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"Not me... Crap films... Seen better acted sensuality and sex in my Granny's front room " | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " School | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " I've read the books and seen the first two films thought the books were marginally better | |||
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"Anyone rushing out to see it over the weekend? Thinking of Saturday night but don't want to look like the only perv bloke in the cinema lol" prefer to watch bham city play | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " i read the first book and thought it was poorly written, so wouldn’t even entertain the movies. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " I tend to agree with this. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " I can't read so watched the films.... in one night..... i was bored. But have to see part 3 now. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I can't read so watched the films.... in one night..... i was bored. But have to see part 3 now." I read them on my kindle | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I can't read so watched the films.... in one night..... i was bored. But have to see part 3 now. I read them on my kindle " And why on earth not! I am just thinking that there are some adults who do/ did enjoy the books and films but it is probably considered more fashionable to say otherwise? Either way, horses for courses and each to their own! - | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I can't read so watched the films.... in one night..... i was bored. But have to see part 3 now. I read them on my kindle And why on earth not! I am just thinking that there are some adults who do/ did enjoy the books and films but it is probably considered more fashionable to say otherwise? Either way, horses for courses and each to their own! -" I got the new one called Grey to read yet | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I can't read so watched the films.... in one night..... i was bored. But have to see part 3 now. I read them on my kindle And why on earth not! I am just thinking that there are some adults who do/ did enjoy the books and films but it is probably considered more fashionable to say otherwise? Either way, horses for courses and each to their own! - I got the new one called Grey to read yet " Enjoy | |||
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"Not me... Crap films... Seen better acted sensuality and sex in my Granny's front room " My mind is now boggling Mr Boson | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " I’m here Love it, yes books were badly written but I still enjoyed them, loved the films and will see the next one probably by myself I really don’t care!! It’s a welcome escape from reality Ms B | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I’m here Love it, yes books were badly written but I still enjoyed them, loved the films and will see the next one probably by myself I really don’t care!! It’s a welcome escape from reality Ms B " A few years ago people were bitching on here about how shit the books were. It seemed like most of them were just jumping on the bandwagon and slagging it off so they'd look cool- like on this thread. So I read the books so I could decide for myself. I think the books/ films are brilliant. They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is. I'm going tomorrow night and I can't wait!! | |||
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" i read the first book and thought it was poorly written, so wouldn’t even entertain the movies." Same here... It was painful. I'm quite an avid reader and hate to be defeated, so had to finish it. I wanted to stra*gle her "inner goddess" by the end of it Nita | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I’m here Love it, yes books were badly written but I still enjoyed them, loved the films and will see the next one probably by myself I really don’t care!! It’s a welcome escape from reality Ms B A few years ago people were bitching on here about how shit the books were. It seemed like most of them were just jumping on the bandwagon and slagging it off so they'd look cool- like on this thread. So I read the books so I could decide for myself. I think the books/ films are brilliant. They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is. I'm going tomorrow night and I can't wait!! " Yes it’s a consensual relationship and I find it quite comical in parts, it’s a love story but then I am a bit of an old romantic Ms B | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " They have to get audiences for Jeremy Kyle from somewhere... | |||
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"I will go . I enjoy a romantic love story . Books were romantic with a bit of a spice . Nice light read and helped many people become curious and sexually adventurous . " Nothing like a bit of emotional and sexual abuse to add "spice", eh? | |||
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"I just wish I'd written the books Write a new one. " Let's face it, it wouldn't take much doing. Just write about some non-consensual bdsm/sex set to a background of the toys of the stupidly wealthy. | |||
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"I just wish I'd written the books Write a new one. Let's face it, it wouldn't take much doing. Just write about some non-consensual bdsm/sex set to a background of the toys of the stupidly wealthy." Have you read the books? It is consensual. The books aren't literary masterpieces, I agree. Hence why I said have a go. I like that she's made a fucking fortune from it all. Good for her. | |||
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"I havent seen the first one yet! I read the first book after some of the mums in the playground were raving about it. She annoyed me saying 'Oh my' all the time but it was quite a nice love story I guess." The many shades of red she was “blushing” irritated me! Still a sucker for it though. | |||
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"I just wish I'd written the books Write a new one. Let's face it, it wouldn't take much doing. Just write about some non-consensual bdsm/sex set to a background of the toys of the stupidly wealthy. I started the first one twice...gave up with boredom. So nope..nope..nope. Have you read the books? It is consensual. The books aren't literary masterpieces, I agree. Hence why I said have a go. I like that she's made a fucking fortune from it all. Good for her. " | |||
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"Anyone rushing out to see it over the weekend? Thinking of Saturday night but don't want to look like the only perv bloke in the cinema lol" It’s hardly perv material. Went to first one with an fb from here. It was so tame we nearly got thrown out for basically doing a goggle box on it..... She eventually persuaded me to take her to the second one..... basically a dull chic flic.....we both fell asleep half way through! It will take a lot of “persuading” to see the third one....though I don’t think she wants too either! | |||
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"The film's were crap Missed out loads " Surely given the books...that’s a bonus? | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I’m here Love it, yes books were badly written but I still enjoyed them, loved the films and will see the next one probably by myself I really don’t care!! It’s a welcome escape from reality Ms B A few years ago people were bitching on here about how shit the books were. It seemed like most of them were just jumping on the bandwagon and slagging it off so they'd look cool- like on this thread. So I read the books so I could decide for myself. I think the books/ films are brilliant. They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is. I'm going tomorrow night and I can't wait!! " I totally agree with you carrot lady ! We’re going together Sunday night and are really looking forward to it | |||
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"I just wish I'd written the books " so does e l James. They're bad in every way; unoriginal, semi literate at best and shot through with examples of consent violations. And that's long before I get started on the tired trope of grey as somehow being a dom because he's damaged by his childhood. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... I’m here Love it, yes books were badly written but I still enjoyed them, loved the films and will see the next one probably by myself I really don’t care!! It’s a welcome escape from reality Ms B A few years ago people were bitching on here about how shit the books were. It seemed like most of them were just jumping on the bandwagon and slagging it off so they'd look cool- like on this thread. So I read the books so I could decide for myself. I think the books/ films are brilliant. They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is. I'm going tomorrow night and I can't wait!! I totally agree with you carrot lady ! We’re going together Sunday night and are really looking forward to it " It was brilliant!! I never finished reading the 3rd book so it was really good as I didn't know what was going to happen. Totally consensual all the way through. He owned her but she also owned him. People think he was the bad guy but they fixed each other. She became feisty and strong because of him. | |||
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"I just wish I'd written the books Write a new one. Let's face it, it wouldn't take much doing. Just write about some non-consensual bdsm/sex set to a background of the toys of the stupidly wealthy. Have you read the books? It is consensual. The books aren't literary masterpieces, I agree. Hence why I said have a go. I like that she's made a fucking fortune from it all. Good for her. " No they aren't - she never signs his contract - BDSMers have been going on about it for ages. He manipulates her into doing things she doesn't want to. It is oft said that if it were set in a trailer park, it would be a horror film. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " Me Rebecca loved the books and the film | |||
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" Totally consensual all the way through. He owned her but she also owned him. People think he was the bad guy but they fixed each other. She became feisty and strong because of him. " I have not see it (them) but I think I will now and I understand from a friend that was precisely it... She became strong because of him and they fixed each other. | |||
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" Totally consensual all the way through. He owned her but she also owned him. People think he was the bad guy but they fixed each other. She became feisty and strong because of him. I have not see it (them) but I think I will now and I understand from a friend that was precisely it... She became strong because of him and they fixed each other. " The last thing he says to her is brilliant. I might even go see it again. | |||
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"I might write a book about an abusive possessive millionaire see if it does as well, in my view the whole thing has given bdsm a bad name, because people think it's a fucking documentary. And it's totally un original, even the name was ripped off from secretary, Edward E Grey, the only Mr Grey worthy of holding a whip " Totally agree with you here | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " Has no correlation to item being bad or good. More to do with a void in a market and exploitation of those with little imagination and literary appreciation. One can sell anything if it's advertised correctly to a certain target group. Whether good or not. | |||
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"It's a nice love storie but did think it was too hyped up on the bdsm side as i thought it was too tame compared to other good books I have read in the passed ." I heard it's more psychological abuse and manipulation, rather than any 'love' story from a lady friend. | |||
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"Not me... Crap films... Seen better acted sensuality and sex in my Granny's front room " So if you haven't seen it how can you comment on the acting? | |||
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"Im definetly not going to see the film. I read a very small part of the first book because the women i work with were going crazy over it. I found it dreadful, badly written and uninteresting. My workmates sex lives/lives in general must be seriously bad if they really enjoyed the books/films. I think its considered fashionable to appear to enjoy the books/films. Thankfully im not fashionable lol." Same here. So badly written it hurt my head!! Gave up after a couple of dozen pages. Most of the people I know who like them are very vanilla, married, kids & it gives them a fantasy to indulge in without indulging. I get more than enough excitement to not need the additional ‘fantasy escape’ from it! But if we were all the same, it’d be a dull world!! | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " They’re now on Fab lmao | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... " Mr Blobby made it to Christmas Number 1. I rest my case | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... They’re now on Fab lmao " Ace | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... Mr Blobby made it to Christmas Number 1. I rest my case " | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... Has no correlation to item being bad or good. More to do with a void in a market and exploitation of those with little imagination and literary appreciation. One can sell anything if it's advertised correctly to a certain target group. Whether good or not." I think you have a point there - there was a void and it fills that void at least for some. I think it has the achieved that people even in the vanilla world outside Fabs talk about BDMS more openly - that is good in my opinion. | |||
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"What surprises me is the sheer number of people dismissing the books and the films... but they were a tremendous success. So where are all the guys and girls who did read/ watch/ enjoy and made the success possible - just a thought... Has no correlation to item being bad or good. More to do with a void in a market and exploitation of those with little imagination and literary appreciation. One can sell anything if it's advertised correctly to a certain target group. Whether good or not.I think you have a point there - there was a void and it fills that void at least for some. I think it has the achieved that people even in the vanilla world outside Fabs talk about BDMS more openly - that is good in my opinion." Very valid and think awoke the dark side in some to explore and pursue further.... | |||
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"What concerns me in this thread are those who are calling this story a love story. Really? He gets he her d*unk, pushes her past her comfort zones, stalks her, in short he is an abusive narcissist. "She becomes feisty because of him" what else was she going to do? I can hardly see the franchise doing as well if it ended with Anastasia ending up needing counselling or taking her own life. She repeatedly thinks Christian will change, a foolish possibly even deadly mistake. People like this DO NOT change for the better. If you're gut instinct says something is wrong. Trust it. For those who are interested there is a lengthier breakdown at the end of my profile." But apparently if it's a wealthy, well dressed guy who is the abuser, it's just "spicy".... | |||
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"They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is." The vast majority of BDSM practitioners I've spoken to are adamant that 'trying it like it's in the books' is the LAST thing that you should be doing. FSOG is written by someone whose knowledge of BDSM is based on little more than two-bit bodice-ripper novels, cheap porno flicks and horror fanfics... As people have already said, Christian is possibly the WORST literary model for BDSM practice. He breaks virtually every single rule going with respect to consent...he's basically using BDSM as a lampshade for abusive practices... Rather than 'mainstreaming' BDSM, the FSOG franchise has encouraged people to experiment with BDSM without giving ANY thought whatever to ANY established safety protocols, and reinforced the stereotypical view of BDSM as a violent, dangerous, mysogynist and abusive subculture. Moreover, it's flooded BDSM-related sites with poorly-informed newbies who think that they're experts on the subject just because they've read the books and seen the movies... | |||
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"Do yourself a favour, go read some Anais Nin Maybe start with Delta of Venus or Little Birds " Are you addressing me? Just that your post immediately follows mine, but it's not directed at anyone specifically... | |||
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"A general recommendation to anyone with an interest in erotic fiction Jersey Person. " Well, as an amateur erotic author myself, I'll certainly take a look... Are they particularly BDSM-heavy stories? | |||
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"What concerns me in this thread are those who are calling this story a love story. Really? He gets he her d*unk, pushes her past her comfort zones, stalks her, in short he is an abusive narcissist. "She becomes feisty because of him" what else was she going to do? I can hardly see the franchise doing as well if it ended with Anastasia ending up needing counselling or taking her own life. She repeatedly thinks Christian will change, a foolish possibly even deadly mistake. People like this DO NOT change for the better. If you're gut instinct says something is wrong. Trust it. For those who are interested there is a lengthier breakdown at the end of my profile. But apparently if it's a wealthy, well dressed guy who is the abuser, it's just "spicy"...." Agreed if a regular person did as Christian had, it would result in at very least them being escorted from the mothers home, in the back of a police car. E L James did naff all research into the world of BDSM leading to a misrepresentation. If she had done this to a religion or race they'd have sued her. People seem to be getting off on the whole spanking part and the fact its apparently erotic fiction, glossing over the fighting and stalking part. He openly admits to having had "a rough start in life" as if this is his validation to belittle and abuse others. The first film has about 20 mins of sex in it out of a two hour film. - I dunno about you but I'd be flipping disappointed if that was all he had to offer. | |||
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"Not me... Crap films... Seen better acted sensuality and sex in my Granny's front room " Last girlfriend bullied me to watch watch the first one. I lost interest after about five minutes and flicked through it, stopped watching it cause it was that bad. Secretary was a way better film. | |||
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"They gave many women 'an excuse' to be sexual- they could say "oh let's try this like the books", without admitting they really wanted to themselves. The bdsm stuff is all consensual. It's a mutual relationship- it's not perfect but who's relationship is. The vast majority of BDSM practitioners I've spoken to are adamant that 'trying it like it's in the books' is the LAST thing that you should be doing. FSOG is written by someone whose knowledge of BDSM is based on little more than two-bit bodice-ripper novels, cheap porno flicks and horror fanfics... As people have already said, Christian is possibly the WORST literary model for BDSM practice. He breaks virtually every single rule going with respect to consent...he's basically using BDSM as a lampshade for abusive practices... Rather than 'mainstreaming' BDSM, the FSOG franchise has encouraged people to experiment with BDSM without giving ANY thought whatever to ANY established safety protocols, and reinforced the stereotypical view of BDSM as a violent, dangerous, mysogynist and abusive subculture. Moreover, it's flooded BDSM-related sites with poorly-informed newbies who think that they're experts on the subject just because they've read the books and seen the movies..." BDSM for the elitists. No newbies allowed. | |||
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"E L James did naff all research into the world of BDSM leading to a misrepresentation. If she had done this to a religion or race they'd have sued her" Exactly my point. Admittedly, I've only been in the BDSM scene for about 3.5 years, but almost everyone I've spoken to regarding FSOG has said the same thing...it's about as genuine a portrayal of BDSM as John Wayne's films were an accurate portrayal of WWII... If you enjoy reading the books or watching the films, that's fine...but if you're going to use them as guidelines for 'real life' BDSM practice, I won't consider you to be a safe play-partner. If you want to learn about BDSM, talk to people in the scene, go to munches, go to clubs, attend events and presentations...DON'T rely on sensationalised Hollywood dramas that are designed for one thing only...MAKING MONEY | |||
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"BDSM for the elitists. No newbies allowed. " Where did I say 'no newbies allowed'? My complaint is not with 'newbies' in general. I was criticising a specific type of 'newbie'...the type who, having read FSOG and/or watched the movies, assume that they are experts in all aspects of BDSM and kink, and have no need to listen to more experienced members of the community, or learn about basic safety, consent, red flags, safewords, etc... | |||
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"BDSM for the elitists. No newbies allowed. Where did I say 'no newbies allowed'? My complaint is not with 'newbies' in general. I was criticising a specific type of 'newbie'...the type who, having read FSOG and/or watched the movies, assume that they are experts in all aspects of BDSM and kink, and have no need to listen to more experienced members of the community, or learn about basic safety, consent, red flags, safewords, etc... " Apologies then. Agree some are naïve. But no-one was born an expert. (He ignored her safe word and she fucked off. She defied him a few times but on purpose and enjoyed the 'consequences'.) Probably the same people that would watch Spiderman and think they can fly. | |||
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"What concerns me in this thread are those who are calling this story a love story. Really? He gets he her d*unk, pushes her past her comfort zones, stalks her, in short he is an abusive narcissist. "She becomes feisty because of him" what else was she going to do? I can hardly see the franchise doing as well if it ended with Anastasia ending up needing counselling or taking her own life. She repeatedly thinks Christian will change, a foolish possibly even deadly mistake. People like this DO NOT change for the better. If you're gut instinct says something is wrong. Trust it. For those who are interested there is a lengthier breakdown at the end of my profile." Hi Madison, Just read your profile, your analysis is spot on. I'd go further and call Christian Grey a malignant narcissist. | |||
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"E L James did naff all research into the world of BDSM leading to a misrepresentation. If she had done this to a religion or race they'd have sued her. Exactly my point. Admittedly, I've only been in the BDSM scene for about 3.5 years, but almost everyone I've spoken to regarding FSOG has said the same thing...it's about as genuine a portrayal of BDSM as John Wayne's films were an accurate portrayal of WWII... If you enjoy reading the books or watching the films, that's fine...but if you're going to use them as guidelines for 'real life' BDSM practice, I won't consider you to be a safe play-partner. If you want to learn about BDSM, talk to people in the scene, go to munches, go to clubs, attend events and presentations...DON'T rely on sensationalised Hollywood dramas that are designed for one thing only...MAKING MONEY" I think the analogy of not using 50 shades to wipe my derriere on sums up my thoughts. | |||
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"What concerns me in this thread are those who are calling this story a love story. Really? He gets he her d*unk, pushes her past her comfort zones, stalks her, in short he is an abusive narcissist. "She becomes feisty because of him" what else was she going to do? I can hardly see the franchise doing as well if it ended with Anastasia ending up needing counselling or taking her own life. She repeatedly thinks Christian will change, a foolish possibly even deadly mistake. People like this DO NOT change for the better. If you're gut instinct says something is wrong. Trust it. For those who are interested there is a lengthier breakdown at the end of my profile." Which of the books did you read? | |||
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"What concerns me in this thread are those who are calling this story a love story. Really? He gets he her d*unk, pushes her past her comfort zones, stalks her, in short he is an abusive narcissist. "She becomes feisty because of him" what else was she going to do? I can hardly see the franchise doing as well if it ended with Anastasia ending up needing counselling or taking her own life. She repeatedly thinks Christian will change, a foolish possibly even deadly mistake. People like this DO NOT change for the better. If you're gut instinct says something is wrong. Trust it. For those who are interested there is a lengthier breakdown at the end of my profile. Hi Madison, Just read your profile, your analysis is spot on. I'd go further and call Christian Grey a malignant narcissist. " | |||
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"Actually, I suppose that FSOG is a love story - the love that humanity has for money. Christian is fabulously wealthy and has clearly had to suppress many human traits to accumulate his wealth. Anastasia's struggle is how far she is willing to abandon her sense of self to gain access to Christian's money. The car is the perfect metaphor." You really think she wanted his cash? That's not how I saw it at all. I saw a film where she fell for a guy, he happened to have money. She dumped him because he was a dick, then he decided to stop being such a nob and they got married. Not exactly Mills and Boon but watchable just for the fact people can change if they find the right person, if they love them enough. But what do I know... he could possibly go back to being a nob again and she's divorced him and is claiming half his cash (not a spoiler alert...in my imagination ) P x | |||
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"I saw a film where she fell for a guy, he happened to have money. She dumped him because he was a dick, then he decided to stop being such a nob and they got married." Our boy Christian hasn't seen Eddie Murphy RAW has he? Oh shit! Christian, you married her, you friggin bellend! That pussy best be worth it, son. Is it really worth $500m. You'll be waking up in cold sweats like Eddie, screaming half, half arrrgh! EL James should write new book 50 shades rinsed! Anastasia seen you coming, lad! You're gonna loose at least half of your shit in the divorce court and with your narcissistic lack of self awareness, you wont even know whats going on. Hasn't Chris got any mates? Saying mate, don't marry her, she's a gold digging bint, she only wants you for your money. No pussy is worth $500m, No Pussy! He sounds like an absolute mug, he gets what he deserves. | |||
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"I saw a film where she fell for a guy, he happened to have money. She dumped him because he was a dick, then he decided to stop being such a nob and they got married. Our boy Christian hasn't seen Eddie Murphy RAW has he? Oh shit! Christian, you married her, you friggin bellend! That pussy best be worth it, son. Is it really worth $500m. You'll be waking up in cold sweats like Eddie, screaming half, half arrrgh! EL James should write new book 50 shades rinsed! Anastasia seen you coming, lad! You're gonna loose at least half of your shit in the divorce court and with your narcissistic lack of self awareness, you wont even know whats going on. Hasn't Chris got any mates? Saying mate, don't marry her, she's a gold digging bint, she only wants you for your money. No pussy is worth $500m, No Pussy! He sounds like an absolute mug, he gets what he deserves." You do know this doesn't actually happen don't you? | |||
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"EL James should write new book 50 shades rinsed! You do know this doesn't actually happen don't you? " Yeah, just giving EL a massive hint. Chris has lost all his bad boy credentials by buying Anastasia a ring. 50 shades pussywhipped could be pretty funny. | |||
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"Can I just say something.. it's just a film. It's not real and if it normalises BDSM (in any way shape or form, even if it is done badly which we all know to be true ) then it can only be a good thing. Plus you can't deny Jamie Dornan is worth the watch alone P x " Hey, if I walk home from the pub and find a single shoe in the street and it happens to fit me, I do not necessarily assume that I will be rescued by a prince from my sad lonely life, do I? I can understand why the genuine BDSM followers may not be so happy with the book/ film and I can also see why the newcomers find it fascinating. For me (and as I say I have not read the books or seen any of the films yet) it is just a way of allowing a topic to be discussed rather than it being looked and frowned upon as "not healthy" or "abnormal". That's all really. | |||
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"Can I just say something.. it's just a film. It's not real and if it normalises BDSM (in any way shape or form, even if it is done badly which we all know to be true ) then it can only be a good thing. Plus you can't deny Jamie Dornan is worth the watch alone P x Hey, if I walk home from the pub and find a single shoe in the street and it happens to fit me, I do not necessarily assume that I will be rescued by a prince from my sad lonely life, do I? I can understand why the genuine BDSM followers may not be so happy with the book/ film and I can also see why the newcomers find it fascinating. For me (and as I say I have not read the books or seen any of the films yet) it is just a way of allowing a topic to be discussed rather than it being looked and frowned upon as "not healthy" or "abnormal". That's all really. " Oh I agree totally. It's not what BDSM is about but you're right, if it means it's talked about in a more positive way instead of hidden away then thumbs up to it. | |||
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"EL James should write new book.... 50 shades pussywhipped could be pretty funny." "Topping from the bottom...*smiles*... I can live with that. The End | |||
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"Give it a week and Fab will be filled with new members... I'll be your Mr Grey etc etc " Precisely...and how many of them will have done even the slightest bit of research into BDSM? The majority will likely be desperate blokes who think that all you need to do to be a Dom or Master is go to Ann Summers or Love Honey and buy a 'Bondage Starter Pack'... Cue a storm of 'where are all the horny bitches at?' and 'why is it so hard to find a sub slut?' forum posts... | |||
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"Give it a week and Fab will be filled with new members... I'll be your Mr Grey etc etc Precisely...and how many of them will have done even the slightest bit of research into BDSM? The majority will likely be desperate blokes who think that all you need to do to be a Dom or Master is go to Ann Summers or Love Honey and buy a 'Bondage Starter Pack'... Cue a storm of 'where are all the horny bitches at?' and 'why is it so hard to find a sub slut?' forum posts... " It happened last time when 50 Shades first came out... | |||
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"It happened last time when 50 Shades first came out..." I've seen girls on other sites asking if guys will be Christian Grey when the first film came out a few years ago. So anytime a film or book like that comes out, you will get all kinds of people joining and/or changing profiles, to fit the current dating/sexual zeitgeist. | |||
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