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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yeah, that’ll do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trump is a fuckin idiot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places

Shoot out at the OKCoral!

All this will incite are more casualties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

my first thought

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

How about arming students? Doctors and nurses? Perhaps anyone or everyone should carry a gun?

Oh..they do already.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

In short, Trump will go only so far to try to appease the masses.

He is to closely involved and supportive of the pro gun lobby and the NRA.

To go against them could cost him and his party countless votes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is no place for politics.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

1689 that law was put into the american constitution, back then they only had guns that one fire one shot then took 5 minutes to reload.

i have a cousin who lives in Missouri and he has a relative who has a small arsenal of fire arms, apparently he could start his own war with the amount of guns he has.

why does any one person need so many guns? Surely one is enough, after all it is meant as a way to defend yourself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1689 that law was put into the american constitution, back then they only had guns that one fire one shot then took 5 minutes to reload.

i have a cousin who lives in Missouri and he has a relative who has a small arsenal of fire arms, apparently he could start his own war with the amount of guns he has.

why does any one person need so many guns? Surely one is enough, after all it is meant as a way to defend yourself?"

Yes, but all guns were pretty much the same then. many there will argue that they should have the same guns as their government in order to be able to stop said government getting uppity...which is like saying that socially and politically they haven't moved on from those times......

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!

my first thought"

I hope that the teacher of home economics is ex special forces or they are simply there to take a bullet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is the schools responsibility to look after and protect the children whilst in their care, in a country where guns are legal and mass shootings are a regular thing then id say this is a good thing, unless each school has its own army and swat team at the ready then what better way to protect the children from gun wielding maniacs

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

He is consistent, I suppose.

Do you remember after the Paris attacks, Trump said it happened because French people were not allowed to carry guns so could not respond?

It's an American disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what if that teacher is having a tough day..... What if it's a supply teacher who gets to the breaking point... What if the teacher has the gun taken off them. What if the teacher is shot first before realising an attack is about to happen... What if the teacher didn't sign up to the career to be a security guard.

A lot of what ifs be easier if.they took assault rifles off the legal market. Funny name for them if they are for defence like everyone likes to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So let me get this right......more guns?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The american history is built around the gun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know since sandy hook in 2012 where 20 children and 6 adults died,there have been more than 1,600 mass shootings,killing more than 1,800 people and congress still wont do anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cannot believe people in here actually think there is any merit in this. I mean really? FFS!!

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

The man is dangerous,a complete cockwomble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know since sandy hook in 2012 where 20 children and 6 adults died,there have been more than 1,600 mass shootings,killing more than 1,800 people and congress still wont do anything"

They don't care. It doesn't affect them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a country where so many people have guns...I assume that the amount of good people that have guns is far higher than the amount of bad people that have guns.

They claim they need to have guns to protect themselves...if guns are so good for protection, how come so many bad people manage to shoot so many good people?

There is never a good person with a gun when you need them!

Is more good people with guns the solution... I doubt that very much! But it is the only solution that will ever be reached while "democracy" is run by party donators and lobby groups.

It is very sad that these groups are aloud to hold all that power and influence and continue to peddle the myth that guns are the solution, not the problem!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is no place for politics. "

You went to the effort of opening a post you weren't interested in. Then went to the effort to read at least some of it. Then, you not only went to the effort to comment, you also try to dictate what other people have a rite to discuss!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have an easier solution to the problem equip all schools with tear gas bombs or another kind of chemical when an attack is happening press a red button and boom everyone in the building is incapasitated.

Im sure the kids would rather be gassed than killed

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

It's about time we tackled disruptive behaviour in the classroom and youthful high-jinx.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

I’ll just say watch this as it’s hilarious and on topic

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"The american history is built around the gun"

And that is the fundamental problem that every American politician has to grapple with.

It's one of those hot potatoes that no one wants to touch.

And people are criticising Trump, but what did Obama do about gun control in 8 years, and there were high school and college shootings when he was president? Nothing!

And why is arming teachers so stupid? Those teachers, as Americans, generally have a right to bear arms like any other US citizen in their private lives.

Whether the wet blanket teacher that we all remember, or a young female elementary (primary school) teacher would be of much use, is another question, but there are those that would be quite capable with a gun.

I remember 3 teachers in particular that would have fitted the Dirty Harry profile well, and I could imagine any of them sorting out some lunatic before a massacre ensued, but then I did go to a boarding school, at a time when teachers still ruled the classroom!

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I don't know about you lot but when I went to school (yes ok it was a looooong time ago) the teachers where the nastiest fuckers to ever walk the earth and you wonna give these useless thick unfeeling fuckwits a gun. I don't think so.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That’s it

Stop the earth

Fuck this

I’m getting off

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By *moothnessMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Moscow theater hostage crisis didn't turn out good with use of gas. 130 dead.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

So what would YOU do then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Adds a whole new meaning to Risk Assessment doesn't it!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That’s it

Stop the earth

Fuck this

I’m getting off

"

Don't leave without me, Take me with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's about time we tackled disruptive behaviour in the classroom and youthful high-jinx."

"We" as in the UK? It already is being tackled. Explain youthful high-jinx to me please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can imagine some of the teachers I worked with panicking and shooting their own foot off.

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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

For all countries that implemented gun controls, gun crime reduced and school shootings likewise went down.

So gun control is a proven way of tackling the problem.

On the other hand, in countries that relax gun controls or have remained lax, there is a higher rate of gun crime.

I really don’t see the issue here. Much as I really, really want an assault rifle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Puts a gun to the back of your head, "what do you mean you haven't done your homework"

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By *asques and boxersCouple
over a year ago

Ashford and dept16


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

Unless the teacher is that nutter mental health knows no boundaries

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By *asques and boxersCouple
over a year ago

Ashford and dept16


"In short, Trump will go only so far to try to appease the masses.

He is to closely involved and supportive of the pro gun lobby and the NRA.

To go against them could cost him and his party countless votes."
money buys power

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

How different life in America must be

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

Trump is an idiot, that’s a given. He’s pro life when it comes to pregnancy but wants to arm every man woman and child!! Their politicians can’t even pass a law that prevents people on the terror watch list from buying arms!!

I watched a video the other day of a 13 year old kid getting refused when he tries to buy alcohol, cigarettes, porn mags and even a scratch card. He wasn’t old enough to work behind a cash register. He certainly wasn’t old enough to vote. Yet he was old enough to legally buy a 22 calibre rifle from a private seller.

I feel sad for them.

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff


"As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious."

I totally agree.

If a first world country has to arm it's teachers to protect their children, something has gone horribly wrong! But instead of getting to the root of the problem more guns are being thrown at it! How many more children need to be murdered before they wake up and realise that adding more guns is not the answer! There are psychological issues here that need looking into and dealt with, but they are being ignored because guns are the answer apparently, actually looking into why someone would choose to kill children and deal with that is just too much hard work.

How long will it be before a teacher's and family's life is torn apart because they have killed a child/children through crap aim or misunderstanding a situation? Or some stressed out teacher is pushed too far...? What will the answer be then, arm the kids?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious.

I totally agree.

If a first world country has to arm it's teachers to protect their children, something has gone horribly wrong! But instead of getting to the root of the problem more guns are being thrown at it! How many more children need to be murdered before they wake up and realise that adding more guns is not the answer! There are psychological issues here that need looking into and dealt with, but they are being ignored because guns are the answer apparently, actually looking into why someone would choose to kill children and deal with that is just too much hard work.

How long will it be before a teacher's and family's life is torn apart because they have killed a child/children through crap aim or misunderstanding a situation? Or some stressed out teacher is pushed too far...? What will the answer be then, arm the kids?"

Trump is struggling to get any laws passed. Can you imagine any President in the history of America being able to change the constitution? The right to bear arms is in the constitution. You need to change a fundamental part of the constitution.

That is not going to happen. So you have to look at other solutions.

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants


"As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious.

I totally agree.

If a first world country has to arm it's teachers to protect their children, something has gone horribly wrong! But instead of getting to the root of the problem more guns are being thrown at it! How many more children need to be murdered before they wake up and realise that adding more guns is not the answer! There are psychological issues here that need looking into and dealt with, but they are being ignored because guns are the answer apparently, actually looking into why someone would choose to kill children and deal with that is just too much hard work.

How long will it be before a teacher's and family's life is torn apart because they have killed a child/children through crap aim or misunderstanding a situation? Or some stressed out teacher is pushed too far...? What will the answer be then, arm the kids?

Trump is struggling to get any laws passed. Can you imagine any President in the history of America being able to change the constitution? The right to bear arms is in the constitution. You need to change a fundamental part of the constitution.

That is not going to happen. So you have to look at other solutions.

"

It’s the second amendment, which means it’s already been changed once.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What you expect from him. Man is genius.

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.”

BING BING BONG BONG

President Stable genius

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious.

I totally agree.

If a first world country has to arm it's teachers to protect their children, something has gone horribly wrong! But instead of getting to the root of the problem more guns are being thrown at it! How many more children need to be murdered before they wake up and realise that adding more guns is not the answer! There are psychological issues here that need looking into and dealt with, but they are being ignored because guns are the answer apparently, actually looking into why someone would choose to kill children and deal with that is just too much hard work.

How long will it be before a teacher's and family's life is torn apart because they have killed a child/children through crap aim or misunderstanding a situation? Or some stressed out teacher is pushed too far...? What will the answer be then, arm the kids?

Trump is struggling to get any laws passed. Can you imagine any President in the history of America being able to change the constitution? The right to bear arms is in the constitution. You need to change a fundamental part of the constitution.

That is not going to happen. So you have to look at other solutions.

It’s the second amendment, which means it’s already been changed once. "

I don't think you understand the point, or the constitution do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess the teachers have to be armed as shootings increases in schools.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"It's about time we tackled disruptive behaviour in the classroom and youthful high-jinx.

"We" as in the UK? It already is being tackled. Explain youthful high-jinx to me please. "

You know, high-jinx? Throwing rubbers across the class room, supergluing the teachers mug, sticking pencils up your nose etc. I'm just saying this disruptive behaviour is not fair on the students who want to learn. Is detention really enough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

We have knife crime here in uk. We should arm teachers with knives

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By *nsatiable Needy BratWoman
over a year ago

Here and There


"It's about time we tackled disruptive behaviour in the classroom and youthful high-jinx.

"We" as in the UK? It already is being tackled. Explain youthful high-jinx to me please.

You know, high-jinx? Throwing rubbers across the class room, supergluing the teachers mug, sticking pencils up your nose etc. I'm just saying this disruptive behaviour is not fair on the students who want to learn. Is detention really enough?"

I totally agree. I have five daughters and they can all be dicks at times. I've often considered moving from a belt to a gun. I understand how hard it must for teachers with a class of thirty pupils.

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By *anetandNickCouple
over a year ago

Ross-on-Wye


"The man is dangerous,a complete cockwomble"

Oh my I had never heard that word before - and yes it's a genuine word. Aptly applied to Trump, but who else could I use it to describe?

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants


"As well as a gun,the shooter has a willingness to fire it,indiscriminately.Obvious really but how many teachers would have that willingness to open fire in a school full of children?

On hearing gunfire and screams,a teacher bursts into the room and has to quickly identify the gunman in a crowd,aim and fire accurately,avoiding the innocent. Could you do that? I couldn't. Are the teachers recruited from the SAS? No,they are more likely to be ordinary people with as much distaste for guns as anybody else.

Some might say that giving everybody a gun puts them all on an equal standing but,the same effect is achieved by giving nobody a gun.

How amny school shootings have we suffered since the Dunblane tragedy? How many have Australia had? The solution is obvious.

I totally agree.

If a first world country has to arm it's teachers to protect their children, something has gone horribly wrong! But instead of getting to the root of the problem more guns are being thrown at it! How many more children need to be murdered before they wake up and realise that adding more guns is not the answer! There are psychological issues here that need looking into and dealt with, but they are being ignored because guns are the answer apparently, actually looking into why someone would choose to kill children and deal with that is just too much hard work.

How long will it be before a teacher's and family's life is torn apart because they have killed a child/children through crap aim or misunderstanding a situation? Or some stressed out teacher is pushed too far...? What will the answer be then, arm the kids?

Trump is struggling to get any laws passed. Can you imagine any President in the history of America being able to change the constitution? The right to bear arms is in the constitution. You need to change a fundamental part of the constitution.

That is not going to happen. So you have to look at other solutions.

It’s the second amendment, which means it’s already been changed once.

I don't think you understand the point, or the constitution do you?"

You say they have to change a fundamental part of their constitution and say it’s never going to happen. I simply pointed out that it has already, so why can’t it happen again.

But ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trump is a fuckin idiot"
he's a very wealthy idiot

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Yeah, that’ll do it "

Exactly what I thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's clearly the teachers' fault. If they were armed they could've just shot the guy and carried on with lessons.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"It's clearly the teachers' fault. If they were armed they could've just shot the guy and carried on with lessons. "

Instead of being a sitting duck to be gunned down by the madman.

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Saw this on Facebook :

When my child hits another with a stick, i don't blame the stick but i still take the stick away.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"Saw this on Facebook :

When my child hits another with a stick, i don't blame the stick but i still take the stick away.

"

Because life is that simple. Typical nonsense Facebook post.

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

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A lot of teachers are already under stress, I doubt many of them will want the added pressure off having to carry a gun,

What happens if a stressed out teacher pulls a gun out on a child he can't control and shoots him/her ?

The NRA's answer will probably be arm the children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"
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Unless it's the teacher

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this just typical of Trump?

County has an issue with gun ownership on mass,and multiple shootings and massacres.

And his plan? Bring more guns into schools

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this just typical of Trump?

County has an issue with gun ownership on mass,and multiple shootings and massacres.

And his plan? Bring more guns into schools "
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To be fair, they have a real problem with mentally ill lunatics, the guns are just a side issue

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"Is this just typical of Trump?

County has an issue with gun ownership on mass,and multiple shootings and massacres.

And his plan? Bring more guns into schools "

Bit unfair, he is after all a stable genius

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres that many mentally ill lunatics they even elected one to preside over all the other mentally ill lunatics.

I think it's working out quite well

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere

About the worse outcome

For a start teachers have to agree to it. I can't imagine that happening.

Active shooter will first take out a teacher. Why put a target on your back.

Teachers shoot back kill a student and get done for murder

Police arrive and man shooting . Police kill him. It's a teacher.

Absolute fucking cunt of a president in charge of one fucked up country.

All evidence shows guns needs seriously sorting out

Nra needs a massive overhaul

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere


"Saw this on Facebook :

When my child hits another with a stick, i don't blame the stick but i still take the stick away.

"

That's all there is to it but Americans are so wrapped up in the bull shit of owning a gun. They are blind to the fact that the issue is guns. Nothing else.

Guns don't keep them safe or all these mass shootings would not happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?"

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what would YOU do then?"

- Challenge the notion that the right to bear arms is outdated in a modern society with organised security forces

- Scrutinise every person wanting a gun

- Limit gun ownership to one small firearm with no automatic capability

- Ban semi-automatic and automatic guns from private ownership

- Initiate a government buy-back scheme to take guns out of circulation

- Promote a tolerant society

Should I go on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what would YOU do then?

- Challenge the notion that the right to bear arms is outdated in a modern society with organised security forces

- Scrutinise every person wanting a gun

- Limit gun ownership to one small firearm with no automatic capability

- Ban semi-automatic and automatic guns from private ownership

- Initiate a government buy-back scheme to take guns out of circulation

- Promote a tolerant society

Should I go on?"

Should have said to challenge the notion that the right to bear arms is necessary in a modern society ...

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

That's just a crazy notion

How often does that work?

Someone with a gun firing in return in a panic will be hitting more innocents. Then they will have murder charges

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere

Charge 1000$ for a bullet. Then people can keep their guns

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over a year ago

No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hey in a country that has guns in just about every household ,trump also being pro guns what surprise is it that he would condone teachers having them ........they sell machine guns in Asda in Florida

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Charge 1000$ for a bullet. Then people can keep their guns"

Top idea!

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is"

Yeah but the UK and Ireland put crazy restrictions on stuff. In Ireland we had to tackle not just guns, but bomb making, and now you cant even buy fireworks.

You cant buy any product that can be broken down into bomb making materials, even stuff you can walk into a shop in USA and buy you cant get here.

America seen the UK clamp down on every country it went to, removing guns, removing weapons, removing ways for people to fight back and they did something radical, they said "everyone can have a gun, and this will stop us ever becoming like the old type countries enforcing our will on people".

No one in the UK can understand how powerful and great that is. That if the US goverment pushes them too far, they can fall into civil war immediately, straight away.

Thats the only reason guns are illegal in the UK. Right now the UK can just tell Scotland to shut up over brexit, imagine 90% of them had guns at home and bullets.

The ability to say no to your government comes with the consequences that now and again people will be hurt. It seems silly to force a law on the whole country when these people getting murdered are actually a tiny minorty and could be killed in bomb or knife attack or even car attack instead.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is

Yeah but the UK and Ireland put crazy restrictions on stuff. In Ireland we had to tackle not just guns, but bomb making, and now you cant even buy fireworks.

You cant buy any product that can be broken down into bomb making materials, even stuff you can walk into a shop in USA and buy you cant get here.

America seen the UK clamp down on every country it went to, removing guns, removing weapons, removing ways for people to fight back and they did something radical, they said "everyone can have a gun, and this will stop us ever becoming like the old type countries enforcing our will on people".

No one in the UK can understand how powerful and great that is. That if the US goverment pushes them too far, they can fall into civil war immediately, straight away.

Thats the only reason guns are illegal in the UK. Right now the UK can just tell Scotland to shut up over brexit, imagine 90% of them had guns at home and bullets.

The ability to say no to your government comes with the consequences that now and again people will be hurt. It seems silly to force a law on the whole country when these people getting murdered are actually a tiny minorty and could be killed in bomb or knife attack or even car attack instead."

My god what f****up logic.

You can change and challenge your government peacefully. It happens all the time without people getting killed.

Casual collateral damage sounds so simple and easy until it’s you or yours become the collateral damage.

I can’t see an AR-15/M-16 being much use against a government M1 tank or missile carrying drone. Or Scottish AK-47 against an Apache helicopter. Even a well armed and supported IRA failed against well equipped governments ( both Erie and Uk ).

It funny we can buy a lot of stuff in the UK that they can’t in America like alcohol at 18.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

That's just a crazy notion

How often does that work?

Someone with a gun firing in return in a panic will be hitting more innocents. Then they will have murder charges "

I didn't say give everyone a gun, they have to be capable and competent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

What if that nut happens to be a teacher?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is

Yeah but the UK and Ireland put crazy restrictions on stuff. In Ireland we had to tackle not just guns, but bomb making, and now you cant even buy fireworks.

You cant buy any product that can be broken down into bomb making materials, even stuff you can walk into a shop in USA and buy you cant get here.

America seen the UK clamp down on every country it went to, removing guns, removing weapons, removing ways for people to fight back and they did something radical, they said "everyone can have a gun, and this will stop us ever becoming like the old type countries enforcing our will on people".

No one in the UK can understand how powerful and great that is. That if the US goverment pushes them too far, they can fall into civil war immediately, straight away.

Thats the only reason guns are illegal in the UK. Right now the UK can just tell Scotland to shut up over brexit, imagine 90% of them had guns at home and bullets.

The ability to say no to your government comes with the consequences that now and again people will be hurt. It seems silly to force a law on the whole country when these people getting murdered are actually a tiny minorty and could be killed in bomb or knife attack or even car attack instead."

I think the idea of US gun owners rising up against an unjust government is nothing more than some fantasist wet dream. Guns are not illegal in the UK, not yet anyway. There are about 700,000 gun owners in the UK and it is a growing sport...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is

Yeah but the UK and Ireland put crazy restrictions on stuff. In Ireland we had to tackle not just guns, but bomb making, and now you cant even buy fireworks.

You cant buy any product that can be broken down into bomb making materials, even stuff you can walk into a shop in USA and buy you cant get here.

America seen the UK clamp down on every country it went to, removing guns, removing weapons, removing ways for people to fight back and they did something radical, they said "everyone can have a gun, and this will stop us ever becoming like the old type countries enforcing our will on people".

No one in the UK can understand how powerful and great that is. That if the US goverment pushes them too far, they can fall into civil war immediately, straight away.

Thats the only reason guns are illegal in the UK. Right now the UK can just tell Scotland to shut up over brexit, imagine 90% of them had guns at home and bullets.

The ability to say no to your government comes with the consequences that now and again people will be hurt. It seems silly to force a law on the whole country when these people getting murdered are actually a tiny minorty and could be killed in bomb or knife attack or even car attack instead."

Really well thought out argument. Well done. Awesome. Presidential candidate here.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is

Yeah but the UK and Ireland put crazy restrictions on stuff. In Ireland we had to tackle not just guns, but bomb making, and now you cant even buy fireworks.

You cant buy any product that can be broken down into bomb making materials, even stuff you can walk into a shop in USA and buy you cant get here.

America seen the UK clamp down on every country it went to, removing guns, removing weapons, removing ways for people to fight back and they did something radical, they said "everyone can have a gun, and this will stop us ever becoming like the old type countries enforcing our will on people".

No one in the UK can understand how powerful and great that is. That if the US goverment pushes them too far, they can fall into civil war immediately, straight away.

Thats the only reason guns are illegal in the UK. Right now the UK can just tell Scotland to shut up over brexit, imagine 90% of them had guns at home and bullets.

The ability to say no to your government comes with the consequences that now and again people will be hurt. It seems silly to force a law on the whole country when these people getting murdered are actually a tiny minorty and could be killed in bomb or knife attack or even car attack instead."

And as a by-product of this wonderous "freedom", kids butcher each other with assault weapons.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what if that teacher is having a tough day..... What if it's a supply teacher who gets to the breaking point... What if the teacher has the gun taken off them. What if the teacher is shot first before realising an attack is about to happen... What if the teacher didn't sign up to the career to be a security guard.

A lot of what ifs be easier if.they took assault rifles off the legal market. Funny name for them if they are for defence like everyone likes to say."

My thoughts exactly. Astonished at the amount of folk thinking this is a good idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......"

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?"

How do you define a bad guy with a gun? Surely if someone uses their gun to kill a "bad guy with a gun" they too become a bad guy? Can you see where that will end up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

How do you define a bad guy with a gun? Surely if someone uses their gun to kill a "bad guy with a gun" they too become a bad guy? Can you see where that will end up?"

So all of our armed forces and armed police are bad guys, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

How do you define a bad guy with a gun? Surely if someone uses their gun to kill a "bad guy with a gun" they too become a bad guy? Can you see where that will end up?

So all of our armed forces and armed police are bad guys, right?"

If they start shooting people at will then yes.

Or are you suggesting that soldiers and off duty police can lawfully shoot people in the UK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

What happens if the next nutter happens to be the teacher

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?"

okay... there are very much common sense stuff that you can do, but the NRA at every single turn oppose...

for example...

that go on about the 2nd amendment.... the right to bare arms.... it doesn't say you can own ANY arms you want! the government have already said you can't own an automatic weapon!they are banned!!! but was Bush snr that banned them!

you can take weapons out of circulation if you ban them.... these semi automatic weapons aren't design the hunt, they are designed for one thing!

no one is out to ban all guns... that bird flew decades ago... but the NRA play on the "we are taking them all away!" when that has never been a line

also....ban extended magazines..... there is no situation outside war where someone needs 30-40 bullets where 5-10 maximum will do.... run into a stampede of elephants lately?

my friends still hunt back home... here is something my friend says... if you need 30 bullets to hunt a deer, stick to fishing!

at the moment the rights of those who believe in protecting the 2A over-rides the rights of kids to live!

universal background checks.... 97% of people support them.... 97% of NRA members support them, but the top level NRA leadership won't budge on this issue.....

its all part of a big jigsaw.... i left the us when i was 14.... bullets came a bit too close to me for comfort, and to be honest, if i had stayed, my mouth would have gotten me into trouble and i doubt i would be here today!

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?"

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

Or the next nutter will use bigger guns, or explosive devices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

okay... there are very much common sense stuff that you can do, but the NRA at every single turn oppose...

for example...

that go on about the 2nd amendment.... the right to bare arms.... it doesn't say you can own ANY arms you want! the government have already said you can't own an automatic weapon!they are banned!!! but was Bush snr that banned them!

you can take weapons out of circulation if you ban them.... these semi automatic weapons aren't design the hunt, they are designed for one thing!

no one is out to ban all guns... that bird flew decades ago... but the NRA play on the "we are taking them all away!" when that has never been a line

also....ban extended magazines..... there is no situation outside war where someone needs 30-40 bullets where 5-10 maximum will do.... run into a stampede of elephants lately?

my friends still hunt back home... here is something my friend says... if you need 30 bullets to hunt a deer, stick to fishing!

at the moment the rights of those who believe in protecting the 2A over-rides the rights of kids to live!

universal background checks.... 97% of people support them.... 97% of NRA members support them, but the top level NRA leadership won't budge on this issue.....

its all part of a big jigsaw.... i left the us when i was 14.... bullets came a bit too close to me for comfort, and to be honest, if i had stayed, my mouth would have gotten me into trouble and i doubt i would be here today!

"

So you don't actually have an alternative other than to allow people to be killed not more than 5-10 at a time before reloading? Bad guy still needs to be stopped.How do you do it, it's a simple question?

Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of the US NRA or Donald Trump. It's too late for the US, they are screwed. Just too many guns out there. Some will inevitably fall into the hands of crazies, lawfully or unlawfully.

Background checks would take generations before you started to see any beneficial effects. In the UK, generally, people are allowed to have guns for recreational or land management purposes, but they must demonstrate their good reason and be able to show they can use them responsibly and competently. The US is the polar opposite. Most people can have a gun, just because they want one on whatever whim, until they show that they shouldn't. Too late then..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns. "

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most. "

You can argue all you like but ALL the Data is against you.

Less access to guns equal less gun deaths.

Less guns equal less gun deaths.

The same way fewer people were killed by cars when fewer cars were on the road.

The death per head by gun crime of Europe vs USA perfectly demonstrate my argument.

Having fired military grade rifles and machine guns a lot I know having a bigger magazine makes all the difference to how many shots you can get off. If it didn’t the military would be happy with a 5 round magazine and you would not need a belt fed machine gun.

But a larger magazine does make a difference and that why the armies like a 30/50 round magazine

Like every crime you can’t eliminate it but you can reduce it significantly. Which the uk and others have done by tight control of firearms.

You provide data that supports your argument and I’ll listen. At the moment your just posting irrational statements based on hot air.

Here enduth the argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most. "

Armed response units carry guns for self defence? Really?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most. "

Seriously ?

The idea is idiotic and obviously idiotic

It is as ridiculous as also suggesting all the kids should be armed too

So let's just say we give the teacher guns

Are we also giving them body armour as they will need it as an open target , which of course they would be the FIRST target of any lunatic who KNOWS the teacher has a gun , thus surprise and get rid first with 100 bullets a minute because they can

Also what training are we giving here ? To be competent with gun use and it's DEFENSIVE use ? To read a situation to shoot straight to avoid hitting another child to deal with a bullet going through the body of the gun person and into a child's skull ?

Giving a teacher a gun and hoping they could be effective defence is as insane as suggesting if a child had an accident that mr Henson the history teacher should anaeanaesthesitise and perform sugary just because he has a sharp knife

It's gun culture acceptance and glorification of guns and shooting that are a main causation NOT that there is no one with a gun to shoot back !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most.

You can argue all you like but ALL the Data is against you.

Less access to guns equal less gun deaths.

Less guns equal less gun deaths.

The same way fewer people were killed by cars when fewer cars were on the road.

The death per head by gun crime of Europe vs USA perfectly demonstrate my argument.

Having fired military grade rifles and machine guns a lot I know having a bigger magazine makes all the difference to how many shots you can get off. If it didn’t the military would be happy with a 5 round magazine and you would not need a belt fed machine gun.

But a larger magazine does make a difference and that why the armies like a 30/50 round magazine

Like every crime you can’t eliminate it but you can reduce it significantly. Which the uk and others have done by tight control of firearms.

You provide data that supports your argument and I’ll listen. At the moment your just posting irrational statements based on hot air.

Here enduth the argument.

"

Well of course if there were no guns there would be no gun deaths, so less guns equals less gun deaths. We should also stop comparing the UK and the US, as I said earlier, two totally different approaches to gun control.

The original issue was how do you stop a bad guy with a gun? Other than a good guy with a gun, no-one has come up with an answer. What's yours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most.

Armed response units carry guns for self defence? Really?"

Yes, defence of themselves and others, or are you sugeesting they exist solely to execute people.

S.3 Criminal Law Act

Common Law

Article 2 Human Rights Act

PACE Act 1984

Look them up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most.

Seriously ?

The idea is idiotic and obviously idiotic

It is as ridiculous as also suggesting all the kids should be armed too

So let's just say we give the teacher guns

Are we also giving them body armour as they will need it as an open target , which of course they would be the FIRST target of any lunatic who KNOWS the teacher has a gun , thus surprise and get rid first with 100 bullets a minute because they can

Also what training are we giving here ? To be competent with gun use and it's DEFENSIVE use ? To read a situation to shoot straight to avoid hitting another child to deal with a bullet going through the body of the gun person and into a child's skull ?

Giving a teacher a gun and hoping they could be effective defence is as insane as suggesting if a child had an accident that mr Henson the history teacher should anaeanaesthesitise and perform sugary just because he has a sharp knife

It's gun culture acceptance and glorification of guns and shooting that are a main causation NOT that there is no one with a gun to shoot back !"

Where have I advocated arming teachers and or students? I am talking about how to stop a bad guy with a gun before people got there arses in their hands, and still no-one has a viable alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saw this on Facebook :

When my child hits another with a stick, i don't blame the stick but i still take the stick away.

"

Something similar on Twitter earlier :

If your child hits another child with a stick, do you:

A. Give everybody sticks

B. Give certain kids sticks who are adept with sticks to defend everyone else

C. Take away the stick

Of course as someone else said it all seems very simplistic on social media and the real issues are a lot more complex, but I’m guessing most people here would say C, with the NRA lobby adamant that A is the answer!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's sad to see so many people on here actually agreeing with Trump!?!

Adding more guns to the mix is never going to solve the problem..

You've only got to look at Australia for the solution! The math is already done.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's so ignorant of him but he doesn't care.

He gains $millions from the National Rifle Association and won't support gun restrictions - it's abhorrent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These school shooters are cowards, if there was a chance somebody was going to shoot back at them they probably wouldn't do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trump is an absolute clown.Arming teachers as a 1St line of defence for kids is ludicrous.The whole problem in the US is to many guns and the small minded people who keep spouting rubbish like ITS MY RIGHT TO BARE ARMS.Well a true leader who cares for his country,people and more so children would not worry about votes and do the right thing dump the guns.The UK doesn't have schools getting shot up and kids dying everyweek.Take a leave out of a smaller but much more civilized country and do the right thing otherwise the blood of any other victims fall on your hands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's so ignorant of him but he doesn't care.

He gains $millions from the National Rifle Association and won't support gun restrictions - it's abhorrent "
its their constitution it always has been just because its always been wrong doesn't mean its easy to put right ,we know smoking kills and is harmful to our health but our government doesn't ban it because they get billions in taxes from the cigarette industry ' it kills ' same difference

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By *ccasionalfunCouple
over a year ago

hereandthere


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most. "

So you suggest armed civilians could have stopped that?

Armed civilian ends up causing death or damage to someone or thing else - charged with murder or damage

Police turn up and see man shooting. They shoot him dead oh dear it was armed civilian

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one would suggest that the wau to tackle rising knife crime in the UK would be for everyone to carry knives. Which demonstrates just what a ridiculous idea this is"

Exactly. He's just diverting attention and 'blaming' the teachers. Surprised he didn't blame the security guard for not stopping the gunman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's sad to see so many people on here actually agreeing with Trump!?!

Adding more guns to the mix is never going to solve the problem..

You've only got to look at Australia for the solution! The math is already done."
they've already got the guns nothing is changing ,you can buy an automatic weapon in the local supermarket as you can in Italy

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"So let me get this right......more guns?

Bearing in mind you can't remove all the guns, the best defence against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

and that my friends is the exact mantra of the NRA........ word for word......

So how would you deal with a bad guy with a gun?

Funny we have an excellent system in the UK of dealing with the problem. It’s called trained armed response.

It’s not the bad guy that’s the issues it’s that the bad guy in the US can so easily buy an assault rifle ir gun.

Reduce the access to guns reduces the access by bad guys to guns.

The average active shooter situation is over in @8 minutes. I think this latest one was @6 minutes and the killer fled the scene amongst his peers. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The armed response to the killing of Lee Rigby, in our capital city in broad daylight took @15 minutes! Oh, and the bad guys with gun and blades were stopped by good guys with guns. Police, because of course, no-one else can carry firearms for self-defence in the UK. Armed police are a dwindling resource in the UK, despite increased terrorist threats, so good luck with them being there when you need them most.

You can argue all you like but ALL the Data is against you.

Less access to guns equal less gun deaths.

Less guns equal less gun deaths.

The same way fewer people were killed by cars when fewer cars were on the road.

The death per head by gun crime of Europe vs USA perfectly demonstrate my argument.

Having fired military grade rifles and machine guns a lot I know having a bigger magazine makes all the difference to how many shots you can get off. If it didn’t the military would be happy with a 5 round magazine and you would not need a belt fed machine gun.

But a larger magazine does make a difference and that why the armies like a 30/50 round magazine

Like every crime you can’t eliminate it but you can reduce it significantly. Which the uk and others have done by tight control of firearms.

You provide data that supports your argument and I’ll listen. At the moment your just posting irrational statements based on hot air.

Here enduth the argument.

Well of course if there were no guns there would be no gun deaths, so less guns equals less gun deaths. We should also stop comparing the UK and the US, as I said earlier, two totally different approaches to gun control.

The original issue was how do you stop a bad guy with a gun? Other than a good guy with a gun, no-one has come up with an answer. What's yours?"

Yes the question is ‘ how do you stop a bad guy with a gun ‘. Unfortunately this is a very general question but specific question at the same time so it allows the asker to jump around a bit.

The big answer is better gun control as per Uk: Europe: Australia: Canada etc.

The short answer is with well trainer armed response law enforcement officers. These are the only good guys with a gun.

The wrong answer is the US answer and allow open freedom to guns for all.

Yes the US and Uk have different forms of government and you can compare. Why ? Because they both have a system of government that issues and changes laws. The US has added and removed Ammendments to it Constitution namely 18 and 21. They can if the desire is their remove the 2nd amendment.

Another example would be to take US and UK army forces bases. Although trained to use weapons all soldiers leave their weapons in a weapons rack in billets or in a weapon safe. The only people allowed to carry weapons around on an army base are the the Military Police.

So even the army which trains people to handle weapons professionally only allows trained police to daily carry a weapon in their society.

You can bring up 100s if examples of if this or if that happened but that’s the answer.

Tighter gun control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An armed civilian might have stopped that. The unarmed ones stood no chance. You make it sound like just anyone could carry a gun, which is the US' s huge mistake. A civilian, properly vetted, trained and willing could help in those situations. Their problem isn't that people have guns, it is that the wrong people have guns. So, yes control over the types of guns available and who has them. The police could accidentally shoot the wrong person? Of course they could. If you're not willing to take that small risk, then don't carry, and run away or die with everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

An armed civilian might have stopped that. The unarmed ones stood no chance. You make it sound like just anyone could carry a gun, which is the US' s huge mistake. A civilian, properly vetted, trained and willing could help in those situations. Their problem isn't that people have guns, it is that the wrong people have guns. So, yes control over the types of guns available and who has them. The police could accidentally shoot the wrong person? Of course they could. If you're not willing to take that small risk, then don't carry, and run away or die with everyone else."
but don't you agree guns are already there and available,always have been ,Americans are mostly in favour of them ,Trump as unpopular as he is is only making an after the event statement which obviously he is pressured into doing as president and wouldn't the presence of a means of defence against a weapon that is freely present amongst American citizens and was somehow available to a 19 year old boy ,wouldn't the precence of that means of defence been a deterrent?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Working in a school, as I do. You wouldn't believe the number of teachers who can't manage to leave their phone/keys/wallet etc.. laying about in the last classroom they visited. I'd be so worried about where their gun could end up.

And what happens someone looses their temper at being called a verbally or physically assaulted (as happens all too often)? Teachers are generally permanently on the edge... these are not stable people.

Cal

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"

An armed civilian might have stopped that. The unarmed ones stood no chance. You make it sound like just anyone could carry a gun, which is the US' s huge mistake. A civilian, properly vetted, trained and willing could help in those situations. Their problem isn't that people have guns, it is that the wrong people have guns. So, yes control over the types of guns available and who has them. The police could accidentally shoot the wrong person? Of course they could. If you're not willing to take that small risk, then don't carry, and run away or die with everyone else."

There was an armed person there. He was trained, vetted and paid. But in the heat of things he was not willing. He did nothing.

Actually freely moving into danger requires a lot of training.

Fortunately I’ve fired a few weapons in my time and I’ve been shot at and stabbed Hitting a man sized target under stress is actually very hard which is why the professionals who carry them in the Uk do a lot of training.

Training sufficiently for these if incidents is a full time job not something you do for 2 hours a week. If it was so easy to train people you wouldn’t need standing armies.

Also by vetting, training etc you reduce the pool of people who can carry a gun. What happens if nobody in that school had passed the vetting training or was willing ? There would have been no to combat him anyway. Unless you forced trained shooter where to live. So your argument is flawed.

Your argument is full of If if if if.

As I said come back with scientific evidence and I’ll listen. Right now your just talking rubbish and I’m wasting my time.

Good day to you sir.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

"

nothing of interest going on in our country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what if that teacher is having a tough day..... What if it's a supply teacher who gets to the breaking point... What if the teacher has the gun taken off them. What if the teacher is shot first before realising an attack is about to happen... What if the teacher didn't sign up to the career to be a security guard.

A lot of what ifs be easier if.they took assault rifles off the legal market. Funny name for them if they are for defence like everyone likes to say."

Maybe you could have them in locked boxes needing two codes to unlock or an unlock signal from central offices and the teachers code.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?"
.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

An armed civilian might have stopped that. The unarmed ones stood no chance. You make it sound like just anyone could carry a gun, which is the US' s huge mistake. A civilian, properly vetted, trained and willing could help in those situations. Their problem isn't that people have guns, it is that the wrong people have guns. So, yes control over the types of guns available and who has them. The police could accidentally shoot the wrong person? Of course they could. If you're not willing to take that small risk, then don't carry, and run away or die with everyone else.

There was an armed person there. He was trained, vetted and paid. But in the heat of things he was not willing. He did nothing.

Actually freely moving into danger requires a lot of training.

Fortunately I’ve fired a few weapons in my time and I’ve been shot at and stabbed Hitting a man sized target under stress is actually very hard which is why the professionals who carry them in the Uk do a lot of training.

Training sufficiently for these if incidents is a full time job not something you do for 2 hours a week. If it was so easy to train people you wouldn’t need standing armies.

Also by vetting, training etc you reduce the pool of people who can carry a gun. What happens if nobody in that school had passed the vetting training or was willing ? There would have been no to combat him anyway. Unless you forced trained shooter where to live. So your argument is flawed.

Your argument is full of If if if if.

As I said come back with scientific evidence and I’ll listen. Right now your just talking rubbish and I’m wasting my time.

Good day to you sir. "

It sounds like we have similar experiences, but you have ultimate faith in these state sponsored trained people being there at the very moment you need them, and I don't. If you have experience there, you will know that nobody trains full time for these incidents. Where were they at Hungerford, At Dunblane and at Whitehaven? Each atrocity committed by a licensed gun owner that the system had failed to deal with, despite having identified certainly the first two. Whitehaven was carried out with commonly held firearms, not high capacity, high rate of fire types, and still many people were killed and injured. None of these killers were stopped by the Police, ultimately they killed themselves.

Life is full of ifs, never black and white, and what would you like proven by scientific evidence. But of course, you won't be reading this....

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple
over a year ago

Leeds


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

Hopefully none at all.

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin


"As much of a twat as he is, good on him. Maybe the next nutter who tries to shoot up a school won't kill so many people!"

Hmmm.....so will teachers now also have target painted on their foreheads?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

More guns, equals more shooting and more deaths.... Just ask the Syrians..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arm the kids as well

Following the logic of arming the teachers

A class of 30 all armed to the teeth will surely deter any would be attackers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different"

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?"
.

What makes you think that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?.

What makes you think that?"

I ask because of the line "who gives a fuck really?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?.

What makes you think that?

I ask because of the line "who gives a fuck really?""
.

What!, you didn't read the beginning when I was clearly talking about debating us gun laws in the UK??.

That line is clearly aimed at that,I made no such claim about the actual shooting or the newsworthiness of it as a story

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?.

What makes you think that?

I ask because of the line "who gives a fuck really?".

What!, you didn't read the beginning when I was clearly talking about debating us gun laws in the UK??.

That line is clearly aimed at that,I made no such claim about the actual shooting or the newsworthiness of it as a story "

"We seem obsessed with what's going on in the USA. Who gives a fk?"

Yes I did read it and asked (notice the question mark?) whether you meant what you seemed to be implying.

Do you believe that USA gun laws only impact that country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand how every time the USA has a shooting the UK HAS to debate USA gun laws, its ridiculous!.

nothing of interest going on in our country?.

We seem obsessed at times in whats happening in the USA, who gives a fuck really?.

If people in the states choose to own lots of guns who am I to tell them different

You think schoolchildren being murdered is of no interest?.

What makes you think that?

I ask because of the line "who gives a fuck really?".

What!, you didn't read the beginning when I was clearly talking about debating us gun laws in the UK??.

That line is clearly aimed at that,I made no such claim about the actual shooting or the newsworthiness of it as a story

"We seem obsessed with what's going on in the USA. Who gives a fk?"

Yes I did read it and asked (notice the question mark?) whether you meant what you seemed to be implying.

Do you believe that USA gun laws only impact that country? "
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No I believe USA gun laws should be USAs business, nearly half the country chooses to own a gun, the fact that crazy people get hold of them and choose to shoot people on mass is also their business.

The UK made its choice after dunblane

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