paying more in tax! "No. Choose things that don't have tax on it. You can argue all day about the money side of it. The fact is we as a race are changing the climate | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. " It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact. | |||
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"It's been overdue for quite some time. We are actually still emerging from the last ice age, that's why we have ice at both the north and south poles. Not the only time it's been there, but in total only about 15% of the earth's history has seen ice at the poles. We will leave this ice age and pollution or no pollution will only change when by a small fraction in geological time. Question is what will we do to survive between the ice ages? Move out of Kent seems like a good start! . The bit everybody seems to miss is, it's not all about humans ,I know crazy hey but alas were still just large mammals albeit with powerful brains and large mammals require something called habitat, food, water, air, habitable land in general and because we're part of and in the "food chain" this requires all the other species to make it in that habitable land and frankly it isn't going to because you got one thing wrong, the rate of rise is unprecedented in known history bar global disasters like comets and mega volcanoes and these events we know wiped out in the region of 60% to 95% of all life, plants, insects, mammals the lot.
Species like predictability, they have evolved to it, it's why Bananas don't grow in Bristol and rye grass doesn't grow in Costa Rica.
If we think we've got divisions now because of trump and brexit just wait till the food start running short "Many animal species will struggle, go extinct or evolve. Including strangely enough fish. The salt content of the sea will change radically. So we will have 2 crisis to deal with as it happens lots of land we currently live on, grow food on etc. Will be under water. Many animal species we eat will be wiped out. And water tables will change triggering earth quakes and volcanoes we didn't know existed. Of course it's unprecedented, as far as we know we as a species came into existence in this ice age. And have evolved during the gradual changes to the current state of the world. We may or may not survive, life will be different if we do, and it could be 100,000 years before the next crisis of a global cooling event will threaten all life on the planet again. But on the bright side, Earth will be fine, it will be here when our galaxy crashes into Alpha Centuri in 2 trillion years time. | |||
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"It's not even a debate anymore It's proven beyond doubt that man is having major influences on the climate That's right! And the only way to fix it by by paying more in tax! ". I agree the idea isn't great, however it is what governments for decades have got used to doing to solve complicated problems that aren't great for society ie like smoking, drinking, sugar tax, they like easy solutions like make it expensive and they'll stop doing it which is ok if you have an alternative to hydrocarbons and alas hydrocarbons are really really cheap and work really really well which is why we use them so profusely. There was a scheme put forward many years ago where all the carbon tax went back to the payers but governments weren't so keen on the idea of people getting the tax they pay back directly, for fuck sake that would open a can of worms for them | |||
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"It's been overdue for quite some time. We are actually still emerging from the last ice age, that's why we have ice at both the north and south poles. Not the only time it's been there, but in total only about 15% of the earth's history has seen ice at the poles. We will leave this ice age and pollution or no pollution will only change when by a small fraction in geological time. Question is what will we do to survive between the ice ages? Move out of Kent seems like a good start! . The bit everybody seems to miss is, it's not all about humans ,I know crazy hey but alas were still just large mammals albeit with powerful brains and large mammals require something called habitat, food, water, air, habitable land in general and because we're part of and in the "food chain" this requires all the other species to make it in that habitable land and frankly it isn't going to because you got one thing wrong, the rate of rise is unprecedented in known history bar global disasters like comets and mega volcanoes and these events we know wiped out in the region of 60% to 95% of all life, plants, insects, mammals the lot.
Species like predictability, they have evolved to it, it's why Bananas don't grow in Bristol and rye grass doesn't grow in Costa Rica.
If we think we've got divisions now because of trump and brexit just wait till the food start running short
Many animal species will struggle, go extinct or evolve. Including strangely enough fish. The salt content of the sea will change radically. So we will have 2 crisis to deal with as it happens lots of land we currently live on, grow food on etc. Will be under water. Many animal species we eat will be wiped out. And water tables will change triggering earth quakes and volcanoes we didn't know existed.
Of course it's unprecedented, as far as we know we as a species came into existence in this ice age. And have evolved during the gradual changes to the current state of the world.
We may or may not survive, life will be different if we do, and it could be 100,000 years before the next crisis of a global cooling event will threaten all life on the planet again.
But on the bright side, Earth will be fine, it will be here when our galaxy crashes into Alpha Centuri in 2 trillion years time.". Rate of change is the critical bit,2 degrees over ten thousand years, most life will cope and evolve,2 degrees over 50 years 4 degrees in a hundred, most life wont (evolutionary traits and workings take generations) humans have long generation times and long lives, insects have short generation times some literally are just a few days like daddy long legs (crane fly's) evolution doesn't really save large mammals which is why there's so few of us in the animal world. Ps the sun will consume the earth within 4 billion years as it expands and make it completely uninhabitable way quicker than that anyhow (the earth sits right on the very edge of the habitable zone). Timescales are a bit of a misleader when discussing these things, nobody would like to live in a world without say trees and yet to get from the first plant type life to emerge on land 400 million years ago to trees took 200 million years, that's an awful long time to wait around for evolution to cure a problem of agw in my opinion. | |||
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"Global warming is the new tax cow for most governments now days x" . I agree completely, that's one of the biggest problems in dealing with it | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact." Absolutely right . All this bollocks about it all being our fault is crap . | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact." . Have you got any proof that it works in cycles and if so where did you read it and how did they discover it | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact.. Have you got any proof that it works in cycles and if so where did you read it and how did they discover it "I believe geologists know these things by examining the various layers of rock and ice etc. | |||
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"If we bomb India and China back to the stoneage we might just save the planet. "As they are both nuclear powers we will all be living in the stone age and a nuclear winter. | |||
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"If we bomb India and China back to the stoneage we might just save the planet.
As they are both nuclear powers we will all be living in the stone age and a nuclear winter. "I'm not sure I'm worried by their technology to be honest. | |||
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"If we bomb India and China back to the stoneage we might just save the planet.
As they are both nuclear powers we will all be living in the stone age and a nuclear winter.
I'm not sure I'm worried by their technology to be honest. "China buys Russian military tech.Id be more worried that our trident system failed recently on launch and we have an air craft carrier without aircraft. | |||
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"The extra co2 in the atmosphere isn't from rotting organic matter or from the ocean.Its isotopic finger print matches man made co2.There is no question we are altering the atmosphere with co2. Science doesn't care about your opinions.Ice cores and isotopic finger printing doesn't suffer from confirmation bias "But is the CO2 from this decade or last century? Obviously we should clean up our act, aim at independance from fossil fuels etc. but will it improve things or just give us a lot of years of pointless tax that is not actually stopping global warming? | |||
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"If we bomb India and China back to the stoneage we might just save the planet. "But who will make next season's iPhone Y ? | |||
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"The extra co2 in the atmosphere isn't from rotting organic matter or from the ocean.Its isotopic finger print matches man made co2.There is no question we are altering the atmosphere with co2. Science doesn't care about your opinions.Ice cores and isotopic finger printing doesn't suffer from confirmation bias
But is the CO2 from this decade or last century? Obviously we should clean up our act, aim at independance from fossil fuels etc. but will it improve things or just give us a lot of years of pointless tax that is not actually stopping global warming?
"It's man made co2 and we haven't stopped pumping it out.Its accumulated and it's not going anywhere this century.You don't want worry about the co2 it's the methane that's now being released that should give you sleep nights. | |||
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"It's man made co2 and we haven't stopped pumping it out.Its accumulated and it's not going anywhere this century.You don't want worry about the co2 it's the methane that's now being released that should give you sleep nights." Man has been making CO2 since we banged flint together and made fire, made a whole he'll of a lot of it in the 1800's and have been reducing individual output but increasing individuals ever since... Where the hell is the Methane coming from? Find them tell them to stop... that shit explodes and will take the O out of the O2... then we will all sleep well! | |||
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"It's man made co2 and we haven't stopped pumping it out.Its accumulated and it's not going anywhere this century.You don't want worry about the co2 it's the methane that's now being released that should give you sleep nights. Man has been making CO2 since we banged flint together and made fire, made a whole he'll of a lot of it in the 1800's and have been reducing individual output but increasing individuals ever since... Where the hell is the Methane coming from? Find them tell them to stop... that shit explodes and will take the O out of the O2... then we will all sleep well! "Methane levels have more than doubled over the last 150 years and the party is only getting started.Wait til we get a feed back loop up and running.. It'll be awesome. | |||
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"So WE ALL know it's cyclical because SCIENTISTS said so WE ALL listen to SCIENTISTS when they tell us that this medication will cure your cough that these glasses will help your child see better, that these inoculations will give your child a better chance at avoiding lethal diseases, we all believe science has got it right when driving our cars or flying on that big metal bird when going on holiday.... But when they tell us stuff we don't like, well there crazy tax grabbing scheming wasters who haven't got a fucking clue coz I and my few decades of common sense no better!. Let's talk about the real problem here, we don't want to give up those shiny material objects we've sweated so hard for because there giving our life some purpose, what would the point of it all be if we couldn't have a car that growled and some holiday snaps of us on a Caribbean beach to show our Facebook friends "I don't have a car and I don't holiday in the Caribbean, i guess my life is pointless then? | |||
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"So WE ALL know it's cyclical because SCIENTISTS said so WE ALL listen to SCIENTISTS when they tell us that this medication will cure your cough that these glasses will help your child see better, that these inoculations will give your child a better chance at avoiding lethal diseases, we all believe science has got it right when driving our cars or flying on that big metal bird when going on holiday.... But when they tell us stuff we don't like, well there crazy tax grabbing scheming wasters who haven't got a fucking clue coz I and my few decades of common sense no better!. Let's talk about the real problem here, we don't want to give up those shiny material objects we've sweated so hard for because there giving our life some purpose, what would the point of it all be if we couldn't have a car that growled and some holiday snaps of us on a Caribbean beach to show our Facebook friends
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"If we bomb India and China back to the stoneage we might just save the planet.
As they are both nuclear powers we will all be living in the stone age and a nuclear winter.
I'm not sure I'm worried by their technology to be honest.
China buys Russian military tech.Id be more worried that our trident system failed recently on launch and we have an air craft carrier without aircraft. "Russian technology eh? Oh no! Have mercy! | |||
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"We fucked it all of us together! We are all greedy self centered ppl with a thirst for energy! We are now so dependant on it we are beyond repairing it more cars more planes more corporate world chirning out shite that we dont need but crave! More plastic going in the ocean poisoning our fish and in turn poisoning ourselves! Slaughtering animals at a fierce rate for fun or consumption! We are being worked to the bone by corporations that tell us we should be lucky to have jobs! Quality of life is fucked! Constantly on the brink of war! We are a terrible race! Yet I like most ppl I meet! We are at the same time a beautiful compassionate race! Its fucked up we cant change it! Hahaha fuck me that turned in to some rant xx" I gave up eating meat this year dave.Giving up Bacon has been difficult. I'm only going to eat fish and veggies from now on. Luckily for me I'm a fucking ace fisherman... | |||
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"I gave up eating meat this year dave.Giving up Bacon has been difficult. I'm only going to eat fish and veggies from now on. Luckily for me I'm a fucking ace fisherman... "But if methane is the main problem, and methane comes from eating veggies like what cows do.... shouldn't you be barbecuing steaks over coal fires to help, Not eating veggies and contributing methane? | |||
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"I gave up eating meat this year dave.Giving up Bacon has been difficult. I'm only going to eat fish and veggies from now on. Luckily for me I'm a fucking ace fisherman...
But if methane is the main problem, and methane comes from eating veggies like what cows do.... shouldn't you be barbecuing steaks over coal fires to help, Not eating veggies and contributing methane? "Thats not the methane you should be worrying about. Do you even do science dude.I think not.. | |||
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"Chasing ice is one worth watching if you're sitting on the nay side of the fence" Yeah I've watched it on Netflix its very educational . Chasing coral brought a tear to my eye .I'm a soft cunt really.That's some heart breaking shit to watch.  | |||
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"Chasing ice is one worth watching if you're sitting on the nay side of the fence Yeah I've watched it on Netflix its very educational . Chasing coral brought a tear to my eye .I'm a soft cunt really.That's some heart breaking shit to watch. "Yeah there's so much wrong with how we treat the planet and the animals on it! The more you learn the more you realise that every horrible act is gonna be justified by things like money or religion, or ignored because it's not scientific 'fact'. We can't measure or accurately predict everything. Pretty arrogant of us to think we can. it's pretty obvious that The more shit we pour into our atmosphere the more harmful it is going to be for us in the long run. | |||
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"We fucked it all of us together! We are all greedy self centered ppl with a thirst for energy! We are now so dependant on it we are beyond repairing it more cars more planes more corporate world chirning out shite that we dont need but crave! More plastic going in the ocean poisoning our fish and in turn poisoning ourselves! Slaughtering animals at a fierce rate for fun or consumption! We are being worked to the bone by corporations that tell us we should be lucky to have jobs! Quality of life is fucked! Constantly on the brink of war! We are a terrible race! Yet I like most ppl I meet! We are at the same time a beautiful compassionate race! Its fucked up we cant change it! Hahaha fuck me that turned in to some rant xx" Terminator II said it best when talking about humans - 'it is in your nature to destroy yourselves..' | |||
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"Global warming is a fact. The cause is a bone of contention. The finger is often pointed at the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere by human activity. But, consider the fact that humans put just under 10 million tons of carbon dioxide per year. Volcanoes spew out 300 million tonnes every year, 30 times as much. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas and yes, cow farts (actually burps). " It's well known fact volcanic eruptions cause global cooling.One solution to global warming is to create artificial volcanic eruptions(geo engineering) by realising aerosols to reflect sunlight back. | |||
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"Global warming is a fact. The cause is a bone of contention. The finger is often pointed at the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere by human activity. But, consider the fact that humans put just under 10 million tons of carbon dioxide per year. Volcanoes spew out 300 million tonnes every year, 30 times as much. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas and yes, cow farts (actually burps). " . You've been reading "blogs" haven't you!!. I can't even begin to tell you what utter nonsense those figures are | |||
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"If anyone is unsure about what is warming the planet, Bloomberg have a fantastic, really clear visual representation of volcanic, sun, earth's orbit or the other 'causes' that some people try to claim is the main reason for global warming. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ It's clear that human caused changes dwarf the rest of the other suppositions. Mod note: Bloomberg is a recognised news provider around the world and thus assumed as an acceptable site to provide links from." . It's even easier. Think of your body and what you eat. Calories in calories out=carbon cycle. Guess what happens when you start consuming more calories (c02) and doing less exercise (deforestation). That right, you keel over eventually with a heart attack | |||
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"If anyone is unsure about what is warming the planet, Bloomberg have a fantastic, really clear visual representation of volcanic, sun, earth's orbit or the other 'causes' that some people try to claim is the main reason for global warming. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ It's clear that human caused changes dwarf the rest of the other suppositions. Mod note: Bloomberg is a recognised news provider around the world and thus assumed as an acceptable site to provide links from.. It's even easier. Think of your body and what you eat. Calories in calories out=carbon cycle. Guess what happens when you start consuming more calories (c02) and doing less exercise (deforestation). That right, you keel over eventually with a heart attack "You become big and beautiful? | |||
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" Typical isn't it? I turned my thermostat down and bought an economical car. Then a big bastard volcano erupted in Japan! "They are already experiencing air pollution travelling over from China. | |||
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"Its definitely not fake and it was our fault as a result of pollution. " | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact.. Have you got any proof that it works in cycles and if so where did you read it and how did they discover it "They take ice core samples from the artic, and can determine from the different layers the amount of snowfall there had been and how much carbon was present at that particular time. | |||
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"If we look at one part of it. Polar Bears. Their habitat is shrinking so rapidly they are often stranded on thin ice sheets and can't get to food and starve to death. And it is mainly humans fault . Polar Bears have happily lived for millennia until we fucked the planet up . Fact. It’s a fact the ice is melting but not necessarily fact that’s its caused by man. The last time all the ice melted man didn’t exist yet. The earth works in cycles, that’s a fact.. Have you got any proof that it works in cycles and if so where did you read it and how did they discover it
They take ice core samples from the artic, and can determine from the different layers the amount of snowfall there had been and how much carbon was present at that particular time. "Shh don't introduce them to methodical evidenced based data next you will perform magic illustrating local climate variation by using tree ring growth, or tree repopulation me the UK by using pollen data from wet land core samples , oh what you say ? , all of these sources are cross referenced and logically reinforce conclusions about the meaning of the data ? | |||
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" Typical isn't it? I turned my thermostat down and bought an economical car. Then a big bastard volcano erupted in Japan! ". Well don't listen to bloggers bollocks, serval US states alone emit more c02 than all the volcanoes in the world combined (in a typical year) that's part of the problem when discussing this stuff is it's relatively easy to blur the lines, big big vei 8 or 9 eruptions do indeed put huge amounts of c02 in the air but thankfully they only come along once every few hundred years, they also throw out massive amounts of sulphate aerosols that cause global cooling in some cases for several years so it's a bit of a balancing act. The facts are that for a million years atmospheric c02 has been relatively stable at around 210ppm up and down yes but small amounts, were now over 410ppm or nearly double and ALL of that increase has been caused by human industrial activity. | |||
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"This is the simplest graphic showing the last 116 years of anomalous temperature ranges by country all in 35 secs of viewing.Its shocking. https://youtu.be/K4Ra2HR27pQ" . Excellent graphic, there's a very similar one somewhere for the artic sea ice from 1970 to present somewhere. I had a massive row with a blogger last month who absolutely believed that because the northern hemisphere is having a massively cold winter this has returned sea ice to normal levels, he just couldn't grasp that the very cold weather he's going on about is here because it's no longer being confined to the artic(where it usually is) and which is actually experiencing temperatures above freezing despite being in artic winter. It seems at times that people are willing to believe anything and everything except for stuff measured and written about by climate experts, it just boggles my brain | |||
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"If anyone is unsure about what is warming the planet, Bloomberg have a fantastic, really clear visual representation of volcanic, sun, earth's orbit or the other 'causes' that some people try to claim is the main reason for global warming. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ It's clear that human caused changes dwarf the rest of the other suppositions. Mod note: Bloomberg is a recognised news provider around the world and thus assumed as an acceptable site to provide links from.. It's even easier. Think of your body and what you eat. Calories in calories out=carbon cycle. Guess what happens when you start consuming more calories (c02) and doing less exercise (deforestation). That right, you keel over eventually with a heart attack
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"Yay or nay?" in the context of what people are claiming (man made disaster) nay,in the realoty that we may indeed be in a warming cycle yay. Purely cyclical and the actual effect that man is having on it is negligible. | |||
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"Yay or nay? in the context of what people are claiming (man made disaster) nay,in the realoty that we may indeed be in a warming cycle yay. Purely cyclical and the actual effect that man is having on it is negligible." View the links that I and others have posted, that provide full details of what has happened to the world, by year, since the industrial revolution. The earth certainly has natural cycles of warming and cooling but the current warming is definitively and predominantly caused by humans. Forget natural cycles, volcanoes, sunspot activity etc - it's people that are causing it and could also do something about it, to prevent even worse damage than is currently underway. | |||
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"Yay or nay? in the context of what people are claiming (man made disaster) nay,in the realoty that we may indeed be in a warming cycle yay. Purely cyclical and the actual effect that man is having on it is negligible. View the links that I and others have posted, that provide full details of what has happened to the world, by year, since the industrial revolution. The earth certainly has natural cycles of warming and cooling but the current warming is definitively and predominantly caused by humans. Forget natural cycles, volcanoes, sunspot activity etc - it's people that are causing it and could also do something about it, to prevent even worse damage than is currently underway." Tax volcanoes? Oh please! Tell us which tax will save us!? On a slightly more serious not there's fuck all we can do. Phone up India, China and every other developing country that is trying to pull it's self out of the stoneage by industralising itself and ask them to stop. And while you're on the phone tell them to use bins, not rivers for their rubbish! | |||
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"Yay or nay? in the context of what people are claiming (man made disaster) nay,in the realoty that we may indeed be in a warming cycle yay. Purely cyclical and the actual effect that man is having on it is negligible. View the links that I and others have posted, that provide full details of what has happened to the world, by year, since the industrial revolution. The earth certainly has natural cycles of warming and cooling but the current warming is definitively and predominantly caused by humans. Forget natural cycles, volcanoes, sunspot activity etc - it's people that are causing it and could also do something about it, to prevent even worse damage than is currently underway. Tax volcanoes? Oh please! Tell us which tax will save us!? On a slightly more serious not there's fuck all we can do. Phone up India, China and every other developing country that is trying to pull it's self out of the stoneage by industralising itself and ask them to stop. And while you're on the phone tell them to use bins, not rivers for their rubbish! "The scorched earth option does have its appeal.Im a big fan of blade runner and Mad Max. A cache of lethal weaponry fi you kids in your backyard seems a good investment after reading the response. | |||
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"Yay or nay? in the context of what people are claiming (man made disaster) nay,in the realoty that we may indeed be in a warming cycle yay. Purely cyclical and the actual effect that man is having on it is negligible. View the links that I and others have posted, that provide full details of what has happened to the world, by year, since the industrial revolution. The earth certainly has natural cycles of warming and cooling but the current warming is definitively and predominantly caused by humans. Forget natural cycles, volcanoes, sunspot activity etc - it's people that are causing it and could also do something about it, to prevent even worse damage than is currently underway. Tax volcanoes? Oh please! Tell us which tax will save us!? On a slightly more serious not there's fuck all we can do. Phone up India, China and every other developing country that is trying to pull it's self out of the stoneage by industralising itself and ask them to stop. And while you're on the phone tell them to use bins, not rivers for their rubbish! "But as they're coming out of the "stone age" they're also harnessing the benefits of renewables, - solar energy is getting bigger & bigger in the developing world. Now look at the tiny island of Britain & the amount of Co2 & pollution emissions we're responsible for, not just since the industrial revolution but today, & you'll see that we're still amongst the biggest culprits on the planet. Easy to sit back & blame someone else. | |||
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"Some of the anti science on here is astounding Climate scientists say without doubt man is changing earth climate. Fabswingers members "oh it's a myth" I think I know who's knowledge I trust. People saying earth used to be this and that. Totally meaningless. Earth used to be a completely different planet." If only it was just on Fabswingers; rapid climate change deniers are in huge numbers all across the www , yet never before has it been so easy to connect with people all around the world & actually ask them about how/if their weather has changed. We don't even need science to tell us but they do, & the relatively simple science of collecting ice core samples & dunking a thermometer a few metres down into the ocean is still not enough evidence that we have caused rapid climate change for these 10's of millions (plus) of people. They're mostly from the US btw, - where so much of climate science has been learned. Too many idiots in this world, & they don't give a flying fcuk about future generations, even when it will affect their own great great great grandkids. Stupid race. | |||
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"The earth will naturally heat up and cool but there is undeniable proof that we have sped that process up. Climate change deniers are as bad as flat earthers imo" | |||
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"There really is now no excuse whatsoever for anyone to deny man made global warming. We have the data, the scientific facts. There is absolutely no place for any discussion with anyone who willfully argues against this, due to their ignorance - their time and energy should only be upon the credible evidence. " It's proven beyond doubt. It's like others have said deniers are the same as flat earthers | |||
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"The earth will naturally heat up and cool but there is undeniable proof that we have sped that process up. Climate change deniers are as bad as flat earthers imo" and believers are like scientologists | |||
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"There really is now no excuse whatsoever for anyone to deny man made global warming. We have the data, the scientific facts. There is absolutely no place for any discussion with anyone who willfully argues against this, due to their ignorance - their time and energy should only be upon the credible evidence. " Not everything Science presents to you remains THE truth. | |||
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"There really is now no excuse whatsoever for anyone to deny man made global warming. We have the data, the scientific facts. There is absolutely no place for any discussion with anyone who willfully argues against this, due to their ignorance - their time and energy should only be upon the credible evidence. Not everything Science presents to you remains THE truth. " And coupled with this fact , there are so many scientific studies which prove it’s a myth too . I mean simple common sense tells us we have had many far more climatic changes when humans and industry didn’t even exist ... what caused them then ? The very fact that the planet earth itself would have come about from some major Big Bang or something which would have unleashed some major chemical nemesis , yet again , we weren’t there were we ? Look at other planets out there , they come and go with no help from us . So before saying those of us who don’t believe the hype are the same as flat earthers or stupid , think on .... maybe we aren’t so daft after all . | |||
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"There really is now no excuse whatsoever for anyone to deny man made global warming. We have the data, the scientific facts. There is absolutely no place for any discussion with anyone who willfully argues against this, due to their ignorance - their time and energy should only be upon the credible evidence. Not everything Science presents to you remains THE truth. " That's the beautiful thing about science granny. Another scientist comes along and says .I have a better theory than your theory and we all become wiser and more knowledgeable. Flat earthers and Scientology loons and climate change deniers are a little different to scientist's because as someone once said. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. " | |||
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""The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. " "To be fair that statement can be applied to either side of this argument. | |||
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""The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. "
To be fair that statement can be applied to either side of this argument. "Unfortunately it can't. | |||
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""The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. "
To be fair that statement can be applied to either side of this argument.
Unfortunately it can't. "Prove it... the science is flawed, it doesn't measure accurately over time. C02 production per head of population has decreased significantly over the last 200 years not increased. Unfortunately the heads of population has increased exponentially. Not one scientist has a solution to make a difference to global warming, despite billions spent on research. So what are fab forum users going to achieve? Spend less on packaging, don't drop litter and do your best. Everything else is an illusion of progress. | |||
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""The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. "
To be fair that statement can be applied to either side of this argument.
Unfortunately it can't.
Prove it... the science is flawed, it doesn't measure accurately over time. C02 production per head of population has decreased significantly over the last 200 years not increased.
Unfortunately the heads of population has increased exponentially.
Not one scientist has a solution to make a difference to global warming, despite billions spent on research.
So what are fab forum users going to achieve?
Spend less on packaging, don't drop litter and do your best. Everything else is an illusion of progress."You've not really said anything relevant. The science is water tight.Its not my problem you don't understand it.Ice core data and the Co2 isotopic smoking gun is irrefutable.The extra Co2 didn't come from any other source it's got our finger prints all over it.Guilty as charged governor! Willfull ignorance is the usual modus operandi of deniers .Much like holocaust deniers, flat earthers and any tinfoiler i've ever seen. | |||
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"There really is now no excuse whatsoever for anyone to deny man made global warming. We have the data, the scientific facts. There is absolutely no place for any discussion with anyone who willfully argues against this, due to their ignorance - their time and energy should only be upon the credible evidence. Not everything Science presents to you remains THE truth. That's the beautiful thing about science granny. Another scientist comes along and says .I have a better theory than your theory and we all become wiser and more knowledgeable. Flat earthers and Scientology loons and climate change deniers are a little different to scientist's because as someone once said. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. " "Knowledge..... now that's a loaded word. Truth however. | |||
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"Spend less on packaging, don't drop litter and do your best. Everything else is an illusion of progress. You've not really said anything relevant. The science is water tight.Its not my problem you don't understand it.Ice core data and the Co2 isotopic smoking gun is irrefutable.The extra Co2 didn't come from any other source it's got our finger prints all over it.Guilty as charged governor! Willfull ignorance is the usual modus operandi of deniers .Much like holocaust deniers, flat earthers and any tinfoiler i've ever seen. "Sorry Bobbangs, you obviously don't understand my point. Yes some of the CO2 in the atmosphere is released by human intervention. More importantly some of the planet's processing plant that should be reducing the CO2 has been disabled by humans. The gas mixture that surrounds this planet has always fluctuated, and the ice core samples you hold so dear don't pre-date the last ice age, because there was no ice before the ice age. No matter what we do or don't do there will at some point be an end to the ice age we are currently living in. And short of total annialation of the human species before that happens, we will need science to change how we live in order to survive because we can't evolve fast enough to change. And even a complete stop of production of CO2 today won't change that. We have effectively got all our scientists standing in a field looking at a brick wall, all agreeing that Bob built that wall, figuring out how the bricks were made. When they really need to be working out how to build a door, or at least how to get over the wall
While they do that, the rest of us can help by not dropping litter to keep the field tidy, and it would help if we would stop breeding cos the field is getting quite full... | |||
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"123 squeeze your buttocks. Farting ends here. " But Granny, then people will start exploding and being carbon life forms that will just make things worse | |||
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"Spend less on packaging, don't drop litter and do your best. Everything else is an illusion of progress. You've not really said anything relevant. The science is water tight.Its not my problem you don't understand it.Ice core data and the Co2 isotopic smoking gun is irrefutable.The extra Co2 didn't come from any other source it's got our finger prints all over it.Guilty as charged governor! Willfull ignorance is the usual modus operandi of deniers .Much like holocaust deniers, flat earthers and any tinfoiler i've ever seen.
Sorry Bobbangs, you obviously don't understand my point.
Yes some of the CO2 in the atmosphere is released by human intervention. More importantly some of the planet's processing plant that should be reducing the CO2 has been disabled by humans.
The gas mixture that surrounds this planet has always fluctuated, and the ice core samples you hold so dear don't pre-date the last ice age, because there was no ice before the ice age.
No matter what we do or don't do there will at some point be an end to the ice age we are currently living in. And short of total annialation of the human species before that happens, we will need science to change how we live in order to survive because we can't evolve fast enough to change. And even a complete stop of production of CO2 today won't change that.
We have effectively got all our scientists standing in a field looking at a brick wall, all agreeing that Bob built that wall, figuring out how the bricks were made. When they really need to be working out how to build a door, or at least how to get over the wall
While they do that, the rest of us can help by not dropping litter to keep the field tidy, and it would help if we would stop breeding cos the field is getting quite full... "Yes we've all heard the deniers mantra before. " Its all natural it can't be stopped.We should carry on pumping out C02 an come up with a technological solution. Changing our ways won't make a difference" When humanity puts it's head in the sand it can only talk out of it's arse.. | |||
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"I forgot point out the first ice age was 2.6 million years ago and to remind you the last time carbon dioxide levels were this high was 3 million years ago.. Let that sink in...That's a lot of data climate deniers wish to ignore. "You are mistakenly thinking I am a climate denier, I am not, and my posts have not said that I deny it is happening. Fact is what we do today may change things by a century or so, but won't stop or reverse it in any way. The only denier here is you, you refuse to believe in the inevitability of global warming. That is foolish talk! I am mostly sure that nobody on here can influence global governments, the president of the universe left the site a while back. So don't whinge about why or when it will have an impact. Do what little YOU can to tidy up, and use less resources. And when you get a small amount of influence try to encourage governments to look forward to solution not back to blame people long dead and past caring.
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"I forgot point out the first ice age was 2.6 million years ago and to remind you the last time carbon dioxide levels were this high was 3 million years ago.. Let that sink in...That's a lot of data climate deniers wish to ignore.
You are mistakenly thinking I am a climate denier, I am not, and my posts have not said that I deny it is happening. Fact is what we do today may change things by a century or so, but won't stop or reverse it in any way.
The only denier here is you, you refuse to believe in the inevitability of global warming. That is foolish talk!
I am mostly sure that nobody on here can influence global governments, the president of the universe left the site a while back.
So don't whinge about why or when it will have an impact. Do what little YOU can to tidy up, and use less resources. And when you get a small amount of influence try to encourage governments to look forward to solution not back to blame people long dead and past caring.
That's my last attempt to enlighten you. If it fails then you must carry on encouraging diesel powered drills making holes in the ice to show exactly the same as the other 4000 holes."T So the real problem is those crazy scientist's and their diesel powered drills discovering millions of years of climate history.Thats the best redundant and irrelevant climate denier comment Ive seen! "You scientist's use diesel to drill so shut the fuck up about C02..." | |||
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"So the real problem is those crazy scientist's and their diesel powered drills discovering millions of years of climate history.Thats the best redundant and irrelevant climate denier comment Ive seen! "You scientist's use diesel to drill so shut the fuck up about C02..." "Now I am confused, are you saying that you don't accept the evidence that greenhouse gasses are at least connected to global warming? So rather than accept it and clean up our act scientists should repeat the tests they have already done until they get a different answer you like?
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"When I say a clue, I mean a clue that your completely wrong "No, you are ok Dave, when I was at school the scientists categorically stated the world supplies of fossil fuels would be gone by the mid 90's Early global warming (pre climate change) was due to deodorant usage and old fridges. Skip a few years and planes would fall out if the sky in the year 2000 because the computers would say it's 00 and they haven't been invented yet (did well on that one) hope others do well on the Unix date in a decade or so. Then diesel cars would cut CO2 so save the planet... oops! Lived my life through one disaster after another, I strongly suspect past and future generations will do have done the same. Change will come, we don't know when or what it's effects will be. Sometimes nothing sometimes something. About the only thing we can be sure of is action to mitigate it will happen at the last possible moment, which may or may not be in time.
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"So the real problem is those crazy scientist's and their diesel powered drills discovering millions of years of climate history.Thats the best redundant and irrelevant climate denier comment Ive seen! "You scientist's use diesel to drill so shut the fuck up about C02..."
Now I am confused, are you saying that you don't accept the evidence that greenhouse gasses are at least connected to global warming?
So rather than accept it and clean up our act scientists should repeat the tests they have already done until they get a different answer you like?
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"I don't know any personally but I can't recall a flat earther online whom wasn't also a rapid climate change denier. Truth!
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"Stick a load of ice in a big glass of water, measure the water level, leave the ice to melt then check the water level again. ".....and then see where the polar bear goes
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"So the real problem is those crazy scientist's and their diesel powered drills discovering millions of years of climate history.Thats the best redundant and irrelevant climate denier comment Ive seen! "You scientist's use diesel to drill so shut the fuck up about C02..."
Now I am confused, are you saying that you don't accept the evidence that greenhouse gasses are at least connected to global warming?
So rather than accept it and clean up our act scientists should repeat the tests they have already done until they get a different answer you like?
Or are you just hoping they will drill through and prove the earth is flat
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"When I say a clue, I mean a clue that your completely wrong
No, you are ok Dave, when I was at school the scientists categorically stated the world supplies of fossil fuels would be gone by the mid 90's
Early global warming (pre climate change) was due to deodorant usage and old fridges.
Skip a few years and planes would fall out if the sky in the year 2000 because the computers would say it's 00 and they haven't been invented yet (did well on that one) hope others do well on the Unix date in a decade or so.
Then diesel cars would cut CO2 so save the planet... oops!
Lived my life through one disaster after another, I strongly suspect past and future generations will do have done the same.
Change will come, we don't know when or what it's effects will be. Sometimes nothing sometimes something.
About the only thing we can be sure of is action to mitigate it will happen at the last possible moment, which may or may not be in time.
Ok this is not accurate because people used to breed earlier... But if we take today's average generation cycle to be about 30 years as being a constant, that bloke Jesus was supposed to have popped down for a visit 66.6666666... generations ago, lots of triple 6's available there ". Your confusing a few things, let's see if we can come to a middle ground. Firstly scientists never said that fossil fuels would run out in 2000 or at least there wasn't a theory substantiating it!. There was a book wrote in the 70s by a couple called Dennis and donella meadows called the limits to growth,(i highly recommend it), they hypothesised through a computer program trying to find WHEN the limits of resource depletion would become problematic. Now again y2k no scientific theory about how or what was going to occur, MOST computer experts thought it wouldn't be a problem, a few thought it would be disastrous but nobody knew for sure what would occur which caused the little panic we saw. Changing to Diesel cars was not a scientific idea or theory, it was a political solution by politicians, scientists have actually been telling people for a long time now how bad for pollution (and human health) they are and they've been doing this via the scientific method of research and measurement, which brings me to your opinion that nobody knows what will happen in the future with climate change, see that's just not what the scientifically gathered evidence suggests. There's very very very strong evidence that continuing to use fossil fuels at the current rate means really really really bad shit will happen in YOUR life time and possibly bad enough to KILL your children. As scientists would say (because there conservative by nature) it's not guaranteed but it's a 99.4% likelihood. If you took those odds into the bookies you'd be very wealthy .
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Now your last paragraph is proving quite true, we've not done anything to mitigate the problem and the clock is ticking, some research shows it might just be too late and that we've already set the NATURAL climate change in motion and that this will be CONSIDERABLY QUICKER than what would naturally occur due to industrial civilizations actions.
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My opinion from reading far too much on this subject is that you've got about ooooo 10-15 years before the really really bad shit his the fan (although some research shows it could be upto 50 years away).
But and it's a big but there's practically none that says we've got hundreds of years left to solve this problem.
I think they should stop calling it a problem and call it what it really is...a dilemma.
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"global warming is that where folk with nowt better to do fly round the world telling poor folk not to burn this that n the other whilst having no impact what so ever but having a nice time and a nice pension from the public purse?. " welcome to 2018 & the Internet, - where you can converse without flying. | |||
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"Back in 2001 after the two planes hit the world trade centre nearly all the planes in America were grounded for just over a week and in just 3 days after they were grounded the average temperature increased by 2 degrees nearly all across America!" Yes i remember there was a group of scientists working on global dimming at the time & their theory was proved correct. But that was light levels, I don't remember the 2 degrees part. | |||
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"Back in 2001 after the two planes hit the world trade centre nearly all the planes in America were grounded for just over a week and in just 3 days after they were grounded the average temperature increased by 2 degrees nearly all across America!" Maybe it was just a bit hotter ?? | |||
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"My opinion from reading far too much on this subject is that you've got about ooooo 10-15 years before the really really bad shit his the fan (although some research shows it could be upto 50 years away)." Strongly snipped for readability, if you have not read it please read Dave's full post above. My reply... Diesel cars are about all the evidence you need that politics and media expediency out rule science on most decisions. Hit the target on the spreadsheet, I am interested to know more about what exactly this bad shit in 10 15 or even 50 to 150 years will actually be? Predictions of some coastline changes aside. What will actually change, and how will that affect humans, on a large scale. I read quite a lot of theories, and yes I am a cynic who takes the piss out of most things, as I am sure you have figured out. But I would be interested in your views on what will actually happen. | |||
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"My opinion from reading far too much on this subject is that you've got about ooooo 10-15 years before the really really bad shit his the fan (although some research shows it could be upto 50 years away). Strongly snipped for readability, if you have not read it please read Dave's full post above. My reply... Diesel cars are about all the evidence you need that politics and media expediency out rule science on most decisions. Hit the target on the spreadsheet, I am interested to know more about what exactly this bad shit in 10 15 or even 50 to 150 years will actually be? Predictions of some coastline changes aside. What will actually change, and how will that affect humans, on a large scale. I read quite a lot of theories, and yes I am a cynic who takes the piss out of most things, as I am sure you have figured out. But I would be interested in your views on what will actually happen." Crops & drinking water may be an issue ..... | |||
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"Global warming, and cooling has apparently happened over cycles throughout the Earths history. It seems that humanity is successfully speeding up the warming at the moment. As to whether the amount of polution is exponentially increasing it to doomsday levels... I dunno. I don't believe that anyone truly does" there's overwhelming evidence that we've speeded the whole thing up, - but as you say, who knows what & when? | |||
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"My opinion from reading far too much on this subject is that you've got about ooooo 10-15 years before the really really bad shit his the fan (although some research shows it could be upto 50 years away). Strongly snipped for readability, if you have not read it please read Dave's full post above. My reply... Diesel cars are about all the evidence you need that politics and media expediency out rule science on most decisions. Hit the target on the spreadsheet, I am interested to know more about what exactly this bad shit in 10 15 or even 50 to 150 years will actually be? Predictions of some coastline changes aside. What will actually change, and how will that affect humans, on a large scale. I read quite a lot of theories, and yes I am a cynic who takes the piss out of most things, as I am sure you have figured out. But I would be interested in your views on what will actually happen." . Fresh water will become a scarcity in a lot of the world while other parts will be deluged, Winters will become unpredictable along with summers, early late harsh mild, sowing times will be worthless and dry and wet month long spells will reduce crop yields massively (the five main crops that feed the world are grown in roughly 4 places at scale, there in the center's of large land masses, which will be effected the worse). A third of the world's population along with nearly every nuclear power station(about 400 of them) lies next to the sea or a major River, all of which will be effected by large scale flooding. Another third of the population live off or the direct tributies of glacial waters, these are nearly all under massive reduction and or unpredictable run off. The other third of the population live off marine life, all of which is already under a massive die off, all crops are cross pollinated by bees and insects, they too are under a massive die off, in some regions we've seen a 70% loss of insect life. This is at 1.1 degrees of warming of course, what we now know is that the warming is not linear but exponential in nature, that 1.1 degrees of warming caused by fossil fuel usage and industrial civilization is going to cause somewhere between 2 and 6 degrees of natural warming (methane, further c02 and water vapour). The c02 is being mostly soaked up by the oceans, there pH value is now the highest the oceans have been in 3 million years, a higher pH value means carbonated shell life will lose the ability to live, that's crabs lobsters and alike gone not to mention coral reefs. The thermaline ocean currents will be drastically altered by 3 degrees of warming, they keep hot places cooler and cooler places hotter both of which is extremely bad news. The biggest worry is that we'll lose the artic summer sea ice very soon (probably within a few years), earth's albedo effect will be altered and the arctics profoundly, dark ocean water absorbs heat much more than white ice and there's around a trillion tonnes of methane clathrates locked in perma frost there,a 4% release of that is enough to heat the world a further 4 degrees. . In a nut shell we'll lose our habitat in a decade and without habitat no large mammals will survive. | |||
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"My opinion from reading far too much on this subject is that you've got about ooooo 10-15 years before the really really bad shit his the fan (although some research shows it could be upto 50 years away). Strongly snipped for readability, if you have not read it please read Dave's full post above. My reply... Diesel cars are about all the evidence you need that politics and media expediency out rule science on most decisions. Hit the target on the spreadsheet, I am interested to know more about what exactly this bad shit in 10 15 or even 50 to 150 years will actually be? Predictions of some coastline changes aside. What will actually change, and how will that affect humans, on a large scale. I read quite a lot of theories, and yes I am a cynic who takes the piss out of most things, as I am sure you have figured out. But I would be interested in your views on what will actually happen.. Fresh water will become a scarcity in a lot of the world while other parts will be deluged, Winters will become unpredictable along with summers, early late harsh mild, sowing times will be worthless and dry and wet month long spells will reduce crop yields massively (the five main crops that feed the world are grown in roughly 4 places at scale, there in the center's of large land masses, which will be effected the worse). A third of the world's population along with nearly every nuclear power station(about 400 of them) lies next to the sea or a major River, all of which will be effected by large scale flooding. Another third of the population live off or the direct tributies of glacial waters, these are nearly all under massive reduction and or unpredictable run off. The other third of the population live off marine life, all of which is already under a massive die off, all crops are cross pollinated by bees and insects, they too are under a massive die off, in some regions we've seen a 70% loss of insect life. This is at 1.1 degrees of warming of course, what we now know is that the warming is not linear but exponential in nature, that 1.1 degrees of warming caused by fossil fuel usage and industrial civilization is going to cause somewhere between 2 and 6 degrees of natural warming (methane, further c02 and water vapour). The c02 is being mostly soaked up by the oceans, there pH value is now the highest the oceans have been in 3 million years, a higher pH value means carbonated shell life will lose the ability to live, that's crabs lobsters and alike gone not to mention coral reefs. The thermaline ocean currents will be drastically altered by 3 degrees of warming, they keep hot places cooler and cooler places hotter both of which is extremely bad news. The biggest worry is that we'll lose the artic summer sea ice very soon (probably within a few years), earth's albedo effect will be altered and the arctics profoundly, dark ocean water absorbs heat much more than white ice and there's around a trillion tonnes of methane clathrates locked in perma frost there,a 4% release of that is enough to heat the world a further 4 degrees. . In a nut shell we'll lose our habitat in a decade and without habitat no large mammals will survive." of course those degrees of warming are only average, meaning some areas will be much warmer ....... like the 3° warmer parts of the Southern Indian ocean have experienced of late. Apart from dead coral, some nasty weather that has caused too! | |||
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"Well I don’t know much about what global warming is doing around these parts . I mean it’s clocks change tomorrow night to signal British summer time and it’s still fucking freezing with more freezing weather forecast for Easter . So if that’s global warming it’s not working very well is it ? ". That's because the "cold" that the northern hemisphere is currently experiencing (it's bad everywhere not just here) has been unleashed from its normal resting place of the Arctic circle. Something called the polar vortex which is basically a fast spinning wind of pressure normally keeps that cold locked inside the Arctic, the jet stream which this wind is usually keeps to a relatively steady pattern and longitude with little waves of dips and highs, however due to a lot warmer Arctic and ocean than normal We've now began to see this jet stream meandering quite badly, this meandering North and south allows hot air from the south to penetrate the Arctic and very cold air to penetrate south onto land masses like the UK and Europe. At one point this winter the jet stream actually dipped below the equator, something never seen or recorded in human history. That jet stream is pretty important to the UK's weather when it starts to go hey wire like it has been doing for a decade or two but much more seriously worse in the last few years we get those very very wet periods that flooded everywhere a few years back, extremely strong fluctuations in winter temperatures like we're seeing now, wet overcast miserable summers like we've experienced for awhile.... Which isn't great to live in I admit but if your a flower or a tree or a crop of food it's even worse because for them they can't run indoors and get warm or dry like you can, the insects that rely on that flora and fauna at very specific times for their offspring start to dwindle, when they go the birds Go when the birds Go when the birds Go the berries that rely on the birds to move the seeds go when the berries go... You see where this ends don't you?. Eventually the top of the food chain animals go because without the lower food chain we ain't got no chain. For a very simple exercise write down the five things you think are essential for human life to exist! Then look at those five things and have a long hard think about what's happening to them. | |||
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"Well I don’t know much about what global warming is doing around these parts . I mean it’s clocks change tomorrow night to signal British summer time and it’s still fucking freezing with more freezing weather forecast for Easter . So if that’s global warming it’s not working very well is it ? .
That's because the "cold" that the northern hemisphere is currently experiencing (it's bad everywhere not just here) has been unleashed from its normal resting place of the Arctic circle.
Something called the polar vortex which is basically a fast spinning wind of pressure normally keeps that cold locked inside the Arctic, the jet stream which this wind is usually keeps to a relatively steady pattern and longitude with little waves of dips and highs, however due to a lot warmer Arctic and ocean than normal We've now began to see this jet stream meandering quite badly, this meandering North and south allows hot air from the south to penetrate the Arctic and very cold air to penetrate south onto land masses like the UK and Europe.
At one point this winter the jet stream actually dipped below the equator, something never seen or recorded in human history.
That jet stream is pretty important to the UK's weather when it starts to go hey wire like it has been doing for a decade or two but much more seriously worse in the last few years we get those very very wet periods that flooded everywhere a few years back, extremely strong fluctuations in winter temperatures like we're seeing now, wet overcast miserable summers like we've experienced for awhile....
Which isn't great to live in I admit but if your a flower or a tree or a crop of food it's even worse because for them they can't run indoors and get warm or dry like you can, the insects that rely on that flora and fauna at very specific times for their offspring start to dwindle, when they go the birds Go when the birds Go when the birds Go the berries that rely on the birds to move the seeds go when the berries go... You see where this ends don't you?.
Eventually the top of the food chain animals go because without the lower food chain we ain't got no chain.
For a very simple exercise write down the five things you think are essential for human life to exist!
Then look at those five things and have a long hard think about what's happening to them.
"Bloody hell , that’s a great explanation . Thank you for taking the time to do that . Makes me think differently now .... | |||
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"Well I don’t know much about what global warming is doing around these parts . I mean it’s clocks change tomorrow night to signal British summer time and it’s still fucking freezing with more freezing weather forecast for Easter . So if that’s global warming it’s not working very well is it ? .
That's because the "cold" that the northern hemisphere is currently experiencing (it's bad everywhere not just here) has been unleashed from its normal resting place of the Arctic circle.
Something called the polar vortex which is basically a fast spinning wind of pressure normally keeps that cold locked inside the Arctic, the jet stream which this wind is usually keeps to a relatively steady pattern and longitude with little waves of dips and highs, however due to a lot warmer Arctic and ocean than normal We've now began to see this jet stream meandering quite badly, this meandering North and south allows hot air from the south to penetrate the Arctic and very cold air to penetrate south onto land masses like the UK and Europe.
At one point this winter the jet stream actually dipped below the equator, something never seen or recorded in human history.
That jet stream is pretty important to the UK's weather when it starts to go hey wire like it has been doing for a decade or two but much more seriously worse in the last few years we get those very very wet periods that flooded everywhere a few years back, extremely strong fluctuations in winter temperatures like we're seeing now, wet overcast miserable summers like we've experienced for awhile....
Which isn't great to live in I admit but if your a flower or a tree or a crop of food it's even worse because for them they can't run indoors and get warm or dry like you can, the insects that rely on that flora and fauna at very specific times for their offspring start to dwindle, when they go the birds Go when the birds Go when the birds Go the berries that rely on the birds to move the seeds go when the berries go... You see where this ends don't you?.
Eventually the top of the food chain animals go because without the lower food chain we ain't got no chain.
For a very simple exercise write down the five things you think are essential for human life to exist!
Then look at those five things and have a long hard think about what's happening to them.
Bloody hell , that’s a great explanation . Thank you for taking the time to do that . Makes me think differently now .... ". Thank you and your welcome. We all at times have a habit of thinking because things have been this way for a long time and all of human life that things are never going to be any different and because of the scale of things we often think things are more robust than they actually are. Sadly the earth and life on it is far far more delicately and preciously balanced then one would like. The earth comes in and out of ice age and interglacial periods just by 2 degrees of tilt on its axis or by getting 0.02% closer to the sun on its wobbly orbit, another 1% nearer to the sun and we wouldn't even be in the "Goldilocks" zone. Very small details make things very very different which is why scientists have worried about this for a long time. Unfortunately I'm firmly in the this is predicament camp not a problem camp. | |||
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