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"To be fair I'd be pissed off with any company breaching the DPA with my details such as liberty elite are alleged to have done. If makes no difference if its swinging related or not." That's not what I asked. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Òf course you should Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Maybe Isn't that the only way things change? Maybe And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, We trust that those who ask for personal i fo will protect it swing phones, Have one false number plates on cars, Thats illegal isnt it? swing second homes etc? Now thats just silly " | |||
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"To be fair I'd be pissed off with any company breaching the DPA with my details such as liberty elite are alleged to have done. If makes no difference if its swinging related or not. That's not what I asked. " Ok | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? " If you could genuinely lose your job and many could you should consider ensuring that you can't be recognised by your profile or pictures and only meet privately. I don't think you should be prepared to fight against the stigma of you don't want to. Not everyone wants to be a campaigner nor should they have to be. Many people whose jobs would be at risk do maintain a fairly high level of discretion. Those who don't naively assume everyone will be discreet or don't realise that they could lose their job over it. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? " I'm prepared and I'm willing to fight | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. " Do you want to go and read the other thread again. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again." No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again. No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it." Did you understand there is no panic, threats of legal action or widespread fear of 'outing'? It appears to me that a lot of people, whether on the list or not, are angry and/or upset about their personal data being released. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? " I would be devastated my whole life would be upside down ,hair would be pulled i would emigrate to the outer hebrides   | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again. No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it. Did you understand there is no panic, threats of legal action or widespread fear of 'outing'? It appears to me that a lot of people, whether on the list or not, are angry and/or upset about their personal data being released." Yes, fear that their personal data has been released leading to an outing. Plenty of posts saying "oh what if....etc". I'd have thought that was obvious? Otherwise are people just really concerned on here about the data protection act and hate to see it breached by any organisation? | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again. No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it. Did you understand there is no panic, threats of legal action or widespread fear of 'outing'? It appears to me that a lot of people, whether on the list or not, are angry and/or upset about their personal data being released. Yes, fear that their personal data has been released leading to an outing. Plenty of posts saying "oh what if....etc". I'd have thought that was obvious? Otherwise are people just really concerned on here about the data protection act and hate to see it breached by any organisation? " you don't use personal email surely theirs no data there just names and pics and messages | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again. No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it. Did you understand there is no panic, threats of legal action or widespread fear of 'outing'? It appears to me that a lot of people, whether on the list or not, are angry and/or upset about their personal data being released. Yes, fear that their personal data has been released leading to an outing. Plenty of posts saying "oh what if....etc". I'd have thought that was obvious? Otherwise are people just really concerned on here about the data protection act and hate to see it breached by any organisation? " Not 'sheer panic' is it? | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Do you want to go and read the other thread again. No that's fine. I've read it and understand. My questions are as a result of that thread, but separate from it. Did you understand there is no panic, threats of legal action or widespread fear of 'outing'? It appears to me that a lot of people, whether on the list or not, are angry and/or upset about their personal data being released. Yes, fear that their personal data has been released leading to an outing. Plenty of posts saying "oh what if....etc". I'd have thought that was obvious? Otherwise are people just really concerned on here about the data protection act and hate to see it breached by any organisation? you don't use personal email surely theirs no data there just names and pics and messages "Their real names, including last names were on the emails. With that information a person can, potentially, find them. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. " It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it... | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. " Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... " Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion." Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? " Livelihood, reputation, position... | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? " Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. " Swinging has been around for almost 50 years, I believe. I don't ever think it will be accepted by society. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion?" Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields." I was just reading of a man who lost his banking job because he didn't discipline two workers caught having sex on a work's night out, because he was having an affair with the woman. Sex is a no no in some industries. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields." See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. " To be fair, you brought it up and seemed to have not read why the other thread made people worried, I think that is why people are correcting you | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. " Yes, but not everyone who swings lives here or plans on staying here. And like I just said, people can find other reasons to not promote you, or hire you, or whatever regardless of the law. Reputation matters. Especially in some professions. When you aren't given a job or someone doesn't want to work with you it isn't always becaue of your job performance, even if they don't tell you the exact reason. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. " I shouldn't have to tell you what you said or didn't say. You didn't say I was 'picking nits' before! There is a big difference between 'alarmed' and 'panicked'. 'Sheer panic' takes it to another level... | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. I shouldn't have to tell you what you said or didn't say. You didn't say I was 'picking nits' before! There is a big difference between 'alarmed' and 'panicked'. 'Sheer panic' takes it to another level..." It’s a shame you can’t show the difference with emojis. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. To be fair, you brought it up and seemed to have not read why the other thread made people worried, I think that is why people are correcting you" They are not correcting me, they are being pedants over panic and alarm being synonyms. I referenced the thread in question to show my question's relevance. And I've commented on it a few times, so to say I haven't read it is just rubbish. I've been to the club in question, so potentially was involved. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes, but not everyone who swings lives here or plans on staying here. And like I just said, people can find other reasons to not promote you, or hire you, or whatever regardless of the law. Reputation matters. Especially in some professions. When you aren't given a job or someone doesn't want to work with you it isn't always becaue of your job performance, even if they don't tell you the exact reason." Ok, but I still think if you kept your sex life discreet and we're outed against your will most people would have sympathy with you rather than condemn you. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. " Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. I shouldn't have to tell you what you said or didn't say. You didn't say I was 'picking nits' before! There is a big difference between 'alarmed' and 'panicked'. 'Sheer panic' takes it to another level... It’s a shame you can’t show the difference with emojis. " I'm 52 years of age ffs! | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. I shouldn't have to tell you what you said or didn't say. You didn't say I was 'picking nits' before! There is a big difference between 'alarmed' and 'panicked'. 'Sheer panic' takes it to another level... It’s a shame you can’t show the difference with emojis. I'm 52 years of age ffs!" Age is emojiless. Go on give it a go  | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects." But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. " You are only focused on embarrassment, there are other factors beyond that. The OP referenced GCHQ. Individuals can be personally compromised to a much higher degree for their leisure pursuits. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. Maybe you shouldn't have prefaced your question with misleading information! Is 'swinging less of a closet dirty issue' a statement or your opinion? Not really, if you read the thread there are people alarmed (panicked) by it. You're just picking nits as I said. I think you'll find given the moral outrage generated in the media over the likes of Swingfields for example, then yes it's still perceived as dirty and immoral. I shouldn't have to tell you what you said or didn't say. You didn't say I was 'picking nits' before! There is a big difference between 'alarmed' and 'panicked'. 'Sheer panic' takes it to another level... It’s a shame you can’t show the difference with emojis. I'm 52 years of age ffs! Age is emojiless. Go on give it a go "All about opinions on a forum! | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes, but not everyone who swings lives here or plans on staying here. And like I just said, people can find other reasons to not promote you, or hire you, or whatever regardless of the law. Reputation matters. Especially in some professions. When you aren't given a job or someone doesn't want to work with you it isn't always becaue of your job performance, even if they don't tell you the exact reason. Ok, but I still think if you kept your sex life discreet and we're outed against your will most people would have sympathy with you rather than condemn you. " Not in my experience. Some jobs have explicit bans on people working there if they have such a history (like the teacher above - she simply wasn't allowed to work in a school with naked pictures of herself online, regardless of people having sympathy). I also know of other jobs (like photographers, lawyers, etc.) where people openly say they won't work with certain people because of their reputation. I know people, for example, who say how they wouldn't hire XYZ because that person is gay.... I guess I don't rest on the kindness of someone to feel sympathy for me if my details are released. I recognize that it could have real consequences for me (although, I do think I would be reasonably safe, I could imagine plenty of people who wouldn't be). It makes sense to me that people who try to be discreet would be unhappy about being "outed" when they tried to take all reasonable precautions. It can have real-life consequences beyond embarrassment. | |||
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"I have said it before and I will say it again, but I very much doubt if in this day and age anyone could be lawfully sacked because they attended swinging clubs, other than where adherence to conventional sexual morality is part and parcel of the job. - priests for example. Twenty years ago, you probably could lawfully have been sacked, but these days engaging in any type of lawful sexual behaviour would not be seen as bringing an employer into disrepute. " You can and that wouldn't be the reason given. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. You are only focused on embarrassment, there are other factors beyond that. The OP referenced GCHQ. Individuals can be personally compromised to a much higher degree for their leisure pursuits." That's why I said that in rare cases it would go beyond embarrassment. In most cases it won't. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. " That's your logic and you know you are baised. I agree with your logic but i know people who would disagree and cause some people in some professions to lose their job over it. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. You are only focused on embarrassment, there are other factors beyond that. The OP referenced GCHQ. Individuals can be personally compromised to a much higher degree for their leisure pursuits. That's why I said that in rare cases it would go beyond embarrassment. In most cases it won't. " No, you said that the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Employment law is a side issue but broadly agree with you. My point is more human consequence. Google cyber extortion and it's effects. But my point is that in very rare cases all an extortioner can do is threaten you with embarrassment. So why give in to them? Just go to the police. That's your logic and you know you are baised. I agree with your logic but i know people who would disagree and cause some people in some professions to lose their job over it. " If you're a rational extortioner you won't target your efforts on Mr and Ms average swinger with average jobs, because there's very little you can do to them. It's not worth the risk of them going to the police. You would go after the vicars and moralising politicians. | |||
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"I find everybody is jumping the gun a little bit here. Has anybody lost their job yet? Has anybody been outed yet? Where’s the evidence? Is this just panicking for the sake of it? Just typical blame culture. Everybody knows there’s always a risk in this lifestyle and banging on about it just creates more attention. Best to sit tight and keep your head down if worried. Just ensure your email address isn’t attached to any social media searches and deny everything, simple. If anyone wants to fight this in a legal battle, then you will be outed for sure, just be prepared. It’s a double edged sword. Ed" Yes people have lost their jobs over swinging. Do a forum search and you'll find many examples. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it..." people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another "sex | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. To be fair, you brought it up and seemed to have not read why the other thread made people worried, I think that is why people are correcting you They are not correcting me, they are being pedants over panic and alarm being synonyms. " The first post was pointing out that people were concerned about their names being given out rather than just their E-mails shared, which is not being pedantic, just adding some facts. The club seems to have given out personal names as well as E-mails so having a different E-mail to anything else you use wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference in this case. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another "I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^). The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that? As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue." | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue."for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms | |||
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"I find everybody is jumping the gun a little bit here. Has anybody lost their job yet? Has anybody been outed yet? Where’s the evidence? Is this just panicking for the sake of it? Just typical blame culture. Everybody knows there’s always a risk in this lifestyle and banging on about it just creates more attention. Best to sit tight and keep your head down if worried. Just ensure your email address isn’t attached to any social media searches and deny everything, simple. If anyone wants to fight this in a legal battle, then you will be outed for sure, just be prepared. It’s a double edged sword. Ed Yes people have lost their jobs over swinging. Do a forum search and you'll find many examples. " Apologies, I was referring to the recent email leak from a named club. I’m sure people have lost their jobs in the past though. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms "You're hardly blinkered if you want/need to be discreet! | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms "Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread....  | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
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"Also many people in respected positions in life consultants ,doctors ,nurses ,detectives magistrates etc swing ,I was talking in summer last year to two doctors husband and wife on the nudist beach she had come there specifically to watch men wank and come in public for her "Being naturists is accepted because it's about being naked, not having sex. It's the sexual activity that gets people riled up. | |||
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"I would have to take it on the chin if outed If I worked in a job that could get me the sack if caught swinging then I would consider stopping it, or changing jobs I am a they make the rules I abide by them type of person, boring I know but I probably wouldn't be marching down Whitehall with a board saying let me swing and you accept it but that could also be because I accept that others don't have to agree that swinging is acceptable Some people do have seperate E-mails and phones etc, but like what seems to have happened this week, data seems to have been breached and real names have been seen by many so seperate E-mails wouldn't have mattered anyway" Not really that easy. The more professional experience you have then the more you get boxed into certain industries unless you are something like an accountant and you can move freely. If swinging was unacceptable to one company then it's probably unacceptable to most companies in that industry. So how much do you like taking a massive paycut? | |||
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"I would have to take it on the chin if outed If I worked in a job that could get me the sack if caught swinging then I would consider stopping it, or changing jobs I am a they make the rules I abide by them type of person, boring I know but I probably wouldn't be marching down Whitehall with a board saying let me swing and you accept it but that could also be because I accept that others don't have to agree that swinging is acceptable Some people do have seperate E-mails and phones etc, but like what seems to have happened this week, data seems to have been breached and real names have been seen by many so seperate E-mails wouldn't have mattered anyway Not really that easy. The more professional experience you have then the more you get boxed into certain industries unless you are something like an accountant and you can move freely. If swinging was unacceptable to one company then it's probably unacceptable to most companies in that industry. So how much do you like taking a massive paycut? " If the nature of your work is incompatible with swinging, you need to decide what matters most to you don't you? Your income or your swinging. | |||
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"I would have to take it on the chin if outed If I worked in a job that could get me the sack if caught swinging then I would consider stopping it, or changing jobs I am a they make the rules I abide by them type of person, boring I know but I probably wouldn't be marching down Whitehall with a board saying let me swing and you accept it but that could also be because I accept that others don't have to agree that swinging is acceptable Some people do have seperate E-mails and phones etc, but like what seems to have happened this week, data seems to have been breached and real names have been seen by many so seperate E-mails wouldn't have mattered anyway Not really that easy. The more professional experience you have then the more you get boxed into certain industries unless you are something like an accountant and you can move freely. If swinging was unacceptable to one company then it's probably unacceptable to most companies in that industry. So how much do you like taking a massive paycut? If the nature of your work is incompatible with swinging, you need to decide what matters most to you don't you? Your income or your swinging. " Well firstly i wasn't a swinger when i started that career and secondly, it was never immediately obvious there would be a conflict (i.e. i am not a priest). However i would never have started in that industry if i could do it again, I'm not built for monogamy and think cheating is nasty. | |||
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"See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. " Hmmm tell that to the Oxfam staff who hired prostitutes for consensual sex. Strange things happen in this country when sexual activity outside (or even inside) legal marriage. That aside, swinging is enhanced by being an exclusive insiders secret? | |||
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"See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Hmmm tell that to the Oxfam staff who hired prostitutes for consensual sex. Strange things happen in this country when sexual activity outside (or even inside) legal marriage. That aside, swinging is enhanced by being an exclusive insiders secret? " It's a fair point about prostitution. I think if it came out to an employer you regularly used sex workers, that could well be a sacking offence in many jobs | |||
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"I would have to take it on the chin if outed If I worked in a job that could get me the sack if caught swinging then I would consider stopping it, or changing jobs I am a they make the rules I abide by them type of person, boring I know but I probably wouldn't be marching down Whitehall with a board saying let me swing and you accept it but that could also be because I accept that others don't have to agree that swinging is acceptable Some people do have seperate E-mails and phones etc, but like what seems to have happened this week, data seems to have been breached and real names have been seen by many so seperate E-mails wouldn't have mattered anyway Not really that easy. The more professional experience you have then the more you get boxed into certain industries unless you are something like an accountant and you can move freely. If swinging was unacceptable to one company then it's probably unacceptable to most companies in that industry. So how much do you like taking a massive paycut? If the nature of your work is incompatible with swinging, you need to decide what matters most to you don't you? Your income or your swinging. Well firstly i wasn't a swinger when i started that career and secondly, it was never immediately obvious there would be a conflict (i.e. i am not a priest). However i would never have started in that industry if i could do it again, I'm not built for monogamy and think cheating is nasty. " | |||
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" Not really that easy. The more professional experience you have then the more you get boxed into certain industries unless you are something like an accountant and you can move freely. If swinging was unacceptable to one company then it's probably unacceptable to most companies in that industry. So how much do you like taking a massive paycut? " You don't have to work in the same industry when changing jobs | |||
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"I share my sexy secrets with a few people who I trust. i like the fact that I have control who that is. The data breach referred to takes away that control. That simple." | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... " Exactly this
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"I've also wondered what percentage of outsider people (don't know what the term is for people who don't swing!) Would outwardly condemn an outed swinger with faux moral outrage, while inwardly wishing they could do it too? " Vanillas? ....and most of them. | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
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"I've also wondered what percentage of outsider people (don't know what the term is for people who don't swing!) Would outwardly condemn an outed swinger with faux moral outrage, while inwardly wishing they could do it too? " Probably pretty high I would guess. But to answer your OP When I started swinging I was in a career which would have been destroyed along with my reputation if I had been outed, I was aware of this fact and took what I saw as reasonable precautions. My email on here is only used for this, my phone number was a cheap PAYG, my location isn't accurate, never accom, face pics are innocent and could be from FB and any rude pics are faceless and could be anyone. I think I have plausible deniability, but I have never been one to confirm or deny rumours, even if I did people would believe what they want to anyway. There are 3 clubs which hold my ID details, I would be pissed off if they leaked them, innocently or not, but I wouldn't panic over it as those details are already in the public domain (census records have my name n address) so again, plausible deniability. And I refuse to live my life on the basis of 'what if....'. | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is? "Are you familiar with the term,'an open marriage'? | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is?
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is?
Are you familiar with the term,'an open marriage'?
If you’re keeping secrets from the other half, what’s the point in marrying them?"Whole different subject, just addressing your use of 'cheating'. | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is?
Are you familiar with the term,'an open marriage'?
If you’re keeping secrets from the other half, what’s the point in marrying them?"And not wanting to know about something doesn't make it a secret. | |||
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"I've also wondered what percentage of outsider people (don't know what the term is for people who don't swing!) Would outwardly condemn an outed swinger with faux moral outrage, while inwardly wishing they could do it too? Probably pretty high I would guess. But to answer your OP When I started swinging I was in a career which would have been destroyed along with my reputation if I had been outed, I was aware of this fact and took what I saw as reasonable precautions. My email on here is only used for this, my phone number was a cheap PAYG, my location isn't accurate, never accom, face pics are innocent and could be from FB and any rude pics are faceless and could be anyone. I think I have plausible deniability, but I have never been one to confirm or deny rumours, even if I did people would believe what they want to anyway. There are 3 clubs which hold my ID details, I would be pissed off if they leaked them, innocently or not, but I wouldn't panic over it as those details are already in the public domain (census records have my name n address) so again, plausible deniability. And I refuse to live my life on the basis of 'what if....'." I like this reply, it shows a pragmatic view of keeping the whole thing secret. I'm interested in the whole perception of what we do, and how as I said earlier it's still seen as dirty and abhorrent to many. And particularly what you mention about having your career/reputation destroyed. Do you think that would be worse because you are a woman? For example I know that if I had been outed in the job I used to do, then it would have been "Wahey, go on son!", Such was the overriding machismo of the field. | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is?
Are you familiar with the term,'an open marriage'?
If you’re keeping secrets from the other half, what’s the point in marrying them?
And not wanting to know about something doesn't make it a secret."Not wanting to know what the other half gets up to sounds like a good reason to get married?! If both parties are leading separate lives and not interested/bothered with what the other half is up to, then what’s the point in marriage? It makes no logical sense to me. Just stay single. | |||
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"To be fair I'd be pissed off with any company breaching the DPA with my details such as liberty elite are alleged to have done. If makes no difference if its swinging related or not. That's not what I asked. " May not be what you asked but luckily for the poster this is a forum for discussion so threads can and does go off in tangents. No need to moderate responses chuck
And like the poster I’d be pissed off swiging or otherwise. It’s happened to me twice, luckily not swinging like libs though. I’m glad I’ve actually never made it there now. | |||
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"My policy is that my sex life is a private thing and it would not be appropriate to talk about it at work. If someone outed me, I would be pretty confident the fall out wouldn't go much beyond embarrassment. I think what most worries many swingers is the fact that they have partners who don't know they swing... Exactly this
It’s probably more to do with the cheating aspect. In which case, they get no sympathy from me
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Bit of a diversion but just because partners might not know they swing doesn't automatically mean they are cheating.
Playing without partners consent or knowledge isn’t cheating? So what is?
Are you familiar with the term,'an open marriage'?
If you’re keeping secrets from the other half, what’s the point in marrying them?
And not wanting to know about something doesn't make it a secret.
Not wanting to know what the other half gets up to sounds like a good reason to get married?! If both parties are leading separate lives and not interested/bothered with what the other half is up to, then what’s the point in marriage? It makes no logical sense to me. Just stay single."I would imagine that the majority of 'open marriages' are established after some time married and very few are established at the start of married life. Logical reasons for staying married/together would be children, finance or mortgage. | |||
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"I've also wondered what percentage of outsider people (don't know what the term is for people who don't swing!) Would outwardly condemn an outed swinger with faux moral outrage, while inwardly wishing they could do it too? Probably pretty high I would guess. But to answer your OP When I started swinging I was in a career which would have been destroyed along with my reputation if I had been outed, I was aware of this fact and took what I saw as reasonable precautions. My email on here is only used for this, my phone number was a cheap PAYG, my location isn't accurate, never accom, face pics are innocent and could be from FB and any rude pics are faceless and could be anyone. I think I have plausible deniability, but I have never been one to confirm or deny rumours, even if I did people would believe what they want to anyway. There are 3 clubs which hold my ID details, I would be pissed off if they leaked them, innocently or not, but I wouldn't panic over it as those details are already in the public domain (census records have my name n address) so again, plausible deniability. And I refuse to live my life on the basis of 'what if....'. I like this reply, it shows a pragmatic view of keeping the whole thing secret. I'm interested in the whole perception of what we do, and how as I said earlier it's still seen as dirty and abhorrent to many. And particularly what you mention about having your career/reputation destroyed. Do you think that would be worse because you are a woman? For example I know that if I had been outed in the job I used to do, then it would have been "Wahey, go on son!", Such was the overriding machismo of the field. " I believe that as a married woman (have a couples profile too) living in a small town it would be worse than if I were single. Society has calmed down to a degree, about single women playing the field. Yes she would be a slut and a target for guys to try their luck and 'decent' women gossiping behind her back, but a respectable married woman having casual sex with strangers? 
Probably wouldn't be that great for my husband either come to think of it, he may get the 'lucky bugger, his Mrs let's him fuck other women'. But he would also get the 'what is wrong with him that he can't satisfy his wife. Is his cock too small or floppy? (No and no)
Even on here many, usually single guys, don't get the whole couples swinging thing. The guy is a small dicked cuckold loser and the woman is a dirty slut who is bored with her old man and will fuck anything with a cock and a pulse. | |||
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"On the wider point about the social acceptability of swinging and non monogamy generally. It's now perfectly acceptable for a politician to be Gay or bi and a number of mps are. However I am not aware of any mp who is openly non monogamous, though statistically some must be. Is non monogamy the last sexual taboo? " Wasn't one outed as a swinger a few years ago? Or he was spotted at a club anyway. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... "sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers | |||
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"Why should people have to fight? Why shouldn't people trust the clubs or sites they are on? I doubt anyone would turn up to a Swinging Pride march." Why not? Where would the gay movement be if people had thought like that? It's not that long ago that people would have lost their jobs or been persecuted for being gay if outed. Just saying. In 30 years it might not be an issue. Worth a thought. | |||
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" For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you?" I had one of these - I declared it on my DV paperwork and all was fine. Not my favourite part of the interview, granted! | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers "I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do. It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... | |||
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"Why should people have to fight? Why shouldn't people trust the clubs or sites they are on? I doubt anyone would turn up to a Swinging Pride march. Why not? Where would the gay movement be if people had thought like that? It's not that long ago that people would have lost their jobs or been persecuted for being gay if outed. Just saying. In 30 years it might not be an issue. Worth a thought. " Most swingers have enough trouble oeganising gangbangs, let alone a march where they face public ridicule and the prospect of losing their job. | |||
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"On the wider point about the social acceptability of swinging and non monogamy generally. It's now perfectly acceptable for a politician to be Gay or bi and a number of mps are. However I am not aware of any mp who is openly non monogamous, though statistically some must be. Is non monogamy the last sexual taboo? Wasn't one outed as a swinger a few years ago? Or he was spotted at a club anyway. " Tommy Sheridan. Member of the Scottish Parliament. He would have been fine had he not sued and lied in court about it. He ended up doing time for perjury. | |||
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"I had one of these - I declared it on my DV paperwork and all was fine. Not my favourite part of the interview, granted!" We did not swing when I was vetted as part of my job and would never have dreamed of doing so. The 3 or 4 hour interviews were bad enough as they were without having the humourless interview asking me question about swinging. | |||
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"Why should people have to fight? Why shouldn't people trust the clubs or sites they are on? I doubt anyone would turn up to a Swinging Pride march. Why not? Where would the gay movement be if people had thought like that? It's not that long ago that people would have lost their jobs or been persecuted for being gay if outed. Just saying. In 30 years it might not be an issue. Worth a thought. Most swingers have enough trouble oeganising gangbangs, let alone a march where they face public ridicule and the prospect of losing their job. " We have kink pride marches. Bdsm is probably more looked down on than swinging. You would have to choose your venue, but in fact places like London or Manchester no one would give a flying fuck about a swingers pride March. | |||
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"Why should people have to fight? Why shouldn't people trust the clubs or sites they are on? I doubt anyone would turn up to a Swinging Pride march. Why not? Where would the gay movement be if people had thought like that? It's not that long ago that people would have lost their jobs or been persecuted for being gay if outed. Just saying. In 30 years it might not be an issue. Worth a thought. Most swingers have enough trouble oeganising gangbangs, let alone a march where they face public ridicule and the prospect of losing their job. " Always the same, you try and organise a swinger pride march, 100 people confirm and all bar one have car trouble or unexpected hospitalisations. | |||
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"I had one of these - I declared it on my DV paperwork and all was fine. Not my favourite part of the interview, granted! We did not swing when I was vetted as part of my job and would never have dreamed of doing so. The 3 or 4 hour interviews were bad enough as they were without having the humourless interview asking me question about swinging." The guy didn't bat an eyelid. I'm sure he'd heard much worse! | |||
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"Why should people have to fight? Why shouldn't people trust the clubs or sites they are on? I doubt anyone would turn up to a Swinging Pride march. Why not? Where would the gay movement be if people had thought like that? It's not that long ago that people would have lost their jobs or been persecuted for being gay if outed. Just saying. In 30 years it might not be an issue. Worth a thought. Most swingers have enough trouble oeganising gangbangs, let alone a march where they face public ridicule and the prospect of losing their job. Always the same, you try and organise a swinger pride march, 100 people confirm and all bar one have car trouble or unexpected hospitalisations. " | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... "people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ? | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? " like you said swing emails is the way forward and are people really panicking,not much they can do now its done ,if they create further publicity as a result surely that's bringing further unwanted attention to them | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. " Yes you can if your job has a morality clause and you sign it. You can be dismissed for breach of contract. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms "YOU are happy discussing your private life with all and sundry: I'm not! I don't divulge my bank balance, how many times a day I have a dump: some things are personal and private, for me that also includes my sex life...hardly makes me blinkered. | |||
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"I would have to take it on the chin if outed If I worked in a job that could get me the sack if caught swinging then I would consider stopping it, or changing jobs I am a they make the rules I abide by them type of person, boring I know but I probably wouldn't be marching down Whitehall with a board saying let me swing and you accept it but that could also be because I accept that others don't have to agree that swinging is acceptable Some people do have seperate E-mails and phones etc, but like what seems to have happened this week, data seems to have been breached and real names have been seen by many so seperate E-mails wouldn't have mattered anyway" | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? " I’d focus on the mocking status of people’s appearance you made to be honest | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
YOU are happy discussing your private life with all and sundry: I'm not! I don't divulge my bank balance, how many times a day I have a dump: some things are personal and private, for me that also includes my sex life...hardly makes me blinkered. "like I said discrete is as discrete does thought in every process of what you do here and in this lifestyle,you can't judge others on your own inadequacies ,I understand people being reluctant to share info regarding what they do in this life and some more than others but the whole thing is life people make mistakes oh and I never talk about having a dump ewwwwwe | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes you can if your job has a morality clause and you sign it. You can be dismissed for breach of contract. " It depends what the clause says. As I say, I am struggling to think of any job, except things like priests, that would have a clause in the contract governing how you conduct your sex life. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes you can if your job has a morality clause and you sign it. You can be dismissed for breach of contract. It depends what the clause says. As I say, I am struggling to think of any job, except things like priests, that would have a clause in the contract governing how you conduct your sex life. " Priests don’t get sacked even when they abuse children. They just get moved to the Vatican. | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes you can if your job has a morality clause and you sign it. You can be dismissed for breach of contract. It depends what the clause says. As I say, I am struggling to think of any job, except things like priests, that would have a clause in the contract governing how you conduct your sex life. " Would it not fall into 'bringing the company into disrepute' or something like that. I doubt any contract would be as specific as to mention sexual activity. Some jobs (police, security services, prison service etc) can be at risk from corruption. Situations like that which has occurred at liberty elite can open people up to being corrupted by criminal gangs if they worked in these sectors. | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? I’d focus on the mocking status of people’s appearance you made to be honest" I'm sorry if I upset any of the beautiful people.  | |||
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"I'm sure many of you will have seen the sheer panic and threats of legal against a club over in the other forum about a perceived outing due to a data breach. Given that this was most likely down to a mistake rather than anything malicious, how prepared should you be as a swinger for being outed? Either intentionally or unintentionally. For example, if you work in a job that requires security vetting of some sort, police, prison service, GCHQ, then being outed would probably cost you your job. Shouldn't you be considering that, and asking yourself which is more important to you? Obviously what we do isn't illegal, and it's mainly the stigma that does the damage. So shouldn't you perhaps be prepared to fight against that instead? Isn't that the only way things change? And why, if things like jobs and the opinions of people you don't know matter to you the most, do people in this game not have swing emails, swing phones, false number plates on cars, swing second homes etc? I’d focus on the mocking status of people’s appearance you made to be honest I'm sorry if I upset any of the beautiful people. "they'll survive they'll go look in the mirror or post another pic | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ? "At this point I really can't tell if you're being purposely obtuse about the emails....people's full names were given out. The emails are the least important part. If you go to a club (most clubs) they take your ID and your name in their system is your name on the ID. Do you get that part of this? | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ?
At this point I really can't tell if you're being purposely obtuse about the emails....people's full names were given out. The emails are the least important part. If you go to a club (most clubs) they take your ID and your name in their system is your name on the ID. Do you get that part of this? "no I'm thick and I'm English enough said | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ?
At this point I really can't tell if you're being purposely obtuse about the emails....people's full names were given out. The emails are the least important part. If you go to a club (most clubs) they take your ID and your name in their system is your name on the ID. Do you get that part of this? "bottom line is its happened and nothing can be done to rectify it can it ? | |||
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"Bottom line is that if you outed in whatever way, and assuming you are not a vicar or cheating, the worse that will happen to you is that you will be embarrassed. Obviously not good, but worse things happen at sea as they say... Blackmale(sic) or extortion would be worse than embarrassment in my opinion. Why would you give in to black mail when the worst a black mailer can do is cause you embarrassment? Why do you think that's the most that can happen to you? Putting the issue of possibly losing your job aside (which is possible - one woman in the U.S. lost her job as a teacher when they found she had previously had naked pictures of herself on the internet), it would certainly influence people's opinions of a person, whether they are being considered for promotion, a change of careers, or anything else. Different reasons might be given, but reputation can count for a lot in some career fields. See my previous post. In this country, absent jobs like priests and so on, I don't think you could be lawfully sacked for consensual lawful sexual activities. Yes you can if your job has a morality clause and you sign it. You can be dismissed for breach of contract. It depends what the clause says. As I say, I am struggling to think of any job, except things like priests, that would have a clause in the contract governing how you conduct your sex life. Would it not fall into 'bringing the company into disrepute' or something like that. I doubt any contract would be as specific as to mention sexual activity. Some jobs (police, security services, prison service etc) can be at risk from corruption. Situations like that which has occurred at liberty elite can open people up to being corrupted by criminal gangs if they worked in these sectors. " Very unlikely I think. In this day and age being non monogamous is unlikely per se to bring a company into disrepute in most fields. As for the risk of black mail/corruption again I don't think swinging as such would open you up to that, though it might do if there was some other reason why you wanted to keep it secret. For example, you are cheating or are a pillar of your local church etc. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ?
At this point I really can't tell if you're being purposely obtuse about the emails....people's full names were given out. The emails are the least important part. If you go to a club (most clubs) they take your ID and your name in their system is your name on the ID. Do you get that part of this? bottom line is its happened and nothing can be done to rectify it can it ? "Just because it happened doesn't make it right, though. We can still make a normative judgement here. And as I said, in the wider picture, ignoring the possible repercussions of being "outed" (in any sense, not necessarily the Liberty Elite situation) is unfair to people who could be very negatively impacted by it and ignores real bias that exists. That's what I've been saying. | |||
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"What I intended to be a discussion about perhaps making swinging less of a closet dirty issue, is turning into another thread about libs. It would be nice if it wasn't something that has to be secret, but it is nevertheless. Plus, as I mention in my post, I don't really discuss my sex life with friends and family - so even if it was less secret and "dirty" I'm still not sure I'd want people knowing I do it...people don't care about your se life and as you said you wouldn't discuss it with anyone else but us ,let's not get paranoid about this ,if you've been stupid enough to use a personal email address ok not good but then that's down to your own naivety,just delete that email and create another
I haven't gotten an email at all....I wasn't affected by the Liberty Elite thing. The OP claims this thread wasn't meant to be about that....that it was a tangentially related issue. I answered accordingly (my initial comment was about Libs, but that was before the OP's response, which you quoted above^^).
The question is about swinging being less secret and dirty. Did you get that?
As for the Liberty Elite thing, the email address is hardly the problem - first and last names were also sent out to everyone. It doesn't matter if you used a fake or real email address. So "stupidity" of using a personal email is hardly the point with that issue.for me swinging is just a category of life it is normal life ,we are just a club that celebrate it publicly ,no closet for me I talk about what I do with people I know ,I understand a need for being discrete where your children and certain blinkered adults are concerned but this is real life and real people ,I was in a bar yesterday and the group next to me were openly discussing online sexual liasoms
Yes, and that goes back to what I said above - I personally don't talk about that stuff with people, even most of my friends. It's something I like to keep private. And I think people who want to be open should be able to be and those who don't want to be open should have that privacy respected. We don't know any individual's reasons for keeping any aspect of their lives private. And so, we come full circle back to the point of the thread.... sorry I still think you're being a little naïve,many including you put your face pics up these pics are being screen saved everyday ,you just don't know who knows you're here ,so many people come and go in our lives and in some cases they're not happy with their meetings anything can happen ,some people are just not good losers
I frankly think you're the one being naive if you think everyone should have the same outlook on this as you do.
It's fine if you want to say people should expect the risk that goes into this activity. But to say that people shouldn't also be able to expect a reasonable amount of privacy is unfair, especially when that privacy is assured by the businesses they deal with... people want accountability for everything these days ,you've entered into a lifestyle that requires you to meet people ,many people that's your privacy gone ,emails and email addresses are irrelevant in terms of discretion unless of course you have been thoughtless enough to use a personal one ,like I said if you want discretion you need to put thought into every aspect of what you do here ,people don't use real names in general so names wouldn't be the problem would they ?
At this point I really can't tell if you're being purposely obtuse about the emails....people's full names were given out. The emails are the least important part. If you go to a club (most clubs) they take your ID and your name in their system is your name on the ID. Do you get that part of this? bottom line is its happened and nothing can be done to rectify it can it ?
Just because it happened doesn't make it right, though. We can still make a normative judgement here. And as I said, in the wider picture, ignoring the possible repercussions of being "outed" (in any sense, not necessarily the Liberty Elite situation) is unfair to people who could be very negatively impacted by it and ignores real bias that exists. That's what I've been saying. "real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered? | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered? "Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444 
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. "surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice "No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind. | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind."I like to debate is all ,we all have a valid opinion one hopes | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind."so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that "But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair. And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that "If individuals think their has been a data breach they make a report to the ICO. They investigate and act accordingly. It's not something that is played out in a 'public arena' and hardly likely to be considering the role of the ICO. | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... "I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes | |||
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I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes "Disagree The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. "that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it "So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise  | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise "hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on "If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. "its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention "Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed. | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
"I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin "If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
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The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. "sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to "I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin. Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. | |||
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Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. "exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee "Yes . And I would be very surprised anyone filling details out re: personal data would not think for a minute they would end up in public domain. So don't split hairs regarding rules. We all know personal data top of list of rules. Not the wearing of flips flops in shower area for example. | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee Yes . And I would be very surprised anyone filling details out re: personal data would not think for a minute they would end up in public domain. So don't split hairs regarding rules. We all know personal data top of list of rules. Not the wearing of flips flops in shower area for example. "hey when I've been to clubs they asked for ID but just as proof of age ,the forms I filled in were down to me | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee Yes . And I would be very surprised anyone filling details out re: personal data would not think for a minute they would end up in public domain. So don't split hairs regarding rules. We all know personal data top of list of rules. Not the wearing of flips flops in shower area for example. hey when I've been to clubs they asked for ID but just as proof of age ,the forms I filled in were down to me "Stop digressing the club in question has put out personal info out there. In 1989 I seen a car jump a red light. Here n now if you will | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee Yes . And I would be very surprised anyone filling details out re: personal data would not think for a minute they would end up in public domain. So don't split hairs regarding rules. We all know personal data top of list of rules. Not the wearing of flips flops in shower area for example. hey when I've been to clubs they asked for ID but just as proof of age ,the forms I filled in were down to me Stop digressing the club in question has put out personal info out there. In 1989 I seen a car jump a red light. Here n now if you will"hey we'll have to agree to disagree its too late its done but ok we're British let's moan about it | |||
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" real bias that exists ? Which bias have you encountered?
Not everything I say is personal to myself, tradem...I mean kneezplz444
I've met people who've had pictures shown around at work, comments made about the guy's wife, problems getting promotions afterwards. It happens. surely it has to be from personal experience otherwise etiquette would prevent you from giving advice
No. As I just said (you like making people repeat themselves). I've seen it happen a couple of times. I see no reason why etiquette stops me from saying that - you have no idea who I'm talking about. But if it makes you feel better you can believe its personal. I don't mind.so many people here who are experts on life and yet so young ,must be nice to hear the views of the older members amongst us ,if you're in this life you have to think about every aspect from pics to meets to emails its only you that controls your discretion,where the emails were concerned it was an error but what are the people going to do take them to a public arena to punish them for their wrong doing ,I cant see many if any doing that
But that's the point - it wasn't only those people who controlled their discretion. They went to the club, yes, and assumed the risk. But the club acted wrongfully with private information. Whether people take the club to a "public arena" or not, I don't know. But denying that people should be upset by what happened or that there can be consequences for them is unfair.
And I honestly don't get what age has to do with being an "expert on life". I've met as many older people as younger people who I wouldn't go to for advice on life. Not really sure what that has to do with anything... I made no mention of people being upset about it ,I'm just saying the people concerned should know the risks ok the club cocked up but human error is inevitable at some point don't you think and as I said earlier as soon as you walk through the doors of these clubs you become public ,the press ,the police anyone can be watching but its just consensual sex does anybody care ,I think not ,the bigger deal that's made of it the bigger deal it becomes
Disagree
The club in question is a business. As such it has a legal obligation under the data protection Act to keep personal details confidential. It doesn’t matter how the error occurred, the club is in breach of the data protection Act and could be subject to legal action because of this. that's true but that brings further publicity to people who it would seem don't want it So, are people to bury their heads in sand, if world had your Outlook. There would be no progress. Grow a pair n stand up for what's right ( lawful even) One would say you just like to antagonise hey when I have an accident it hurts initially but then I wake up its happened get car repaired or repair it myself move on If 300 n odd had similar accident at same time there would be an inquest as something dramatically wrong... in agreement regards moving on. Some times things have to be looked at in depth in order for progress. its happened,it can't be reversed is all I'm saying ,looking into it just brings more UNwanted attention Looking into will help people to learn lessons of what's gone wrong. And a heads up regards safe guarding measures put in place to make sure they arn't let down again. Head in sand mentality works for you. Your name/ personal email not on the list I take it.??? Move on when all avenues been addressed.
I'm sure the club has dealt with whoever made the error but drawing attention to it when they already know about it helps how? oh and if my name were on that list it wouldn't affect me and if you are at risk because of a responsible job or are not comfortable with others knowing you swing maybe you shouldn't be doing it be comfortable in your own skin If people want discretion is that not their right. Swingers may have 101 reasons not to shout it from roof tops. They entered into the club's rules and therfore covered by data protection for various reasons on both sides that has been breached. So the laws of this land . Your Outlook is to forget about it n move on. Processes have to be followed. And said people intitled lawfully to not move on without processes followed. sure I go to a club because I've read the rules bet you do to I'm not a club goer. I'm looking into it. But wouldn't want the headache of wondering if environment was entering into did do what said on tin.
Of course there's a spectrum from the people who totally don't mind who know they are engaged in life style n those who want total discretion. I'm not one to bury head in sand . Especially in here you don't know what or who gonna creep up behind you. exactly but the reality is most that go to clubs go because they want to have sex not because they've read rules ,as soon as they go in people are there from all walks of life .....the public.....you don't know who's there what they do or what they are capable of ,people generally don't look into rules until its too late unless you're a contracts manager or a referee Yes . And I would be very surprised anyone filling details out re: personal data would not think for a minute they would end up in public domain. So don't split hairs regarding rules. We all know personal data top of list of rules. Not the wearing of flips flops in shower area for example. hey when I've been to clubs they asked for ID but just as proof of age ,the forms I filled in were down to me Stop digressing the club in question has put out personal info out there. In 1989 I seen a car jump a red light. Here n now if you willhey we'll have to agree to disagree its too late its done but ok we're British let's moan about it "Yes. Fair do. | |||
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"The fact is a business broke data protection Laws. If anyone affected by this were to take legal action the fact that it is a data protection case means that all individuals involved will be covered by the right of confidentiality and anonymity. Nobody will be “outed” by the court or press over this. There is more likelihood that this could happen at the business with such lackadaisical attitude to its members privacy. As for the broken down car analogy, if you bought a car under warranty and it broke down would you so “oh well, I will fix it myself and hopefully it won’t break again” " humans are involved everything breaks down again | |||
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"The fact is a business broke data protection Laws. If anyone affected by this were to take legal action the fact that it is a data protection case means that all individuals involved will be covered by the right of confidentiality and anonymity. Nobody will be “outed” by the court or press over this. There is more likelihood that this could happen at the business with such lackadaisical attitude to its members privacy. As for the broken down car analogy, if you bought a car under warranty and it broke down would you so “oh well, I will fix it myself and hopefully it won’t break again” humans are involved everything breaks down again "Not if the correct procedures are in place. That’s what the Data Protection Act is for | |||
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