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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should he now be called sir Bradley Wiggins the cheating bastard.

Has a certain ring to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or 'Sir Bradley Wiggins,the alleged cheat'.

That might be more accurate.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Or 'Sir Bradley Wiggins,the alleged cheat'.

That might be more accurate."

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By *aughtyLondonGuyMan
over a year ago

london

I don't believe he is a cheat in the same way as Lance Armstrong

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By *apascouseMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Just to say theres no proof and the medication is used for a lot of skin conditions which a cyvlist could suffer from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's he done?

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

does raise the spectre of how much "legal" doping is going on in sport, the poor record keeping certainly adds doubt to any denial.

No idea if he really did or if deliberate but being at the top of the sport sure paints a target on his back and our press do love to sling mud to upsell their brand of bogroll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with his sport is that you have to cheat to win . They are nearly all doing it .

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By *oncambsukMan
over a year ago

st ives

All based on an anon informant with no evidence. If it wasnt MPs saying this under Parliamentary privilege they would be sued.

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining"

hmmm, till we start seeing competitors dropping dead while performing, in front of TV and kiddies. Nah not good imho

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By *oncambsukMan
over a year ago

st ives

"does raise the spectre of how much "legal" doping is going on in sport, the poor record keeping certainly adds doubt to any denial.

No idea if he really did or if deliberate but being at the top of the sport sure paints a target on his back and our press do love to sling mud to upsell their brand of bogroll"
They never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Should he now be called sir Bradley Wiggins the cheating bastard.

Has a certain ring to it

No he shouldn't. He has not broken any rules regarding doping. You can guarantee most of his competitors were doing exactly the same.

It is the doping rules that need to be looked at and tightened up.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

This is from a government department report. The same government that frequently choose to ignore or 'not recognise' expert analysis and investigation when it doesn't suit their particualr agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guity of abusing a system that doesn't have clear areas of definition, ethically he is in a shit situation but legally has no case to answer. And the defence "I'm just a cyclist, the team employ doctors to look after me" while having little credibility is pretty hard to discredit.

Brailsford, British cycling and SKY are all completely tarnished though.

What is interesting is how much this is being reported when the ceuticism of Coe and the IAAF is far more damming.

And the revelation that as well as a dodgy coach Mo Farah also had a dodgy doctor and tbat that doctor now being on the FA's payroll as doctor to the English football team is barely worth a mention

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Guity of abusing a system that doesn't have clear areas of definition, ethically he is in a shit situation but legally has no case to answer. And the defence "I'm just a cyclist, the team employ doctors to look after me" while having little credibility is pretty hard to discredit.

Brailsford, British cycling and SKY are all completely tarnished though.

What is interesting is how much this is being reported when the ceuticism of Coe and the IAAF is far more damming.

And the revelation that as well as a dodgy coach Mo Farah also had a dodgy doctor and tbat that doctor now being on the FA's payroll as doctor to the English football team is barely worth a mention"

the bbc website does give a much more in depth look at the questions that have been raised and thus far not answered or have been answered in a manner that the average man in the street may only take the view that things have taken place that are very suspect..

delivering a jiffy bag half way across Europe when what it is alleged to contain was readily available locally does look iffy..

add in the team Doctor being too unwell to testify, the laptop containing the medical records is stolen with no back up and the Doctor now under investigation from the GMC..

Coe claiming he never even opened the attachments to an email concerning doping allegations which then allowed him to say he 'knew nothing' about specific doping allegations..

it all looks iffy ..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In the truest sense of the word, he's a great big cheat bum!

Technically he's not broken any rules, he's just lied and cheated to gain an advantage

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Should he now be called sir Bradley Wiggins the cheating bastard.

Has a certain ring to it

No he shouldn't. He has not broken any rules regarding doping. You can guarantee most of his competitors were doing exactly the same.

It is the doping rules that need to be looked at and tightened up. "
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It's always the rules and never the individuals fault hey!!.

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere

He has not cheated

He was still the best over all the stages

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He has not cheated

He was still the best over all the stages "
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Yes I guess that's what 4 times the amount of steroids required to fix your non existent asthmatic condition does for you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You'd think when writing your autobiography you'd have mentioned how your life long asthmatic condition had hindered your career?.

No I'm only asthmatic after it comes out I've been taking steroids allowed for those affected by asthma

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Mind you with a 12 million pound reward for cheating I guess the temptation is to much for some weak willed people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has not cheated

He was still the best over all the stages "

Look at tge pictures of him when he won tbe tour. He look anorexic. Them look at the benefit long term use of the drugs he was taking.

So he was the best because he lost weight amd massively increased his power to weight ratio by using drugs he should never have been prescribed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never quite understood the high amount of riders taking asthma medication. Surely if you had asthma you could not compete at such a high level in such a physically demanding sport. probably far more complicated than I will ever understand but it just doesn't sit right with me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really don't care, the trick to winning when all else is equal is to skirt as close to the line as possible, without crossing it.

Problem with that is twofold, one, which side of the line you appear to be on depends on the observers viewpoint, and two, sometimes they move the line.

You could argue if we are to get the best value out of sports, we should allow performance enhancing drugs, it will show us the best medical uses for various cocktails.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Really don't care, the trick to winning when all else is equal is to skirt as close to the line as possible, without crossing it.

Problem with that is twofold, one, which side of the line you appear to be on depends on the observers viewpoint, and two, sometimes they move the line.

You could argue if we are to get the best value out of sports, we should allow performance enhancing drugs, it will show us the best medical uses for various cocktails. "

Maybe there should be 'Anything goes' games? Where the competitors can use whatever performance enhance substance that want; infact, don't just restrict it to substances... performance enhancing equipment; turn up on a motor bike... for the 100m sprint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brailsford, British cycling and SKY are all completely tarnished though.

What is interesting is how much this is being reported when the ceuticism of Coe and the IAAF is far more damming.

And the revelation that as well as a dodgy coach Mo Farah also had a dodgy doctor and tbat that doctor now being on the FA's payroll as doctor to the English football team is barely worth a mention

delivering a jiffy bag half way across Europe when what it is alleged to contain was readily available locally does look iffy..

add in the team Doctor being too unwell to testify, the laptop containing the medical records is stolen with no back up and the Doctor now under investigation from the GMC..

Coe claiming he never even opened the attachments to an email concerning doping allegations which then allowed him to say he 'knew nothing' about specific doping allegations..

it all looks iffy .."

If this was a Russian champion they would have needed much less than this to be branded a cheat.

I've always liked Wiggins but I its very iffy indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything goes games would be great. 100m in 8.5 s

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

What the fuck are a bunch of MPs doing producing “reports” into this anyway????

They don’t have enough to do and concentrate on other than poking around in something they probably have very little understanding of?

Are we all appalled by why has or has not gone on? Is there concrete evidence that the man is being tried on ... or are we just being led a merry dance by innuendo, supposition and here-say which actually has no direct consequence on how much better our country is or could be...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a cunt, he absolutely crucified Armstrong in the papers over cheating, and then we find out he'd been at it too, I hope everyone brings this up every day for the rest of his natural born days, serve him right, for being all holier than thou, I'd love to know what lance Armstrong has to say about it all

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"What a cunt, he absolutely crucified Armstrong in the papers over cheating, and then we find out he'd been at it too, I hope everyone brings this up every day for the rest of his natural born days, serve him right, for being all holier than thou, I'd love to know what lance Armstrong has to say about it all"

Has he been cheating??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has he been cheating??

Apparently the whole asthma thing is all bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What the fuck are a bunch of MPs doing producing “reports” into this anyway????

They don’t have enough to do and concentrate on other than poking around in something they probably have very little understanding of?

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It was the committee on sports and culture and yes plenty of evidence and no this isn't anything to do with anything about how good the county is or isn't, it's just about a bloke who's cheated and made a fucking fortune out of it!.

Should we just ridicule him for decades like Armstrong just as a warning to any others thinking of the 12 million quid windfall?

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By *mbermanMan
over a year ago

bothwell

The idea that someone drove from England to Belgium with some substance gave it to the athletes and neither of them new what it was is damning , sorry for me cheats the so called asthma medication he could have got in Belgium in 5minutes ,

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

In most sports at the elite level you’ll find some form of PED usage. Endurance sports like cycling, are at the extreme end and winners get deals. There are athletes who rise without substance usage but those people are rare.

What people seem to forget is behind the athlete, there are often millions at stake and where there’s money, there’s politics and sometimes corruption.

It can’t be stopped, the organisations have strict testing but the elite labs are usually one step ahead.

Personally, they should allow certain products to be used for competition and though it may be controversial, it could be a solution to this unstoppable cheating mess.

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By *itch and TwatCouple
over a year ago

Nr Rushden Lakes

"Really don't care, the trick to winning when all else is equal is to skirt as close to the line as possible, without crossing it.

Problem with that is twofold, one, which side of the line you appear to be on depends on the observers viewpoint, and two, sometimes they move the line.

You could argue if we are to get the best value out of sports, we should allow performance enhancing drugs, it will show us the best medical uses for various cocktails. "

A couple of interesting cases of moving the line are caffeine, which has been in and out of the regulations over the years - even club runners know about the positive effects of having strong coffee/red bull/caffeine tablets before a race; and meldonium, which Sharapova was banned for shortly after it was put on the proscribed list.

The difference between ethically questionable and definitely illegal behaviour is often a grey area...all elite athletes in whatever sport attempt to gain advantages in as many ways as possible, and bioactives are just one part of the matrix.

I guess it’s the public perception (created by the media) of Good Guys and Bad Guys which is also a problem...it’s more like shades of grey. Paula Radcliffe is asthmatic too btw. Allan Wells (100m winner at Moscow Olympics in 1980 for the youngsters reading) was a committed gym user with a massive upper body (steroids?). Coe himself was an incredible athlete, but who knows if it was all natural ability?

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By *acktar74Man
over a year ago

leeds

I just think it's a vicious cycle

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By *itch and TwatCouple
over a year ago

Nr Rushden Lakes

"I just think it's a vicious cycle "

At least the wheels keep turning...

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Cycling is the most corrupt sport there is .

Le tour is the most corrupt event there is in sport .

They Ban armstrong & strip him of 7 tours without ever having caught him cheating or failing 1 test , & yet allow cyclists who have failed multiple tests & served multiple bans , to retain position & ranks/jerseys in virtually every other tour there has been even though they were cheating while winning.

Accused of cheating but never caught are winners like Roche Indurain Merckx

Caught cheating Virenque Ullrich Contador all records still in tact . .

Its not a case of whether they cheat anymore .

Either allow all the drugs, or ban anyone who takes an aspirin .

As for dying because of drugs in sport plenty have already

If its out in the open better control happens .

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By *acktar74Man
over a year ago

leeds

"I just think it's a vicious cycle

At least the wheels keep turning..."

I fear these puns will be recycled

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

"Cycling is the most corrupt sport there is .

Quite a large statement if you consider Football and F1.

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

Steriods to help with a medical condition in endurance sports is a very grey area...its not about muscle mass or actual strength gains..overall over a 5-7hr race stage up and down severe mountains roids wont benifit you in the way you think...its all about blood oxygen ppl..you need as much red blood cells to feed your muscles...thats what an endurance athlete needs..im guessing this medication wiggy was put on actually stimulated his lungs to open them up and store as much oxygen as possible...the amount of guys who are anemic on tour is another story..theres medication that helps there blood levels too...but again it is a grey area and it is all in the guidelines of uci rules...uci have made major gains since lance got busted..no ones use EPO or blood transfusions..it is way cleaner than alot of ppl think compared to most sports...most teams train in altitude in the off season or before a grand tour because there are major benifits to be hsd..1 obviously theres alot of climbing to be done so thats great forthere training levels before a major event...2..it naturally raises your red blood cells when you are high above sea level after a number of weeks..would you see this as gaining an unfair advantage or just smart training...either way theres always gonna be doping in any sport..it still doesnt take away the sheer effort and fitness level these guys are at..hard as nails...chapeau!!!

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Cycling is the most corrupt sport there is .

Le tour is the most corrupt event there is in sport .

Accused of cheating but never caught are winners like Roche Indurain Merckx

Caught cheating Virenque Ullrich Contador all records still in tact . .

Its not a case of whether they cheat anymore .

Either allow all the drugs, or ban anyone who takes an aspirin .

As for dying because of drugs in sport plenty have already

If its out in the open better control happens .

Contador was stripped of his yellow jersey in 2010..given to andy schlek in something like 2012 lol..plus floyd landis was stripped of his tour win in 06...funny enough both these guys were riding for the same team as armstrong during this time for the record...i still love it...off course there will be doping...all sports do im affraid

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

To be fair, the drugs in question are a massive way away from the EPO, Growth Hormone, and Blood Swapping that was rife in the 90's & early 00's. But it is apparent that in all sports, the "permitted use" of drugs is common place. Each team knows exactly how much of what they can get away with and many, many athletes are given prescription drugs designed for extreme versions of minor ailments rather than taking over the counter remedies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What gets me is there is a "Parliamentary ethics committee" made up if politicians telling other people what is ethically correct......

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Surely if everyone is exploiting the approved drugs list then everyone is essentially competing on an even level anyway?!

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Cool sideburns tho.

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

This

Taking drugs for an illness that you haven’t got and therefore gaining an unfair advantage is cheating. Whether it’s ‘within the rules’ or not, it’s cheating.

Guy on tv this morning says, statistically, if you are born with asthma you are more likely to win an Olympic medal, on account that nearly all Olympians are taking asthma medication.

Cheating cunts one and all.

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

"What gets me is there is a "Parliamentary ethics committee" made up if politicians telling other people what is ethically correct......"

Isn’t that an oxymoron......?

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"Isn’t that an oxymoron......?"

Well the second bit of that is definitely correct.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

This

Taking drugs for an illness that you haven’t got and therefore gaining an unfair advantage is cheating. Whether it’s ‘within the rules’ or not, it’s cheating.

Guy on tv this morning says, statistically, if you are born with asthma you are more likely to win an Olympic medal, on account that nearly all Olympians are taking asthma medication.

Cheating cunts one and all. "

That doesn't add up though does it. If you actually have asthma then the drugs just allow you to be able to breath like a non asthmatic. The issue is how many of these asthmatic medalists actually have asthma?

Asthma is a very serious condition that many people don't understand. You are a priority call for ambulances, people die from asthma. My uncle did. But stories like this belittle it and cause people to think it's a joke condition.

Similarly, with the paralympics starting on Friday, cheating in para sport is rife. Athletes binding their limbs before tests so that they appear weaker than they are. People having amputations higher up than needed so that they can get into different categories in their chosen sport to increase their chances of winning. That is disgusting!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just think it's a vicious cycle

At least the wheels keep turning...

I fear these puns will be recycled "

Tenner says all three were already tired out by the time they appeared here.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"Cheating cunts one and all. "

I don’t get it. A Dr says he has a condition; he gets permission from the sport’s governing body to use a drug; government ministers (those well known paragons of probity and virtue) say he’s behaved unethically.

Even if we chose to believe the the right honourable gentlemen, the only person who appears to have broken any sort of ethical code is the dr prescribing unnecessary medication and telling this patient he needs to take it.

My main takeaway from this story was to ask myself what bad news was being buried elsewhere while the press worked themselves into a self-righteous fervour about sport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The idea that someone drove from England to Belgium with some substance gave it to the athletes and neither of them new what it was is damning , sorry for me cheats the so called asthma medication he could have got in Belgium in 5minutes , "
Alain Baxter lost his ski slalom Olympic medal because he used a Canadian version of a vicks inhaler. The one we use in England is perfectly legal however the one he bought contained a banned substance. So I can see why the medication was bought in from there trusted source

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They say it is unethical but he doesn't broken any rule...lol definitely it is the rule that need changing...

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

The fact team sky asked ppl to believe in them and thrust them makes it much worse IMO

And they continue to lie and cover up

Cheating hypocrite bastards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much advantage this gave Wiggins over a punishing 3 week TDF is open for negotiations. The Tour is as much about strategy than out and out performance, and while the "treatments" are legal they do raise questions about the morality of the teams actions as during the Tour none of the Sky team tested positive. What this has however shown is that the UK is an openness about its sport testing and; something that a lot of other countries fail on. Some of sports biggest dopers are the big player (the USA for example), we need to continue to be open and become more like the Australians.

The most shocking aspect of all this was Coe's handling of doping in athletics; that said he was an athlete in the 80's when all athletes were on performance drugs; the 84 US Olympic squad for one

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining"

Just think

The LSD marathon

The skunk toboggan run

I can't see it catching on really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

Just think

The LSD marathon

The skunk toboggan run

I can't see it catching on really "

F1 would be more interesting if they had to have 5 pints and a couple of Jagerbombs before the start and 3 Tequila slammers at each pit spot

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

Just think

The LSD marathon

The skunk toboggan run

I can't see it catching on really "

I would pay good money to watch an LSD marathon

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

This

Taking drugs for an illness that you haven’t got and therefore gaining an unfair advantage is cheating. Whether it’s ‘within the rules’ or not, it’s cheating.

Guy on tv this morning says, statistically, if you are born with asthma you are more likely to win an Olympic medal, on account that nearly all Olympians are taking asthma medication.

Cheating cunts one and all.

That’s the point the guy was making. If you were to believe these athletes and their doctors then nearly all Olympic medalists have asthma. Bradley Wiggins doesn’t mention anywhere in his book (apparently) that he has asthma yet before he won the Tour de France he had a massive dose of asthma drugs.

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By *itch and TwatCouple
over a year ago

Nr Rushden Lakes

"I just think it's a vicious cycle

At least the wheels keep turning...

I fear these puns will be recycled

Tenner says all three were already tired out by the time they appeared here."

I was going to say “misery guts” but then I got the pun...doh...must be tired myself!

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Should he now be called sir Bradley Wiggins the cheating bastard.

Has a certain ring to it

How about, I know all Lord Coe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He did make a dramatic change in body shape,but every elite level athlete 'prepares',sky raised the bar in terms of preparation,pushing the limits maybe,always seemed to me after Tour n Olympic win he was a bit sad,as if he'd down something he wasn't happy with?

Will say this,saw him at an unveiling of monument where Tom Simpson was born last year,he's passionate about cycling,no need to do this event did it cos he's a cyclist at heart,hope things turn out ok,seems like a good guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

hmmm, till we start seeing competitors dropping dead while performing, in front of TV and kiddies. Nah not good imho"

Already happened,not live on TV but when epo first came out the blood thickened that much quite a few athletes went to sleep,n never woke up,heart couldn't push blood round,that's why cyclists in 2000s were getting up in middle of night to have a spin on turbo trainer

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Uk cyclist tommy simpson died on tv on the tour in 67 from amphetamines. Died on the saddle while asking spectators to give him a push.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

Just think

The LSD marathon

The skunk toboggan run

I can't see it catching on really

F1 would be more interesting if they had to have 5 pints and a couple of Jagerbombs before the start and 3 Tequila slammers at each pit spot"

That's the greatest idea since inner city sumo wrestling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All based on an anon informant with no evidence. If it wasnt MPs saying this under Parliamentary privilege they would be sued. "

Question:

What I'd like to know is why do we have a Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee in the first place? Surely our MP's have more important things they should be focusing on such as Homelessness, Poverty, Unemployment, Crime and Education to name just a few.

In fact I could probably name a hundred or more things more important that they could be looking at. As I understand it not only was it an anonymous source he didn't actually break any rules. Whether whatever he has done was right or wrong I don't know or care but I do query why they are saying all this, couldn't they find a sportsperson who had actually broken any rules? Or are they more likely just trying to justify the existence of another time and money wasting pointless parliamentary committee.

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Possibly because , The Wigg was part of a team

Involved around A certain Mr Brailsford .

As lottery funding was awarde to team GB & as Sky & Team GB

Have very cllse connections , it is right to question was

Lottery funding & Possible Government money was used for

Doping in Sport.

Some of this money could well have been used for the

Issues you have raised instead of supporting a sport riddled with drug cheats

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

"I think doping should be allowed in sports, it would be much more entertaining

Just think

The LSD marathon

The skunk toboggan run

I can't see it catching on really "

I think my football team use drugs, shame its feckin' sleeping tablets though

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

This

Taking drugs for an illness that you haven’t got and therefore gaining an unfair advantage is cheating. Whether it’s ‘within the rules’ or not, it’s cheating.

Guy on tv this morning says, statistically, if you are born with asthma you are more likely to win an Olympic medal, on account that nearly all Olympians are taking asthma medication.

Cheating cunts one and all.

Its not as far.from the truth as youd think .

Extreme Endurance athletes do have a far higher

Chance of asthma . Although these studies do say

If these people were not primed athletes & normal people

There asthma risk would be radically reduced .

Bit like Footballers dropping dead from heart problems .

The heart changes shape to enable faster blood supply

By thickening the vessels . But the advers effect of this is if it gets to thick the blood slows down .

All in all top level sport is tainted .

I say cycling is the most corrupt because since Simpson died & others have died because of complications ( Marco Pantani )

Very little has been done to stop the cheating .

Make it legal , everyone is allowed to use some form of controlled enhancement .

The paralympians was a shocker of a story .

6 inch nails through the bottom of the seat so the nail would enter the body , there was no feeling but the body still reacts & produces much higher levels of adrenalin.

Laughable if it wasnt so sad in the truest sense of what sport is .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drugs in "sport" have been around for a long time.

I this became more of a problem when sport stopped becoming real sport. Money drives it unfortunately!

Did he cheat? technically not (probably)

Did he cheat himself? probably!

Did he cheat his Dr to blag these drugs?

Did the Dr ignore/ bend the rules and not follow guidelines on prescribing the "medication"?

All elite sportsmen will sail as close to the wind as possibly to stay where they need to be, the huge status and money that is in "sport" these days will cloud people's judgement on all levels.

I think you will find anabolic steroid use in pro rugby, pro boxing, also a lot of strength sport is way way more than the general public realise.

The only way to help keep pro athletes clean would be regular blood testing, is this likely to happen?

I think even the general public can answer that one.

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By *herrybaby114Couple
over a year ago

Luton

No one mentioning Froome....another cheat!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone has Netflix you might want to give Icarus a watch to realise how widespread doping was. Quite topical at the moment with the Winter Olympics just finished and cycling in the news again. Not certain but I think it won the Oscar for best documentary film as well and deservedly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does raise the spectre of how much "legal" doping is going on in sport, the poor record keeping certainly adds doubt to any denial.

No idea if he really did or if deliberate but being at the top of the sport sure paints a target on his back and our press do love to sling mud to upsell their brand of bogroll They never let the truth get in the way of a good story!"

This 100 fold.

As soon as we have protection of identity of anyone victims or non-victim it will always be the case of guilty till proven otherwise and even then they won't accept it . Bit like the non brexiteers asking or another vote because they didn't like the majority result.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"What the fuck are a bunch of MPs doing producing “reports” into this anyway????

They don’t have enough to do and concentrate on other than poking around in something they probably have very little understanding of?

Should we just ridicule him for decades like Armstrong just as a warning to any others thinking of the 12 million quid windfall?"

Its got fuck all to do with MPs, select committees and the rest. Simple point

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere

Wiggins is the victim of a witch hunt

It's wrong and it's just the media trying to create a story out of nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not a witch hunt...in my opinion..we love to bash the Russians for state sponsered doping cos the media loves to bash them...but when the 'fancy bears' hack in to whats really going on in western sport we get all upset and try to play down what is going on in our own back yard ..and try and play it down ??

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"No not a witch hunt...in my opinion..we love to bash the Russians for state sponsered doping cos the media loves to bash them...but when the 'fancy bears' hack in to whats really going on in western sport we get all upset and try to play down what is going on in our own back yard ..and try and play it down ??"

The biggest difference between the Russian situation and Sky\Wiggins is that Russian sport was found guilty of systematically administering Banned Substances to a huge number of professional sportsmen\women in many sports... where as Sky & Bradley Wiggins have been ACCUSED of using the rules to their limits and taking prescription treatments with permission from the governing body.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What gets me is there is a "Parliamentary ethics committee" made up if politicians telling other people what is ethically correct......"

At least someone sees the ironie in all this....

Lying cheat corrupt people writing a damming report into cheating within sport (remember this is not just about cycling and wiggo). You have to laugh at it all.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Excellent points all well made, go to UKAD website & look at the list of current bans, might (or may not) surprise you which is the most represented sport if you take media publicity/interest into account.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?"

Why would you what? Feel so much hatred? No idea, that's the good thing about cycling, the endorphins are great for tacking anger and stress

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Excellent points all well made, go to UKAD website & look at the list of current bans, might (or may not) surprise you which is the most represented sport if you take media publicity/interest into account."

Yes the UKAD site is pretty interesting reading. Although 1 ban is extremely worrying, the cyclist who had never raced and never had a livenue but was memvery of a club so falls under doping regulations. He brought bodybuilding drugs online, intercepted by customs, customs told UKAD who busted him!

I'm not sure that is what UKAD should be focusing on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cyclists on the road seem to be all on drugs too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mud has been thrown,the finger has been pointed,even if it comes out hes clean it will be"hes the guy who got accused of cheating"

Sods law

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?"

Why would you go out and participate in a sport which not only keeps you incredibly fit, but which you enjoy? Erm let’s think about this one..........

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The mud has been thrown,the finger has been pointed,even if it comes out hes clean it will be"hes the guy who got accused of cheating"

Sods law"
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Yeah, that 12 million pounds, big, house and fancy Dan life will be of little comfort then,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?

Why would you go out and participate in a sport which not only keeps you incredibly fit, but which you enjoy? Erm let’s think about this one..........

If you want to simply keep fit they have bikes in the gym. You do not need to cause havoc on the roads, wear knobhead lycra to copy the retards that take drugs and claim to be sportsmen. As far as enjoy goes most of the cretins around our way grimace and look in pain. Get wet and cold, cycle in pairs or groups against the highway code laws and whine like babies if you have the nerve to drive past them within eight feet.

Enjoyment? Does appear to be giving much joy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bike people .........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?

Why would you go out and participate in a sport which not only keeps you incredibly fit, but which you enjoy? Erm let’s think about this one..........

Enjoyment? Does appear to be giving much joy!

The highway code and laws are 2 separate things. Neither even come close to suggesring it's illegal to cycle in pairs or groups

So the one part of your rant that you try to imply is fact to substantiate your vitriol is completely untrue...

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Can I remind people of the forum summary

Forum Rules

In summary: If you treat other people with respect, you can't go far wrong. Don't forget that the forums are meant to be fun, if you find yourself fuming and writing long angry messages you're probably best taking a break from it.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"All these ponsey weirdo lycra wearing geeks are on dope or drugs of some sort ....riding a bicycle a little bit quickly or up or down a hill is not a sport, just a child's pastime.

Sir Bradley knobhead, Chris frome, lance Armstrong et al are all cheating worthless twats only trumped by those sad fuckers that go out on a weekend trying to emulate these cretins...why would You?"

You sound like a football fan?

I think i can smell the mix of frustration and desperation at not winning anything for well over 50 years apart from an early bus ride home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

champion cyclist to junkie benfit scrounger in one easy injection .... who'd have thought it?

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